"Affirmative Action: Race and Class"

[@maha9890]

As someone living on the other side of the world with very different systems and historical contexts to the US, i find these discussions incredibly interesting and eye opening. Thanks for allowing us to join your classroom from the comfort of our homes. 👍

[@warfossil]

Everyone needs to take the same test. If you pass, you're accepted. If you fail, you're disqualified. Simple as that. Lowering standards is the problem. It's a privilege, not an entitlement.

[@turangatohiariki3042]

Si why couldn't coloniser's ask to share knowledge for land's instead of taking them & putting CERTAIN PEOPLE in certain place's BECAUSE OF COLOUR

[@garyjohnson8327]

As long as their is the same resources and opportunity to prepare

[@CaptainW1nky]

@@turangatohiariki3042 it's 2024, everyone has access to the internet where you can find the knowledge to any subject you wish. Google land ownership since that seems to be an interest to you. Lot's of land in the US all over for cheap... you do have to do a lot of work though to the cheap land to make it worth something. Been cutting down trees for a few years now on a cheap piece of property I bought.

[@gillmsnfillman1691]

Where is your proof that different races were given different tests?

[@turangatohiariki3042]

@@gillmsnfillman1691 Acceptance

[@deezJ155]

Love it, had a female commander stand up in a briefing during the early 90s and told us we need to recruit more minorities. The Hispanic gentleman in the back said have you looked up the make up of the state? Leadership pushing nonsense.

[@psychbomb7543]

A female commander. What a joke.🤦🏼‍♂️

[@babyqueenxo]

Wow, in the 90s?!!! 😳Was she white? I thought you aren't supposed to speak over your superior in the military. I'm genuinely interested to know more though😇

[@gwenrichard7507]

I listened to how my grandparents suffered. Rape, cancer, poverty, war, more poverty, child abuse, dead beat dad, unemployment... My parents, drug abuse, poverty, unemployment, fatherless × 2. I'm white. I'm thankful each generation improved on the last. I'm not a victim, and I don't need to hate people to feel better about myself.

[@CaliMeatWagon]

Such privilege.

[@jefftaylor529]

I agree with Fmr Justice Scalia (RIP) on affirmative action, in that it has served its purpose but can easily be extended unfairly.

[@trohlack5150]

We need like a national effort to like minimize the use of the word like.

[@ziyu8061]

it actually makes non-native speakers speak more fluently

[@catherinemori4496]

No……it just sounds ignorant

[@Flipvan]

That word was starting to become irritating. Typically it’s used when someone is conveying more opinion/emotion than fact. A lot of factless opinions going on in this classroom. But hey, I guess that’s the whole point of these videos and this class…….

[@catherinemori4496]

@@Flipvanyou are being unfair to this class! Anyhow, I really detest “but like”. When my student used that I told them that’s how my cat says hello……

[@Eldot5]

Disparity must always exist. The guy in the middle got it spot on when he said, “In order to be rich people, there’s gonna be poor people. In order to be someone that’s good, there’s gonna have to be someone that’s bad. There will always have to be some kind of contrast.” This is real life talk. And we have to accept and affirm this as a general premise in the context of such discussions. EDIT: And the problem with affirmative action is that it starts with the erroneous premise that disparity must be removed because it always results in unfair inequality.

[@babyqueenxo]

Affirmative action benefits rich blk/african students anyway. May be he should do the critical thinking and accept it's not helping disenfranchised communities but rather is a cover up for legacy.

[@ybmharry]

I recently had a conversation with my students about the affirmative action. This is a super great lecture always. Shout out to Sam!

[@KBLTragic]

I love this professor I like his enthusiasm to talk about things and get other people’s views on them. In the one video where he was talking about the mandarin word that sounds like the other word I like how he got 2 people to sit down and talk about it together see this is what we need just get together and have a conversation about things we don’t fully understand about other peoples religion culture etc. communication is important to learn about each other so we can understand each other and live together in harmony.

[@annel5511]

What happened to the use of merit, rather than race or background

[@lokimsjrrd3451]

Can you name a moment in US history when the merit of black people was taken fairly? The reason affirmative action was introduced was because the population continued to unfairly discriminate against black people regardless of the civil rights bill and regardless of their merit.

[@NotMyFault2]

@@lokimsjrrd3451For the last 40 to 50 years, the merit of black people has been taken seriously in the US. You either just don't like the fact that things haven't worked out the way you wanted them to, or you have an inflated sense of what "black people's merit" really is. Also, stop looking at individuals through the prism of immutable group characteristics. Just because someone does something bad or good does not then mean it is attributed to an entire race of people.

[@michaelbufford8994]

What about people with intellectual disabilities

[@theBear89451]

An IQ of 71 makes life incredibly hard, but not intellectually disabled. What do we do with all those people?

[@babyqueenxo]

Ableism is one of the worst forms of discrimination. If people had a heart, they'd be focusing more resources on it rather than skin color :/

[@Shadow-sm8hs]

Very good question, no one ever talks about it.

[@norie_mess]

Thank you for commenting this!! Disability laws and polices need to be revisited

[@SymGenie]

Affirmative action is the laziest way of attempting to solve against historical disadvantages. It goes against the ideal of being judged by your merit and not immutable characteristics. In addition, it cannot undo harmful cultural norms in certain communities. I have been encouraged to not try by mostly people that look like me while people that are supposedly racist against me have encouraged and helped me the most to achieve success. Affirmative action supports this nihilistic thought process of "I am not good enough so I need help" you cannot succeed with that pessimist lic mind set.

[@steve19811]

Great points....

[@zzztek]

having a society that bases anything on what may or may not have happened to your grandparents or great-grandparents seems "backward". I remember growing up, not having the ability to do many items those around me were able to do. We did not have the money or the resources.

[@garyjohnson8327]

Is it illegal to mention Indigenous people in sociological discussions in America?

[@raftguy1376]

Only in about 2-3% of discussions, proportional to their representation. (Kidding)

[@neeltjebooysen2688]

I have got two things in mind when we talk about aa. And I have sympathy with people struggling. The first one is easy come easy go and the second one I strongly believe in is the law of the jungle,: the strongest must survive.

[@zzztek]

What I never heard brought up: The societal norm dictates so much more to a person's upbringing than history (an argument can be made, that history brought the societal norm). If you live in a society where you are living in section-8 housing, you might look at your parents and ask them "wtf"?

[@finback2005]

Why was there not an Asian student speaking on the stage.

[@Shadow-sm8hs]

Huge point being missed. You can come from wealthy parents or poor parents, neither guarantees or precludes success. Instilling ethics and life lessons is more important than money. On the other hand, if you come from drug addicted parents, alcoholics or even criminal parents, you do have a crappy shot.

[@kristineknoll7841]

I also wonder how much the ability to obtain generational wealth has been impacted by the increased divorce rate generally and the decreased marriage rates in the black communities since Johnson instituted the Great Society plan, which sadly disincentivsed marriage in lower socioeconomic families.

[@willcarr1]

I’m going to go back to college and take his class when my generational wealth arrives… don’t retire any time soon!

[@bp3445]

I think affirmative action has a place, though with time, the justification of it gets blurry and diminishes. Universities should just focus on a combination of tests and something to quantify the potential to succeed if potential students don't have the test scores (ive heard many argue thats what an admissions essay is for, a nice gray area). Something to level the playing field if life really throws a curve ball... idk, complicated and no one solution will fit all.

[@kristineknoll7841]

I think that getting in somewhere is getting a job somewhere that uses affirmative action leaves the question in your mind "Did i get in because i earned it or because i checked a box?" That can't feel good

[@biounam2011]

OMG the way the peruvian speak!!! like, speak english is a privilege. He does not know nothing regarding social inequality

[@TheIntrovert83]

LEGACY LEGACY LEGACY..

[@chrislieu6757]

It's funny how people weren't this upset about legacy until affirmative action went away. It's almost like affirmative action was providing cover for legacy. Now that affirmative action is gone, legacy will also go away.

[@Rob-me8vp]

The difference is legacy provided money to the university, but affirmative action does not. Not to say that is just, but that’s the reason.

[@TheIntrovert83]

@@Rob-me8vp Yeah and Legacy gave a lot of Dumb kids with no experience degrees.

[@chrislieu6757]

@@TheIntrovert83 so did affirmative action.

[@TheIntrovert83]

@@chrislieu6757 I could care less about affirmative action. If you look at the stats it helps mostly white women. I got into college without affirmative action. My state got rid of it in 1996.

[@psychbomb7543]

Your performance is everything.

[@geraldm4728]

You cannot benefit one without penalizing another.

[@jimmylindmark7972]

I mean people talk about people working hard but to be fair it's a diffrence between working hard and "working hard" and being frugal saying that everyone puts in the same amount of effort to give there children a chance. Especially when there is Asian parent working 996 and eating nuddles every day never touching meat just too make sure there children have a chance to go to university. Thats just some crazy lvl of dedication and taking an extra work just so you can send you children to extra night school I have seen nothing like that in white, black or latino culture. So just brushing the parents struggles of with everyone is working hard is not really fair because there is a very large diffrence of what some people think is working hard and other people think is working hard.

[@JonJones-pz9kb]

I missed the part where thats my problem?

[@joeross6523]

So is benefiting because your great great grandparents are the same complextion as some people that were slaves nepotism?

[@CaliMeatWagon]

I feel like hte guest speaker kept contradicting himself and was just saying stuff to back up his position.

[@alh8268]

What about how affirmative action help provide a university with wider variety of perspectives. Also, the poor white person also gets affirmative action.

[@turangatohiariki3042]

What about the unaccepted people put in certain place's since colonisation

[@Rob-me8vp]

Every community has been colonized at one time or another if you go back far enough in history.

[@chrislieu6757]

Poor white people do not get affirmative action, certainly not to the same degree that a wealthy black applicant does. Affirmative action as it was practiced only cared about skin color so you ended up with a lot of wealthy blacks or immigrant blacks and a relatively small number of poor descendants of slaves.

[@RockStock6]

You cant fight racism with racism

[@deezJ155]

Government never solves problems, only causes them. The government isn't your savior. I'm with the government, I'm here to help.

[@chrislieu6757]

Government is stopping private discrimination in college applications. It took them 50 years but better late than never.

[@darrellschleif6688]

Feel you are wrong about Asians being adversely effected in admissions. As best I could decipher from the Penn State web page, Asians made up 13.3% of those students admitted as first year students on the University Park campus. According to the US Census, Asians alone or in combination make up 4.6% of the total population of Pennsylvania. Blacks or African Americans alone or in combination make up 12.7% of the population of Pennsylvania, but only 10% of admits. Perhaps the issue is income.

[@Rob-me8vp]

The issue isn’t percent that a race makes up of the given population it’s how many people of that race are qualified. In that case Asians are underrepresented.

[@Cosmo1093]

Asians disproportionately apply to the top universities, so that 13.3% would likely be even higher if not for the "Asian quota". Many of the top non-Ivy universities are between 25-40% Asian, like MIT, Stanford, CalTech, Berkeley, Rice, etc. Also: the racial achievement gap transcends income. According to The College Board's numbers, Asian-Americans are outscoring their peers on the SAT at every income level. Rich Asians have higher average scores than their equally-rich White/Hispanic/Black peers (in that order), and poor Asians have higher average scores than their equally-poor peers. I would say it's a cultural issue.

[@babyqueenxo]

Co relation /= causation.

[@Asunder4]

It's sad to see my young black men be so uneducated!

[@drwalka10]

seriously depressing

[@martypatterson7382]

I like, think these kids like, should like, think like about maybe like, I dont know, like learn some like, new words. You like, know what I like, mean?

[@howtomoderate]

Very interesting that the black guest says there was white affermative acrion. I paused the video and didna bit of research. All i could find in this subject that isnt coming from a bias media source is college admissions. And again if this is his example then this goes back to social class. When a majority race in a country is white and a majority of wealth is had by whites then this woild be obvious that whites can pay to get into colleges. He did not give an example though so i am not sure of where he was going with this. All I see is someone tap dancing around knowing affirmative action is horrible legislation

[@michaelnance5236]

Asian student prove that hard work simply allows you to run circles around others. The idea that you can not work hard is simply silly.

[@RePete_Jackson]

Or, maybe there are more blacks in public housing because, generally, there are many more single parent families in the black population.

[@use1kcf]

Knowing someone is part of the job game - quit whining.

[@RobdeKlerk-qg6lc]

Structural victimhood

[@turangatohiariki3042]

Victimhood lower classed unaccepted people

[@archieletsyouknow5508]

💯💯💯🤔 if you were taking a trip on a plane would you want your pilot hired on affirmative action or being the best qualified😂😂 shame on you America

[@jeffmcleod3829]

Why are you assuming that those two things are mutually exclusive?

[@archieletsyouknow5508]

@@jeffmcleod3829 💯🤔 if your perspective wants to turn a blind I to the truth you have that right. Little do you know about woke mentality is it flying in America no more

[@rd9337]

Its all BS! If you want to get ahead in life, you make the correct decisions.

[@davechapman9133]

all of these kids need to remove the word "like" from their vocabulary

[@4850937]

Most of the slavery seems to be going on now.

[@chrislieu6757]

What exactly is going on now that is comparable to the enslaement of black people in america?

[@chrislieu6757]

Illusion of meritocracy? WTF!!!

[@willydiesel2081]

It's weird to see the young black guy on the right sitting and bragging about his middle class upper class upbringing and he still making excuses it's comical man it's comical

[@gillmsnfillman1691]

Why do rural Americans get to have affirmative action?

[@Rob-me8vp]

How is that?