Solar panel I-V curve tracing (the simple way)

[@ThanassisTsiodras]

Love your philosophical side-rants, since I am very much in agreement with most of them :-) In terms of OSes, since you mentioned them... my turn for a rant: I switched to Linux 20+ years ago, and never looked back. Over the years I went beyond that: in terms of Linux distributions, I moved towards the simplest, less-GUI ones... and in general, I ended up basically doing everything on the command line (except for a handful of exceptions). That means I can do everything I ever needed on any of the open source UNIXes - Linux, FreeBSD and OpenBSD. I think you'd probably appreciate the simplicity of that digital lifestyle - with the added benefits that I (a) can used 10y old computers and feel fine (b) migrate/backup/restore between computers and open-source OSes in no time, because everything I do is just "files" - revision controlled text files in Git repositories (c) use the same tools (shells, editors, interpreters, etc) whether I am at home or at my work machine or connected over remote links to server farms or connected to my phone (running an open-source version of Android). I am old, I guess - and probably sound bizarre to most people out there - but simplifying my digital life while maintaining total control over my devices and what they do, is, IMHO, the best way to go. It takes effort, but pays it back in spades.

[@DiaconescuAlexandru2024]

Lol I was going to mention Linux too, I used Ubuntu for a while but now I use Linux Mint (based off of Ubuntu anyway). I get stuff done so fast when the UI and file manager aren't designed by braindead monkeys. It's such a pain to use Windows10 in my highschool, especially when I have to transfer files. Anyway I love Linux and my github scripts :)

[@mojoblues66]

Or use a Mac.

[@vyedma]

@@mojoblues66 Please don't joke. How will Sonoma run on your 4 year old Intel Mac?

[@mojoblues66]

@@vyedma OCLP

[@vyedma]

@@mojoblues66Touche. I hope for you that dortania guys will keep at it.

[@DoctorCalabria]

Thanks! I wish I could give more. You always present uniquely thoughtful and educational material, and I love your sense of humor and outlook on life. Always a high point of my day when I watch your post. I’m sure you make a big difference in many people’s lives, as you do in mine.

[@DiodeGoneWild]

Thank you for your support and appreciation ;)

[@abdulrouflone_5555]

Your knowledge and approach is unparallel.

[@MichalKottman]

Very relevant to me, just tried to do something like this manually yesterday.

[@iamdarkyoshi]

Delightfully simple circuit, yet very capable!

[@Speeder84XL]

Nice way to show current/voltage characteristic and trace the maximum output of a solar cell indeed! I agree on that thing with technology being unnecessary complicated for no good reason. It got me thinking of my mothers husband, who was about to build a "smart home", but was to stupid to even connect dimmer switches and outlets for that system him self. I did that for them, so they didn't have to spend a fortune on electricians. One ridiculous thing about the system it self, is that the dimmers where using 80's tech from the days of incandescent light bulbs (even if it's controlled by new wireless technology). That didn't go along well well with LEDs and often caused them to buzz and flicker (even those supposed to be dimmable) - especially since he wanted strong LEDs (to be able to get some brightness when wanted), but had them way dimmed down most of the time (usually, the problem get worse the more dimmed down they are - the lower the setting, the more of the sine wave is cut off. At very low settings, it's 100 short pulses a second, rather than a continuous wave. Which is bad for most loads except resistive heat sources or light based on a glowing filament that simply uses "thermal inertia" to level out their output. A big LC-filter is needed to level out such discontinuous power feed and make it work good for most other loads. Which there is no room for inside most LEDs, despite being labelled as "dimmable" - there is a limit how small energy storing passive components can get, despite how compact and "smart" the controller electronics inside are). In the hallway and living room, they still have old CFLs left, that take like 5 minutes to reach their full brightness and when I ask "when are you going to change those shitty lamps to LEDs?", he says "it's expensive". Yeah - but it's ok to spend the price of 100 LEDs to just be able to turn off the light from your phone instead of the light switch. Now they are not using that system any more, because my mother got really mad at him because of all the problems it caused as he never got it working properly. He ended up just wasting like $2000 on a system he can't use without too much hassle and they are still using the CFLs in the hallway and living room...

[@faridsafazadeh1137]

Now more and more you are becoming a philosopher who is profesional in Electronics as well!!

[@SeanBZA]

Ran into that this week, and used a small 2VA mains transformer with 2 secondaries to get around it. The small transformers do have a good enough frequency response to handle audio, though I did use some oddball ones, with a 24VAC primary, and 12VAC secondary, intended for old industrial logic use, where a 24VAC power supply was used as safety.

[@hermanmade]

your random thoughts are true never minimize please

[@xDR1TeK]

Same here, I keep stuff I pull off from broken boards. They seem to be more open to be usable rather than the closed box tech we see today.

[@Alexelectricalengineering]

You are awesome as always 👍👍 ("In today's time we are controlled by controllers that are ironically enough also controlled" famous words I don't remember the name but the words I will never forget)

[@Alexelectricalengineering]

@@lotecque You are right 👍👍, and it's true.

[@keithking1985]

Your absolutely right about technology, and about people talking up in general. 👍

[@Anvilshock]

"Your absolutely right" - What about my absolute left?

[@Vladimir-sq1jr]

@@Anvilshock Absolute or Far left doesn't exist, everybody knows that. Even if your left is Ant ifa - the unknown charity, that only exists in a dream. A dream inside the Metaverse. Its unpublished alpha version, however, which is basically a sketch on Zuck's napkin.

[@piconano]

There's a transistor curve tracer with an Arduino pro mini using the write-up of "Peter Balch transistor curve tracer" instructable. I built one and love it. I also built an Octopus curve tracer which also works fine but not MCU controlled.

[@keithking1985]

I think auto-spell put octopus when you ment octocupler I'm sure. And the transistor tracer sounds awesome.

[@piconano]

@@keithking1985 You'd be wrong. It's Octopus. Google it.

[@tajtrlik1111]

Ďakujem za ukážku tohto zaujímavého obvodu pre meranie VA charakteristiky panelu aj pre meranie prúdu a napätia v závislosti na osvetlení, jednoduché veci sú v niektorých prípadoch najlepšie riešenie problému.

[@John_Smith__]

Dear DiodeGoneWild ...time to change your OS to Linux ... no more uncontrolled updates ... and you are also right about public opinion: The published opinion (main stream media) is Not the Public opinion.

[@lukasb95]

Can't agree more about your rants! I work on a cutting-edge technology company, but my inner self are very reluctant and actually hate about living with technology. I prefer very old stuff with very little complexity but works well. I love simple 90's car that I can fix it myself. I love my 2011 PC which I use daily. I love the old-school website which does not have any kind of javascript/various html5 extension. Really hate being controller by technology.

[@DiodeGoneWild]

I'm also happy with my 2001 car and an appartment with just dumb appliances, light switches and bulbs. And an older used mobile phone I rarely use anyway. But of course, to edit the videos, I need a modern computer, that's a must.

[@lukasb95]

@@DiodeGoneWild thankfully modern consumer processors still does not adopt subscribtion-based license. However, soon we may see it. Right now some of the enterprise Xeon cpu needs an "unlock key" to enable more advanced instruction that accelerate certain tasks, or unlock more cores. Today, that license is perpetual (one time purchase for lifetime) but the system is prepared for time-based licensing also. At one side me & my company need to sell them to the clients, but I hate it. Really perplexed now (Back in 2011 intel was also implement it on consumer celeron single core cpu, and can purchase to unlock the second core to become a dual core cpu. It fails tho)

[@DiodeGoneWild]

@@lukasb95 subscribtion-based CPU??? And I thought it can't get any worse... The most ridiculous thing is that the production cost is no longer what makes the price, if they choose to physically give 2 cores even to the customers who pay for just 1. We're paying way way more than it costs to make.

[@lukasb95]

@@DiodeGoneWild if you're curious, search for "intel upgrade service 2011" (for consumer, total flop) and for enterprise segment - 2022 "intel on demand - pay as you go" they tried to mimic cloud services, on our own hardware. ridiculous.

[@haczyk84]

Skvele! Some times ago I get solar panel from some led lamp and I was logging (via arduino, ethernet and sql; I make my own handler for ethernet.) open voltage and short current during the day. I appreciate your method of drawing characteristics and test you make. It was very interesting that open voltage don't change much in function of light.

[@mikejones-vd3fg]

Very cool, its like 1 step away from MPPT charge controller, the maximum power point tracker basically follows that knee of that Current /Voltage curve as the sun fluctuates to keep maximum power up. Which you coud do manually with a potentiometer come to think of it but are done by microcontroller these days. But you dont need to do it constantly just when the sun changes positions i found anyway, 3 positions pretty much gets all the advantages of a physical tracker , id imagine the same with manual MPPT tracking. In some cases its no better then PWM charge controlling, its more efficient but doesnt pull power out of no where. I think were entering an age where we dont have to rely on makers, we have all the tools to make things ourselves, like charge controllers, drones and what not, i dont think talented engineers are signing up to work in apple anymore like when i was going to school, they're making ionic thrusters on youtube. So no need to worry, the future isnt monopolistic and boring i think we're at the dawn of a new age of invention, a cambrian explosion of technology and exploration of the universe around the corner.

[@j.f.christ8421]

Given the output voltage barely changes, why bother with MPPT?

[@keithking1985]

And I for one am glad brilliant people are turning to KZbin, I wouldn't of had a clue what this video was even about without them. Electronics is the absolute best thing iv ever done. Thank God for KZbin.

[@alexpacini]

​@@j.f.christ8421you want to control the current to extract as much power as possible given the illumination of that moment

[@j.f.christ8421]

@@alexpacini ...and if the voltage doesn't vary much, as on this panel, MPPT is pointless.

[@alexpacini]

@@j.f.christ8421 See 5:10, where it shows an obvious mpp. You need to stay on the iv knee, so where the voltage drops when loaded.

[@johnwalton5576]

Can I put in a request for more dodgy charger teardowns? I just love those!!

[@DiodeGoneWild]

Of course :) I'm already working on a video about something else, but the next one after that will be about dodgy chargers ;)

[@johnwalton5576]

Thanks so much!! I'm excited already!! @@DiodeGoneWild

[@antibrevity]

Losing your work because Windows decided to restart without permission deserves a class action lawsuit, but they'll just claim that we all agreed to this when we accepted the ULA. While it's not right that companies make us take extreme measures, you can stop win10/11 from updating without your permission. This likely isn't the place to explain this as we're not allowed to post links, but resources are available via search. it's absolutely the case that companies are removing more and more user control and it's a terrible trend.

[@tiborbogi7457]

I stopped using Windows about 17 years ago, there are other OS-es.

[@simonowen488]

Yes! I'm never comfortable using something I don't understand well enough to fix... and the next time some device does something without asking...GAH!

[@Broken_Yugo]

I too miss having a PC that actually does what I tell it. Even Linux (Debian anyhow) seems to be going that way, thinking about looking at Arch just to have a system that actually stays up/down as commanded.

[@RK-kn1ud]

I like Debian based stuff for stability. I don't need bleeding edge updates all the time. I used Ubuntu for a while, but still never felt in control (especially the updater) so I tried out Linux Mint. Give it a try!

[@petevenuti7355]

I'm kind of new to Linux, how would I stick with Debian version 9 and still be able to use the package manager?

[@namenotshown9277]

Absolutely brilliant.

[@matt.604]

I've been slowly making the switch to Linux, especially after windows 10 took a lot of control away. Unfortunately my work uses windows exclusively so I have to suffer. But found that using windows server on my laptop solves some problems.

Nice video, thank you for the tips. About the philosophical bonus, yes, just like Aristotle's thinking, the broad opinion its the demagogues opinion.

[@atmel9077]

An approximation of a solar panel is a current source proportional to illumination in parallel with a forward-biased diode. The voltage on the solar panel is given by the Shockley diode equation (V = Ut ln (I/Is)) where Is is the saturation current and Ut=25mV at 25°C, hence the logarithmic curve. As the load current increases, it is subtracted from the current flowing into the diode and the voltage decreases. When the load current reaches the current source's output current, the voltage drops to zero.

[@MyProjectBoxChannel]

Superb! Thanks so simple and elegant.

[@1998eclipse1998]

I agree with you

[@d.k.9406]

Danke! Thanks! Thanks in double To do this work twice So we can see watch it

[@DiodeGoneWild]

Big thanks ;).

[@jensschroder8214]

LEDs and solar cells are basically the same thing. Only the effect is used in different directions. A reverse-biased LED behaves like a solar cell. But you shouldn't use a white LED with a luminescent layer. A blue or green LED can be a solar cell. A solar cell can also be an infrared LED. This is used during production to sort out defective solar cells. A transistor with an opened TO-3 case is also a solar cell

[@andymouse]

Once again I have the same opinions as you and I love these types of experiments, so that's a win win for me ! I would like to ask you and other viewers if they have made Bulb stabilised Wien Bridge Oscillators as I am in pursuit of the perfect Sine Wave !...cheers.

[@leopiipponen7693]

Very nice instructive video how solarpanel realy vorking :)

[@2001pulsar]

I'll never pay for software for that exact reason. If I'll not have control, they won't have my money. Nice informative video, Thanks!

[@DiodeGoneWild]

I've bought the laptop about 2 years ago with Win10 already in it. It is now offering me a free update to Win11, which I keep refusing. I've heard it's even worse. Of course, a lot of people recommend Linux, but I'm scared of having to put way too much time into installing it, making all my programs work in it, learning how to use it.... It might cost a ton of time and effort, I'm already overwhelmed by a lot of other things.

[@sakurojason]

@@DiodeGoneWildI feel bad for you and so many users who are so used to Windows and then Microsoft chooses to fuck up everything, screwing up your work/progress in anything you do… Unfortunately there is not much you can do other than modifying Windows to prevent unwanted updates. The thing is that once you choose to update, they remove such optimizations, mods, settings and customizations. One day, I’ll try to make my own operating system that’s very similar to Windows and it will be open source.

[@2001pulsar]

@@DiodeGoneWild there are several good script programs to de-bloat win10, including only receiving security updates, when you choose to install them.

[@RK-kn1ud]

​@@DiodeGoneWildWhat programs are important to you?

[@Gengh13]

@@DiodeGoneWild I started switching to software that was multi-platform or worked well in wine before switching to Linux, that made the transition a lot easier. It is different, but the basics are similar enough.

[@jp040759]

Great idea.

[@sklepa]

Yep, i just want to be happy about simple things. im going to ride my bike a little.

[@unk_48]

DiodeGoneWild,i have a questions,what is the main function of the auxiliary winding in the switching power supply?

[@noakeswalker]

I do like a simple way to do something, and this IS simple :o) The power curve is nice but you need a scope that can multiply of course. I assume the slow reaction of the trace when you change the illumination at 2:50 is all down to the digital scope ? That is a slight problem with a modern scope I suppose.

[@RK-kn1ud]

The "update" problem was the final deciding factor which forced me to upgrade from Windows to Linux Mint. I've used Linux for about 17 years now, but could never commit to it as my main desktop OS. However, after using Mint for the last two years, I will never go back.

[@Petertronic]

I blocked Windows from updating ages ago. Had no problems whatsoever. It's not the security risk that scaremongers will have you believe. Great video, solar panels are everywhere but rarely do you see this level of detail about them.

[@piconano]

Humanity is devolving now. Life is not hard, we make it hard for each other with our short sights and stupidity.

[@LabArlyn]

Humans are just getting more stupid overtime. Just to make more money So greedy.

[@sanjikaneki6226]

Once again I have the same opinions as you, also slowly moving to Linux.

[@yankozlatanov]

PC updates can actually ruin your entire day and unsaved job because some smart IT engineer decided its good for your PC to not ask for your permission to mess with your job.

[@nophead]

Yes that is why I am still on Win7. I try to move to Linux but it doesn't support some of my peripherals.

[@keithking1985]

Yeah I'm still on win-7 myself. Its slow AF but still works.

[@RK-kn1ud]

The engineers probably think exactly like us. I don't think the engineers made that decision.

[@Gooberslot]

It's Microsoft that thinks they own your computer instead of you. There are OSes that let you control your own hardware but people would rather put up with being bent over by a huge corporation than give up any conveniences.

[@anlpereira]

Hi, great aproach. How could we do something like this using an Arduino Board? Thanks

[@DiodeGoneWild]

Why Arduino?

[@anlpereira]

@@DiodeGoneWild I would like to make a MPPT solar battery charger controller. Thanks

[@German_byte]

Thanks

[@DiodeGoneWild]

Thank you for your support ;)

[@teardowndan5364]

Disabling automatic updates and restarts is one of the first things I do whenever I re-install Windows. Very few things piss me off as much as losing work because the OS decided to restart on me, especially in the Windows 95 - Vista days where "Restart" was the default selection on the dialog box that would pop up while I was typing and cause me to "confirm" the restart with the next space bar press.

[@florabee9283]

So could a curve tracer for transistors be made this way somehow? Using the transformer-diode-resistor circuit with a signal generator sweeping someting on the base? Hmmm

[@DiodeGoneWild]

I think it's possible. There are several schematics of this on the internet and videos about them on youtube. They use a staircase (or stairstep?) generator to generate several curves. Look for something like "transistor curve tracer (circuit)"

[@keithking1985]

A guy commented that he has one on his Arduino Pro mini. He uses the file from "Peter Balch transistor curve tracer" enjoy. (That's if you use Arduino) 👍

[@chrisgj198]

At work they bought a very expensive instrument (more expensive than a good new car) which comes with windows-only software, and the purpose for which they bought it was to make week-long measurements. Of course Windows reboots and ruins the experiments frequently (wasting weeks of researcheers' time and destroying very expensive samples), even with updates "paused" and / or with various registry hacks suggested on the internet to stop updates. The best solution so far is to unplug it from the internet, but that means no remote desktop access so someone has to come into the lab often to make sure it hasn't crashed (of course it does that too!). If they ask me to fix it I will probably install Linux as the host OS and then run the Windows software in a VM that has no internet access. Then we should still be able to see what the windows software is doing on the screen by logging into the Linux machine remotely.

[@achimxe2617]

You are so damn right about our current society!

[@TradieTrev]

That's a great top tip!

[@JohnnyX50]

I could not say better about your voice on control of technology. I am fed up with leaving my PC to work on something while I take a nap to find out Windows or Nvidia have completely stuffed everything up by downloading things and shutting things down while they take over. I keep returning to find my game or project has been shut off and PC restarted for no reason. Yes I know you can turn off or defer updates but those things are already told not to do so without my say so but yet they still do it one way or the other. I am with you brother and I am ready to join your rally to rise against the machine :) On a more topical note, I did not know you could do what you did with an oscilloscope for the curves you show. I have not used a scope for many years. When I first discovered the X/Y function my only thought was "pretty shapes" lol :) love and peace mate :)

[@liam3284]

Those automatic updates often interrupt my work. A few days ago all my USB ports stopped working. A few minutes later got a popup demanding reboot to apply update. With no working mouse or keyboard, no ability to cancel it. The machine got a BSOD on reboot. Had a lab machine reboot to apply an automatic update, and it never came back, bricked, according to the manufacturer, the mainboard failed.

[@petevenuti7355]

I only have a sound card oscilloscope, what's the frequency range and measurement range of this circuit?

[@renepanak8541]

I guess it is 50Hz (60Hz) from mains transformer. Or whatever frequency you set on your function generator.. I would be more concerned about voltage range. Does sound card oscilloscope handle (for example) 12V ?? I donť think so. But maybe I'm missing something.

[@petevenuti7355]

@@renepanak8541 I thought I saw a transistor in there somewhere, I was watching before I went to sleep, and for some reason I was seeing an oscillator circuit. got it, main's frequency calculate a resistance for my inputs....

[@KeritechElectronics]

Nice. Now I wonder about hooking a solar cell to a Hameg HM204 scope's component tester input. Fuck automatic updates, fuck manufacturers forcing their way about how you should or should not use the tech, be their service's hostage when the thing breaks down. Fuck their killswitches and anything that lets them decide that the moment they cut the support and infrastructure off, you're left with a brick. Proud GNU/Linux user since 2012 (and maybe even earlier if you count my attempts or running the system on routers etc.). Also, proud proponent of home automation systems based on self-hosted free & open source software, done in a fail-safe way i.e. if it breaks down, you still have manual control.

[@viktorhaupt9547]

Are you from Czech (seš z česka)

[@Gengh13]

That's why I stopped using windows a few years ago, if you can't easily control when your OS decides to update and restart then you don't really control it and now you have to fight against it, not a feature you want for an OS.

[@kalashnikov_47z]

Please make an oscilloscope Using esp32 and ST7735

[@flodurkeng]

stačí si odložit aktualizace když děláš něco důležitého na pc 😉

[@eded8045]

what ever you buy you should have control you say... i bought a wild bear and had no control LOL

[@DiodeGoneWild]

That's why I don't buy any lions, bears, tigers, elephants, anacondas, not even big dogs ;). A small dog is way better. If it refuses to walk, you can just grab it and carry it away...

[@Ncky]

I know how bad are those adapters and yet i still used them because "i know what am i doing". It fucking fell apart in my hand trying to unplug it :D plastic was Brital like PLA when it gets moist.

[@lumifaza]

5:20 try Linux, it doesn't reboot without asking and generally you have more control over the guts of the OS

[@dimitarnikolov3527]

Windows updates are terrible and that's only part of the reason I switched to Linux. It has flaws on it's own, but for me the overall experience is better. Especially in terms of having control over the software and even the hardware.

[@LawpickingLocksmith]

Did I miss your cat?

[@celsoneves2368]

Jewel

[@johnwelbourn3811]

I can't remember Windows updating without my input, but nothing would surprise me from Microsoft.

[@rapeanumadalin2314]

CENSORSHIP, not niiiiiccee, I like the side rant...unfortunately censorship is part of people's life in some place's all over the globe and some of them are the master of it...😐😒 by using tehnology to monitor and " control " almost every aspect of their life...🤨 I'm starting to notice this phenomenon is getting bigger... alongside bigger or smaller youtubers... slowly but hopping surely we are getting somewhere...unfortunately people on the other side of the globe not so lucky, not good...😢

[@tushar673353]

Your thoughts about AI is similar as my ..and those epoxy solar panels are less efficient bcos of their poor build quality

[@DiodeGoneWild]

I know, but I'm using the panels just for experiments, nothing serious. And I'm not sure why should people even develop AI. I don't see the benefits. I can only see it making the world less pleasant to live in.

[@rfmerrill]

When it looks like most people agree with you, is that the truth? Because, ironically, that may be an illusion cast on you by the very technology you are talking about. Social media, KZbin and even Google search often prefers to show you things you agree with, when that serves their advertising profitability. And the thing is, no matter how uncommon your opinion might be, there are probably enough people out there who share it that it could easily be made to look like it's common. It's not even that people seek out echo chambers anymore. They are created for us and we are put there.

[@jkobain]

That speech about crazy ones in power applies not only to technology, heh.

[@Guishan_Lingyou]

If you want control of your computer, one solution is to switch to Linux.

[@DiodeGoneWild]

Thank you for your suggestion. I know about this option, but the amount of new things we have to learn is a bit overwhelming... that's probably why I hesitate...

[@TradieTrev]

Done it 15 years ago, Linux just gets better each year.

[@pablos1349]

On Linux, peripherals such as printers and cameras are not supported by the manufacturer in full functionality. Unfortunately.

[@TradieTrev]

@@DiodeGoneWild You're a smart bloke! For what you teach me in electrical engineering, I am happy to help how our pcs should work without some overlord. It's just a tool like a DMM at the end of the day.

[@Eratas1]

My entire life is based on Autoit scripting language. And its working only on Windows.

[@erikziak1249]

Did you and if yes, how, set the updates on your system? There are solutions. None of my computers restarted because of an update without me intervening. Without intervention, it would not restart by itself.

[@techtinkerin]

Go in the settings and turn off auto updates I'm sure its possible. Or is it? 1984 style. 😄👍😎

[@DiodeGoneWild]

I also often get a feeling we are getting closer to an Orwellian dystopia ...

[@Eratas1]

Yes you can and its says its off. But it turns back on ITSELF and still updates!. You have no control.

[@sumitmamoria]

I am assuming you use windows as your operating system. Maybe you want to switch to Linux for absolute control over the system.

[@nowheremanjk8624]

Auto aktualizacja wyłączona, brak antywirusów i komputer pracuje stabilnie wiele lat. To nie Apple gdzie bez poprawek system działa 3 miesiące

[@pvc988]

Zakładam, że mówisz o Windowsie. Tak, bez antywira i bez aktualizacji system działa najlepiej ale do tego potrzeba użytkownika, który ma jakiekolwiek pojęcie o tym jak ten komputer/system działa. Zdecydowana większość ludzi nie ma o tym zielonego pojęcia. Według nich komputery napędza magia i czary. A to co powie MS, Apple, czy inna korporacja to święte.

[@oliverstewart4459]

Your "rant" is very poignant. Cannot agree more. I love technology but the advent of computer learning has brought with it lack of control for the user taking away alot of the joy of the technology in the first place

[@mojoblues66]

Welcome to Microsoft Windows. It's your own fault, only uninformed people use Windows. I use a Mac since 1999, Macs don't reboot without user consent. We had a similar discussion about Android a few month ago, apparently you don't want to change your devices, you just want to rant about them.

[@泉こなた-t2q]

just don't use windows

[@brucepickess8097]

Clearly a good idea, what a pane, an aglazing, idea, good comment.😏

[@ats89117]

If you express your own opinions, it will be just a matter of time until you disappear...

[@DiodeGoneWild]

Is it really that bad? Isn't this just a paranoia? I didn't even mention what operating system do I use... Do you think the company that developed it could still complain?