"Solar Generators" aka Power Stations are kind of a scam... So I bought 2 of them.

[@HollisDoesStuff]

See my update to this video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3vdmYKnmM-qhac

[@OP-fd4lh]

You should look at the Licitti 1,000 Watt battery box which allows you to drop in your battery. It's not fancy but it is incredibly easy to troubleshoot, maintain and DIY if needed. It's not "melded" together like the major power stations. I used mine which has a 280 Ah Prismatic cell battery to fully use my traditional top mount fridge for 50+ hours but will only go 40 hours in the future. I think the key is to have multiple power sources.

[@How_To_Drive_a_TARDIS]

Would a gasoline generator technically be a chemical battery

[@Clo411]

I’m not sponsored at all and I use the EcoFlow delta series for my off grid cabin and it works flawlessly so far.

[@dustydawson8977]

​@vbvini If you think Ecoflow is good, lord help ya, all those high frequency units are garbage, do your own research and learn the difference between low and high frequency. Our grid is not high frequency, it's transformer based, low frequency,and for a reason, it can take high induction loads over and over,unaffected. But hey, maybe we've had it wrong since we started(not)

[@vbvini]

@@dustydawson8977 what would you recomend? Im really new to this

[@HollisDoesStuff]

I think if you're looking for a permanent non-portable solution, none of these power stations are the answer. You are better off with separate lifepo4 batteries, charge controller, inverter and panels... Which will be much cheaper and easier to replace a single component of you had to.

[@dustydawson8977]

@HollisDoesStuff what if there was a modular,infinitely expandable, no cables connecting unit to batteries, low frequency, 120v and 240v, all in 1 unit, built out of all steel construction, dual mppt controllers, dual wall chargers, can accept, lead acid, gel, and or lithium batteries, can charge from your car,solar,and the wall @ the same time, while running your equipment, that the heaviest component of the system isn't more than 40#, has the fastest UPS,and blue tooth control, can be portable or stationary. To good to be true right? LOL, nope! Just check out the Titans, from Point Zero Energy, and as Will Prouse, the solar guru said,if you think you can build ( DIY) your own of this quality, for the same price they sell for, you can't. Even the 12v outs on these units are 13.8v 20 and 30 amp. Even there old units have run 24hrs a day for 5 yrs and still trucking. And there a US company

[@juanr.3314]

The power stations are good as long as you understand its limitations. I have 2 deltas 2s, and one river pro as well as two gas generators.

[@daverichard1909]

I have a propane generator and 2 power stations. My two power stations are capable of running a 25 cu' ft. side-by-side, 3 small fridges and 2 small chest freezers for 6 hours. When the power stations get down to 30%, I power up the generator and charge the power stations and run all my appliances at the same time. This process takes approximately 3 hours to complete, then the generator is shut down until needed again.

[@kevinm234]

I spent months checking out all the whole home battery backup systems and decided on the Ecoflow. Ultra. It did have some shortcomings but over all it met my needs. I needed to do some rewiring in the house and panel box and installed a disconnect panel. The most disappointing aspect to the unit was that it would not charge at 240v and output to the house circuits at the same time. Then when I did my first trial yesterday I was surprised when all my circuits remained live and fully functioning while charging at 240v. I am very impressed with the Ecoflow Ultra unit and I am never easily impressed. I just finished doing all the calculations and discovered that, here in New york State I can generate electricity on a natural gas generator at the same cost that I can buy it from the grid. That means that every watt of solar power from now on will be a savings. So I will be adding only enough solar to offset my current electric bill and back op with grid power or a trifuel generator if the grid is down.

[@HollisDoesStuff]

This is basically my plan too.

[@Godfather44055]

Ecoflow has a smart generator that does everything automatic for you. It will tun on when needed and shut off when the batteries are charged

[@andrievbastichy8551]

dave.. what powerstations are those

[@asher6657]

​@@Godfather44055true.. but it costs $1800. I bought a third party 4000 watt propane generator for $400 but I have to charge my DPU manually. The power cord to the generator needs to be manually connected each time anyway , so it's not a big deal .

[@chrisschrecengost1235]

I've had an Ecoflow for years and I paid for it. It works fantastic and, yes, for emergencies I have 3 180 watt traditional solar panels to charge it if there's no other way.

[@chuck_howard]

I thought the same as you about the power stations being way overpriced. I went with a Westinghouse 2200 watt gas generator and have used that many times during power outages in my area. Then I decided in winter it was really a pain going outside at night to start the generator if we had a storm. I bought four large LiFePo batteries and an inverter. I charge them up once a month and now when I lose power I can go to the basement and flip a switch and have power for a day and not have to go outside. If I need power longer then I can decide to start the generator when it's convenient for me. Later I did buy an 1800 watt knock off of a Jackery after seeing tests from other channels. With the sale and coupons I got it for around .40 cents per watt and it's so nice to just carry around. The one down side is, it's a battery, charger, and inverter all in one, so if one component craps out you lose the whole thing.

[@HollisDoesStuff]

That's a good setup with the batteries, I may graduate to something similar at some point. Need a transfer switch obviously. Right now it's a system of extension cords lol.

[@JeremyWamhoff]

This is pretty much what I was thinking about doing.

[@occamraiser]

The point is well made - although I doubt you meant to make it...... 'They are useless unless you also have a generator for when the power is out for more than an hour or two!'

[@chuck_howard]

@@occamraiser I have run tests and my battery bank is quite large so it will last 12 hours under a heavy load or 24 hours under a light load. Then I have to go to gas generators. Most people will not spend the money for this many batteries.

[@beesknees6970]

@@chuck_howard Sounds interesting. what size batteries do you get and what interface do you use to charge them off generator? I don't have space for solar panels but that sounds like a good alternative.

[@docriordan7787]

I fell for the sponsored you tube videos. But still turned out good. Purchased a Anker Solix 1000 from Anker during black Friday Era for $419. Which can be recharged quickly with my Champion 4200/3500 inverter generator. Like you said this will be my indoor power without the noise and cords everywhere. Good informative video!👌

[@curiouscat3384]

Thank you - I've been wading through the multitude of youtube videos for a month now and am more confused than ever lol. I've concluded that, instead of being lured in by the marketers, I need to first put more effort into figuring out what I absolutely NEED during a temporary power outage vs. off-grid for months following a natural catastrophe, versus just saving money by reducing electric consumption -- and then look for specific solutions. I'm a single, 70yoa city girl and would love to go off-grid completely but I live a frugal, minimalistic lifestyle anyway so I don't need to spend thousands and thousands to power a typical modern lifestyle house for even a day. At any rate, your chart is interesting and helpful and making the clear distinction between a generator and a power station might be a wake up call for some people :)

[@irenebrice133]

I have two EcoFlow Delta 2 Max power stations and we love them. Not one issue and they are a Godsend during a power outage. Bought them on sale and saved 31%. I highly recommend getting it and I would again even it they were not on sale.

[@RogueOntheRoad]

Best thing about a battery powered inverter station is there is no noise and exhaust fumes.

[@DavidPotter-k1d]

I pieced my own system together. I have 15,000 watt hours of batteries on the solar, 6000 on my wind generator. I charge them with 1600 watts of solar panels. I keep two chest freezers and a small fridge running, plus my oven, hotplate, coffeepot, etc. I went with a 24v system. I use the wind generator a lot in the winter for running electric blanket and a couple of 250 watts heat lamps sometimes. I ran my 12 volt fans and lighting off it in the summer, the fans run pretty much continuously when it's hot weather. My main inverter is a 2000 watts Aims Power inverter and charger, 24 volts to 120. The one on the wind generator is an Ampeak 2000w, 12v modified sine wave. Yesterday at 10 a.m., I had 932 watts coming into my 4215 BN Epever charge controller. Sounds like you have a great project. You'll get it there. This stuff is pricey. * spent $2700 for the batteries on my solar. About $1400 for the ones on the wind generator side. But, it works great now. The ad halfway through your video was for Jackery, lol.

[@HollisDoesStuff]

Wow nice setup! Funny about the Jackery ad lol, I have no control over that.

[@melangiehayden4167]

The terminology may be misleading to the uninitiated, but a scam? Hardly.

[@RogueOntheRoad]

Technically it's a marketing scam.

[@kcgunesq]

If they weren't trying to mislead, they would simply call it a "battery" or "battery system" or even a "portable power station".

[@Goodmanperson55]

​@@kcgunesq They are more often marketed as such. It's especially strong among the camper/overlander market. I've only ever seen them marketed as "solar generators" when they're bundled along with solar panels. I'm guessing it's some kind of skeuomorphic marketing. It's just a way of letting people know it can take on the function. Kinda like LED bulbs being marketed with the wattage of an incandescent bulb with equivalent wattage instead of the actual wattage of the LED bulb. Basically: People are dumb and marketers rightly assume as such.

[@stephenkern5784]

We aren't as dumb as the KZbinr thinks

[@carlomartin6156]

I knew wath I needed a specialy not a generator since I live in an apartment, I bought an ecoflow delta 2, just run it for 3 hours the whole apartment heating system fridge. 40% left, I know it is a power ank like for you phone but for the whole house.

[@empoweryou1]

My story is similar to yours. I landed on the Pecron E2000LFP with 600 watts of portable solar panels and a Champion 2500 dual fuel generator. I keep a few 20lb. cans of propane around too. This is enough to keep the essentials running for a while during a potential outage. Appreciate the video.

[@leeinwis]

$749.00

[@HollisDoesStuff]

I'm actually looking at the same Pecron. Any issues?

[@empoweryou1]

@@HollisDoesStuff None at all. There's nothing fancy about the unit, no touch screen, no app to use. I do like that it will take up 1200 watts of charging too. Very basic.

[@markhunt6573]

Pecron has a new bigger unit now…the e3600 it’s a beast and I love it so far.

[@empoweryou1]

@@markhunt6573 Oh yea. I've been eyeing it. I might get it and use the E2000 for the garage fridge.

[@joeflyer1]

Ecoflow has really challenging pricing. Everything the company sells has reduced pricing at least once a month. I bought a Delta 2 1024 Wh inverter for $475. That's less than $0.50 per Wh. I charge it with a $65 345-watt solar panel. Takes 4 hours. I also have a gas generator, but it is LOUD.

[@HollisDoesStuff]

Keep in mind I'm in Canada, our pricing is different. Just saw an ad for the delta 2 max, which has roughly the same specs as that Solarplay for $1749 "on sale". The Solarplay was $1099.

[@leeinwis]

A 65 dollar 345w panel ? mmkay🙄

[@Alex_Outdoors_Canada]

@@leeinwis So someone cant find a used 345 watt solar panel for 65 dollars? I've got about 100 facebook marketplace listings that will tell you differently.

[@tracenixon5487]

Where did you find 345w solar panel at $65

[@ElementalTJ]

I just got a Delta 2 and Extra Smart battery for $870! That's 2048wh and a 1800w output (2200w with XBoost) They have LiFePo4 batteries that should last 8000 cycles to 80% and has a 5 year warranty! EcoFlow showed a teardown video and they aren't a bunch of small 18650s either Definitely get them on sale

[@MaconMedia]

I have a Jackery system with solar panels and it's essentially free power. No having to worry about whether or not gasoline is available or how much it will cost. It has cut my power bill from $120 a month to less than $30 a month. I have several 100Ah Lithium batteries to store power during times when the sun isn't shining.

[@scarygary3569]

I can appreciate your view point but only thing I can say is a fuel generator is nothing but a hunk of metal if you run out of fuel which is way more likely than running out of sun. Especially the way this world seems to be headed. Im like any prepared person have both options. I suggest every1 should have some kind of back up power if you live in this country. Not to is just asking for insanity. I have a Growatt 3kw with 2000watts of panels,Point Zero Titan,Ecoflow Delta1300 and a duel fuel generator. Guarantee I'll have power no matter what as long as the sun can shine its light✌️

[@WJCTechyman]

With the more severe weather guaranteed to come, those solar panels will likely end up in a garbage dump cracked and broken due to hail. At least small engines can be recycled, you can't really do that with voltaic cells and photo-voltaic cell panels. They're impossible really to recycle. That being said, it is a weird cyclic conundrum. There's also the problem that most Lithium chemistry batteries have a fairly nasty consequence to the environment when just mining it as well as that highly volatile spontaneous combustion problem they have.

[@scarygary3569]

Most solar panels have glass that's extremely strong and can handle most hail storms within reason of course. I can attest to marble size hail not damaging any of my panels but even if they do break or malfunction, most reputable company's put a 25 year warranty on them. As for lithium batteries, yes the lithium NMC does carry a risk if punctured or use incorrectly but the newer Lithium iron phosphate (Lipo) is much safer to use. I feel the risk reward to safety,environmental impact and most importantly...reliable dependable source of power I most definetly would choose solar if I had to pick 1 or the other. It's a no Brainer to have both options especially a duel fuel so I can store propane long term and tap into the 3 large tanks that I have for my home. 1 is none 2 is 1 so the saying goes.

[@scarygary3569]

I must add that lithium batteries must be damaged or misused to cause any kind of combustion and the nice thing is that there's usually multiple components or settings that are used to protect batteries,fuses,temperature sensors surge protectors and charging/discharging parameters etc but gas or fuel can combust in multiple scenarios with no such safety available. Fumes sparks, lightning,static electricity yadda yadda yadda... u get my point.

[@Hugmiff1]

Unless you run out of sunshine? Like in Northern Indiana where it's not uncommon to go 11 days and not see the sun in the dead of winter. Summer solar - sure. But a small diesel generator servicing a big battery and inverter is king. There will be diesel after there is no gasoline. And diesel stores for years.

[@scarygary3569]

​​@@Hugmiff1yea there's always variables. I live up in Appalachians in MA and I only get around 3-5 hrs of peak sun at best in winter but that's why I have a larger battery bank to make it thru if Sun isn't greatest. Take the good with the bad but certainly glad I've got stuff covered either way.

[@HaroldJackson]

He's not wrong! But solar panels are so cheap now. I have 800 watts of solar panels. I can run my refrigerator at night and change the battery the next day with the sun. If the sun is not out then I use the gas generator . Great video.

[@AkhonaNgquba]

I’m assuming the generator you are sitting next to does not need you to carry fuel for it to generate power. Let’s call it a fuel generator. Solar “generators” are in my opinion much better. I have both and really prefer its quiet operation and how light the “fuel” is and how little maintenance I have to do.

[@jimk.2325]

The generator that he is sitting next to is called a gasoline powered generator not a fuel generator. All generators use some type of fuel.

[@AkhonaNgquba]

Yes, my point was regardless of the generator you need to carry fuel. Whether it is diesel, gasoline or solar panels.

[@WJCTechyman]

@@jimk.2325 I think the word you are looking for is "energy" not "fuel" which as the name implies, when burned releases the potential energy in the form of heat.

[@nickadamson6053]

@@AkhonaNgquba Your EcoFlow or whatever brand you have does not generate anything. It's just a fancy battery with an inverter. A gas or dual fuel portable generator, GENERATES electricity for immediate use. It does not store anything. If you don't use the electricity it can make while running, it goes by-by. One of those power stations stores energy generated from somewhere else. A solar panel, a gas portable generator, a stationary bicycle you're pedaling with an alternator attached, the coal burning power plant that feeds electricity to the outlets in your home...

[@AkhonaNgquba]

@@WJCTechyman yes, I was avoiding using energy because energy can be stored in different forms in this case it is chemical (in the petrol/diesel) which is heavier than solar panels for a given output over time.

[@daviddunn1923]

Great review! I like your pragmatic, down-to-earth, conservative approach to things. Refusing to be taken in by flashy marketing. You saved me some research time. Have you noticed all the justification comments from those who purchased Eco Flow? 😂

[@SAMMIEJONESJUNIOR]

It is a solar power generator if you include solar panels, and yes, i watched the video. The panels are not the generator either. It takes both, the panel extracts the solar energy, and the power stations convert it into usable energy. There is no scam in it because each company calls them power station and not solar generator.

[@1001Hobbies]

At what point does a "solar power generator" actually generate output? The unit never does, as stated in the video. It is purely an electricity storage device that then changes (not generates) the stored DC power into 120 volt, 60 Hz AC power, or 12 volt DC power if needed. It can only do this with electricity that is put into it. It never "generates" electricity. Connecting solar panels to it is a way to put electricity into it. The panels convert the sunlight into electricity. Not generating, but converting, and this is a function the panels would do even if not connected to a power station. Then that electricity is put into the power station to store the electricity until it is needed to convert once again that electricity into the type of electricity needed. Basically, the power station is the retail store. The manufacturer of their goods are someone else.

[@nodak81]

Vastly overpriced, limited use case, low output of solar, fire risk of Chinese-made lithium batteries, etc. The list of downsides goes on and on. Being quiet and not having to buy fuel are literally the only upsides to these things.

[@hackysackmonster]

The Sun is the generator as all things after generate nothing, but only serve to convert the suns energy into all its forms. It is normally at this point we decide how to craft this energy. But technically the suns energy is useful in all its phases, even while traveling through the void of space. The point this video is making however wasn't to learn about where the energy is sourced or how its converted, but its to expose these power packs are a poor value and to help make a better informed purchase on energy storage needs and to open a discussion about the subject. Part of that discussion is how companies will use buzzwords like "Solar Generator" with these devices, he is trying to tell you not be be swept up by the buzz words. To learn from his mistakes, to instead look at the capacity and per kWh and how many cycles is it rated for etc.

[@cjhawk67]

Thats like saying a gas can is a fuel generator because if you pair it with a gas pump you can fill it up.

[@triggered-u8d]

Buyers remorse is a real pain in the ole bum bum. So is a weekend with Diddy. Write that down, with your stinky pinky ✊🏾🖖🏾🫵🏾👇🏾🤜🏾

[@muskyful]

I think the "Solar Generator" tag is because you can charge these power stations with solar panels. I have a 200w panel on my camper Van and also a portable fold-up 200w panel that I can use at my Van or at home. I have a 600w & 1500w power stations which I charge with solar whenever possible. I also have a 3500w pure sinewave generator at home to use if no sunshine in a blackout. With all these power stations you need to make sure your battery is the iron phosphate (LifePo4) for longer life & fire safety, and the inverter is pure sinewave for compatibility with electronics, as not all "budget brands" were when I bought mine.

[@suecrets5169]

Cost has been a big thing. Just picked up the Eco Max 2 for 990 with tax, think it's worth that and 5 year warranty. Can't wait to get it

[@TheChipMcDonald]

You've got to go solar at some point, as the weather gets more chaotic and infrastructure declines, unless you want to store a lot of gas on your property you can't count on getting it.

[@commonsensepatriot9450]

Our emergency backup is an Ecoflow Delta 2500w/ 2100wh, 2/400w solar panels, and a 2500w dual fuel generator. We keep 18 gal of gas and 4 20lb propane cylinders. We'd be good for months, and total cast was around $2k.

[@TheNewMediaoftheDawn]

Yes “solar generators” have two benefits, 1-convenience, no complex wiring, 2-portability, but for off grid, solar, separate batteries, and an inverter system is WAY cheaper, however, again you can’t move it, it’s not portable. I like the idea of a 3000-5000 Whr station with panels for off grid, plus a fireplace, propane water heater, and efficient appliances, that would work well…🌲🌲🌲

[@jake-mv5oi]

In theory, nothing will pull more than 20A from an outlet, but things like 120V welders and planers often do. They take advantage of a breaker's thermal trip setpoint that allows more current to be pulled than the breaker setpoint for a few minutes.

[@northman77]

I already have a 6250w generator and will probably buy a propane generator just in case. Also looking for battery and solar panels. -30 is no joke and I remember the -40 from a couple years ago and wouldn't want to leave the house without heating for more than a day without at least my little generator. Good stuff, great advice. Thanks

[@brucekempf4648]

I love my Ecoflows. A generator uses gas to produce AC power. A solar generator uses batteries to produce AC power. You need to put more gas in you generator or you need to put more power into the Ecoflow. I have solar panels but mostly use the mains when they are working because you have a 1 hour charge time. It's always ready to go and makes no fumes so is great for short outages. I still have a gas generator to recharge my Ecoflow if needed.

[@occamraiser]

FFS - there IS polution when you charge your ecoflow.......it is just at the power station not your house.

[@brucekempf4648]

@@occamraiser Energy alsways comes at a cost. I use solar as much as possible but there are times when the sun is not producing enough power.

[@HollisDoesStuff]

Sounds like a nice setup

[@ThomasNowicki-m5s]

yes ecoflow ihave great stuff. ecoflow river 3 ~ 150$ the perfect mini powerstation, outstanding features, UPS ability i love the most. then take any LiFEpo4 12V battery conect to it = unlimited runtime and no cost per Wh.... i have some very cheap lipo batterys and grands unlimited runtimes. perfect blackout solution. only downside of the river 3 ist output limited to 600 Watt but about its size its suits any tasks... and its true to buy bigger power station the WH prizes go more and more wrong. thats why to buy a small powerstation and buy extra lets say for example Litime 12V 200 Ah batterys together makes the real kombo. ecoflow river 3 = 240 Wh ~150$ litime 200Ah= 2600 Wh~ 390$ that makes a ~3000 Wh powerstation for

[@WJCTechyman]

@@occamraiser Not only that but the off gassing of the batteries is likely toxic as well. What many don't realize is potentially more pollution is needed to extract the highly toxic Lithium and other precious metals to begin with. Then there's end of life: What do you do with the black mass? From what I understand, it is warehoused in large canvas bags where it could seep into groundwater sources as there is no real solution to separating the components to be recycled. The other issue is gasoline generators when being stored don't have nearly the potential to spontaneously combust but well maintained Lithium based batteries do.

[@fookingsog]

Some notes about *SCALABILITY* that most folks are oblivious to: ~Approaching this from the gas generator end of things, not all gas generators are designed equally. Small inverters that can be paralleled/ganged together as they can vary the engine RPM (servo control throttle feedback mechanism) and wattage output as required. A non-inverter generator runs full bore regardless of the load required, therefore unnecessarily wasted burnt gas and noise. ~EcoFlow River 2 MAX 500/1000 can fully recharge in 1 hour due to a 660 Watt fast charging circuit. So if charging from your inverter generator, the generator can ramp up the RPM's to charge the EcoFlow and after the charge is completed return to a low demand mid-idle cycle. Always important for emergency situations- 2 is 1, 1 is NONE!!!...Availability, Scalability & Redundancy!!!

[@FishinNStuff]

I must say I do like my EcoFlows. I bought 1 5 years ago when they were expensive but now they have great sales . You can get a giant EcoFlow fur the price you listed But!!!!! I do agree with you for the most part . Especially the dont buy a power station with out a generator. Unless you have real solar panels . The portable kind don't charge when it's cloudy. Most of the time there's a power outage it's cloudy . Snow storm , hurricane , what ever . But you did forget 1 thing . You need to get you a invert generator if your using it to charge your power station . The power a generator puts out is dirty waves and not good for electronics like TVs , computers and power stations . Good video buddy

[@stabbyronnie]

A couple things to consider. 1. A gasoline generator will do you no good if you don't have gasoline. And we all know that it's difficult to store fuel, at least in any meaningful capacity and you can't do so indefinitely. 2. I and many others live where hurricanes hit and kill entire grids (NC), so you're not going to be able to obtain fuel if you don't already have it if the stores can't pump it. Even if a store can pump fuel, are you actually going to make it there to get it? What if the roads are impassable? If the roads are fine and assuming the pumps are working and the store will/can sell it to you, how much can you carry? Will any be left? You also can't run a gasoline generator indoors. That poses a couple risks. The generator itself could be stolen and during natural disasters you're advertising your whereabouts and that you have energy. Best case scenario is to have multiple "solar" "generators" from the big manufacturers such as EcoFlow and have both solar panels and a gasoline generator. The brands that you say are just maketing also cost more because of their charging capabilities. You can run a gasoline generator for a little over an hour and 20 minutes, then take the solar unit in your house without announcing your presence and have the ability to charge daily if sun is available and sufficient. All this prepping stuff has to be layered. You'll still need candles, fuel oil lanterns and other cooking utilities. I get what you mean, but at the same time a generator doesn't generate anything without fuel. And like I said, good luck getting an inexpensive "solar genertor" or power station to recharge in 1.2 hours from AC and in less than 5 hours with ideal solar conditions alone. The big companies actually have paid for that R&D, and they'll be around when something does go wrong to answer a phone . Those other companies may not be. You may be paying more, but you're actually paying for something. Plus, like you said, there's always sales!

[@HutchinsonJC]

It's a SOLAR generator because with SOLAR panels (in place of a fuel like gasoline) it generates electricity. Honestly not that difficult to understand. Now, if you want to use one without solar panels, essentially cutting off a portion of its capability, then sure, it's a giant battery box that you could recharge with house power to have in the event that power cuts out. And one big benefit of that, is that you CAN run a solar generator inside of your house, apartment, or sky rise even if you were on the 7th floor with no balcony to the effect of having backup power, which for some people is far more beneficial than having a generator on the 7th floor with no balcony. Kinda tired of people getting pedantic over the name. Get over it.

[@WJCTechyman]

Matthias Wandel, if I remember correctly, tested EcoFlow and he gave a relatively critical review of the unit and EcoFlow stopped talking to him. He tried various power tools on his sample units and found some interesting quirks about them.

[@NoChannelChannel]

I got the ecoflow delta 2 to compliment my generator, seems a waste running a 2000w generator to power around 140w load, so charge the power station at 1000w in a bit more then 1 hour I have enough power for next 6 hours, then start the cycle again. As you said the power station is not efficient from 1024kwh I get about 780wh

[@HorseRadish403]

I have the same. Not smart wasting gas to charge a phone. People don't think.

[@davidarnold344]

Exactly. Having a big solar generator/battery let's me have a goodnights sleep and the ability leave the house. I was running a tiny 2000w gen to only recharge. 2x a day for like 2 hours, For the whole week. And still have like 20% of the BBQ tank full of LP. The biggest think is to get a power station that can fast charge and a gen that can put out that wattage. I have a delta max. And it kept my fridge and meat freezer and lizard lamps going for about 10hours. I vacuumed and cooked with with an inverter microwave on 1/2 power. I would never want to ever run a generator all day and night.

[@WJCTechyman]

@@HorseRadish403 So? You really don't need a battery bank that large to charge your phone. Get one of those handheld Lithium banks that's about the size of your phone and those last quite a while on their own.

[@vashon100]

Complement vs compliment

[@NoChannelChannel]

@vashon100 thanks

[@Canadianslinger]

Ecoflow delta 2 max with a propane inverter generator is my setup. I can charge the delta almost 10x per 20lb propane tank.the delta runs my 2 fridges all night per charge which takes about 1.5hrs. Plus whatever solar I can “generate” with a panel in your definition of the term.

[@Davisurena]

Engines are as much generators as a battery; in the sense that both transform a chemical reaction into electricity.

[@chriscarr82]

Both "generators" turn stored chemical potential energy into electricity, so they are both generators just use different fuel sources. Agree smartest setup is battery and recharging it using gas/propane for convenience. It should also be more efficient than a gas generator alone too. Solar is nice but not nearly as practical for larger loads.

[@HollisDoesStuff]

Solar would be great for a longer term setup, but typically a power outage happens during winter storms here, so solar for temporary use doesn't make much sense.

[@tristated9310]

For me, I do not find solar usable and have been interested in having a whole house battery that lasts 12ish hours, but I can charge with a propane generator. The issue I see is that everyone wants to add solar pass through charging, but there is not generator pass through charging at 240v. At least at reasonable pricing. Do you know of a company that does provides that product? Or is build your own the only option? We will agree to disagree about the generator term as gasoline runs an engine that turns a rotor which generates electricity. A battery just stores electrical energy and can not spontaneously generate it.

[@JeweLinHisHans]

I have the delta 2. I also have 2 200watt solar panels I bought with it. It works very well. It charges very fast with the solar panels. Lots of plugs of many different kinds. Pretty easy to use even for me who was clueless when I got it. I got it to be able to run fans in the summer, heated blankets in the winter, an electric cooler, charge lights and tech, plug in a lamp or two. I pulled it out last month as I do every 3 months and it charged from 30% to 90% in just over an hour or so. Then I ran lamps and fans and stuff forever and it barely dropped at all. I wound up packing it away with 70% charge because I was just done playing with it and was having trouble dumping power, lol. Of course maybe if I planned to run a fridge or something it might struggle, don’t know. But I got a big plug in electric cooler / freezer thing with two doors basically and takes little power. So…all in all I’m very happy with it. I do have a whole house generator that is hooked up to my city gas. Our gas runs underground so even in hurricanes we still have gas. But it could stop…or I could run out of oil. I go through a quart of oil every four days or so…at least with the sun power I can have basics. I’m planning to move this summer if I can sell my house for a good price and my next home will be totally off grid with solar and wind power and a backup generator as well as a water well and rain collection. I like being independent from the grid and knowing how to repair and fix my own stuff instead of relying on someone else.

[@RZLAND]

I have a 300w battery station that I use for my wifi router when we lose power. It runs for a good 8 hours. I have a second one that we use for lighting at night. Luckily we don't have many outages, but when we do, we can at least watch cable on our tablets and have lights. I see the benefit for a gas powered generator, but you have to have it maintained and it burns gas and oil.

[@Toots807]

I appreciate the time you spent on the subject matter.

[@BoDiddly]

You are not crazy about the Coffee! I bought an Ecoflow Solar Delta 2 and my main reason was for my Ninja Single-Serve PODs and Grounds coffee maker that I like to take on 4-day music festivals. It works great for these festivals! I can run my LED string lights at night, make coffee in the morning, then charge it up in a couple of hours with the two 220w solar panels when the sun comes up. I also bought a Pulsar 4000W duel fuel generator to charge the ecoflow at festivals if the sun doesn't come up, or to run my movie projector or fans (for hot days, I have medical conditions and need some form of cooling). Both help out a lot during power outages! I have had a Honda EU3000 for years, but that is heavy as Sh$t to lug around, and with my arthritic bones and bad back, I can't keep doing that! (Try loading one of those into the back of an SUV singlehandedly! Not anymore!)! Both the Ecoflow and the Pulsar are much lighter than the Honda. The Pulsar is a bit louder than the Honda, but not too bad. The Ecoflow is dead silent, so it is perfect for LED lights (that hardly draw any power) at night is the perfect use case for it. The Ecoflow Solar Panels are a bit bulky and are tougher than normal solar panels, but they are still fragile, so those have to get packed on top of everything else, and last, and don't strap those down too tight or they will crack. I think something like the Pulsar 4000, the Champion 3500 or the Predator 3500 would be great for a cabin, instead of those noisy generators you have in your background.

[@LifeinWV]

Nice video I agree to a point but I do have a EcoFlow they didn’t pay me I just used it for 5 days with no power during hurricane helene gas stations was no power so no way to get fuel and what fuel we had on hand would last a couple days max. So I just decided I bought this as a back up for if had no options no gas so on. Lessons I learned the EcoFlow paid for itself the 5 days with no power keep my freezer fridge running the whole time downside I will be adding an extra solar panel kit sometime. I charged from one 220 watt solar panel cooked from a small grill heated stuff with air fryer and ran a fan not all things hooked up at one time however the fridge was hooked up all the time took turns with the little power grill and the air fryer and then used fan and fridge charged cellphones and had a couple usb camping lights it did all I wanted it for but if I wanted whole house to be powered definitely a gas or propane generator. But it is always good ideal to have a back up of a back up. And then another back up if you can.

[@all151]

Thanks so much. Very insightful. You helped me solidify my own conclusions. There are some of us which are not in ideal situations for acquiring a better generator solution. Regardless, I live in an older large apartment building A generator would probably stir issues with the neighbours as well Storing gas could also be an issue, Luckily, in the last 50 years, here in Vancouver, I can count all the power outages which affected me on one hand. Of which, only one was serious. The wind storm which knocked down trees in Stanley Park, leaving my neighbourhood without power for a week (on the North Shore). Fortunately my power requirements are minimal. My flashlight collection and Coleman stove got me through it. But I know that a power station, my several 5v LED string lights, and some solar panels would increase my comfort during another extended outage. As long as I have gas in the car, I can recharge a power station there, as well. Thanks for your video.

[@criticalevent]

I have 600ah of AGMs and a 2500w pure sine inverter that'll run everything critical in the house for a couple of days, but it's sure not portable. I'll probably pick up one of the mid size Jackey unit or equivalent for camping, but it's not something I really need in my life since I have an inverter in my truck. I think the biggest thing to look for in these things if you are using it for house backup is pass-thu, you want to be able to plug the charger for it into a generator, while it's still powering your house, and have the generator charge it while it's still working. This is how I have my home built hybrid system set up and you use a quarter of the gas and need only a 1500w generator.

[@SI-lg2vp]

I started out with a 14KW diesel generator and 70 gal fuel tank to power the house circuit breaker panel. I back up the electrical needs with 4.5 KW solar panels with 15KW battery bank, and a 3.5 KW gas generator for 120 volt loads. Between all the power sources I should be able to run most of the needs, and to run silent during the night. I thought all the power stations are over priced and fall short on the number of cycles in comparison to the EG4 server rack batteries. I've never experienced long duration of loss of grid power like those in hurricane areas. One thing for sure I'm the only home in my development that has back up power for electrical, and secondary heat for all those winter grid power loss.

[@armcfaddful]

generators are great. I say propane are best for fuel storage not best for power, but everybody is lazy and maintanance is needed for when you need it solutions. In the end it is all about features. Silent running, quick charging, pure sign wave inverters, warenty ect... Always get what works for you! good video.

[@HollisDoesStuff]

Thanks! The only issues with propane are it can be -20 here during blackouts and propane tanks don't like cold for pressure. And honestly, gas in jugs is easier to get and handle for me.

[@duffhisey9239]

I got the eco flow pro 3 and use it for my small rv. I actually make more energy than I use. But here is the thing, gas generators are being banned in more and more camping locations . I can get a primitive camp site which are usually bigger close to the lake at less than half the cost. I simply love the eco flow pro 3 .

[@robertk4552]

I just invested in Anker Solar Generator options. F2000 & C1000 with 3 - 400wt solar panels and 1 - 200wt solar panel. Under $0.50 watt hour in the end. Good early Black Friday deals. In a way solar does seem like a scam. Large dollar investment that is slowly recovered. You need enough solar energy in reserves to handle multiple days of outage. Or as many days as you are concerned with. In Austin, TX we have only lost power for a few hours so a non-concern. We are considering getting solar for our new home so testing it out now for beaches and camping / hiking basecamp. Never used solar or a generator before so lots to learn. Thanks for the advice.

[@markb-axtonmx]

YES, BUY YOUR OWN BATTERIES AND MAKE YOUR OWN. I HAVE 6, 100 WATT PANELS ON MY SYSTEM. 60 AMP CHARGE CONTROLLER, 8, 100 AMP 12 VOLT LITHIUM BATTERIES AND 1500 WATT INVERTER WIRED FOR 26.6 VOLT SYSTEM. IT RUNS MY FULL SIZE REFRIDGERATOR, 40 INCH TV, OVERHEAD LIGHT, INTERNET ROUTER, 2 SECURITY CAMERA'S, COMPUTER, CORDLESS PHONE, LAMP AND ALARM CLOCK IN BEDROOM, AND SEVERAL CORLESS DRILL CHARGERS. HAS BEEN UP AND RUNNING FOR A LITTLE OVER A YEAR NOW AND HAS PERFORMED PERFECTLY SO FAR. AND WILL RUN ALL THAT EVEN AFTER UP TO 5 CLOUDY DAYS. LOVE MY SOLAR SYSTEM.

[@jeremiahrex]

I’m an electrical engineer so I obviously agree with this sentiment, but honestly it’s not as difficult as many people think. No, it’s not plug together lego blocks, you have to learn. But it’s not a career-sized job. It’s something you can learn over the span of a few months investing hobby level amounts of hours. It’s within reach of most people and you learn some truly valuable skills!

[@markb-axtonmx]

@@jeremiahrex Yes. I did lots of research. Bought a system and figured it out. Not that hard and not nearly as expensive as most advertise. I actually have 2 systems running most of my house now. less tahn ten grand invested. Grid electric bill runs me around $30. dollars a month now. Very happy with solar.

[@pmh1nic]

I could build one but choose not to because I'd be hard pressed to build it with all the features of these power stations in a small, compact and portable package. I have an Oupes Mega 1 power station (1024Wh) that weighs 28 pounds, has 4 120V outlets, 4 USB outlets, charging ports for solar and A/C charging, multiple displays showing percentage of charge, time to discharge, input and output power, etc., etc. and Bluetooth and wireless capability that I can check the power station status remotely. All of this package in a casing that is compact, pleasing to the eye and very portable. I paid $500 for it. For the time it would take me to source all of the componer, pay for and assemble all of this I'd much rather pay someone else to do it for me.

[@MattBurke77]

I work at a rental company and we have suitcase style generators rated at 4700 Watts, four 15 amp and one 30amp twistlock plugs. I plan on buying one very soon for myself. Cheers from N.S.😊

[@Hugmiff1]

I like your style, Hollis. A small generator powering a large battery charger servicing a large battery powering an inverter. Less costly and less convenient. The power station is the battery charger, battery and inverter in one package is convenient but more costly. A small diesel generator is excellent because diesel stores very well and the engines are simple and dead reliable. The small diesel powering the power station seems like perfection. Again, I like your presentation.

[@1irishcaitlin]

Did you ever try to get fuel before and after a hurricane also I’m a woman 74 years old I cannot lug a large generator around.

[@1kzrider]

Very solid points. I like fact you figured out the jump Starter trick to use the inverter still. As far as inverter gens. They are great your correct. But, your maintenance on them are hassle. I do like there are now fuel pumps you can add to the gens now to extend the run time. As for the solar gens. Best to just honestly have several. And also have the largest capacity USB battery as well. I found so many things to run off USB. Things I like to run mostly are USB fans, LED lights, USB Coffee warming plate, USB 18650 AA AAA battery charging and of course electronics charging. Getting back to that jump starter. I know harley davidson sells Lithium batts that drop right in bikes. The battery is charged off the bike. And the BMS handles everything. From what I read is as long as the charger is not a smart charger you can still use on the battery and BMS handles it. SO I wonder if the Jump Starter you have if you could have just dropped in a replacement lifePo4 in it and still use the old wall plug to charge the jump starter with lifePo4 in it?

[@davidfielder1418]

Great discussion. I agree with you. You nailed it for the occasional blackout.

[@rodcros]

I ordered a big Ecoflow because I need 30 amps of backup power and 220 voltage for the water pump. I'll charge it with a 7.5 pto generator on a small diesel tractor, our current back-up power system. I want to be able to switch on the generator panel in a power outage, get through the night, and then take my time about firing up the generator tractor to recharge the Ultra, if necessary. In most situations to date, power outages have only lasted about eight hours at most... except for the Ice Storm. It lasted ten days.

[@HollisDoesStuff]

I would advise you to see if you can actually charge it with your generator. I can't with my regular generators, I have a 1200 watt and a 3000 watt. The Ecoflow won't do it, constantly reboots, charging is erratic, the load is all over the place causing chaos at the generator. They need really clean power to charge. You might be okay with a PTO, but I'd be interested in the results, let me know how it goes. I'm going to be getting an inverter generator for this purpose, video on that will be forthcoming.

[@SuperLooneyrooney]

I have the bluetti ac500 for use in an off grid cabin (I''m only there about 5 days/month) so it works for me but i also have a gas generator for back up/recharging of the bluetti's batteries and for use with the well pump. I think it is best to have both, if you don;t mind dolling out the money.

[@ewitte12]

I started with Ecoflow then built a custom system for bulk power. 5KW among power stations and 10.2KW with what I built which has 2 20a circuits on it one in the house. And a few solar panels.

[@cleverjoe]

Good info, thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[@DaaimShabazz]

I've got two Anker Solix F3800. You're right... power stations are not generators, but I just need to power my house. I can run it inside if it storms outside without putting myself in danger. Also, you don't have to worry about someone stealing it in the middle of the night. It happens. I can also power my house with Anker during peak times when the rates are more expensive and pull from the grid when rates are lower. Save about US$900/year. They also come with solar panels so you can run them indefinitely. They are also mobile. Of course, price is a factor. If that is the case, then go smaller, but the market is moving away from fossil fuel generators to cleaner energy. You can also get a 30% tax credit for clean energy. If you want a total solution (not just running cords all over the place) and fetching gasoline, then a mobile power station wired to the breaker box with transfer switch with solar panels is a great solution. We're going to look at gas generators 20 years from now and wonder why we were using such an antiquated hunk of metal with gas. It is like the old televisions with cathode ray tubes. Gas generators will go the way of cathode ray tubes and other outdated technologies. It will be a last resort.

[@BlueMoon-pz9pp]

Niiiiiice!

[@wgs256614]

My goal was to be able to charge up by solar panel when the sun is available. I have six 200 watt panels to charge my EcoFlo. Another spec to put in the equation is how much solar input can the station take.

[@FaithwalkerTodd]

When planning for emergency backup power, having a battery system to supplement your generator is essential. It extends the time your generator can run on available fuel. For example, 100 amp-hour lithium batteries, which store 1200 Wh, are available online for around $150. With four of these, you could have 4800 Wh of backup power for approximately $600. A 2000 W inverter would be sufficient to run a coffee pot and other essential devices. Additionally, you’ll need a fast way to recharge the batteries when the generator is running, such as a 30 amp charger per battery, or larger. Solar panels and charge controllers are great options for recharging batteries during emergencies, though they can be costly. A 100 W solar panel is currently priced just above $50, and you can expect to get about five times the rated wattage per day, assuming optimal conditions with full sun and no shade.

[@g-whiz286]

Thank you for an honest and unsponsored review. I love your studio.

[@HollisDoesStuff]

My studio... Oh, you mean my garage lol. Thanks!

[@georgeturner301]

I was told a story...95% of the world's computer displays were made by FOUR! Manufacturers...I NEVER worry about the BIG NAMES. The same goes for these Power Stations. I usually pay 30-45 cents per Watt/Hr. I ALSO don't worry about Customer Service, because they are usually weak to non-existent!! I also stay within 500-2000 Watt/Hrs of storage.

[@spiderman0863]

Great video!!! 😊

[@nyambe]

Great info. I want to to run lights for filming at remote locations. Small 600w/300w

[@pglazzari1]

I bought that BLUETTI on the list for 1199 with 200w solar panel. It’s great so far.

[@914Hex]

I buy used 600W Uninterruptible power supplies on eBay without batteries for like $40 then buy a much larger lifepo4 battery, yes I need to extend the battery cables on the ups and it's not one nice self contained unit but I can put one of these on every critical item in the house to get me thru most power outages less than a day. I also have 400 Ah battery with 4000 watt inverter and solar panels in the shed for long term or higher power uses.

[@HollisDoesStuff]

Great idea!

[@michelleevans9869]

Good to have both. How is customer support? Usually the cheaper ones provide very little if issues arise

[@JohnW118]

And the big guys can be expected to be around for years, while these little knockoffs (made in China anyone?) might not last more than a few years in business.

[@tonyharris9820]

Thank you for an honest evaluation. It helped me a lot God bless. Be careful. Honest people are hard to find

[@JamesBond-zd5jx]

If you have nothing: buy a small dual fuel inverter generator and use only propane. Propane stores forever and it’s easier on your engine. If you have enough propane for your outage then perhaps that’s all you need. However, it’s hard to know what’s enough. So after that, either buy a power station 1kw minimum or better yet a LiFePO4 battery, solar charger, inverter, and some solar. Use Solar when you can and when you can’t then charge the battery or power station with the generator. As time goes by, you can upgrade with more or better batteries and with more solar.

[@LS-lb7pw]

Good video, very helpful. Subscribed!

[@macclark4112]

All great until you run out of gas or propane. I had all this and still do own all of this. Today 9/4/24 I am bringing my 13,750 Solar System online. I have been working on this project now for 2 years. Because of the expense involved with such an elaborate system. I upgraded to a 20KW Kohler with its own dedicated 500 gal. Propane tank. I should only need it if the Grid goes down. My battery bank is 14,300 amp hours. And my SolArk15K can charge it at 185 amps. Once my Battery Bank full & in float. The Solar Array is directed to send the majority of the energy to the grid. Banking KWH with my local utility company for cloudy, snowy,overcast days. Then my SolArk can direct energy to my Battery Bank as needed from the grid to maintain my Battery Bank above 30%. My total bill will never exceed $40 ever from my Utility company.

[@edwardtitus1817]

'"AMEN!!!, It's NOT!! An OPTION!! Anymore!!, The Whole World/Planet MUST! Have! EXTREME!!! MAXIMUM!!! Amount! Of SOLAR!! ➕ 🔋Battery!! Storage!! EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!"'

[@torstenhock2976]

No they are not a scam!! I have an ecoflow delta pro and an ecoflow dual fuel generator ..... the generator only kicks in when the batterie happens to run low at night and isn't running like a regular gasoline generator 24/7 and produces power if needed or not. My 2x40 lbs and one 100lbs LPG bottles will last for weeks if not a lot more. Plus the lpg can be stored indefinitely unlike gasoline. So I'm not running to the gasstation like a Lemming when the #### hits the fan

[@cindytriffon4942]

Thank you... we used to have a Kohler 4000 in our motor home.. after 20 years it was time to put our feet on the ground.. lol, really miss having a generator.. thank you again for the info 😀

[@BePatient888]

Interesting analogy so, using that definition, the gas or propane is the true generator in your non-solar generators. Anyhow, Solar power stations are good all-in-one solutions for people who don't educate themselves enough, or trust themselves enough, to build a safe DIY power station from wiring batteries to an inverter, including the appropriate wire gauges, shut offs, and fuses. Then add in an appropriate solar energy controller to feed your batteries without damaging them.

[@BenReese]

Hopefully nobody is buying these without understanding they're not really "generators". They replace generators though, which is where the dumb term "solar generator" comes from. Yes, without solar panels, they're nothing but a portable/backup battery. I appreciate your price / Wh chart. It's extremely helpful! Unfortunately, it still doesn't tell the whole story. Lower $/Wh doesn't mean it's better. Not all 18650 or 21700 cells are made the same. If we opened an Anker, Jackery, or Ecoflow power station, I'd expect to find quality cells - possibly from LG, Samsung, or maybe Molicel. We probably wouldn't find the same in a cheaper Chinese-made power station. It would be interesting to see a full load test comparison between SolarPlay and Ecoflow to see a) do they deliver on their advertised specs; b) do they hold their own over time? Since I don't own any of them, I really have no skin in the game. If SolarPlay and Ecoflow wanted to send me units to test, I'd happily oblige lol.

[@BenReese]

Just clicked on your update video 🤦‍♂ Watching that now 🙂

[@1FAST91SONOMA]

Jeckery is far worse than Ecoflow or Bluetti, they don't even deserve to be mentioned together in comparison because Jackery is so outdated and underperforming in contrast to their pricing being 20-50% higher than Ecoflow. You can get great deals with Ecoflow. I have 4 River Pros and they cost me $260-300 each per 720wh power station. Thats well under 50 cents per WH, averaging roughly 40 cents per WH across the 4 stations. Same goes for the Delta Max 2000 and its add-on battery. I paid $1300 together and they offer just over 4KWH. Thats roughly 33cents per WH. If my 1200W array of foldng solar panels isnt going to charge them, then my 3500W, 61lb, and $375 WEN GN400I generator can take that task.This is all only necessary if I run out of power in my suburban. It has a 5120WH Lifepo4 server rack battery in it with a 50A DC-DC/MPPT charge controller, and 500W worth of solar panels mounted to it. It also has a residential mattress, 12V fridge/freezer, microwave, starlink internet, mattress heater, space heater and AC system plus a propane water heater and range so I can cook and bathe like normal anywhere I go.

[@HollisDoesStuff]

Sweet setup!

[@xenon2kx]

$5 for diesel in Cali Using Ev ...paying $2k for charge instead 10 k for diesel a year Solar split HVAC next

[@byronmorris1594]

You learn not to use the power inverter and to use the 12-volt side for everything. You can explain the unit for longer use by using low-energy heaters and air conditioners.

[@HollisDoesStuff]

Good advice. Heat for us when off grid is a wood stove, air conditioning is an open window (Canada). We do need 110v for fridge, freezer.

[@ensom]

@@HollisDoesStuff a 12v fridge such as those made by iceco are very efficient, they will use around 200 watt hours per day. DC fridge bypasses the efficiency losses of running the inverter.. so if you want refrigeration long term or for a camper, van, rv etc they are a great option imo.

[@blueridgemountainprepper2166]

I will agree I love my 2 inverters generators..I have a Honda 2200 and a Cat 2000. Both are whisper quiet and run like 9 hours or so on tank gas on eco mode, tank gallon or so, love both of um, I bought the 2 power stations recently because I want a solar option available incase the grid goes down long term and gas won't be an option once the stores run dry and that's only IF they can pump it out of the ground. My local back woods store has a large commercial diesel unit to run their store during outages so for me that won't be an issue but once their tank goes empty that's it

[@Ulbre]

I'd definitely get some cheap used solar panels, especially for the cabin. It's limited to 500w solar input so a couple of used 250w or 235w panels could charge her up with 6 hours of good sunlight.....or help maintain the charge when your using it. You'll find yourself not cranking up the generator as often or perhaps not at all.

[@Tincan21ify]

If you have portable solar cells, the other feature to look for is the ability to charge and discharge at the same time. Some can't do it.

[@highonimmi]

you get what you pay for. i bought the echoflow delta pro 3 with the delta pro 3 generator on massive sale. i'm not that savvy with electrical stuff and just needed to keep a few things running. i bought a genmax 9000 dual fuel enclosed generator for running in the day. i got such a large genmax because my elderly neighbor will need to recharge her stuff (including an oxygen concentrator) during power outages. did i buy a bigger gas generator than i needed? sure...but, i have found especially dealing with machinery and engines i would rather have more and not need it than have what i thought i needed and didn't have that extra when i desperately had to have it. my set up is not just about practicality, it's about peace of mind, flexibility and dependability. also, with the echoflow i will be buying solar panels for that triple threat i really want.

[@SquashBlossom62]

Thanks for the information. It's helpful to this person whom is investing in power stations and solar panels for camping and charging phones and laptops in power outages. I have questions for you if you're free to give advice.

[@Slaytnc]

Bought a eco flow delta 2 $498 dollars in the us …I’ve had it for 4 months it’s awesome

[@magickladycj]

Thank you. I am off Grid I have a very small generator and 3 sm power stations. Off Brand is just as good I agree. Although for all people with black outs Buy Deep Cycle Batteries! at least 10! 1 2500 inverter and a good battery charger. Then something to run the battery charger/s Batteries, inverter, charger, generator. easy. that will get you through until they get the power back on.

[@youonlyliveonce6000]

Thank you so much for taking time to help us understand 😀

[@robbiehamilton4424]

I dont see where the scam is? It is a generator when hooked up as you said yourself and its a power bank, still 100% better than a car batt stuck to a jumper pack

[@Solkre82]

I got the Anker Solix F3800 mainly so I can run my well pump when the power is out, and keep the fridge cold. So far I've accumulated 700 Watts of panels, but the output will be lower than that. I plan on getting a small duel-fuel generator that I can use in longer outages to top up the battery if needed. It would handle my house during the night, quietly and with no fumes. I can generator/solar during the day. As with many things in life, a balance between options seems ideal. Now if I can find a good way to tap into the 60Kwh battery in my EV...

[@HorseRadish403]

I have solar generator with panels and gas generator. Yes you need panels. People aren't smart for not get panels.😂

[@TheCornucopiaProject-bd5jk]

I am not sure where you found the pricing that you put on the screen. But they are waaay off. I bought the BLUETTI AC200L about 2 months ago for $1199. It’s the latest model with 2kwh capacity. The equivalent EcoFlow is available for 200 bucks more. So knowing that your pricing is double retail makes for poor price comparison. For pretty much any product category you can go with a good name brand, a midfield brand or a no name brand. They all differ in price. Sure, most expensive is not always the best, but cheapest is not guaranteed to be a deal either. Everyone will have to do a little research for themselves. But from my experience everyone eventually goes with a bigger brand product because the others could not keep up. I’d call that learning the hard way.

The small porta power boxes are OK if you just have limited desire for emergency or in the field power.. I see people buying 6 of them and stacking them believing that this is the way to go for whole home backup but for me I believe in the go big or go home idea.. I have an 8kw inverter and 30 kilowatt LiFePo4 battery bank along with a couple gasoline generators and 24 solar panels.. My sister and her husband have a 3,500 watt porta power box that they leave plugged in so it is always ready in case they have to go overnight without the grid power to run a light or the TV/radio and the furnace.. They have been lucky and never had to endure a week without power on several occasions like we have in the rural sticks after a storm but I guess they could take it somewhere and plug it in and charge it up again..

[@tombarnes3240]

So those aren’t generators either….without fuel they do nothing. Same goes for solar generators. Sorry dude your argument wasn’t well thought out.

[@garyjones7044]

Sorry dude but you don't know what you're talking about. I'd like to see you turn gasoline into electricity without a "generator "!

[@nickadamson6053]

And an EcoFlow River 2 generates absolutely nothing. Regardless. It stores energy produced from another source, not just solar. You may be confused about what the word "generator" means.

[@galleeightze1378]

Have you considered using handtools more and power tools less, especially in off grid environment?😊

[@HollisDoesStuff]

You mean... A hammer? Nah, that's crazy talk... :) Its "off grid" but not pioneer style off grid. Just low power requirements, too low for the cost of hooking up to grid.

[@SamJones1337]

Prices on on power stations have come way down. I just bought a Delta 2 for $375. It can do 1800 watts.

[@alainmcin]

Terrible price for little power.....I picked up 2 electric forklift batteries for $1000 each, a 6000 watts pure sine wave inverter charger 120/240 volt for $1000...that is 42 kW @C/6...at C/20 like most solar is rated, it is over 64 kW, that can run my house for a week with left over power...my suggestion is to find industrial batteries with an inverter/charger and solar panels....I have a diesel genny as a backup that can recharge those batteries....I could go offgrid indefinitely

[@joycewedel9084]

Ty. I would love to watch your cabin off grid home.

[@jonathanmardukas5940]

I don't personally own any Ecoflow products, but one very particular benefit I could potentially see to their ecosystem, is one I find very appealing. How their duel fuel generator interacts with their power station. Having the ability to automatically kick in the duel fuel when batteries drop to a level defined by the user, is outrageously convenient. I wish ALL the manufacturers had a battery level external trigger that could provide an autostart/stop to a generator.

[@HollisDoesStuff]

Yes, definitely an ideal setup, but not cheap. Great idea for full time off grid when paired with solar panels.

[@jonathanmardukas5940]

@@HollisDoesStuff For sure not cheap AT ALL

[@AnthonyMichaels-g9s]

You are mostly gearing your plan towards short term outages. And that is fine. But in the situation we are in today with Western Countries who are on the brink of economic collapse, civil unrest and other issues, It is probably a good idea to think about a longer term outage plan. If you have a grid down for any length of time, you won't be able to get ANY fuel (amongsts other things) because gas and diesel both have to be pumped (electric) and also the stations are all reliant on power to operate. The best combination is have some solar panels, a large enough sized inverter and batteries (or "solar generator") based on your needs and also a generrator which runs on propane/natural gas and gas. Most of the time after weather related power outages,, often times the natural gas service is still available. Propane is just as good, and it has in indefinite shelf life unlike liquid fuels, and with a motorized generator you can run many more hours off a cleaner source of fuel (instead of gasoline) in a carbureated single cylinder motor.

[@segundacuenta726]

This.

[@jbabe3282]

That's why for my second generator I'm bumping up to a 8750 inverter from a 7500 generator to protect sensitive equipment.already have a LT 14 30 HOUSE CONNECTOR and had my 200 amp service redone after 19 years. New code requires outside shut off. Which you put a lock on. Eco flo good for the wives.

[@jasonbroom7147]

Some lessons can only be learned the hard way. As with all products, you generally get what you pay for, although it's true some products are also overpriced. When you REALLY understand this stuff, you build your own, so you not only know the quality of components that went into it, but how to service your solution, if need be.