So You Think - Prince Of Wales's Stakes 2011

[@Souljah2008]

This is still one of my favourite races to watch. It was a very exciting time if you were from the Southern Hemisphere and loved horse racing that's for sure with our pin up horse along with Black Caviar in the form of the mighty So You Think being purchased by Coolmore and racing in Europe. It was a awesome performance from Rewilding in this race and such a shame that he broke down and had to be sadly put to sleep in his next start in the King George & Queen Elizabeth Stakes as he was a very very high class individual in his own right.

[@JodyForbes]

It was a great race and a great call but there's some context that went missing in regard to this race. The winning jockey was heavily fined for his use of the whip and the winning horse broke down and was put down when produced for the same type of effort at his next start. This race was run in 2011 and Al Zahrooni was nabbed in 2013. The race at the very least deserves an asterisk.

[@BetterInFull]

RIP Rewilding. Great race that I won't forget. It's tough when horses who are at their peak pass on. I was looking forward to seeing Rewilding at Le Arc. In another lifetime perhaps.

[@justinnicklas4712]

Yeah this was a legendary race

[@joyreising540]

Poor Rewilding, I was heartbroken when I heard about his demise. I'd just watched a video of him with his trainer and he was so funny. RIP to the gorgeous horse and well done in winning this race.

[@angebonanno85]

Love so you think I was sad when he left Australia

[@MrDraven37]

LMFAO!!!!! Thank you. No seriously. That was the funniest thing I have read all year. You really should consider doing stand up as a career!

[@darrenjames3415]

After this race So you think retired His trainer said I apologize for how I trained him I muffed up and only today did him justice Bart was too good for me Unreal

[@JodyForbes]

SYT never retired after this races. Not even close...

[@mackemlad888]

My favourite race ever. And commentator Jim McGrath's finest hour.

[@adsonjetson]

So you think looses, but, breaks the heart of another contender!

[@bgardiner2000]

I think you've summed it up pretty well Soul. No horse in living memory has been set the racing schedule that SYT was. 10F turf in Ireland, 12F in the Arc (turf), 10F Champion Stakes 2 weeks later, 10F (dirt) in the BC, 10F (AW) in the World Cup. They could have gone to great lengths to protect his record as they did with STS. I think it was overly abitious. Nonetheless, he deserves a top tier legacy. Against STS... would have come down to race tempo alone as to who would come out on top IMO.

[@evileaten]

dettori you beast.

[@wavepattern]

SYT has won TEN G1 races: 5 in Oz, 5 in Europe!!! Some ppl r still knocking him??? Those fillies will faint in excitement when they see him; he may well be the best looking Stallion u will ever see - seriously

[@queserasera1257]

thx a million :)

[@nkfootball1]

Ryan Moore well done you stuffed up

[@bgardiner2000]

@FIST2k8 BTW... I hear salt goes well with granny's hat. As would a good chianti.

[@goodfella30]

wow what a race!

[@Spursrule1969]

@SoulSurvivor79 Firstly The POW used to be a Group 2 race, I think it changed when Dubai Millennium won in 2000, First Island ran a 2.02.76 and he was very much a Group 2 horse. He was getting beat anywhere between 3-6Lengths by Bosra Sham and Halling, I dont remmeber his rating but it would have been around 120. Running fast times isn't really a guide to a horses talent. Because each year the going can be different. I can certainly remember it raining at Ascot most years.

[@Grifiki]

"Every GP1 Thoroughbred can run 4fl in 46 seconds, but only the guy in the saddle can decide, and divide the fractions!"

[@christopherborg1017]

I was there!

[@justinnicklas4712]

I hate Frankie but this race was iconic with the Godolphin silks... so you think was seriously an overrated one in the end and it’s a shame that the winner didn’t do so much

[@Souljah2008]

Dream on! So You Think was champion and 10 time group one winner. I digress, it's your writing skills that are overrated.

[@Naffluke]

Black Caviar is heaps good, she beat We're Gunna Rock (struggles in Listed races - which in Australia is like a C3 in the UK as there are so many Group and Listed races up for grabs) by a length. That's such good form. Watch out for Bated Breath!!!

[@taykyl001]

@MrSmid888 Oh really, not on Facebook, will b.

[@MrDraven37]

Awwwwwww is the poor baby upset? There, there.

[@paulw38aus]

crime of the century

[@bgardiner3354]

I see Chris Waller is making the trip to the UK to speak to Aiden O'Brien to get some insight into training Adelaide. It's a shame AO didn't afford Bart Cummings the same courtesy when he took over So You Think.

[@taykyl001]

@GBeret83 LOL he is facing the sister. How cute.

[@Spursrule1969]

@seftonise Thrashed Workforce? What race was you watching????

[@postcardterry]

Congratulations to "His Majesty" ; Frankel, on the victories of his daughter ; Lady Frankel (Group Three) and his son ; Eminent (Group Two) yesterday in France. Eminent`s race was only worth 280,000 USD !

[@bgardiner2000]

@Katabatic77 I tend to agree. I do think that RM might have gone a tad early but hats off to the winner. The pair streeted the rest of the field. I think Balleydoyle will learn a lot from that run. SYT is a gross horse that needs a lot of work and he looked a lot heavier than he did even in the Tat's GC. But Rewilding did win on merit. It was a super run in a race that was run perfectly to suit him.

[@potatoncarrots]

Shocking ride by Moore,SYT should have won comfortably

[@bgardiner3354]

I think the tactics that Coolmore employed in general we're pretty average. Anyone with any clue could have seen SYT's career to that point and seen that his strength was his turn of foot of a reasonable pace. The tactics here bought Rewilding, a true 12f horse, right into the race. It's a huge shame that Rewilding never got the opportunity to frank this form.

[@terryeggett1]

There may have been worse riding performance last year in a Group1 but I doubt it. The Aussies should be proud of So You Think an exemplary racehorse who has graced the European scene.

[@BalmainBucko]

@dynamodel..beatable mouse? how many U.K horses have won 4 group1's in the last year? not many but SYT has, I wouldn't say he was hopeless didn't do as good as he should but he would be rated in the top 10 in the U.K...and AOB has said this prep will be his best.

[@patali09]

come home so you think, so you can stop losing my cash

[@wraynes]

Two great horses going hammer and tongs. Agree syt isn't a stayer he's a nailed on miler and doesn't need a pacemaker. Didn't Frankie get the best out of Rewilding though, brilliant ride.

[@emmelby]

@SvendBosanvovski Exactly mate. I've seen similar things happen in harness racing, in cases where the leading horse is the favourite, and team driving leads to one horse being pummeled in order to thrash the legs out of the favourite. Personally, I think it's disgraceful, and it does nothing but bring shame to the sport. Team driving/riding that includes the use of sacrificial horses is not something I will ever condone.

[@daeuri]

I understand your point, but it seems to me that if jockeys can be blamed for poor rides (Just as Frankie was in the Breeders Cup Classic 1998), they can also take credit for good rides. We can never know if Rewilding would have won this race if someone else had been riding him. Frankie has won three Arcs, three Dubai World Cups, and multiple Breeders Cups. I think he is allowed to take some of the credit.

[@myfrobert]

SYT came back and managed to win this one 12 months later. And, of course, the winner, Rewilding, had a very tragic ending in the King George VI Stakes the next month. BTW, the title of this video should be corrected to the eventuall winner Rewilding instead of So You Think, since the latter was not the winner here.

[@Spursrule1969]

Just been looking at the new ratings, I notice that rather than using Rewilding and Sri Putra's previous ratings which say they ran to their exact ratings in The POW, They have chosen to use SYT (126) as the guide and therefore had to upgrade Rewilding (127 +6) and Sri Putra (116 +3) I have to disagree, Whats the most likely scenario, Both Rewilding running career bests or SYT rating being slighty wrong, It's not easy evaluating form in 2 continents.

[@garycody1929]

"The Aussie Superstar" Please So You Think is a New Zealand Entire.

[@JodyForbes]

That nobody in NZ was smart enough to or could afford to own...

[@emmelby]

I thought Rewilding put in a great effort to win this, he's obviously class, although it's interesting to note the whip use. I was surprised not only by just how big SYT looked before the race, but also by the tactics used. I hate ANY race with a bunny in it, that's a shit thing to do to any horse and I have no time for it. SYT wasted more energy pulling than he would've if he'd been given a touch more rein. Here was a prime opportunity to win a G1 at a classic meet and it was blown.

[@joshuadoherty6704]

I guess St Nic, under his right conditions was better than I believed. As by my previous comment I said Gentildonna would win! Still I've always maintained on good going, traveling left handed he is a class horse!

[@joshuadoherty6704]

I've seen Sea the Stars though.

[@Spursrule1969]

@drofheim Finally someone who finally talks common sense, Rewilding bt Sri Putra 6L & a Neck, SYT bt him 5L and 1/2L, exactly how is this a better performance? Thought the race panned out how most of us thought, Hoping SYT goes for the King George, My money will be on Workforce.

[@joshuadoherty6704]

My thoughts would be it's no surprise. For a start, Orfevre was the best horse in the race secondly the race was a farce anyway. Thirdly, St Nic has never won right handed and it's well known he hates heavy ground. He was a good way below form that day. It was also his 6th or 7th run of the season. So it was hardly surprising. We may get a better indication of his form on Saturday evening I guess though I still expect Gentildonna to win.

[@tst8720]

I think with hindsight they thought they had an all time great leading into this and rode him to gap them. Unfortunately, the confidence of Moore cost him a soft win and 6th NH group 1.

[@dynamodel]

I do have a factual basis for my arguement it is this, so you think was by far the best middle distance horse to come out of australia for a long time yet when he came to Europe to run in our top races he didn't fare so well, by the way rewilding won by a neck not a nose as you wrongly stated, he finished 6th in the breeders cup and 4th in the arc . on the other hand average European gp1 performers like vintage crop, media puzzle and americain go to australias prem race the melbourne cup and win

[@AbsolutelyEverybody1]

SYT still better then Rewinding despite running 2nd in this race.

[@bgardiner2000]

@FIST2k8 I hate to gloat... but I really feel like it. Although hats off to Workforce. He's definitely the best horse SYT has beaten... to date. But this definitely demonstrates how disastrous the tactics were that Balleydoyle employed in the POW. Maybe it's Workforce who couldn't handle the pressure of Group 1 racing?

[@benclarke7763]

It's still hard to critice Ryan Moore, since the horse was 3rd in the Melbourne Cup, I am pretty sure most of us would have thought he would have stayed.

[@NoNoGhost]

+Ben Clarke He didn't get the Melbourne Cup distance, class got him to 3rd

[@bgardiner3354]

+NoNo Ghost I thought he got the distance fine considering he'd never run beyond 10F previously. He was expecting to go out and run 12's out of the gate and when they went 13.5's he pulled a fair bit. As an older horse he'd have gotten 2 miles easily. You can't though relate one to the other as Ben Clarke has. He was all out in this race from the 3. No doubt he was a genuine 10F horse who was a sitting duck for a horse who had had a colder run. I don't think it was a poor ride but not thought through tactically.

[@Spursrule1969]

Should have said both Rewilding and Sri Putra running career bests. cont. But i think you should use the European horses as a guide and fit SYT's rating into them, But they seem to have said, No lets use SYT rating and adjust the others????

[@drofheim]

@88badbilly at 3:10pm there will be no excuses for So You Think if he loses.

[@AussieGozie]

Ryan Moore what were you doing....how could you loose on a Champion like So You Think. Maybe too confident......

[@dynamodel]

the long and short of is syt and black caviar are good horses racing against inferior opposition in australia. when syt came over to europe he was supposed to be this unbeatable monster based on his australian form but turned into a beatable mouse in europe. im pretty sure the same thing will happen to bc.

[@tigerarmyrule]

Frankie's record speaks for itself and he is unarguably a top class judge of pace. My point was not about his skills as a jockey which are questioned only by disgruntled punters occasionally but rather the vulgar "me me meism" seen in the pointing. It is not a major flaw or a big deal but I would rather see less of it.

[@Spursrule1969]

@SvendBosanvovski I don't really see how you can say the race was set up for WF, He had everything against him, Trip too short, Going too fast, Small field, Had to lead from the 4 furlong pole (800M) [if you look at WF Derby and Arc wins he came from well off the pace, However it was the only way to beat SYT]. Despite those problems he was only btn 1/2L, I wonder what would happen over 12f on good-soft going?

[@ilyem]

I thought it was a poor ride by Jockey Ryan Moore. The horse has had a problem settling in the past and this time was no different you could see him pulling all the way to the corner. Jockey Moore should have held him and been more patient. But he rode him without cover the whole way. As soon as they hit the turn he was given full bore - the race was already being run at a strong tempo - so it was set up for a swooper. Jockey Dettori rated his mount perfectly by contrast.

[@WolfCreekCity]

@LVogt100 He knows how to whip them. That's all

[@taykyl001]

@academy333 mmm ok i will try. Horses have the tap, thats all they need. Some horses need a fraction,then more beyond that, no need if they dont respond. They wont look at a good horse from Phar Lap days he didnt like the whip, & he let u knew about it. My fav of horse is Phar Lap, well looked how he helped people through the 29 depression. Anyway I go SYT only with my heart. A OBRIEN again he if looses u are to blame. HE shouldnt loose the race.

[@emmelby]

@FIST2k8 Jan Vermeer was not a pacemaker, he was a sacrificial bunny. The two are not the same. A pacemaker is run much closer to the field, and not 7 or 8 lengths out in front, going at breakneck speed and walking the final two furlongs . This sort of "tactic" is cynical at best and is not permitted in NZ or Australia. If he'd been a genuine pacemaker, and given a chance in the race, fine. It still doesn't change the fact that the riding tactics were hopeless.

[@tdunster2011]

he was never the same horse after Bart Cummings stopped training him. Had Bart looked after him in Europe he would have been a much better horse. I still wouldn't back him to beat Frankel over a mile though - But over 2400m and beyond he'd have Frankel well and truly covered.

[@bgardiner3354]

Hi mate - as per my comments on another thread my opinion is that both your points above are speculative. Aiden was no chump, and his exploits as a conditioner of gallopers is well known. What I would be more interested in his how the different styles of conditioning compare. As a generalisation our middle distance horses find it difficult with the European way of racing. But there are so many variables it's hard to just pick out how they are trained. It's an interesting concept. As for the v Frankel over 12+F, SYT proved himself capable. Again, my opinion is that Frankel would have been just as good over 12 as he was over 10 and SYT probably didn't stand a chance. In fact, I think SYT's best chance of beating Frankel would have been over a shorter trip like 7F, again, using his Australian form as a guide.

[@tdunster2011]

Aidan O'Brien has even apologised for how poorly So You Think performed due to the training and tactics he chose for the horse. www.news.com.au/sport/superracing/so-you-think-wins-prince-of-waless-stakes/news-story/b7d15b48fbf7075a2f57bb8052a159eb. If Frankel could run a solid mile and a half it's hard to understand why they didn't set him to win the Arc. But with the money involved with these stallions their careers are always going to be brief as they make a lot more money at stud than they ever could at the race track. As race fans it's a little sad because we all miss out on seeing these horse being tested.

[@bgardiner3354]

I think Aiden was very good at following the script of John Magnier. Remember his "we've never seen his like before" comment about SYT, then Camelot, then Australia... Perhaps there was some truth to it... but I still think he needed European conditioning to be successful in Europe at 2000m. They don't race their horses toward their peak like we do, so they will tend to do different work at home to have them ready to run their selected distance. I would have loved to have seen Frankel take on the Arc. I don't understand either why they missed it... They were probably protecting his unbeaten record. I don't think the 2012 Arc field was exactly stellar with some big names withdrawn. But in a race like that with a big field the margin for error is far less than a 10F race in the UK with a small field and a pacemaker in place.

[@postcardterry]

Aidan does it every year. Fastnet tipped Caravaggio to everyone last month because "Aidan said he was the fastest ever in the Oz paper" ! What a muppet - the odds on fav finished fourth and Fastnet`s dough went the same way it usually does !

[@myfrobert]

@@bgardiner3354 Not only because of the protection to Frankel's unbeaten record. I think the reason why Frankel didn't run in the Arc was that the distance of the race was too long for him, which also showed why he didn't run in the Derby. Besides, Frankel's trainer's health was in rapid decline, which made him unable to send the horse too far away from home to run in a completely unfamiliar field. BTW, are those pacemakers in those UK races not allowed in Australia?

[@111yogi111]

get in dere !!!!!!!!!!!! ye boys stick 2 ur sprinting leave the good races 2 us

[@AbsolutelyEverybody1]

Harsh

[@joshuadoherty6704]

We're going to have to agree to disagree. Sea the Stars is an all time great and he done it all at 3 unbeaten, no excuses, he won it all and under every circumstance just done enough everytime. I've seen absolutely nothing from So You Think to suggest he'd beat Sea the Stars.

[@dynamodel]

thats why europe has the best horses by far they can go to australia america anywhere and win the big prizes when has an american or aus horses won the arc never and i cant remember many even trying.

[@Spursrule1969]

Looks like SYT will not take WF on in the KG, AOB says he will either go for the Irish Champion, Juddmonte International or have a break and maybe go for a 3rd Cox's Plate. Looks like they want to stick to 10 furlongs. Of course we would accuse them of running scared over 12f.

[@joshuadoherty6704]

It was 2 in England and 3 in Ireland. One of the Group 1's in England he beat Carlton house into second by 2 lengths. Carlton House has never gone more than winning a group 3. Two of the 3 in Ireland were the Tattersalls Gold Cup. Arguably the weakest Group 1 in Europe. The Eclipse and Irish Champion Stakes were impressive though. He beat Workforce, an Arc and Derby winner, although the distance may not have been ideal for Workforce. But he also beat Snow Fairy, who is a classy mare to be fair!

[@ThomasWaters91]

@MrSmid888 Spot on and it makes me sick

[@aviloteshvara931]

Alguien en español por aquí

[@bgardiner2000]

@FIST2k8 There's a big difference between having a pacemaker to ensure a good pace and the break-neck speed that Jan Vermeer went at. They went within half a second of the track record for 10F at Ascot. SYT's greatest commodity is his ability to run sub 33's for the last 3F off a fair clip. You can tell by the way he drops them off at the top of the straight. A real Group 1 race? Like he's never faced one before? It was a absurd tactic poorly executed.

[@MrSmid888]

Horse Racing Chat on Facebook,check it out.

[@MrDraven37]

There, there.. it's ok. After BC has ripped your horses to shreds, you can lay back and think of England and think of your glory days when you used to matter. It must be tough, to have once been this great Empire and have it all crumble away and become irrelevant to the world.

[@drofheim]

@SvendBosanvovski Sri Putra was still the same distance away from So You Think, so there is a case that So You Think wouldn't have reversed the form with Rewilding even though he beat Workforce here, Workforce and Rewillding take each other on at Ascot in 3 week.

[@whodouthinkuare]

alrite folks. frankie dettori picks up a nine day ban for excessive use of the whip. apparently he used it over 20 times. now can someone say he would have won the race if he had used his whip 10 times. clearly not as this horse had to be flogged to get his head in front. conversly if a jockey who wins a race and later gets a ban for whatever reason; should they not lose the race. im not saying frankie should have been stripped of the race

[@Jord850827]

at the race prince of wales stakes

[@dynamodel]

Oh the mighty black caviar, I remember the oz homies were going on the exact same way about syt. wont be beaten, will desroy all before him etc. didn't happen, he was put back in his box and sent home with his tail between his legs.I am not saying black caviar isn't a very good sprinter she clearly is exceptional in oz.she probably will win at ascot but I would put that down to a weak field of sprinters. I would love her to take on frankel over 7f and see what happens.

[@Spursrule1969]

@SoulSurvivor79 SYT over-rated? Maybe, Maybe not! I just dont think anything he has done in Europe justifies a 126 rating, The best horse he has ran against beat him and Rewilding only has a 121 rating. Yeah maybe it's not the best ride but he had every chance and the constant hyping up isn't doing his reputation any favours. The suggestion that Rewilding and Sri Putra have improved when they run to within 1lb is annoying too. That was Rewilding's 1st run in 3 months and Sri Putra is consistent.

[@joshuadoherty6704]

I'm agreeing he was a class act, but disagreeing he was capable of being an all time great. I think.... I can't remember mate lol

[@drofheim]

@SvendBosanvovski he beat the horse in this race, no need for all those smacks he gave, think youre allowed nine then its a ban and he hit it 24 times.

[@MrSmid888]

Wouldnt of won with the new whip rule in the U.K.

[@MrDraven37]

At least in the DJ you won't need to utilize that quaint custom of a pacemaker... none of the B grade UK sprinters are going to be able to even keep pace with Black Caviar...

[@joshuadoherty562]

Take away the fact he was so dark for a minute with So You Think. Sea the Stars in his build was the perfect racehorse. As for So You Think beating him on the track...hahahahahahahahahahahaha! That's possibly the funniest thing I've heard all week! You're joking right? Sea the Stars would have Obliterated So You Think at ANY distance. The thought of Sea The Stars getting beaten by the likes of Rewilding and Cirrus Des Aigles is absolutely laughable! He won 6 consecutive group 1's in 6 months...

[@jodyforbes674]

against absolute rubbish

[@Spursrule1969]

@SoulSurvivor79 I agree with you that is was a poor ride. But how much SYT would improve for a better ride is open for debate, I though coming around the turn he would go on to win 4/5 lenghts, However comparing it to the 86' Derby is just utter nonsense, Dancing Brave wasn't given a chance to win, SYT HAD every chance but got OUT-BATTLED. As for STS, He was the most over-rated horse i'be seen in 25 years of watching horse-racing. It's interesting you put SYT up with him.

[@LVogt100]

@WolfCreekCity Ah okay, i think he knows how to ride race horses. That's why he won. What have you ever done?

[@Spursrule1969]

@bgardiner2000 What are you on about? WF had everything against him and ran a cracking race, He just got beat by a better horse over 10 furlongs on fast going.

[@JuggaloDeano]

terrible tactics there. So You Think aint a stayer and does not need a pace maker. He needs to jump to the lead there, control the tempo and at around the 400m mark use his devastating turn of foot and nobody can run him down at WFA. Terrible tactics A. O'Brien.

[@jimmatty]

It's your statements re: Black Caviar that reveal your lack of knowledge. Hay List is the second highest rated sprinter in the world and she leaves him in her wake every time. Get ready to eat some humble pie mate

[@dynamodel]

what makes you think I have little knowledge of horse racing. just because somebody doesn't agree with your point of view doesn't mean they don't have any knowledge of the subject. this is the typical childish reply you get from someone who is a fan of a horse they thought was the best thing since sliced bread only to find out they were badly mistaken. Grow up and take your medicine because you will have to take more when black caviar gets whooped by the euro sprinters.

[@WolfCreekCity]

I HATE Frankie Dettori!!! It seems like everyone watching this video is BLIND!! He whipped that horse 27 times over the last 200 meters!! Luckily he he wasn't aloud to race for the next 11 days after doing so. I'll say it again, I HATE him!!

[@Spursrule1969]

@SoulSurvivor79 Stop making excuses, The horse lost fair and square! According to the riders @ballydole, "SYT is the best horse they've ever ridden" Bearing in mind they've had some pretty good horses there, I find it hard to believe that they now claim he wasn't fit. PLEASE!! Of course they are gonna have to say that, Bearing in mind how much they paid for him, Not exactly gonna say he's a donkey are they? His stud value will drop big time if he doesn't win the Eclipse.

[@joshuadoherty562]

if you are going to compare So You Think with a horse perhaps Fantastic Light would be a fair comparison, who was a very good horse. But never in a million years is he even close to Sea The Stars. That in itself is absolutely laughable.

[@Flatzee1]

Dato Tan Chin Nam.... You robbed Australian racing and the Australian people of a great horse

[@dynamodel]

I dont need to be bored with it again. Im not german so what they did doesn't represent me.that other point you made about australians deciding who they want to live in their country is luaghable what about the aborigines rights to decide who lived in their country back in the 16th century they had no choice the convicts sent there murdered them into submission and where are they now, in the worst parts of australia outcasts in their own country. its disgraceful australians out to be ashamed.

[@jimmatty]

SYT a beatable mouse?? That would have to make you a deplorable louse ;)) please refrain from commenting on a subject you appear to have little knowledge of. SYT only faced moderate opposition in Oz but BC makes world class sprinters look second-rate and will do the same at ascot.

[@tigerarmyrule]

Frankie old son it was the horse not you.....this kind of self congratulatory pointing to oneself in victory nay be OK to the soccer terrace yobs but has no place in racing.

[@joshuadoherty562]

...from a mile to a mile and a half on 6 different racetracks up a straight, left handed and right handed. He won 3 classics including the toughest race in the world (the arc)... (So You think managed 4th, Danedream was pulling away from him too so forget the bad ride crap, he wasn't good enough to win it anyway) and he obliterated far stronger fields than So You Think has been beaten by. How the HELL is So You Think better than Sea The Stars. Sea the Stars was a country mile better than him!

[@postcardterry]

So You Think - One of the best looking horses I have ever seen but way way overrated as a racehorse !

[@59bulldogman]

+postcardterry Who by? So he fluked all those races?

[@postcardterry]

By everyone who was involved with him and by me too! No one said he fluked every race you dramatist !!! SYT was well bred yes, good looking yes, superstar ?? no miles behind Frankel ! He wouldn`t have beaten Farhh by much and that horse was beaten seven and six by Frankel. So You Think was overrated! To balance the argument, I have copied and pasted Farhh`s run against So You Think - SkySports" Started very slowly, not much room on inside well over 1f out, stayed on inside final furlong, closing on 2nd near finish and "Racing Post "Reared as stalls opened and slowly away, dropped in behind, headway on inner 2f out, not clear run over 1f out until inside final furlong, good headway and switched left inside final furlong, going on strongly at finish" and Irishracing.com" started very slowly, not much room on inside well over 1f out, stayed on inside final furlong, closing on 2nd near finish" Is everybody wrong except you !

[@bgardiner2000]

+postcardterry What a complete load of nonsense. You could rewrite both of the race notes as "had a soft run and finished with a wet sail when it was all over." How many times have you seen a horse do no work and then flash home? So You Think on the other hand worked early, held a forward position, cantered to the front under a hold and was hardly ridden out to win. So You Think was up to the best European middle distance horses in most years. In the sanitised environment of European Group 1 racing he'd have not been able to live with Frankel over 10F. I'm not sure who you think he was overrated by? Coolmore? Gee you talk some shite.

[@postcardterry]

+bgardiner2000 Not my view only Gardiner ! It is a view held by all the writers except one from memory. Your ego is so fragile that you failed to check with everyone in the media. Would you like me to upload them and then will you give me a winner after the race again. I would really like one before (for the tenth time )! Don`t answer, I will upload them this week especially for you.

[@postcardterry]

+bgardiner2000 SkySports" Started very slowly, not much room on inside well over 1f out, stayed on inside final furlong, closing on 2nd near finish and "Racing Post "Reared as stalls opened and slowly away, dropped in behind, headway on inner 2f out, not clear run over 1f out until inside final furlong, good headway and switched left inside final furlong, going on strongly at finish" and Irishracing.com" started very slowly, not much room on inside well over 1f out, stayed on inside final furlong, closing on 2nd near finish"