Soft Lock Picking: Can Vaporeon Escape a Glitched Ocean?

Is it really possible to softlock yourself in the middle of Gen 3's ocean?
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[@GGreenHeart]

One way to make this worse: Vaporeon at Level 99. If you calculate out roughly how much XP each Vaporeon would earn before they KO'd themselves, you could set it so they'll level up before they finish struggling. This would not only add an extra bit of time with each "You gained 10 XP!" text box, but also the tiniest amount of HP you gain from leveling up would feel really spiteful.

[@CLOYO]

"Hmmmm, devilish plan Seymour"

[@charliecharliewhiskey9403]

Tut tut, no no no, Vaporeon is worst at level 69. At level 69, you would never escape because Vaporeon would be keeping you far too busy. This is because they're the most compatible Pokemon for humans. Not only are they in the field egg group, which is mostly comprised of mammals, Vaporeon are an average 3 foot 3 inches tall and 63.9 lbs. No other pokemon comes close to this level of compatibility and sheer power to make you never want to escape.

[@elijahpipkin4081]

@@charliecharliewhiskey9403 😂😂😂

[@HeroOfRhyme]

Hohohohoho delightfully devilish, Seymour!

[@user-zy3fm9cj8f]

This is brilliant but also think about if they all had the ability water absorb, which heals them whenever they get hit by a water move

[@johnpaulcross424]

Hey did you guys know that in terms of soft lock-picking content Pikasprey is one of the most consistent and enjoyable channels on KZbin?

[@MoondustManwise]

Oh thank gods i was hoping someone would make this reference so I wouldn't have to

[@archivelibrarian6818]

i dont get it

[@dylancastleberry2086]

@@archivelibrarian6818 the comment references the popular meme “hey guys did you know that in terms of male human and female pokemon breeding”, google it to read the whole thing

[@the10ofdiamondscard]

Become funny

[@velocityraptor6051]

idk about consistent, the last soft lock picking video was 6 months ago that said its great content so i dont mind

[@Super_Top_Secret_Area]

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Pikasprey were to lock himself in a safe and let himself be thrown deep into the ocean, just to gracefully escape 2 weeks later and describe how he used some overly complicated berry strategy to survive.

[@sideways5153]

“From inside the safe, the situation seems hopeless, but what if the ocean surrounding us was actually the key to our escape? If you collect the water leaking into the safe, you can sell the item for one cent through online marketplaces. Given enough time, you could raise the funds for your escape. How long would that take? 21.61 years.”

[@marioluigi27]

"Fortunately for me, the devs overlooked rusting"

[@twynb]

being thrown deep into the ocean in a thing you can't escape - this comment aged well lol

[@Super_Top_Secret_Area]

@@twynb What do you mean Team Aqua haven't returned from Seafloor Cavern?

[@nathoghazi5026]

@@Super_Top_Secret_Area The cave imploded instantly. They felt no pain.

[@gp42846]

Pikasprey: *Dies* Satan: Welcome to Hell, I’m a huge fan of your work

[@pandoratheclay]

Pikasprey would softlock satan into hell

[@marioluigi27]

The craziest thing about R/S/E is they NEVER thought someone might get stuck in Pacifidlog Town yet they had so many other failsafes

[@OhSayWhatIsTruth]

Gen 3 is the only gen to have a true softlock; at least Gen 1 has ways to escape if you trade.

[@ColgatetheTogekiss]

@@OhSayWhatIsTruthstuck with a low level fighting type with only rage vs lorelei

[@marshiboi2991]

Cause the town is that boring.

[@OhSayWhatIsTruth]

@@ColgatetheTogekiss As that video shows, you can still theoretically get out if rage misses all the time. It's still not a true softlock even with the astronomically low odds

[@TheGuyWhoIsSitting]

In Emerald you’re forced to get Surf. In Ruby and Sapphire it’s stupidly “optional”. In RS you can skip surf and white out to Dewford and get soft locked because Mr. Briney disappears after you beat the 5th gym.

[@LicensedToKill]

It won't add a lot of extra time, but if you used a Max Repel before saving, they would have to surf an extra 250 steps before being able to start a battle

[@LtheOriginal]

That's just petty insult added to injury. Like adding ice cream sprinkles ontop. I love it.

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

Add the black flute so that if they stay on the one route, they'll only get 50% of the encounter rate.

[@mr.cauliflower3536]

@@theapexsurvivor9538 [inert old black guy crying meme]

[@GalarianGuy]

I was just about to come down to the comments to say the same thing :')

[@devinplaysstuff2618]

@@LtheOriginalI suppose adding sprinkles on the screen of the console would make the process take longer, wouldn’t it?

[@ghetis396]

I wonder if having the Vaporeons be a couple levels under 100 would lengthen the lock or not. Your stats still ensure that you shouldn't die to anything but struggle, but now you also have to sit through the exp gain after every battle

[@salvatore_slate]

facts

[@lurkerlp]

You could do this with Quagsire which also resists poison moves.

[@shanoc5902]

@@lurkerlp While you could, it's also important to remember this is Gen 3 before Struggle's recoil was based off of your maximum HP, instead the recoil is half of the damage you dealt. This is much faster than the occasional poison sting already. Since this is direct damage, Vaporeon is going to be better as it's 130 base HP (compared to Quagsire's base 95) is going to result in struggle taking much longer to kill you than reducing the damage of a move that's already doing much less damage to you than struggle is.

[@krisalis_]

@@lurkerlp Oh god. I was thinking that it would end up being marginally slower, since the poison damage is low enough to not really change how long it takes you to die, but the HP going down would add up to seconds more. But if you resist poison, you'd have to deal with the "It's not very effective" text box every single time you get hit by a poison move...

[@ella-pc2gu]

@@shanoc5902 then why didn't he propose this with 6 blissey

[@MrZerodaim]

Only one Vaporeon needs to know Surf & Dive. You can let the other 5 know Growl and Baton Pass (learned as Eevee) instead, increasing the total PP to go through from 960 to a whopping 1400 (40 + 48 for 5 of the Vaporeons). Also, because Baton Pass forces a switch, that's extra menu to go through and you can't turn off the switch animation, which takes even more time :)

[@darkfiredragon3410]

Then whoever would have to deal with this could just overwrite the non-HM moves with the most PP with 0 PP Up Surf and Dive.

[@Sylocat]

@@darkfiredragon3410 True, though if each of the Vaporeon also knows Baton Pass, that would still make it an extra slog.

[@darkfiredragon3410]

@@Sylocat What extra slog is left if the trapped player can just erase both moves with the aforementioned HMs?

[@Sylocat]

​@@darkfiredragon3410 If a Vaporeon already knows Surf and Dive, it can't learn it again.

[@darkfiredragon3410]

@@Sylocat M8, the whole point of OP's comment was *not* teaching the HMs to the other 5 Vaporeon and replace them with the aforementioned moves; but this would just end up leaving the trapped player with the option of teaching said HMs over the two moves that have the most PP/are the most annoying to burn through. If your point was putting Baton Pass over, say, Tackle, at a certain point it becomes very easy to mechanically repeat a set of inputs, so the like 2 more seconds barely matter.

[@thorgidogofthunder]

i like that you named the vaporeon after the sound the trainer made when they realized their mistake

[@drowzypollinator640]

I may have missed it, but you could use the black flute to reduce Pokémon encounter rate. I believe it doesn't stop you from having encounters, but takes longer to encounter a Pokémon, until the next map transition, which is never. A small addition, if I didn't miss it, apply a max repel right before you hand the game over.

[@Patashu]

Big fan of someone who sees something take a horribly long time and goes 'well, we can make it take slightly longer with these optimizations'

[@TheEquestrianGallade]

Does moving between two routes count as a map transition? Because he’s travelling between Routes 129 and 130 in the video.

[@manbearpigsereal]

Give them all leppa berries too. Even if the victim is smart enough to check for items that's still additional time removing them.

[@sigma5902]

@@manbearpigsereal e Even better, leftovers

[@peguin5139]

Only one of the Pokemon needs surf, so for the rest, it can be replaced with another high pp move like tail whip to make this even longer

[@Gondarth]

The second I saw those Vaporeon, I thought to myself, "They have Water Absorb, don't they?" Yep, I know how these videos work at this point 🤣

[@yoshiwoollyworld]

They can only get water absorb in gen 3

[@NoAlarms2]

If I'm right, could you give them Leppa berries to make it longer

[@ryroller9394]

Only slightly, you would just remove the berries manually

[@Zeldrake]

Pikasprey's willingness not just to set these up and see what can be done _but then grind for seven hours to get out of it_ is legendary

[@SemiHypercube]

The Vaporeons aren't just named that to make it take more time. It also perfectly captures the feelings of the player trying to escape this situation nice video, every upload from this channel feels like a special event

[@travv88]

I imagine it sounds like the scream Rust characters used to make when they were injured and unable to walk. Look it up, it's hilariously messed up. look up: *SOUND BAIT* Rust Wounded Screaming

[@PointFear]

💀💀💀

[@ZorotheGallade]

Or named after when they googled their name

[@lucyinchat]

They're also not shiny to just take more time, too. Being shiny makes people ever so slightly want to get out of this soft lock more just to have the shinies.

[@rokkumanboidotapioykuinto2535]

Wouldn't it be amazing if you softlocked a pokemon game and then named all the pokemon things like: hurry, escape, help me, why, bleed and sacrifice then hand your friend the game and watch them be creeped out as you say "I got the game in that state".

[@Kirvyx]

Question, why not have the vaporeon be level 99 or 98 so the game adds one little text box of exp gained, it would add up overtime

[@axolofa]

This is actually kinda genius

[@johnbalkin8223]

Good idea.

[@tezcanaslan2877]

Also give all of them exp share for another textbox

[@lefthandedscout9923]

Actually back in this game it gave you a different text box for each xp share so it'd be 1 more text box per unfainted mon

[@Godoflegos]

@@tezcanaslan2877 Items don't really add all that much time. The assumptions are that the person is playing optimally, so each held item only adds the amount of time it takes to remove said item.

[@linkXness]

To be fair, in the context of this series, this is a very quick and easy escape!

[@shanoc5902]

I noticed that Wingull has Supersonic and wondered about the viability of trying to use confusion to knock yourself out. Against a wingull this is a bad idea, every wingull on the routes available will know water-gun making parafusion strats incredibly risky (and it's probably better to just run if you get that 1% wailord encounter since it's guaranteed to have 2 water moves). Something that did however stick out to me is that Tentacool under level 25 and all Pellipers do not know a water attack. Most notable is the Pelliper, as it knows both supersonic and wing attack, the strongest hitting non-water move that an opponent can have here. This means that if you save Acid Armor to spam out against Pellipers not only do you have a chance for confusion damage to further lower your HP, but if you get Lucky one of the 35 wing attacks might get a crit against you to also help speed up. Though it's probably just better to go for a normal attack and hope they protect as to waste an attack PP without ending a battle, but it's still a fun thought to consider.

[@mr.cauliflower3536]

you'd have to get knocked out before using up all 64 acid armors while on +6 defense after just 3 of them. I don't think this would be quick, but I do think it'd be quicker than 1h. Also the enemy could just run out of moves and struggle lol

[@acters124]

cant you just swap pokemon constantly and not use the pp moves at all? making it possible to keep the wild pokemon alive?

[@mr.cauliflower3536]

@@acters124 that is an option, but I'm pretty sure all encounters have water moves

[@davidgretzschelcommunicati1630]

@@mr.cauliflower3536 no. Wild moves are the 4 most recent on the learnlist. So you always know what you get, if you see the level.

[@DavidFlrczk]

Releasing a soft lock with vaporeon on valentine's day. Nice touch

[@VEE_134]

What do you mean by this

[@egotrips4810]

@@VEE_134 it means, yes

[@PointFear]

@@egotrips4810 yes

[@PsychoVdude13x]

@@VEE_134 It probably has to do with the copypasta about Vaporeon being "the most compatible Pokémon for humans". Google it at your own risk.

[@protogen_boi]

if you know, you know. help.

[@UltraDumbass1782]

I cannot believe the level of perseverance that you have in this series. It is insane that you would sit there that entire time just to figure out these setups that would never happen in any capacity. All the respect in the world.

[@salt-emoji]

When I was a kid, circa 2007, I picked up a copy of silver from a local pawn shop, and it was soft locked with every legendary lvl 99

[@jebronlames987]

@@salt-emoji Max level is 100. Nice try.

[@taebeebee]

@@jebronlames987 it's possible he remembered wrong since some series have lv caps at 99

[@JustJustin.]

He could've used an assist tool, the same thing used for TASs.

[@serraramayfield9230]

@@JustJustin. Or just fried the save with a Gameshark

[@SuperPuddingCup]

I always feel like being trapped in this sort of situation would lead you to either be very fond of your team, or grow to absolutely hate them lol

[@Curious-on7ei]

these team compositions with 6 of the same pokemon all paralyzed are killing me every time 😂

[@pmy806]

I'ᴠᴇ ɢᴏᴛ sᴏᴍᴇᴛʜɪɴɢ sᴘᴇᴄɪᴀʟ ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜ 🎊 ᴛᴇʟᴇɢʀᴀᴍ ᴍᴇ ᴀʙᴏᴠᴇ...

[@fnln3011]

AAAAAAAAAA

[@BlackCover95]

For bonus points, activate a Max Repel beforehand.

[@calook1334]

It's funny that the reason videos take so long to come out from Pikasprey is because they genuinely take that long to record lmao Also this goes without saying but great video as per usual

[@zoeydotexe]

if you wanted to add a little more to the timer, you could give each vaporeon a leppa berry, which automatically restores a move with 0PP by 10. they might notice that each vaporeon has an item and remove all of them, but this would add a minute onto the time.

[@mweepbeep1128]

So this was the reason why you hadn't uploaded in so long! Worth it!

[@thelastchatha9688]

Posting a vaporeon video on valentines is a bold move

[@cuck1ngfunt]

He knows his demographic

[@mersilvaureus1525]

*Hey guys,*

[@Pesthuf]

Why is that? Are valentine's day and Vaporeon not compatible for some reason?

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

@@Pesthuf You could say they are... the most compatible.

[@snucco]

@@Pesthuf Who's goona tell him?

[@spicysquidink]

I love how the ocean is always the buggiest part of the games

[@atraxian5881]

It all stems from having HMs that need specific pokemon in the party. Took game freak a pretty long time to realize it wasn't a good gameplay and development mechanics.

[@Trithis2077]

IGN's 7.8/10 wasn't a slight. It was a warning.

[@RichConnerGMN]

nice pfp

[@mysticrainbowdragon]

Yeah, you’d expect it to be the forest Terrible joke I’m sorry

[@andressacco1002]

@@mysticrainbowdragon I genuinely laughed lol

[@PlaguewielderAlchemist]

Pikasprey is a trustworthy guy, he would never do anything bad to Vaporeon

[@magusperde365]

Yeah, what a prude

[@doodoofartman]

I don't like the fact there's a deleted reply here. I'm scared! *MOM-*

[@axe3854]

@@doodoofartman please I'm sorry just pick me up PLEASE

[@wezen89]

And there're six of them god forbid

[@standard-carrier-wo-chan]

Hey guys? Did you know that in terms of escaping horrifying softlock situations, Vaporeon is the most compatible?

[@BeatlesOasisFan]

Let me get this straight: you sat down for around 8 hours just to check how long would this take? That’s some serious dedication and an abundance of time!

[@chikenugets9165]

he more than likely timed how long it took for 1 to die and then multiplied that time by 6, also its literally his job to make these videos, i wouldnt refer to working a shift at home depot as an abundance of time. this is what he gets paid to do

[@Yamartim]

Emulators can speed up the geme my dude

[@martinpiekarski1512]

Big youtubers don't need to do 9-to-5, s yeah, they have quite a lot of time to spare.

[@martinpiekarski1512]

@@chikenugets9165 Nope, he said it clearly that he timed it UNTIL he was warped back to Pokemon Center. In other words, he had to black out, i.e. have all his 6 Vaporeon faint.

[@petelee2477]

Yeah it is insane. Personally I'd have just timed how long if took for one vaporian to get knocked out multiply it by 6 and call it a day.

[@D3X1K_AXYZ]

It wasn't until you brought up Vaporeon's ability that i realized just how evil this is. XD

[@kulrigalestout]

Yup, as soon as he mentioned that I busted out laughing!

[@PointFear]

@@kulrigalestout 💀

[@oddishthoughts]

Another!

[@D3X1K_AXYZ]

@@oddishthoughts lol, took me a moment to realize what you were talking about (I literally just woke up), but yes my pfp is Kouichi Sakakibara from Another. Absolute favorite anime.

[@LordButtersI]

This is the lockpicking lawyer, and today we're finding out WTF pikasprey has inflicted on Pokemon this time.

[@Showbizelephant]

I like the way you set this one up, walking people through the obvious ways to escape and removing each of those options instead of jumping straight into the full version of the softlock

[@ncorgan]

I imagine after so many “but what about this thing you already explained”, it becomes necessary. Even so, I see a couple of these here.

[@mini-_]

Hey guys did you know in terms of getting yourself softlocked in the middle of the ocean, Vaporeon is the most compatible Pokemon

[@asterism343]

Yes.

[@CurlyChop]

It's high health pool allows many poundings from other Pokémon without fainting, meaning hours of excruciating battles!

[@drdca8263]

ST•U

[@Aikisbest]

Nyehehe

[@internetguy7319]

You're not funny

[@magical86]

let it be known that these soft lock picking are my absolute favorite genre of video and i savor each and every one you make. complex logical puzzles + my favorite nostalgic video games? yes please!

[@fatcatfroggie]

It's always a good day when a soft lock picking video is uploaded. I absolutely love this series ❤

[@Forestxavier20]

Pikasprey Blue: VOD channel that gets uploaded to regularly Pikasprey Yellow: "HEY KIDS, WANNA SEE WHAT FRESH LAYER OF HELL I HAVE JUST CONSTRUCTED AND PUT MYSELF THROUGH?!"

[@HewleyxAngel]

Pilasprey my hat is as ever off to you, as someone interested in game dev it always fascinates me to see how simple minor edge cases can lead to absolute mayhem. A small oversight of ‘no one would ever end up in this scenario so why should I code a failsafe’ leads to ‘oh well this is a problem’. And as someone with a fondness for weird puzzles and escape rooms, this is some pure enrichment for me. Thank you for the video!

[@richa8855]

Weird thing to say, but today has been pretty awful for me. Really, really relaxing to watch something so peaceful and pointless. Thanks for your content man, great video as always.

[@FantasyJared]

Aww, I hope you get better Rich! Hang in there friend.

[@kinnikuboneman]

Lol

[@KingHarambe_RIP]

Hang in there buddy.

[@lronhayden]

Hope you’re better now

[@Elliasal]

You have no idea how much I love these soft lock picking videos, great work!

[@ConnorHalford]

Another great softlock. I think with many of these it may be even slower to be Level 99 or 98 instead of 100, so that you get experience points after defeating each wild Pokémon and maybe even a level up or two. I feel like the time for the Exp bar animations and additional text would more than make up for being very slightly easier to get knocked out due to having a couple fewer HP/Defense/Special Defense stats

[@MereMortem]

I think the other thing you slightly overlooked is that certain encounters at certain levels won't know any water moves, so it can be safe to use a bunch of PP or such against them.

[@mattress725]

ah feels like its been forever since ive seen a soft lock picking video. love these vids

[@Regiultima]

It would be better (in terms of making the softlock worse to escape) to have one Vaporeon with Surf and Dive for the mandatory field moves but give the rest Haze and Tail Whip for the additional PP they have over Surf and Dive.

[@R.P.Genocraft]

The player would still have the surf and dive HMs, they could just replace those moves.

[@YuuhiTheRed]

I think that'll make the escape a lot faster, though. Considering Haze and Tail Whip don't do damage, even if they have more PP, you can just spam those throughout just a few encounters. Meanwhile, Surf and Dive will probably one/two shot every wild Pokémon, forcing you to go through several more encounters and in turn making things take a whole lot longer

[@dm9910]

As another commenter suggested, something like Bite would be an improvement but non-damaging moves are not a good option for this. Forcing the lockpicker to KO stuff and find a new encounter is MUCH slower than merely having to use a few extra non-damaging moves within the same battle.

[@PlaceholderAlex]

I always celebrate when these videos are released. I can't possibly imagine how long it takes to come up with the ideas, and spending 8 hours escaping your own softlock sounds like hell. thank you for pushing through to make this content :)

[@Albolocxra29]

Amazing video! I know the pkmn soft lock videos are the most popular but your other series (megaman, castlevania, indie scary game, etc) are really entertaining too. Dont let them die❤

[@JosefPiano]

Yay! A new soft lock picking video!! Always love these!

[@SethTheSouthernWeirdo]

Fun to see a softlock with my favorite Pokemon. However, imagine the pain and suffering someone would endure of the Pokemon was even tankier, like Snorlax or Shuckle, AND had healing moves, like Recover or Softboiled.

[@calook1334]

ಠಿ_ಠ

[@thechoripankiller]

[ *VINE BOOM SFX* ]🤨🤨🤨🤨

[@-YELDAH]

UWU

[@thechoripankiller]

@@grindellion You're so fun!!!

[@mysticrainbowdragon]

I feel like vaporeon works better than other tanky Pokemon because of the extra annoyance of water absorb. Recovery moves will be exhausted before the main damage source that is struggle but water absorb is a problem during the struggle arc as well

[@chrismorris6865]

I love that you keep finding these. Well done!

[@deathstinger13]

Good to see another upload from ya, always look forward to them. You could probably extend the time slightly by giving every Vaporeon a -Atk+def nature and max def EV/IVs and 0 atk EV/IVs, since confusion damage is treated as a physical attack against yourself(hence why swagger's a thing). This would minimize the amount of extra self damage you could get off of everything knowing supersonic. Another option I think would be a different pokemon that has an ability that reduces or prevents encounters.

[@diogosantos8645]

i love watching these bizarre situations and imagining the pain someone would go through. great work.

[@Poohjennings41260]

Huge fan of your soft lock videos!! Keep up the great work!!

[@jonathanmalm1633]

My favorite KZbin series! Always enjoy the crazy stuff you do!

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Turning "are you able to escape" into "do you even want to escape"

[@Magmatic07]

You shouldve given 5 of the 6 Vaporeons Wish over dive so they could heal whatever chip damage the wild pokemon did, and also give the pokemon Cleanse Tags or Leftovers to reduce spawns and reverse the struggle damage when paralyzed respectively. Plus, both would make the pre-striggle grind way worse.

[@darkfiredragon3410]

20 seconds spent removing the items before doing any battling hardly makes a difference when it takes nearly 8 hours at minimum to escape; also Wish has *way* less PP than any of the moves Pikasprey gave to the 6 Vaporeon, you only actually get healed by it half the time since you can spam it and, unless you're dumb enough to leave Wish as your last move to drain PP from, said healing is minuscule compared to how much Water absorb screws you over in the long run.

[@-YELDAH]

Good to see you're still making videos, KZbin hasn't recommended them in a while despite being subscribed, I got some catching up to do lol

[@puddyslayer4458]

This might be my favorite series of videos on KZbin, absolutely love Pokémon you show such interesting things in a entertaining way

[@woofexe4050]

I always get so excited when I see one of the Softlock Picking videos! 💙

[@stargazer3003]

You could shorten the time to escape by teaching the Vaporeon Waterfall after the player is trapped. There’s no part in which you specifically avoided receiving the HM from Wallace (if its even possible to) and you can’t remove it from your bag so you could replace Tackle and save yourself a few hundred encounters. Not much but its something, once again great video. Love seeing ways to trap yourself in ridiculous obscure ways

[@0criticalHit]

Since the Kyogre/Groudon events only start occurring after beating the league we have to assume he has waterfall. On a similar note, Vaporeon can also learn rock smash. Replacing both non hm moves would reduce the total PP from a total of 160 to 70, but still you have to account for the fact that you can probably cast all PP for acid armor in a single encounter. Does it take more to kill 15 pokemon with an attacking move or to use acid armor 64 times?

[@stargazer3003]

@@0criticalHit Vaporeon didn’t get access to Rock Smash until Gen IV

[@acters124]

cant you just swap pokemon constantly and not use the pp moves at all? This way you don't use pp and your turn ends while each pokemon is getting hurt, until one is left shortening the amount of PP needed to use up to just one vaporeon?

[@darkfiredragon3410]

@@acters124 You'd have to entirely rely on wild pokémon damaging you then, which is not at all a reliable method because they can always use a Water move and heal you instead.

[@thekingbelow]

Funny thing about vaporeons is that they are also the most....

[@orpheustelos23]

cool :)

[@BagelDukes]

These videos always make my day, so thank you for taking your time to make these insane softlocks :)

[@thisismyaltaccount4195]

Steller video! Love your soft lock content. This one was definitely worth the wait. Cant wait to see more from you! Keep up the great work

[@pmy806]

I'ᴠᴇ ɢᴏᴛ sᴏᴍᴇᴛʜɪɴɢ sᴘᴇᴄɪᴀʟ ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜ 🎊 ᴛᴇʟᴇɢʀᴀᴍ ᴍᴇ ᴀʙᴏᴠᴇ...

[@benbriggsmusic]

One of the best series on KZbin period

[@guymcperson9300]

Cool. I think you could shave off a lot of time by replacing acid armor with Waterfall, as the player trying to get out of the lock though. That's about 300 moves across the team you can avoid. Unless you can get Waterfall outside of an HM on your way to post-game that is.

[@Meowzipan]

i didn’t even think about this. you can’t toss HMs! you could totally do this!

[@yoshiwoollyworld]

Wallace blocks the gym and gives you the waterfall hm. It’s absolutely not possible to skip picking that up.

[@buriedpet]

Great to see a new installment of this series!

[@BloodDripss]

another mind blowing video as always. dont know how you keep coming up with this stuff!

[@QwertyCaesar]

Could've taken longer. Have one Vaporeon learn Dive and Surf because it's necessary but have the five others know higher PP moves that do less or no damage. Something like Tail Whip as an example which IIRC would have 64 PP. Not only does it take longer for the obvious reason but it extends battles via Water Absorb. Opposing pokemon will end up using water moves to heal you. That in of itself doesn't necessarily matter since you won't be taking any damage that matters until you use struggle *but* it will cause an animation and text block for every time HP is gained. Tail Whip over Surf is an extra 38 PP you need to burn. That times five Vaporeon is 190. Multiply that by fifty percent 285. Between the added paralyzed turns and the enemy pokemon using a water attack 25%-50% of the time you should end up with at least a hundred additional instances of being healed and the text block informing you about Water Absorb popping up. That's not an enormous amount of time but that even a floor of one hundred times should add two minutes to the total runtime. This is just ballpark, I'm sure you could number crunch this. Edit: Also more PP means you'll be hit with confusion more often from Supersonic. It's pretty much impossible to take a swing at how long that could add to the run because it has three variables creating such a wide range - Supersonic has 55% accuracy, confusion lasts 2-5 turns, and confusion effects the Pokemon 50% of the time.

[@fortnitesexman]

"Tail Whip over Surf is an extra 38 PP you need to burn. That times five" why do you multiply it by 5 here? the next times 5 i get since there's 5 vaporeon, but i can't see what makes you use 5 times more pp here

[@R.P.Genocraft]

The player would still have the Surf and Dive HMs and could replace these moves. Then surf and dive wouldn't be pp maxed so it's strictly worse. Or well, better for the unfortunate soul who has to do this I suppose.

[@tdawgmaster1729]

You could just delete it for Surf/Dive, nullifying the extra PP

[@FantasyJared]

Upvoted for the Mizore Shirayuki PFP. XD

[@QwertyCaesar]

@@R.P.Genocraft You don't have to have the HMs items to use the moves in Emerald. The HM items themselves are technically optional.

[@TheTechnician27]

Hey guys, did you know that in terms of soft locking, Vaporeon is the most compatible...

[@rambosister6703]

No, mewtwo is

[@EtopiaCA]

@@rambosister6703 mewtwo thicc

[@theedgycorviknight]

I see what you did there....and do not approve.

[@ShadowNinetales]

​@@EtopiaCA No joke, I was watching Mewtwo Strikes Back at one point and my mum walked in and saw him and immediately commented on how big his butt is 😂

[@MrJoedog55]

😳

[@phyllojoe5346]

Ooo always happy to see a video from you! They are far between but that is because of the quality of the videos

[@SurrealKeenan]

I don't know if you'll see this, but I thought of a soft lock for gen 7 if you're interested. What you need is a trevenant with harvest, skill swap, and trick holding a leppa berry and another pokemon with role play, recycle, and ingrain (maybe smeargle?) also holding a leppa berry. 1. get rid of all your balls, pokedolls, and adrenaline orbs 2. put pokemon #2 in front of your party 3. find a wild smeargle 4. use recycle (teaching the wild smeargle recycle) 5. swap to trevanant and use trick to give wild smeargle a leppa berry 6. use skill swap to give wild smeargle harvest 7. swap to pokemon #2 and use ingrain Enjoy being stuck in a never ending battle

[@SirToastyToes]

Ruby and Sapphire lets you walk on water if you use the resurface trick on the entrance to the Seafloor Cavern There is also an island surrounded by currents west of Pacifidlog that has a walkable current tile on one edge. With the daycare and a mach bike you can rack up exp very quickly.

[@analoghabits9217]

I use this to hunt roamers by mach biking back & forth on the encounter tiles @ a route border, don't even need to check dex

[@roaringthunder8069]

Never clicked so fast

[@dhaoschaos6671]

Same asap

[@VonTachyon]

Saaaaame

[@lololordjr]

Perhaps

[@xman9354]

Of course you haven't. It's a vaporeon vid

[@littleman6707]

Same

[@Gatinois]

He has returned! I'm glad to see you around again, keep up the good work and I'm happy to be part of your community.

[@DrPotatoSkins]

Always glad to see a new Pikasprey video on my home page, certainly brightens up a dull day. I have a challenge for Pikasprey, since they're an expert on finding obscure ways to not play Pokemon anymore. What's the latest game that you could potentially softlock yourself in? Even better, what's the newest game you can softlock yourself in with a *_brand new softlock?_* Chances are that something like Scarlet/Violet or Sword/Shield can't be softlocked, but I'm curious to see just how late into the franchise you can still softlock yourself, and like I said, bonus points if it's a softlock we haven't seen before.

[@sekaihunter9378]

Hmm. Now that I'm starting to think seriously about this, getting stuck on some rocks surrounded by an endless ocean with 6 Vaporeons doesn't sound too bad. You don't have to worry about food or water, since your Vaporeon can capture food and turn salt water into drinkable water for you. Feeling like those little rocks are too small to live in? Just make a Vaporeon suck all those water elsewhere and voila, a big island resurfaced.

[@renakunisaki]

Also, Vaporeon is the most compati-

[@nicoborken9963]

Hey guys, did you know that in terms of survivability on a desert island with 6 of the same pokemon, Vaporeon is one of the best choices? Normally grave problems like food are no issue as Vaporeon, due to its fish-like body, can dive underwater for likely minutes at a time to grab weaker fish for food. Vaporeon also have a surprisingly strong filtration ability, which solves the problem of drinking water as they can filter the salt out of salt water. Even if you can't even find a place to sleep, since Vaporeon are obviously of the water type, they can move around water in the ocean, eventually turning small rocks into decent islands! Vaporeon are extremely helpful in survivability for both you and them and will keep coming back for more

[@MaxBurnHeart]

How the heck are you coming up with these new ideas? Kudos for you!

[@officialtjb246]

6:14 Trapped in the middle of nowhere, away from the rest of the world, alone with 6 Vaporeons? Perfect~

[@hangrypancake7011]

I love these videos, i’ve seen every one! A suggestion i have would be to replace surf on 5 of the vapeoreons with a move that has more PP, like helping hand.

[@sonicexe700NJ]

This soft lock is insane, I've been watching you for years and you've always found unique ways to ruin the save file. Thank you for the great content Pikasprey.

[@baddragonite]

Funny thing is, having worked on a romhack before of Emerald, it generally just treats dive spots as sort of "doors" that you activate with dive and take you to another "room" that being whatever section of map you're going to. So it makes me highly curious how that weird dive spots works to teleport you. My guess is it's likely a leftover bit of code where they were going to make that map area somewhat larger that got left in by accident.

[@brianphelps2415]

always excited when a new soft lock picking video comes out!

[@R0KURU]

Hey! I was just checking your channel about 24 hours ago to see if you had uploaded.. pleased to see this pop up on my feed today! :)

[@pmy806]

I'ᴠᴇ ɢᴏᴛ sᴏᴍᴇᴛʜɪɴɢ sᴘᴇᴄɪᴀʟ ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜ 🎊 ᴛᴇʟᴇɢʀᴀᴍ ᴍᴇ ᴀʙᴏᴠᴇ..

[@zachsusskind]

Oh how I love being an internet user

[@R.P.Genocraft]

Wouldn't it be faster to get KO'd than to faint to struggle though? In gen 3 Tentacool only learns a water move at level 25, so wouldn't it be faster to look for a low level Tentacool and let it chip you down?

[@pkmnfrk]

good luck not fainting the tentacools with your 150 PP of moves

[@renakunisaki]

Just get paralyze effect, get hit by Supersonic, and hit yourself every turn. That's how it always goes anyway.

[@acters124]

@@pkmnfrk cant you just swap pokemon constantly and not use the pp moves at all?

[@Chowder_T]

Great video! I did not know about the dive door oversight

[@ladygrima]

Thanks as always for making these I alway really enjoy watching them and learning these truly evil setups. Also my condolences for the unfortunate comment section on a video like this

[@komosobyplays]

You sir, are a sick, sadistic son of a Houndoom, and I for one, absolutely love it! I always get so excited to see your videos pop up in my feed!

[@seanpatterson5413]

I think there is one small problem with the move choices. Given that this is a post game encounter for cave 129 you would have access to waterfall as a HM. Therefore you should bring Waterfall as a move with max PP since they can learn Waterfall to replace Tackle or Acid Armor reducing the move from 64 (56) to 15 PP.

[@renakunisaki]

Are you required to get waterfall before this point?

[@lordofhyphens]

@@renakunisaki you would if it is required to reach the Elite 4.

[@acters124]

cant you just swap pokemon constantly and not use the pp moves at all? you'll end your turn and all the vaporeons are taking damage until one vaporeon is left, and already badly damaged?

[@raghavadoregowda2191]

@@acters124 Wow....what you said might be the gold needle in the haystack of comments. Is it possible that by constantly switching it'll speed it up? The thing is that you still have to deal with water absorb and probably some tentacools have the move wrap which can block switching out. But the time difference could be a little lesser

[@KirbyMario12345_939]

Another great softlock video! It also reminds me that I caught seven shiny Vaporeon in Violet (though five of those have since been traded away).

[@a_wooper3528]

Now imagine if no pokemon spawned in that sealed off area

[@calebbenedict5587]

This could be made even longer by replacing Dive and Surf on the other 5 Vaporeons with Tackle and Bite since they have higher PP which would force you to knock out more wild Pokémon and have to sit through the battle victory screen more.

[@Abyss_WaIker]

I was thinking that too, but Dive using 2 turns to attack would probably still take longer. For Surf tho, yeah replace it

[@TheUnovanZorua]

I know he probably hacked for the Vaporeons and he can probably hack to activate the glitch but did you forget how the glitch is done? I dunno what happens if you surf without surf but the best option is probably have only 1 learn surf and dive. Or just surf and using wall walk hacks.

[@darkfiredragon3410]

@@TheUnovanZorua OP literally said "on the other 5 Vaporeon".

[@Zobgo]

Eevee learns growl at level 16 and baton pass at level 36 in gen 3, both of which have 40 base PP (max 64, like acid armor), which would be even worse than that, especially since you'd be forced to switch out every time you use baton pass edit: I overlooked the battle victory screen part, that's a good point although the vaporeons in the video already have tackle, so maybe replacing surf and dive on the other 5 with bite and baton pass would be ideal

[@aidankocherhans9861]

Replacing surf would work, except for the fact you can still teach it to all your vaporeon, removing the bonus pp one of your moves had

[@EmeraldCrowz]

Did you know that in terms of softlocks, Vaporeon is the best candidate for being trapped? One commenter suggested leaving vaporeon at level 98 or 99 which is a good idea, as it would give you exp constantly which slows each encounter by a bit. My own idea is giving the vaporeons an item that causes issues. Leftovers are a good candidate, however I also suggest brightpowder. Even a suboptimal player will notice leftovers and take them off swiftly, they may be less likely to notice all enemies are missing more often then usual. In optimal playthroughs this will be negligable but any item they have to remove adds time. Final and best idea, as youve finished setting up the lock, start a max repel. This will add like 250 tiles before they can start grinding. EDIT: Someone pointed out this can get worse. Only one vaporeon needs to have surf and dive. If you give the other 5 worse moves like tail whip, it could take significantly longer. And because in emerald you can get the moves without actually owning the HMs, and surf and dive are not given to the player forcefully, they will not be able to use the HM to overwrite the vaporeons moves. This could easily add hours.

[@themasterofw4295]

Geeeeez stop the save file is already in shambles :).

[@Corundrom]

Actually tail whip isn't better, because it doesn't kill the opposing pokemon, you want something with a lot of pp but still doing damage, as even something like water gun is gonna ohko the weak wild pokemon, which forces you to search for a new encounter every pp

[@manbearpigsereal]

You don't want them to miss their water moves so brightpowder is out. I propose leppa berries since they're inconspicuous until it activates and has no drawbacks.

[@Emmariscobar]

"they may be less likely to notice all enemies are missing more often then usual" but wouldn't that make the vaporeons die faster? after all, you're lowering the chance of them getting healed by water-type attacks.

[@themasterofw4295]

@@Corundrom False swipe if vaporean learns it.

[@alphastring3619]

Great video as always Pikasprey

[@devonm042690]

I did some calculations not to figure out how long it's likely to take (too many variables), but the absolute minimum amount of time it would take assuming optimal conditions across the board. In this case, that means a random encounter with a level 30+ wild Pokémon every step, the paralysis never stopping Vaporeon from attacking, all uses of Supersonic by the enemy missing, no attacing moves used ever being critical hits, and no Water-type moves used by the enemy (except to top off Vaporeon's HP the same turn it uses up its last PP because I like predictable numbers and Vaporeon's max HP is a predictable number). I used the video timer to find out about how long it takes to start a battle under the above optimal condition, as well as how long it takes for a turn to play out when Vaporeon uses Acid Armor, Tackle, or Struggle. I extrapolated how long it would take for Surf and Dive to play out from there based on what I remember of the animations of those moves. Again keep in mind that this is the absolute minimum, regardless of realism, so I assumed that every turn the enemy got they would use a non-water attacking move. What I found was that even in the absolute best case scenario, miracle of miracles as laid out above and trusting the system enough to never stop to save, it would take more than 5 hours, almost 15 minutes more, to escape.

[@averagejoe7572]

I'm sorry but I refuse to believe that the video uploaded on Valentine's day also has a Vaporeon on the thumbnail is a coincidence.

[@jboi6196]

Do all the Vaporeon have to have surf and dive? or could those two moves be replaced with other moves to make it even longer? My reccommendation for the best moves to replace it with would be Dig (TM) and Baton Pass (learn as Eevee before evolving) as dig would take twice as long as other moves due to it being a 2-turn move, and baton pass forcing you to switch with another vaporeon while keeping the acid armor buffs

[@peteyboo]

Dig wouldn't work. While it would take longer to attack a Tentacool because of the super effective text, you could just waste all the PP against a single Wingull and not spend time searching for 15 more. Also, the Vaporeon all need to have Surf and Dive because you can't not have those HMs in your bag, so if any of them didn't have those moves, a smart player could teach them and save on PP. Baton Pass or Quick Attack might be better than Acid Armor though.

[@dialga5]

The man the myth the legend, pikasprey. You really went through all the effort to take a time on getting out of it too

[@xavierpironier59]

quality content as always, tyvm asprey and stay awesome :P

[@Wyvernstone]

Interestingly, it might be possible to have a Vaporeon faint much faster. If you encounter a level 30+ Tentacool, it will know wrap. If you switch in an untouched Vaporeon until it runs out of uses of Bubblebeam, if the Tentacool still has any uses of wrap left you can then have it take out a bunch of that Vaporeon's health with wrap. Hopefully fainting it, but possibly not. On repeating this process with the next high level Tentacool, once it wastes all its Bubblebeams against a full health Vaporeon, you would switch in the low-health Vaporeon to have it get taken out. While doing this whole grind it might be useful to keep one of the Vaporeon as a dedicated full HP Vaporeon to switch to when facing Wingull, Wailord, or any level 24+ Tentacool, since those are the enemies with water moves. Knowing that, and considering how long it would take to breed up even one Max IV Shiny Vaporeon for myself, I would probably try to break the softlock rather than reset.

[@mysticrainbowdragon]

I never knew vaporeon’s shiny looked that nice in gen 3, so much better than the current one

[@kinnikuboneman]

Looks the same

[@mysticrainbowdragon]

@@kinnikuboneman nowadays it’s more magenta whilst here it looks like a much softer pink. I will admit the changes are slightly less drastic than I was initially remembering

[@glitchtype]

I'm impressed that you sat for almost 8 hours trying to get those pink Vaporeon to faint. You know what that is? Dedication.

[@sharkeep4269]

This is so crazy, I was randomly wondering earlier today about this channel and when he will release a new video. Lo and behold, here it is.