How to Pick the BEST Portable Power Station for YOU *Unsponsored*

[@TheAlphaWavePodcast]

Came for a product recommendation. Left a certified electrician.

[@VincentBeckwithJIB]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jeepgirladventures3658]

😂😂😂

[@Bushlove420]

hahaha

[@waingrobro]

which product does he think is the best? The Bluetti?

[@Michelle-n7f]

😁

[@vernroach3413]

Semi retired HVAC man here...Most excellent video...I learned a lot...More than anywhere else, and I've looked...Thank you.

[@UPdan]

I think a 600w and a 1500w cover most of my needs but once you buy one, you can't stop. I have 4 now.

[@jamesmichaelcabrera9613]

Lol I have 3 now but I use them all I still need to buy panels tho

[@mtdewyx]

1500-1800 will do it all. W/ 400 watt panel total

[@dananorris6242]

I have two!😄

[@IamWanderwoman]

Lol

[@AlvaroGonzalez_Andor]

​@@KillKill03Well, it depends... Do you game on a Nintendo Switch or in a full fledged dual 4k screen gaming PC rig? Knowing how much power does your setup consume in the socket would help ❤️

[@lindacondray7918]

Adding a comment for the algorithm. BEST “review” video I’ve ever seen for these types of devices. THANK YOU!

[@ReeWrayOutdoors]

Thank you! Very sincerely appreciated!

[@angiedixon8017]

Agreed

[@johnbaldwin143]

I have to agree an in-depth look at battery technology is beyond most preppers.

[@Drcudar]

Reminds me of Paul’s Hardware

[@IncurablyCreative]

Best review roundup of portable power stations from me also. Lots of excellent points, concise and informative. Also appreciate that it’s not sponsored. I’ve been too trusting of a few KZbin channels and wish I’d seen this before I ended up buying two Jackery devices and solar panels. Sigh. Can’t say that I’m impressed so far and it’s been an expensive mistake to make. So you now have a new subscriber. Thank you 🤩

[@pacman4568]

When it comes to recharging your power pack, while camping. Take it with you to the local pub covered up in a bag. Find a table next to a power outlet and plug your power pack in while having a few relaxing beers. 😃😃😃

[@OziBlokeTimG]

Brilliant idea 💡

[@jamescollinson2456]

That used to be known as theft.

[@christinerose5297]

@@jamescollinson2456 not if you ask permission

[@aluminiumsloep]

That's why pubs remove outlets near tables

[@downsouthproductions6333]

I'd opt more for a Starbucks or coffee shop with a laptop since you wont be the only one or out of place

[@Mama_esta_presa]

I loved how you only brought up liking the video once you presented a good chunk of information and honestly asked for those who considered the information you presented as valuable to do so, it comes up as a honest reminder / request rather than the usual way people do it. Thank you.

[@Drmikekuna]

I have been a part-time van dweller since 2018 when I converted a Promaster cargo van with my friend's help. Because of this, I have been deeply entrenched in the topic of solar generators. My first unit was a Goal Zero AGM; I now have a Pecron. I'm very pleased with the Pecron, which doesn't offer a lot of bells and whistles but has really solid performance. It powers my electric needs, including a 12v fridge, roof fan, induction hotplate, and even a small (600-watt) microwave. I keep it charged with 400 watts of solar on my roof, and about 90% of the time, the solar is sufficient to keep me going on extended trips. Recently, I was camped in a shaded area (over 95F, so I chose shade over solar), and I had to charge my system by alternate means, but that is the exception instead of the rule. Going the route of a solar generator saved me a lot of headaches when I was building my van out (instead of building my own system). Everything came in one package, and everything was matched to work properly. All of this is not why I'm writing this post. I just wanted to compliment you on your excellent presentation. It was clear, well-organized, comprehensive, and accurate (at least based on my knowledge). You are a fantastic teacher. I'm not sure what you do for your day job, but you should be doing something where you are instructing others, as you have a real gift in that area. Keep up the excellent work.

[@ReeWrayOutdoors]

Thank you for the kind words 🙏. Very sincerely appreciated.

[@Spunky.Streams]

The two of you are both profoundly inspirational. This is my first week in my new home, 2007 Toyota Highlander (still building out the camper). Very grateful for this video, but one question: Unfortunately I am mentally disabled and have been unable to earn income for the passed 6 months. Due to complications with my insurance I was unable to collect any new benefits- so this adventure is a dream but also happening out of necessity (cannot afford a new lease+credit has been demolished). With about $40 left in my pocket Im staying on BLM land (luckily have more than enough gear and supplies for 2-weeks). If you had to redo the video to state the best possible powet station solution- while on the tightest of budgets, which would you recommend (and why, if you will 😅)?? Thank you for your kindness in sharing your wisdom. Will follow up when I release my channel! 🕊️🤗

[@Drmikekuna]

I really like the Pecron brand. However, now is the time to catch a deal with all of the black Friday sales this month. . I’m sure there are many sales on the major brands.

[@wheepingwillow24u17]

I COMMEND YOU ON YOUR BRAVERY BUT I HAVE A QUESTION: WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHEN THERE IS NO FUEL FOR YOUR TRAVEL HOME? ARE YOU JUST GOING TO PARK IT SOMEWHERE AND LIVE OFF THE SUN? THANKS

[@Drmikekuna]

@@wheepingwillow24u17 Always have backups. There are no emergenies for those who are prepared.

[@rodh2168]

Well organized and well spoken. I've waded through many videos doing my due diligence before making a power station purchase and found yours to be the most informative and thoughtful. I didn't need to be entertained by a hokey accent nor wanted to try to decipher an unprepared and confusing presentation. You weren't trying to entertain me. You were trying, and succeeded, to inform me. I look forward to your other videos. Thank you.

[@heXbelongs2me]

We have used the kzbin.infoUgkxOTeIs0vv4_9B5hsmnLsk9r930uDQLu_Y for probably 30 hours with our camper and it’s been great! The noise level is really only noticeable when running the AC and other appliances like the microwave, hair dryer, or coffee pot. It’s not huge like other ones and it has wheels so even at 90lbs, I can move it!

[@beebop4333]

WOW, that is huge. How close are other campers?. Can they hear that running all night?

[@heathers510]

This has been so helpful! My husband has an LVAD, (heart pump) and he will ALWAYS need to be connected to batteries or a wall outlet in order to live! Scary. So we are looking at multiple options to have for him in case of emergencies. Generator, portable power, etc. This really helped me wade through the portable power units in order to make an informed decision. Thank you!

[@mandymorrison5039]

Very wise of you! I’m praying for you and your husband right now. I have debilitating health issues, so I get how hard it is to have to constantly consider SO many things. Praying for you now and sending you sincere love. 😊💕❤️

[@heathers510]

@@mandymorrison5039 Thank you! That’s very kind. I’ll pray for you as well. 🙏🏻💗🙏🏻

[@mandymorrison5039]

@@heathers510 Awww thank you so much! I truly appreciate it!! 😊🥰💕❤️

[@samaelmartinus3273]

Which one did you go with? I need one for my cpap machine. Sleeping while a storm came unexpectedly. Woke up w suffocating feeling and heart rate 160 😢 Thought I was ..... well any way glad it went back down to 70 but it was scary

[@yuriykorenyak2351]

@@samaelmartinus3273 I could recommend EcoFlow River 2 Pro. But it has a fan which makes some noise.

[@kencrawford9199]

THIS is what the Internet was originally designed for. For experts to educate us. So rare these days to find exactly this. Excellent job my friend, I came here looking for some information, found it, and then some. This should be required viewing before anyone is allowed to post a vid on KZbin.

[@iwdbuckley]

This was the most clear, informative video I’ve ever watched. Amazing!

[@PattymacMakes]

I have a collection of ecoflow stations that I bought primarily as emergency back up power. One thing I can say about that is it is very much like camping when you’re home in an extended outage so maybe that has something to do with the silly marketing. I don’t really know. If l had it to do over I would have concentrated on the larger, expandable Delta line and less on the small River line. Though I love the River for it’s light weight and ease of use to power lights or computer in an outage. I run my Delta’s now to power my fridge and freezers on solar pass through. It reduces my grid consumption and gives me a clear idea of what needs to be done in an emergency situation. My most recent purchase is the Delta2 with a 2000wh expansion battery. Running that with 2 190w HQST panels will run the fridge perpetually as long as the weather cooperates. Your point about max solar input is critically important. I have a River pro with the add on battery which is an 1400wh but I can only load it with 200w solar so it’s generally a two day process to recharge that set up. It’s great for some things but I much prefer the Delta line for home use. I didn’t know anything about any of this when I started, and I still don’t fully understand the specifics. I’m not an electrician. But I can understand my power stations snd how best to use them.

[@johnmcvicker6728]

Can you imagine if people simply put appliances on a solar-fed backup battery instead of grid? Would be a great thing. I have Solar PV for the whole house, grid-tied. Sure, it cost tens of thousands and balances out the costs by using net-metering. But for those who cannot take a tax credit or just want to lower some of their grid costs, doing a small micro-grid with a small battery and a few modules would be great to see for sustainability. As long as the battery is high cycle count using LFP.

[@trevorwinderlich4907]

Hi, are those models that you mentioned are they all Ecoflow solar battery systems. We have been thinking of getting an Ecoflow, the biggest model with an extra battery pack, but I am not convinced that they would be sufficient for any long term power blackout, especially during the winter months when there is not much sunlight. Interested to know your thoughts please. I realise that it all depends on what your power usage is on a daily basis.

[@bcmmike]

Great point. Part of the reason I bought what I bought was the units solar charging capacity.

[@ClarkyMalarky]

Just build a power bank , you can get cheap lithium for like 275$/ per 100 amp. Whatever an eco flow can give you build for 1/4 the price by just watching a few KZbin’s. Easier then you think

[@PattymacMakes]

@@ClarkyMalarky I don't understand how to do the wiring and all the parts I need. I've watched several videos on doing it, but I'm not an electrician and don't understand all the details to do my own build. And I don't have power tools to build setups to hold the parts. If I could figure it out, I would set up Power Queen batteries to run my freezers but I don't understand how to get the solar into the batteries.

[@solutionsagent]

Absolutely knocked it out of the park with the clear and useful information, thank you!

[@Doc1985]

This is the best explanation I have ever heard of what to consider when purchasing a power station! Your clarification is succinct, detailed, clear, and most helpful--thank you!

[@tailoredsuits]

Just found your channel. We are getting a ton of power outages and I’m shopping the Black Friday sales to find the perfect portable generator. You have an incredible ability to shared the information in a easy way to understand it. I’m incredibly thankful for your advice. Thank you! 😊.

[@time2maked0hnutz54]

The Most Thorough Review & Explanation on these things, Especially the Samples of its Uses. Most of the ppl that Review these things throw out Electrical Lingos that a Green Horn like me who grew up licking 9 volt batteries don't have a clue wtf they're talking about. This is a Refreshing & insightful to watch. Thank You Sir, Keep up the Great Work!!!

[@juszczaq]

Can’t thumbs up this enough times. There’s so many bullshit review or guide videos out there, which will never get into the practical details. Yet they’re chalk full of irrelevant info. But this one - amazing works and such great and relevant information.

[@ReubenCornell]

FINALLY an unsponsored video - thank god.

[@chartmann43]

MAN! You have NO idea how much you’ve HELPED me figure this out! ❤❤❤thank you so much!

[@joshua.harazin]

A minor consideration when using a kill-a-watt to calculate your power needs: Temperature can play a big role, so the watt-hours you're measuring in your room-temperature home may be different from what you'll see outdoors. My CPAP (with humidifier) uses more than twice as much power below 40°. Refrigerators will use much more power in hot weather.

[@ReeWrayOutdoors]

Excellent point! I do typically try to point out the ambient temperature my numbers were recorded at when I cite them...especially for things like DC fridges. But the CPAP didn't occur to me. :P

[@johnmcvicker6728]

@@ReeWrayOutdoors Even EV vehicles have big energy-use differences. An EV car below 20*F will give a real range of 50-60% of summer range. Also, in hot weather if using AC in a vehicle and battery is keeping itself cool, range is also lost. It is so much like human factors - where we like 68-72*F. So do EVs.

[@ReeWrayOutdoors]

@johnmcvicker6728 yeah I watched an interesting video on the impact of running A/C on EV range. Seems that the typical impact (if there is one that's typical) is probably only between 3 to 7% of range...depending on all the obvious variables.

[@johnmcvicker6728]

@@ReeWrayOutdoors Resistive heating - much worse on range vs A.C. in summer. I have a 2011 Volt - newer EVs use heat pumps and reduce range-loss somewhat. But ambient temps alone take away capacity of Li-Ion NCM and LFP battery systems. If you want to geek out - and if you live near Michigan, check into the dual trade-show 'The Battery Show" and "The EV Tech Expo" in mid-Sept in Novi Michigan.

[@janeclark5897]

I looking for something to charge 2 cpaps with humidifiers. Help?

[@susanlewis1875]

I was just thinking about searching your video catalog for info like this and - voila! - it pops up tonight! Now I just need to watch it 6 or 8 more times to understand it, and I'm ready to go! I'd like to be living vanlife by Spring.

[@suzannebinsley5940]

For me not for vanlife, but for at least a little emergency backup. Working when you come home at night it stinks when the power goes out. I want a little one for emergency lights, then to work forward from that.

[@alainleger8973]

Best overview I have had so far, the power position in South Africa has become challenging with 2 to 4 periods of 2 hours each daily when power is off- This is becoming a real test for my Ecoflow, , not camping, not for emergency, but to fill in for the failing grid and preparing for when the grid may collapse, with no power for days or weeks. will have to get more Lithium Iron phosphate batteries as I -expect to lose 20% pa of the Li-Ion battery capacity at the current number of cycles used as well as going for the maximum possible solar cells and maximum battery size in case of being out of grid power for days- already,the grid has the problem of numberless inverters all coming to recharge the moment power comes back- we may end up like South Australia where 60% of houses run on solar-the country may end up running its homes with portable stations, it will not be like current 3 phase 60A supply! 19:33

[@kennethburke5827]

The UK is not far behind South Africa because of the insane "Net Zero" policy and because Ed Milliband is a religious Cult fanatic who believes in Climate Change. The load shedding planning here is for something like 24 levels whee 1 is 3 hours of load shedding per 24 hours and level 24 is a total shutdown of the grid. The vast majority of Native-born Brits have done no planning for the coming rolling blackouts and they say, "It will never happen here". Meanwhile we are paying the highest price of any OECD country for electricity to pay subsidies to wind farms and solar which will never be able to supply the country's needs reliably 24/7/365. If the gas turbines are shut down to "save the planet" we will be truly screwed. A large power station plus maximum battery add-ons plus as much solar as possible would be a wise investment for anyone in the UK right now.

[@chriscorduck2077]

Your video is by far the best to explain products versus Customer needs

[@mbustin548]

Great video, thank you. Bought a number of small Ecoflow units to serve as power backups in case of a power outage. I was taken by surprise by the fan noise generated , particularly in the bedroom. I wish I knew more this issue before my purchase. I hope you and others can include sound measurements in future reviews. Thanks!

[@miket6094]

Nice to see an unbiased and unsponsored video. Just giving us information. Thank you

[@johnmcclung4736]

Superb rundown! I'm just exploring weekend car camping, this overview is so helpful, thanks!!

[@gutspraygore]

Really great and comprehensive info. My wife runs a food truck business where they typically use gas generators. Over the last few years, it seems these portable power stations are starting to become a viable alternative. We've just been starting to look into it. Cool to know there are 30 amp options too. Good stuff. Thanks for the video. Subscribed!

[@Williamkobe]

Great find! I also recently discovered the convenience of portable power stations for my own outdoor activities. It's amazing how they're becoming a reliable alternative to gas generators. Thanks for the insightful video, definitely subscribing for more useful content!

[@Rich_EDC]

I just jeed a powerstation that can handle a portable a.c and fridge that can use solar power to keep it charging back up. Theres so many options i get overwhelmed. This video does help so thank u

[@RandomFlares]

Clear, concise information… I understand the kind of work that goes into putting a video like this together… I thoroughly enjoyed the information that you presented. Keep up the good work.

[@hitchpost5822]

I finally found the time to sit down and try to absorb this great video. When I saw it come up in my subscription list I was very excited but knew I would need to give it my full attention, I was not disappointed. If you can find the time to produce more videos along this line it would be much appreciated and definitely useful. Thank you for your time.

[@ReeWrayOutdoors]

Thank you sir for the kind words! Sincerely appreciated. And in between reviews, I'm hoping to "how to find the right solar panel for your power station " video out shortly. Hopefully that will be similarly helpful?

[@cindystout750]

@@ReeWrayOutdoors I'd find that extremely helpful. Thanks!

[@pamkelly7796]

Thank you for your practical, insightful, and even humorous insight. I have watched several videos to educate myself before purchasing a solar generator,, and your video has been by far the most helpful. Straight to the point.

[@Electronzap]

Good tips. I got an ecoflow delta a couple years ago to use the microwave for a little while, recool the fridge once in a while, and/or maybe run a window AC unit for a little while. I have smaller solar generator units to run smaller stuff, and/or to top off the ecoflow delta, but I think I'll need to use a DC to DC charger or alternative. plus I have a number of USB only portable units because as a security guard I often work where it's hard to plug in to an outlet. Any of the above can power my phone, Kindle, USB fan and recharge the flashlights I use while doing security. Some of the USB units are powerful enough to top off the medium sized power banks I have via USB to USB C charging. If people are unsure of what to do. I recommend starting small and working your way up. I can happily work an 8 hour shift in the middle of nowhere with just one average portable USB power bank.

[@thecapone45]

I’m not even in the market for a portable generator or anything but I still find it enjoyable to listen to this lol.

[@jeniasip9417]

I bought the Cheapest Jackman for about $300 Abt 3yrs ago and I use it to run lights, at night events. It works perfect for the 6-7 hrs I need it. Never had a issue!

[@cah0261]

For me, you threaded the needle exactly. The content was easy to follow (I'm pretty slow), but thorough enough to answer my questions. Thank you!

[@williamolsen8517]

Super helpful. I am figuring out what my needs are for weekend use. I appreciate the no hype and explanation of battery chemistry.

[@amyfreeze9772]

😮this makes so much sense! Thank you. I do recommend that when you discuss math, you have it show on the screen each time. ie coffee maker uses X + cpap use X + cell phone use X= X total daily usage.

[@AMDouglas]

I appreciate your concerns for safety - I will only buy LFP now.

[@niksgee3538]

I have eco flow river 2 with eco worthy 100 watt portable solar panel. It works well for me in my small van. Just went away for four days. I got 120 watts imput from my 100 watt panel. Works great for me. I use igloo for a fridge. TV 12v tablet to type with keyboard case. Rechargeable lights. Charge up phone. Rechargeable jbl radio. Works well for me. Nutribullet go usb blender. I cook on gas.

[@jasonbroom7147]

You covered a lot of ground in a relatively concise video. For anyone out there who is in this market, and feels overwhelmed by the choices available to you, it's probably worth your time to watch this video several times, to narrow down what features are going to satisfy your personal needs.

[@twloughlin]

Agreed. A friendly suggestion would be to add chapter markings to make finding specific discussion points easier.

[@berrywr1]

My decision boils down to solar input and how long each day can I depend upon it. I live in the woods and at best i have 3 to 4 hours of sun available with little or no shade. Winter time the sun is below the top of my south facing trees, the good news being no leaves after mid November. If I can recharge a 2560 wH battery in a single day, it be worth it.

[@hoze11959]

​@SnittyKittys So, which one are you going to or have already purchased?

[@jasonbroom7147]

@@hoze11959 I have built one larger power station, two smaller ones, numerous DIY batteries, and recently installed a complete 24v system, with 8,000wh of battery capacity and a 1,500w solar array.

[@busterhyman6633]

First time I've seen one of your videos. I instantly became a fan when you described how one needs to know why they are buying one and when you pointed out the silly marketing pictures that every company is putting in play with tents and cook tops and heavy power stations. You're so spot on. Great information.

[@mitchmoe6224]

As an electrician looking for a power station, I thought I found what I needed. That is until I watched your video 😅 .... I had a couple of teachers like you during my 5 year apprenticeship, and I felt accomplished afterward. Great job breaking down the differences. You had lots of great information, especially the different battery types, which I didn't know much about. I work on mostly industrial automation, only one small solar project so that a train depot I ran could say they were green 🙄 Regardless, it was a great presentation. Thank you. Now I need to find something different and I am sure more expensive.

[@DouglasRichardson-er4ky]

... I worked for SMA in Kassel Germany for some time they are the worldwide leader in solar inverters. They started out as a light rail train company same basic technology fuels both IGBTs power is the BEST no matter of your opinion on renewable energy electric power created and used locally is super cool 😎🫵🏼☀️

[@dalefranquemont6737]

I tried to hang in there, and did manage to understand some of this. The spreadsheet is especially helpful. I will have to listen again to try to get the parts I didn't understand

[@jeffmcclain]

Good video for folks looking at picking up their first small/mid sized generator. One other thing that I think is pretty important if you are serious about wanting to recharge via solar, when selecting BOTH your portable power station AND your solar input is sizing the panels to your input. There are SOOOOO many things on the panel matching that will very likely make you NOT able to get your maximum input as stated on your portable power station. For example, the Bluetti AC180 has a 500W rated solar input (in an 12-60V @ 10A max). That means you will need something that is AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE to 50V @ 10A to hit that 500W number in your panels (and the Voc or open circuit voltage of your panel needs to fit inside that 60V max, even though you will likely be running a Vmp or max power ~15% below that). This is going to be VERY hard to find in a panel that hits the full 500W for all specs. For example, the PV350 foldable panel from Bluetti can only do 350W (Vmp 37.5v@9.2A) in FULL SUN. And it doesn't even recommend the PV400 for that AC180 generator, because that requires >10A current for max supply current to hit 400W, but, you can "over panel" and exceed current specs as long as Voc is not >60v and that actually is a good plan if you need as much solar charging as possible, since many cloudy days might not get you full 100% potential sunlight (i.e. it is easier to hit 350W charging on a 400W panel than a 350W panel)...still, the 5x rule for solar time kW panel rating is reasonable, since you would only need a max 200W panel to recharge a full 1kWh generator, but don't think you can just throw 500W at this generator and charge it in like 2 hours mid-day. You won't find a panel combo that works...even paired up from the mfg... Anyway, from my experience, the smaller the portable power station, the less range/flexibility you have in coupling to solar panels to eek out those max numbers. Ecoflow Delta 2, for example, is the same 500W max, but in 11-60v @15A max, so you have a little more ability to hit that 500W number via parallel configured panels (still, even 6x 100W panels are typically going to just BARELY be able to max out 500W in a 2S3P config and still fit in the

[@waschell1]

sounds like I have no hope of understanding how to get the best performance since that is Greek to me

[@CharlieM-l2h]

I finaly understand something about these portable solar units ... Thank's and I subscribed and I'll watch for more of your video's . Good Job !!

[@charlotteryner6583]

So glad I found this video! I am looking for a solar emergency power option and really didn't know what all the info meant. I will definitely watch this again and I'm sure it will be a huge part of my decision making process. Thank you! 😊

[@Sagivisrael]

Love the video. No endorsements, no recommendations, no sales pitch or partnerships. Just pure info for me to do the math and decide the best one for myself💪🏽💪🏽

[@junkerzn7312]

Other things to consider: * The output voltage of the "12V" varies depending on the brand. The ideal output voltage is 13.6V to 13.8V but many brands output 13.2V or 12.8V or 12.6V (for example). The lower output voltages can cause serious problems for many devices and/or significantly reduce the amount of power you can pull from the port. * Efficiencies. Note that most power stations are extremely inefficient, particularly when considering going from a solar input all the way to an AC output. The MPPT charge controller built into nearly all power stations is only 85%-90% efficient, whereas a discrete charge controller like a Victron is typically 98% efficient. Inverter output efficiency is typically also only around 85% so the end-to-end efficiency from solar to AC output or from a charger to AC output is typically 72% or worse. AC outputs also have a continuous vampire draw, typically anywhere from 10W to 20W, which drastically reduce battery life, and DC outputs also have efficiency losses due to being regulated (though in this case they are typically around 90% efficient). * Expansion batteries. In virtually all situations where you might ever want to use expansion options with a power station, you are going to be throwing money down the drain because that is the point where you really need to start thinking about discrete solutions. Not only do power stations have large efficiency losses, but you also have a single point of failure whereas with a discrete solution you have far better efficiency and maintainability. And, more importantly, as you start sizing up the discrete solution will be far cheaper whereas you start paying through the nose using power station expansions. And there are severe limits. * All power stations have piles of quirks, all different, and it can be quite annoying. For example, the bluetti's sometimes don't restart charging if the MPPT input voltage goes out-of-spec and then back into spec, without hitting 0V first. The GoLabs turn off their outputs after a time and have low 12V output voltages. The EcoFlow's have low output voltages and horrible fan operation. And the list goes on. Suffering through all the quirks in a small system is usually doable, but in a larger system they can cause you to hit a brick wall later on as you continue to use and expand it.

[@t4rainier]

Good Info I had the same experience with some of mine. Also I use my power stations alot and already notice the reduced 20 percent capacity on my older batteries.

[@davidparnell6272]

With all that being said do you have any specific recommendations

[@junkerzn7312]

@@davidparnell6272 Use power stations as a convenience, in truly portable applications such as in a camper or vehicle. But don't use power stations to try to run a house or large RV or in any situation where you might desire to expand the system over time. That's the lesson. Large power stations are mostly a waste of money and large power stations with expansion batteries are definitely a waste of money. For larger systems....for running a house or an RV or any large or fixed installation, use a discrete solution. That means buy the LFP batteries, charge controllers for the solar, inverters for the AC, along with appropriate cabling, fusing, and breakers, and learn how to wire them together safely. (Battery packs with built-in BMSs can be purchased easily these days, there is no need for people to build batteries from raw cells these days). You want maximum flexibility and maximum maintainability, so it is best to have redundancy. Noah's ark style. At least two battery packs (put in parallel, 48VDC recommended), two solar panel strings each going into a charge controller (two charge controllers), and two inverters (inverters would be discrete, running different loads, their outputs are not wired together and can't be anyway). For whole-house full residential-sized systems, hybrid inverters such as a Sol-Ark are also an option, but if you go this route you still want at least two and the very best ones can be cost prohibitive. So YMMV. You have to go with a hybrid inverter if you want grid backup. But for off-grid the discrete options are usually far less expensive. -- Now, being able to build these systems does require doing your home-work and knowing enough not to electrocute yourself, but otherwise it is pretty basic. And to be perfectly honest, you need the same knowledge even with the power-station route to avoid doing something truly dangerous with the power stations. * Proper fusing. Match fusing to maximum possible valid load + 25%. And no greater than what the cables/wires can handle. * Proper use of DC breakers. Max breakers to maximum possible load or slightly higher. And no greater than what the cables/wires can handle. (Note: Fusing is typically sized higher than breakers. You only want fuses to blow if something really goes wrong). * Proper cable sizes. Depends on amperage. 48VDC allows using smaller wires and cables. For example, a 2 gauge main battery cable is fine if you never pull more than 100A (4.8kW at 48VDC). Most bus distribution wiring can be 10 gauge with 20-30A breakers, etc. Always check ampicity. The battery box should be appropriately fused and have its own master breaker. Always use DC breakers for DC wiring and don't ignore any polarity markings. It should be noted that just because the batteries might have far greater current carrying capabilities... for example, two EG4 rack-mounts in parallel can do 200A continuous and 600A burst. That does NOT mean you size breakers and fuses to that capability. You always size breakers and fuses to the maximum possible real load that is less than the wiring and battery limits, NOT to the maximum capaiblities of the batteries. * Solar panels must be sized for the charge controllers and battery voltage. I recommend the Victron Smart MPPT 100/20. The operating solar voltage would have to be 60V or higher to properly run a 48VDC battery system. This typically means, for example, three 12/24V panels (20V+ operating voltage per panel) in series or two residential panels (30V+ operating voltage per panel) in series. The open-circuit voltage of the panels in series must of course be less than the maximum voltage specification of the charge controller. In the case of a Victron 100/20, that would be 100V. * Redundancy is always good because it makes the system robust and gives you options when things break in the field. So, for example, 6 x 100W panels in two strings of 3 panels each, each string going into a discrete charge controller.

[@_Colie]

@@davidparnell6272 I was thinking the same, "who's the winner?" lol

[@wonderousearth8225]

Hello Junkzern Could you please let me know what you recommend for a house fridge, microwave, TV Washing machine. I was thinking about purchasing the delta pro 2 possibly with back up battery. I'm in Australia so Bluetti is more expensive If you have any information this would be extremely appreciated Thank you

[@eclectic.elements11]

This is so helpful! Thank you so much for all this information! I will now be able to make the educated decision on a power station AND how much solar I really need. Very very helpful!

[@retnav92]

I've been putting my EF Delta 2 to the test during "camping" (glamping?) trips in our 5x9 squaredrop trailer. Typical trip is 3-4 nights. Used primarily to run the 12v 48qt fridge/freezer, and occasional cups of coffee from the Keurig. Once the Delta 2 gets down to around 25% I charge it via a portable inverter generator, which entails also bringing a small can of fuel for it (just in case). This Friday I'm expecting delivery of a Delta 2 Max, which should take care of not having to use the invertor generator. However, I'll still take the generator and 2gal fuel can, because...you never know what'll happen, and I like backup stuff handy. Oh, subscribed now. :)

[@gerald4nomads]

I still prefer to carry my Honda eu2200i along with my ecoflow Delta 2 to store the energy from my Honda for longer run time. A Honda eu2200i, along with an ecoflow Delta2, is the best combination for the weekend

[@grannia1]

I experienced my first tornado on Wednesday, 5/22 TempleTX. I have a CAT power inverter enough to power a small tv and keep two phones charged. That lasted about 9 hours, to my surprise. I need something that will power an oxygen tank and refrigerator along with other surviving appliances appliances during a power outage. This video gives me a start on how to choose an emergency home power source. Thank you

[@zodaguado6655]

I have a wetown 1500, I bought it for my new Samsung 28cu fridge, it runs fridge for 13 (awesome) hours and takes an hour and 20 mins to charge back to full with my gas inverter generator… got this for earthquakes hurricanes loss of electricity emergency, these new fridges consume less electricity, before I had a smaller 24cu whirlpool and it only lasted 11 hours

[@dustydawson8977]

Thank God i didnt make the mistake most made, i bought 2 Titans and i cant be happier 3 yrs later. 3000w output each,2000 watt solar input,1500watt ac input,240 watt car input,unlimited exspansion,heaviest piece 30#, 1 can run my whole house 120v, tt30 amp rv output. Can run any battery chemisty,lead acid,gel,lithium. Nope not cheap, but I didnt spend anymore than those who bought multiple machines that are BS,and i got my 30% ffederal rebate. Think 50 times, buy once,enjoy your decision

[@frankm2588]

One thing not covered was the charging. The Jackerys, at least the one I have, charges with a low voltage DC adapter while ones like the Ecoflow, which I also have, plug directly into house current. Therefore the Jackery can't be used as a UPS battery which will just start powering something automatically while the Ecoflow can.

[@mrrustygray]

Discovered I can link my Bluetti EB3 to my EcoFlow River. Real world utility. Power outage a garage door. Used my flashlight in a dark garage. Unplugged the door opener and plugged into Bluetti EB3A. Thus able to pull the 13k out to fire up and run the whole house.

[@verticalift]

That was exactly the video I had been looking for. Many thanks for posting.

[@bcmmike]

We did our research and bought a small (700 w) unit to learn the ropes, and to throw in the truck for camping, etc. I'm glad we did as we learned alot with this small unit that allowed us to make a better decision when the time came to get a larger one. We now have 3 and are looking to keep expanding as funds allow.

[@morphergaming0531]

Excellent vid, very clear on how to calculate needs. I had learned this on a couple of other vids but they didn't spell out the need to calculate hours of sun time to charge. Thank you for a concise clearly spoken review

[@apeweaver]

Refreshing and direct. Glad I have not committed to buying a station yet. The watt meter suggestion is outstanding. Considering all the variables in portable power is challenging, especially if one wants to work remotely on the road. And nice job on lampooning the marketing.

[@josephmurolo5656]

Absolutely fantastic “needs” review to help frame the features, that typical customer need. Thanks!

[@thepixelcatcher]

Was about to purchase the Jackery Explorer 300 with the (less safe) lithium-ion battery but after watching this video I decided to go with the Jackery 300 Plus with LiFePO4 battery instead. The Explorer was $289 here in Canada but I picked up the 300 Plus with a 40W solar panel for $459--after discount. Here in Canada that would probably be considered a 'good deal' or at least the best price I could find. You're right about the safety factor though, in the rare event a regular battery fails it could burn down my home or set my car on fire. Kind of worth the extra few dollars for peace of mind. The extended battery life is just a bonus.

[@beckmanchilds756]

Loved the way you explained everything. Very detailed and encompassing so many things that a lot of people would never cover. Don't usually comment And subscribe but this definitely deserves it!

[@xmorphe6356]

Hey fam! What would you guys think the best portable station would be for motorcycle camping? List of things I would be charging #2 phones #1 Samsung pad #2 mobile wi-fi #2 headlamps #1 flashlight #1 hair straightener 10min a day "my girl" That's it,,,we are motorcycle touring Japan for the next few years,, there's excellent infrastructure,so not always needed,but in the last 2 months we have needed something several times,,,we are one a ktm 1290 sas,it has charging,but I don't want to wear the battery out,,,we have full side and too cases,so we can carry weight, mostly we need a smaller station and possibly the solar charger,,,thanks ahead of time,,,p S amazing channel!!!

[@UmpTSquat]

This was extremely helpful and insightful. You touched on and explained several points I had not considered. I am not necessarily going to buy a portable solar generator. I'm more of a DIY person. I have built some smaller scale portable battery banks, and I'm working on a 280Ah solar generator now. But these topics that you touched on are no less valuable to me and others as they fit in the category of solar power, general knowledge topics. "You don't yet know what you don't know." That is a very accurate and impactful statement. My version is, "You don't know how much you know, until you know how much you don't know." That rule is one of many that I live by daily.

[@xXIronPeachesXx]

Thank you for putting in so much effort to save me my valuable time and money. I value your sacrifices ❤

[@Bobrogers99]

A lot of good info here! A couple of vloggers in France were provided with Ecoflow units, and they stated that Ecoflow's warranty repairs are nonexistant in Europe. They both had power stations that failed, and they had to make other arrangements for electric power.

[@johnwang9914]

Some smart plugs have energy monitoring features. The good thing about the smart plugs over a oower meter is that you can minitor them from your phone and often regardless of your location so you can push that refrigerator back into it's spot without fear of blocking the power meter display. I found this out when I bought a bundle of two Kasa smart plugs to learn had I gone up one model, they would've had energy monitoring and the costs wasn't very much at all. You may not want Alexa to be able to turn off your refrigerator but being able to monitor your fridge's energy use for cheap and from your phone is worth it, just keep your kids away from playing with Alexa.

[@larryware1]

Excellent overview on the characteristics of various power stations and their limitations. I would suggest that once a person lands on a power station that they put it into daily use to find out just what it will run and for how long. Also good to try solar charging it a various times of the year and under different sky conditions to see how well that works. Great information. Thank you.

[@doug2587]

Very helpful video! Thank you! @8:00... Quick tweak on Usable math... Divide by 0.8 instead of multiplying by 1.2 because 80% of 1800W is a bit less than the 1467W desired; 1440W. Gets worse as numbers get bigger. Yes, matters much more on constant-on power draw like LED lights. In finance, this is Markup vs Margin... impacting bottom line.

[@macmcleod1188]

I'm very happy with my EBL Voyager 1000 and solar panels. I don't know about durability but it was $700 total and can run a 5000btu unit for two hours, a refrigerator for 10 hours (and I may have the freezer set too cold), a chest freezer for over 24 hours, and it recharges in about 6 hours (I get 140w from the panels). I seem to be more able to learn about solar now that I'm actually using it. I'm looking at some "just add the battery" kits now. There is one for $499 that can take up to 3k worth of batteries and you can replace every part of it so it looks attractive. One feature I *do* know I want now is the ability to provide power while charging. The EBL cannot do this. It only provides about 10 watts while charging (so you could charge a phone). It won't drive a 35w fan.

[@macmcleod1188]

Revisiting this 10 months later and the ebl has been helpful in getting me through a 10-day power outage. I'm only getting about a 60% charge due to I partially overcast sky and that gives me 2 hours of refrigerator add 2 hours of freezer. If I spaced those out they will buy me 10 hours of freezer and refrigerator if I don't open them except while plugged in. But the main uses for the power station have been the light, recharging cell phones, and plugging in my gas stove so I can use the piezoelectric starter. The first couple days when I had a lot of energy they helped me save about $10 worth of propane per day but as it got hotter and I ran out of steam I just relied on the propane generator more and more. Now I'm using about 30 to even 40.00 worth of propane per day but I still managed to use at least 300 watts from the battery every day for various random tasks. The LED lighting has been particularly interesting because it doesn't seem to drain the battery at all. I can run the LED for 10 hours and the percentage on the meter doesn't change so I'm betting with only 5% you could get 10 hours of lighting every day for 6 days, maybe even more.

[@macmcleod1188]

Oh I just remembered I also used it for my electric shaver for about 45 minutes over the course of 3 days it didn't seem to use much power at all. I've been happy with the ebl bill quality and it was really nice the first night when the power failed. It saved a refrigerator and freezer full of food until the storm passed and I could set up the propane generator outside.

[@ryakkan]

HA!!!! Excellent! Your spreadsheet showed me the exact use case I need and not to mention the exact model of CPAP I have. Thank you.

[@mickhurley7305]

Just wow.. what a super informative, condensed overview of this market. Im interested in using some portable solar setup to charge some small appliances during the summer around the house. I knew nothing about this area 30 mins ago, now I feel comfortable in it, thanks to you. You got a sub.

[@huskypup3489]

If you want to make coffee while camping, a Jet Boil would provide much more energy in less weight than any power station. And for refrigeration, you can use ice in a cooler, backed up by dry ice to keep the ice cold.

[@kekoa1843]

It’d be quite helpful to present a VERY dumbed down version to explain such electronics. Those who already know electronics can figure out what they need w/out watching a vid. Those of us who are illiterate on electronics are completely lost is most everything you said in this vid. I appreciate your effort, though.

[@ilovethewiggle-crypto8033]

put on closed captioned and take notes, that what i did

[@deborahreynolds1552]

New subscriber here, thank you for your information! Best I have seen yet and I have been researching power stations and solar set ups for the past 3 years with the view to living full time in a MH and travelling Australia, great information, easy to understand and the spreadsheet what a bonus, Cheers from Melbourne, Australia!

[@mrhalfstep]

Very, very good video with lots of good and well presented info. I immediately put a link to it in my Battery/Inverter/SolarGen folder. I'd point out that, with a few skills and a very few dollars, a power station's capacity can usually be expanded with a 12.8 volt LiFePO4 battery, so I personally wouldn't place too much value on that built in feature on a power station. Thumbs up from me, on this one, for sure!

[@tompotter7856]

Hi There, Love this video & your teaching style. I do grasp the basic concepts of what you’re saying. However, not being much of an electrician (an understatement! :O) ), my eyes glaze over after a bit. That said, I’m considering buying units that will get me through as much as a 3-day power outage - IF we can afford it. I am considering purchasing 2 separate units, one just for my large fridge, and another unit for things like lamps, laptops & modem. The reason for 2 units is because the fridge would have to connected to the power station constantly, and, hence, would require its own dedicated power station. The second power station will be moved room to room, as needed - again, leaving the other power station solely dedicated to the fridge at all times. Can you please tell me how much power I'd need for the following items: - For just my refrigerator, which uses 637kw/yr, which, assuming my math is correct, comes out to roughly 1745w / day. That equates to, I believe, (rounded up) 73wh. ....and then, for another, separate power station.... - For just the following items: 2 lamps, 2 laptops, 3 PC , monitors, modem, and a small printer. I realize this would vary by specific device, but hoping you can tell me the max I might possibly need for the mentioned items. Never being one to assume, if I find your power recommendations to be out of my budget, can I safely divide by 3 to come up with power requirements for just one day? I GREATLY appreciate your help with this! Tom

[@movingon5951]

The Ecoflow river 2 max that I and others have purchased have serious issues. My 423.00 unit would not charge after the first use, it won't charge with the car adapter or the usb. It's under warranty but the Amazon retailer will not honor the unit. I recommend buying a different brand other than Ecoflow products.

[@Mikey196601]

Your biggest mistake was not buying from the manufacturer, I’ve heard nightmare story’s like this

[@jimibo1]

Who was the Amazon retailer?

[@Mikey196601]

@@jimibo1 , I don’t remember but it wasn’t ecoflow

[@hcho8164]

NMC appear to have higher discharge current than Life4. Hence depending on need it could be beneficial. Like a portable generator to power weed wacker that is wired.

[@twloughlin]

David - at 8:00 your graphic seems to imply that the fridge is running off AC power ["45W (fridge)"]. Wouldn't your fridge be running off DC power? Of course you'd still want a 1kW inverter for the coffee maker, but I don't think you have to account for the 45 watts for the fridge on the AC side since it would be plugged in on the DC side. Or am I missing something? Also, not to be hypercritical, but I think I would have also added a laptop computer into that equation, as almost no one leaves home without their laptop these days. Thanks for doing this. I could nitpick a bit here and there, but overall a solid job. I think the spreadsheet will be a great help for a lot of noobs.

[@ReeWrayOutdoors]

Excellent catch! Yeah, I considered differentiating that, but then it's also quite often the case that the BMS's in these power stations will limit the combined AC+DC continuous output at the rated Inverter max. So typically, it's probably best to be more conservative and estimate your total load from AC and DC as though it was all coming through the inverter.

[@twloughlin]

@@ReeWrayOutdoors Did not know that. Learn something new every day! Thanks!

[@ReeWrayOutdoors]

@twloughlin yeah they don't all do that, but some definitely do.

[@dipstick5869]

Echo Flow Delta Pro with 860W's of Solar panels so far. I live in Louisiana so...... . Nice video and Info, thanks!

[@zahney1225]

Amazing video that everyone should watch ( and prob take notes ) Im a huge Pecron fan and their products work great for me and I feel I get the most bang for the buck. Greatly appreciate the work you put into making this.

[@ReeWrayOutdoors]

Thanks so much for the kind words! :) Sincerely appreciated!

[@JK13A]

Thank you for making such a well thought out video. Learning about this stuff isn't easy and really appreciate good content like this.

[@n3evpn3evp]

For folks that own an all electric car and drive it in very cold weather and are concerned about reducing their range, one of these portable power stations can be used to heat the car's interior using a small AC electric heater. For additional capacity, a LiFePO4 100 Amp/hr can be connected to the power stations.

[@vonheise]

It would have to be very small, as heaters drain one quicker than the wattage would suggest.

[@n3evpn3evp]

@@vonheise I have a Bluetti 70S. It will power my 460 watt electric heater for ~ 40 minutes. If the outside temperature is ~ 40°F, it will keep the interior of my vehicle at least 75°F. For longer run times, I have added a 12 volt, 100 amp/hour LiFeP04 battery to the Bluetti. That will extend the time to ~ 1.5 hours.

[@AJ-qn6gd]

They need a diesel powered heater (Eberspacher etc) to heat the interior, they consume very little electric and diesel 👍🏻🇬🇧

[@ElaiisTaiE]

Your solar w x 5 equation is a good starting point, but also want to consider power usage, if you’re not using 100% of the battery in a day given highest loads, you can go with a smaller array.

[@johnmal5975]

This is all great advice. It took me almost a year to finally buy my pecron. I wanted it for mainly affordable backup for fridge etc.. The solar input is what pushed me off the fence. I wish more companies would get that but a lot don't. They have great specs but charging from the sun is a nightmare.

[@lisalee2885]

I'm like you and want to run those items. How is the Pecon going?

[@johnmal5975]

I am very happy with it. So I bought a second one as well. @@lisalee2885

[@EchoSigma6]

Very informative video coming from a guy that has a small jackary kit with a solar panel bought on the intention of recharging cell phones and providing some lighting at night. I don’t ever recall seeing a video from you before but you remind me of a polite and thoughtful person from Canada. 👍

[@johnmcvicker6728]

The add-on solar PV modules these companies offer are fairly high-priced. I would like to see someone integrate a good module from say wholesalesolar or similar suppliers into a battery system like this. Large modules offer far more charging power for a mid-sized station and certainly would be a better priced option than the vendors' options.

[@angelasoWA]

I started with a 500W, then 2 little jackerys to power lights, then I just grabbed a super deal on the V2 Jackery 1000 for $499 to power our mini fridge to last through power outages here.

[@luxurycardetailingthehamptons]

That was a lot covered in a short video. Great info on figuring out how much capacity and power you might need. One other factor to consider is idle consumption. The numbers you came up with for your weekend getaway would need some adjusting if your power station is using 1% capacity per hour just being turned on.

[@ReeWrayOutdoors]

Yeah in my review videos, I do try to also provide No Load Draw information as well...but in terms of capacity/runtime estimates, that idle consumption is (mostly) baked-in in that usable capacity estimate. Generally, I think about the best you can do is slight overestimate power consumption and underestimate usable capacity due to the inherent variability in power consumption, especially as relates to things like fridges that are affected by ambient temps, set points, insulation and how fully stocked you keep it. I feel like all of those things have the potential to have a larger impact on runtime than the idle consumption in most cases. My 2 cents, for what it's worth.

[@luxurycardetailingthehamptons]

@ReeWrayOutdoors Interesting info. Kinda new to the whole solar generator scene. Actually did a ton of research and just ordered a Bluetti AC500 with 2 B300S batteries to replace my dual Honda EU2200i generators for my mobile car detailing setup. On an average day (using a Kill-A-Watt meter) I use about 3 to 4kW. Figuring I should have about 5kW usuable capacity out of those batteries, I was a little concerned about the idle consumption for my heavy days. I decided that I'm going to put 500W of solar to compensate. Your comment makes me feel a little better about my math. Can't wait to hook this system up. A little bit of a weight penalty compared to the gennys but the silence will be oh so nice. Especially considering my air compressor, vacuum and pressure washer are all high end, very quiet units. Thanks for the reply.

[@biancamadeiro7399]

Finally a video that answers my questions! Thank you so much!

[@woppini]

Great video as usual! I was on the fence about the jackery 300, and the vtoman. I already have a anker 521. I decided with the jackery because I needed something smaller in general vs the vtoman. Fully aware of battery chemistry, I still think this was a good deal on Amzn. You did a review on the vtoman, and was extremely helpful in my decision.

[@lbrown6859]

First time watching. I did enjoyed the info, although I didn't really understand all of it. I probably need a class for dummies. Lol Electrical stuff is a tuff one for me.

[@lynn1936]

​@@lbrown6859me too

[@edc3utube]

It would be helpful if you could add a Pellet Stove entry to your Average Power Consumption for Common Devices spreadsheet. Many of us in cold climates use pellet stoves, which do not operate during power outages, and a portable power station is an attractive emergency backup option for us. Thanks!

[@nestingbirdcreations]

Did you ever decide on a portable power station for your pellet stove? I am trying to decide if I will buy a power station for my Harman P43 or change out the stove to a wood burner with pellet insert.

[@theoh6260]

Great review. By far the most objective reviews of the products on KZbin. Nice job. I bought a Delta Pro and used your discount code. Thanks. Wish I had seen your channel before I bought a Jackery 1000 with panels (waste of money)…. Thanks for all you do…

[@daveevans7151]

Great video! Originally bought a GZ 500x as a backup for camping for small items. Just bought a paddle ore and wanted to use it for the 2-stage electric pump for the board and it keeps tripping the battery when going to stage 2. Have now read many stories of this happening with this battery…so now back in the market. I am not sure what the draw of the pump is, it only comes with a car lighter plug to use it, but can’t imagine it being that much. So not really sure what is happening here. Either the GZ is just crap or this pump is pulling more than I think. The EF River Pro has caught my attention for my needs.

[@fruitcup01]

Ebay has some 120vac to variable DCv , about 3v to 30v. Another useful option is various or settable dc "wall wart transformers" that plug into 120ac.

[@sv.foamball]

Well presented and very thorough at just the right level. As far as use cases go, I have specific ones regarding marine convenience (e.g. power on a remote beach) and contingency (e.g. boat hit by lightening) that tend to narrow down the options. If there's a lake near your new "more rural location" you might consider working some marine applications into your content menu. Being able to use "it's for work" could come in real handy when discussing your new fishing boat with your significant other.

[@ReeWrayOutdoors]

Actually there is a lake!

[@timcollins9242]

I learned more from this video than anything else I have watched or read. Very well done. Very good information. And I appreciate that there was no push towards a particular brand or type.

[@gordony8196]

I've been using the Jackery 1500 since April, 2021 and so far it's been a decent product. At the time of purchase, LiFePO4 batteries were not prevalent, and I would definitely go with the LiFePO4 now. I do have the same concerns as you about Lithium NMC, but my phone, lawnmover tools (blower, etc) also have the NMC, so I can only hope the BMS in these products do its job! One item not mentioned is the continued need for a fossil fuel based generator as backup. If the grid goes down and it's in the middle of winter and no solar, then a generator would be a good idea to charge your solar generator.

[@SkibidiDogRizz]

Just live on a river and build a turbine. 24 hour power.

[@lawrencebeck4777]

Gasoline will only last around three months when stored. If the grid shuts down you won't be able to buy gas as electricity powers the pumps.

[@GS-rw9og]

excellent!!!

[@scottmurphy4946]

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[@adventureinventors]

​@@lawrencebeck4777wood gasifier