The most useful tool ever for electronics repairs - (PWJ212)

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Play with Junk

Play with Junk

9 ай бұрын

The Octopus tester (or VI curve tracer) is a very simple but extremely useful device for repairs of analog circuits. It comes in many varieties... as an add-on to your oscillocope, with a built-in CRT, with LCD displays or selfmade with a few components.
It is so easy to use that we call it "Tubelitester" (Swiss German: Idiot tester). It's so simple that everyone can use it...

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@M0UAW_IO83
@M0UAW_IO83 9 ай бұрын
*SUCH* a useful device for analogue repairs, I must have repaired hundreds if not thousands of power supplies, monitors, televisions, amplifiers etc. etc. with the help of one of these built into a Hameg 'scope. Brilliant for testing individual components and if you're lucky enough to have a working board the same type as the faulty one you can race through them and track down faults/suspicious areas *so* quickly.
@wadib3eed7
@wadib3eed7 8 ай бұрын
Do you know a useful device for testing digital components (logic gates) ?
@filips7158
@filips7158 8 ай бұрын
​@@wadib3eed7the best you can do is a logic analyzer.
@jackt9411
@jackt9411 4 ай бұрын
​@@wadib3eed7a logic probe.
@Tutterzoid
@Tutterzoid 9 ай бұрын
Love that desoldering Iron .. which I have never seen before .. Very cool tool indeed ..
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 9 ай бұрын
PACE is the brand...
@jj74qformerlyjailbreak3
@jj74qformerlyjailbreak3 9 ай бұрын
The Value in this video ☝️ is priceless. Well done 👍
@waynecummings5021
@waynecummings5021 8 ай бұрын
OMG! Amazing watching this. Like back to basics and really well explained. I love it when people EXPLAIN EACH STEP AND WHY. I find many videos leave this out _ suppose to protect their art. Thanks buddy! Subscribed.
@niconine268
@niconine268 9 ай бұрын
Beautiful work. Such skill & intelligence. Perfect lab you have too. What a plessure to see this. Thankyou
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 8 ай бұрын
That’s my workplace… thank you!
@vladomaimun
@vladomaimun 9 ай бұрын
Very elegant in its simplicity. A dedicated digital curve tracer is more accurate but I apreciate the ingenuity of making something so useful from only a transformer, couple of resistors and an osciloscope.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 8 ай бұрын
In this case accuracy is not needed. You only compare identical curves. If one component shows a different shape than another, you know something is wrong. It's like a continuity beeper to trace wire connections... ;-)
@robertoteles
@robertoteles 8 ай бұрын
​@@PlaywithJunk I have no thermal cam and naively I touch the components looking for shots 90% of cases works for me
@AffidavidDonda
@AffidavidDonda 6 ай бұрын
"... and osciloscope" :) it reminded me of an old joke from electronic vocational school in my town - how to measure size of the room with an oscilloscope?...
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 6 ай бұрын
@@robertoteles Yeah I did that too. And you still can read 555EN (mirrored) on my index finger when I touched a chip that was way hotter than expected 🙂
@billbates7810
@billbates7810 8 ай бұрын
Excellent video, really interesting and well narrated. I’ve always fancied a VI curve tracer & will certainly be lookin to build the version you’ve shown. Thank you & God bless.
@jam99
@jam99 6 ай бұрын
Come on, the "most useful tool ever for electronics repairs" is a multimeter!
@jj74qformerlyjailbreak3
@jj74qformerlyjailbreak3 9 ай бұрын
Thank you very much sir. This is the first tool I’m building to go with my BK Precision 2120B. I love how YT knew I needed this video. As always a pleasure being learned by Play With Junk channel. ❤️
@jj74qformerlyjailbreak3
@jj74qformerlyjailbreak3 9 ай бұрын
Also that 3D printed guide for THC “Through Hole Components” Will come in handy too. I’m on it Boss. God Bless.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 9 ай бұрын
It's not 3D printed. That bending tool is from the 1970's. They are still made today, just google "lead bending tool"
@jj74qformerlyjailbreak3
@jj74qformerlyjailbreak3 9 ай бұрын
@@PlaywithJunk you’ve kept great care of it. That’s the first time I’ve seen one, let alone one being used. Thanks Christian
@francoisdastardly4405
@francoisdastardly4405 6 ай бұрын
Absolutely fantastic practical demonstration of curve tracer. ❤❤❤
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 6 ай бұрын
Thank you! :-)
@graemedavidson499
@graemedavidson499 9 ай бұрын
I’ve used curve tracing most of my days, using a Hameg HZ65 external add on for scopes. However, it could potentially destroy (pun intended!) digital circuits. I then bought an ABI System 8 BFL and AICT module that can curve trace dozens of pins at the same time and even store the traces for comparison later. Really powerful power off diagnostic technique!
@ivok9846
@ivok9846 7 ай бұрын
but what do you gain by using it vs. just measuring voltages and scoping(?), offcourse once you know what the voltages and waveforms on properly functioning device would be.
@graemedavidson499
@graemedavidson499 7 ай бұрын
@@ivok9846 A quick example I can give is when examining a data or address bus, the characteristic VI trace will typically be the same for each line. Of course, there may be address decoders hanging on some pins and not others which may lead to differences. Any differences such as leakage, open or short pins will instantly become apparent. Removing and curve tracing all the pins on an IC is useful too, e.g comparing all the input and output pins of an op amp or a microprocessor data or address lines. It’s not a substitute for functional testing but can help locate trouble for further investigation.
@LarixusSnydes
@LarixusSnydes 7 ай бұрын
@@ivok9846 Indeed, if you are good at pattern recognition, this is quite convenient, especially for in-circuit testing Just two kinds of tools that both work fine, provided you heed the warning about digital circuits. The main advantage of the octopus is that it measures both voltage *and* current at the same time. You would need two multimeters at once to get the same data (in numbers rather than a shape on the screen). For field testing it's usually more convenient to just pack two multimeters, since scopes tend to be delicate and either heavy (if using a classic CRO) or expensive (if you use a modern digital one).
@ivok9846
@ivok9846 7 ай бұрын
@@LarixusSnydes not that expensive anymore. i think eevblog tested rigol that can be usb powered...dho800. portable too.
@shinzon0
@shinzon0 2 ай бұрын
Wow, such an interesting video. Thank you very much! And really cool devices you built and use :)
@tonyd1149
@tonyd1149 7 ай бұрын
Very nice. Thank you for sharing your work with us.
@beefchicken
@beefchicken 9 ай бұрын
That reverse mounted transistor is a weird choice. But so is mounting the power switch _through_ the heatsink. Weird.
@KeanM
@KeanM 9 ай бұрын
It also seems to be mounted with a plastic snap rivet, so I doubt it gets very hot...
@MrGabrovche
@MrGabrovche 9 ай бұрын
The transistor is mounted in reverse for very specific reason - that is electrical isolation - sometimes the tab is at high voltage and cannot be directly connected to usually grounded heat sink. Various ways are used to overcome this - some use thin heat-conductive isolation pads, some use special transistors with isolated tabs, but this is the cheapest one of them - works only if the planned heat dissipation of the transistor is not too big...
@franciscorompana2985
@franciscorompana2985 9 ай бұрын
​@@MrGabrovcheit makes sense.😊
@insoft_uk
@insoft_uk 7 ай бұрын
@@MrGabrovcheI recon the PCB designer got the legs backwards, or they would of just done that if it was an insulation thing
@ppdan
@ppdan 7 ай бұрын
@@MrGabrovche Well, it surely didn't work wel here ... or am I the only one that sees a cracked transistor ...
@viktorkunz189
@viktorkunz189 7 ай бұрын
Most comprehensive clip I ever saw! ❤
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 7 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@charlesspringer4709
@charlesspringer4709 7 ай бұрын
Amazing. I saw the Tracker demonstrated by a salesman at a company I was with in about 1978 or 79 I think. I was very impressed and it was too expensive. I have been curious about them ever since.
@Petertronic
@Petertronic 9 ай бұрын
Very neat, this shows that you don't need a super expensive Tektronix curve tracer. I have not seen the Huntrons before, they look awesome. I like your test load.
@garudapurana6807
@garudapurana6807 8 ай бұрын
Beautiful work. fantastic.
@consultingengineer5593
@consultingengineer5593 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for the memories. I first saw the octopus circuit in 1962 in a late 50’s copy of “electronics Illustrated”.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 7 ай бұрын
I'd love to read that magazine...
@rossthompson1635
@rossthompson1635 7 ай бұрын
Super video and brilliant explanation, thank you. I will be building the curve tracer adaptor very soon. (I note you are based in Switzerland, I have great affection for your beautiful country and have had many wonderful hiking experiences there. I will be visiting again soon).
@jimsvideos7201
@jimsvideos7201 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for this, it's another thing to learn more about. 😀
@tomsherwood4650
@tomsherwood4650 9 ай бұрын
I built the simple add on for my scope to do the same thing with junctions, as used Huntrons are priced more than your scope, if you can find one. But the home made one is simply two selectible AC voltage levels and 60 Hz. A fixed frequency is very limiting when you want to test stuff like inductors or capacitors with it. So I may devise a way to connect a function generator to same sort of test circuit so I can clearly analyze different capacitors and coils with the most appropriate frequency range. With diodes I can screen them for knee voltage and reverse leakage if I have a pile of diodes that are untested and cull the duds. OR match diodes.
@OldSkoolF
@OldSkoolF 4 ай бұрын
PSU's like that are good for our business...! Subbed.
@ElPasoTubeAmps
@ElPasoTubeAmps 6 ай бұрын
We used this type circuit at NASA and WSMR starting in 1970 onward, to repair TTL logic. We built our own and used an oscilloscope for display. Great little device for a few bucks you can build yourself.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 5 ай бұрын
Our tester was also bought in the TTL time. We repaired DEC PDP boards. For analog circuits it's still useful today.
@josephbento7545
@josephbento7545 5 ай бұрын
In the Navy, we referred to it as an octopus.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 5 ай бұрын
@@josephbento7545 Do you know why it is called octopus? I don't see any connection to that 8 legged animal.
@TradieTrev
@TradieTrev 9 ай бұрын
That was cool as you putting yourself in the circuit!
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 9 ай бұрын
I invented the sensor button... 🙂
@Chief_Engineer
@Chief_Engineer 8 ай бұрын
When mounting the load resistors, I would give them more airspace (i.e. longer legs) if there is enough room in the case. That way the cooling is improved, you could see from the blackened pcb that there is too much heat in a confined space.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 8 ай бұрын
You are right. But on the other hand, the original resistors were mounted directly on the board and that went well for 20+ years. I hope this line of power supply will disappear in 5 years.
@iainjackson2638
@iainjackson2638 7 ай бұрын
So basically a component tester that comes with most hameg scopes... So useful it's unreal. Must have if you repair stuff without schematics
@rsdandy
@rsdandy 8 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks for sharing.
@MrGabrovche
@MrGabrovche 9 ай бұрын
I was missing this tool for my field repairs, but recently came across some nice chinese battery powered handheld 2ch scope w. built in signal generator (w.DPO feature!) - with the help of few external components i have my very versatile curve tracer back in my set of instruments for field use! Wonder why they do not integrate such a useful feature in the otherwise great new toys! Great video btw!
@mikejones-vd3fg
@mikejones-vd3fg 6 ай бұрын
is it the dso2512g? i seen a video of someone using XY mode to test components with the help of some extra components, is that the same thing?
@timc3600
@timc3600 7 ай бұрын
I've not seen a Huntron Tracker for a very long time. I learned how to use one back in my apprenticeship, but ended up in the digital domain and never really considered getting one. Might end up building one for the scope though, that would be handy addition. The other handy tool was the Toneohm audiable short circuit locator, but I guess the world is flooded with micro ohm and milli ohm meters now.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 7 ай бұрын
I use the tracker to test LEDs too. It has a current limit of a few milliamps... a simple go-nogo test 🙂 For example if you want to find out the color of the LED.
@cooldude2245
@cooldude2245 6 ай бұрын
So cool to see repairs
@tanner1985
@tanner1985 7 ай бұрын
Never heard of this before, wonderful, I mean, really!
@jimday6244
@jimday6244 6 ай бұрын
I’m not going to touch the phrase “Play with Junk”.
@Dropshock20XX
@Dropshock20XX 5 ай бұрын
Give it a shot, just the tip...
@sholimz
@sholimz 7 ай бұрын
8:39s those days we made this jig to prep our components for our manual insertion production lines. Only when parts come in loose packing, if taped we feed them to automatic cut n form machines.
@AdamBye-mv2dp
@AdamBye-mv2dp 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for posting this video.
@OleJanssen
@OleJanssen 2 күн бұрын
Actually, many oscilloscopes come with a component tester like this already integrated, such as the Hameg 200 series.
@edgeeffect
@edgeeffect 7 ай бұрын
Yaaay! Before you showed the octopus, I was chanting "octopus, octopus, octopus".... and then it appeared! ;) I love the MOSFET foot tapping.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 7 ай бұрын
Fun fact... I never build an octopus tester like the one in the schematic. I went the more complicated way and copied the op-amp circuit from the Huntron.
@carlosgarcialalicata
@carlosgarcialalicata 5 ай бұрын
Super interesting! I also love the Distrelec component bender (or whatever is called) never saw that
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 5 ай бұрын
Distrelec is only an advertisement... the tool is a "component lead bender". You can find it on Google.
@richj120952
@richj120952 3 ай бұрын
We always called it a "knee bender". It also gives you a circle for a capacitor.
@niknam.
@niknam. 5 ай бұрын
Wow! Nice effect with foot stepping!!!!
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 5 ай бұрын
Yeah I found that by coincidence... 🙂
@SimplyChem32
@SimplyChem32 9 ай бұрын
Really neat tool!
@svsv9
@svsv9 8 ай бұрын
Nice vid. Do you know a type or dedicated cutter for Male header pin 2.54, I need to cut them but my cutter is making a sharp finish, maybe there is a cutter for that purpose you may know and can mention.
@amrkoptan4041
@amrkoptan4041 9 ай бұрын
lovely and very informative
@Pulverrostmannen
@Pulverrostmannen 9 ай бұрын
Rubycon is the good stuff, you clearly are a man of good taste!
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 9 ай бұрын
Thank you! Panasonic makes also good caps and batteries.
@jayfowler4747
@jayfowler4747 9 ай бұрын
My hameg 603 has this built in.... I just press the component tester button, very handy except for scopes being huge....
@windward2818
@windward2818 8 ай бұрын
In repairing systems, it really depends on the context of the repair as to the troubleshooting approach used. Obviously, we must consider either an active test or a passive power-off test, or perhaps a mix of the two. But, the testing approach is greatly influenced by what is being repaired and where. For example, the Huntron Tracker used for analog signature analysis for a company repairing their own products at a repair depot, would have procedures to use the Huntron and have a library of known good waveform shapes (signatures) across circuit nodes while the equipment is powered off. We should consider that the Huntron may just be one tool in how the engineering team envisioned the repair procedures. So, you might see AC powered equipment first connected to an AC variable power supply to see what current is being drawn on power up without removing the DUT (Device Under Test) case. The current can tell you a lot especially if you can vary the AC line voltage and protect the DUT with a circuit breakers or a current limiting device. You usually will see two different types of AC variable power supplies one for troubleshooting and one for outgoing test. If we look at analog signature analysis, once a problem is confirmed with the AC power supply then after the unit is powered down, disassembled and large capacitors discharged, the Huntron would be used to compare signatures. The Huntron approach is useful for in-house product repairs that are within the DUT warranty period because there is an established approach to the signature testing and the DUT has not reached the end of its useful life, also the Huntron is very easy to use, you just have to know how to probe and then compare traces. If you play with junk, then you do not know what you will encounter as a repair, so you would have to formulate a strategy for repair as you evaluate the equipment. Signature analysis is certainly doable on unique (one-off) repairs, but I think it loses some of its advantages if you don't have known good signatures. The newer Huntron Trackers like the 2800 are very versatile in analog signature analysis given the options for voltage, source resistance and frequency, but the 2800 is not cheap, and if you move up in capability you are usually incorporating production circuit scanning. If you see brown spots on the PCB you know that it is getting hot. To find out how hot you can use a thermal imaging camera. This may lead you to replacing some resistors with a high wattage equivalent, especially if you have a lot of vertical board space available. I think it should be mentioned that once a power supply is repaired you have to understand if it meets spec. This means measuring load regulation, line regulation, noise (ripple) and a host of other parameters (maybe even custom AC input test waveforms) before releasing it back to the customer. The transistor mounted backwards makes no sense at all. I would guess looking at the board itself is that the PCB layout is wrong, and the manufacturer did not want to waste any PCBs regardless of the problems with useful life. If you look at the PCB you will notice no silkscreen on the top layer or markings of any kind, not even in copper to denote capacitor polarity. Also, if you look at the pad size for the large diode you will notice the pad is actually too small for the lead size given the space available.
@waynecummings5021
@waynecummings5021 8 ай бұрын
Sounds like you know you stuff? Got any videos you recommend for diagnosis of Amplifier receivers (AR). I believe these are mainly amps, but I want to find the exact issue by doing 'passive power off tests' (as you call it) and 'active test'. Sorry to be a clueless moron here, but I am extremely new to this repair stuff. I have discovered that there are few and far between videos that are walk throughs for the absolute beginner i.e. the video maker explaining exactly why probes like a multimeter are put where on a PCB and what they are looking for before moving to the next PCB section, thus tracing the 'what's working, what's not' sections of a PCB. I only learned the other day that part of an 'active test' means placing multimeter probes - one on the earth, one on components' and looking for the potential difference is possible without a BANG! However, the guy never explained this, I had to guess it by remembering the probe testing tutorials and putting 2-and-2 together. It was a UREKA moment. It meant I had 'learned something useful' on my own.
@user-un2ni8dl7y
@user-un2ni8dl7y 9 ай бұрын
Good work 👍
@shimono992
@shimono992 6 ай бұрын
great video and groovy music!
@alhassanomran244
@alhassanomran244 6 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for sharing this informative video. I have a question please regarding Huntron Tracker 2000. I have one but the transformer has burned out and I need a new part or used to get it back to work, Can you help me where to find it?
@AintBigAintClever
@AintBigAintClever 8 ай бұрын
That's just reminded me that my old Hameg HM 205-2 oscilloscope has a built-in component tester. Three and a half pages of the user manual are dedicated to it. It's something my Rigol DS2072A-S doesn't appear to have, at least according to the manual as I'm sure the word "diode" would be in there if it did.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 8 ай бұрын
It's a pity that modern scopes don't have that function. It would be more useful than a logic analyzer.
@scottfranco1962
@scottfranco1962 7 ай бұрын
We had transistor curve tracers in high school, the ones that gave a couple of curves rising from zero to N like in the transistor data books. I don't know where they went. That stuff was all over my head back then.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 7 ай бұрын
We had a Tektronix transistor curve tracer at school and our teacher demonstrated the effects of static discharge on MOSFET transistors. We could see the damage very well.
@generalingwer4341
@generalingwer4341 7 ай бұрын
I agree the huntron tracker was very useful for comparisons.❤
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 7 ай бұрын
Oh, it still is. I use it frequently.
@zeus9855
@zeus9855 8 ай бұрын
I’ve got the hunting tracker 1000 had to outbid the other person to get it. Just looked they’re not cheap even one that doesn’t work. Made the home version years ago to use with a scope that version works as good.
@judd_s5643
@judd_s5643 6 ай бұрын
We built our own in the early 70’s out of a OS-8 Oscilloscope. We called it a “Octopus”.
@karhukivi
@karhukivi 7 ай бұрын
Excellent! I have to build one now and the first item I will test is the ASA V-I Tracer (shown at 1:47) which I bought but which doesn't work - no output. Thank you!
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 7 ай бұрын
So you need a curve tracer to repair a curve tracer 🙂 There are some tools you always need two... like soldering irons for example.
@karhukivi
@karhukivi 7 ай бұрын
Yes, DVMs and screwdrivers, but the irony of having to repair the test kit....
@BlondieSL
@BlondieSL 7 ай бұрын
Back in my old TV Repair days, I built the tracer device and used the old tube scope that I had. It worked a wonder. LOL Sometimes, old tricks still work nicely today.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 7 ай бұрын
The old tricks are always the best 🙂
@BlondieSL
@BlondieSL 7 ай бұрын
@@PlaywithJunkLeave my EX out of this. ROFL hehhehehehe I'm so sorry... I just had to! It's also a long-standing joke in my circles. 😅😂🤣
@AdrianTechWizard
@AdrianTechWizard 8 ай бұрын
The choice of steel for the heat sink is probably because it is also providing a lot of the structure of the PSU against torsional and compressive forces.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 8 ай бұрын
No. It is just a wrong choice. A 1mm aluminium sheet would be stable enough.
@markovichglass
@markovichglass 6 ай бұрын
They probably had family in a steel manufacturing factory that did bending. That way his whole family got paid 😅
@blugoose86
@blugoose86 2 ай бұрын
Can I ask you the manufacture of your de-soldering tool? Yours works so much better and faster than mine. Great informative video. Especially the curve tracer. Thank you!
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 2 ай бұрын
It's an old PACE model. They are expensive but good. One station we use is over 30 years old.
@edwardgilmour9013
@edwardgilmour9013 7 ай бұрын
I found the Huntron 2000 very useful when working for Telstra Service Center for near 14 years. Very expensive through.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 7 ай бұрын
Expensive yes but it still works after 20+ years. And we still use it.
@victorvaldes9238
@victorvaldes9238 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the useful information, very informative. I would like to know as to where can I purchase the “DISTRELECT” Resistor Lead Forming Tool.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 8 ай бұрын
You can’t. That tool is over 30 years old. But if you google lead bender you will find similar tools
@paulsmith9574
@paulsmith9574 3 ай бұрын
You have to be carefull with the curve tracer on some lower voltage IC's. You can destroy them checking pins. I used one of those, and in some cases it is a handy tool once you understand how to use it. Different manufacturer IC's can look very different when testing the same pins. You can make an adapter like that to attach to your scope.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 3 ай бұрын
That's correct. But when using in the "low" range it outputs about 3Vp. I have never experienced a defect caused by the tester. You may kill a laser diode...
@TymexComputing
@TymexComputing 8 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@jesusaguilar5708
@jesusaguilar5708 2 ай бұрын
grate video Sir
@KeritechElectronics
@KeritechElectronics 9 ай бұрын
As seen on Mr Carlson's Lab :) I sometimes use one I built from a gutted old scope. Speaking of scopes - Hameg had a bunch of models (e.g. HM204) with that feature built in. Pretty nice. Lovely 10Ω resistor :) All hail the FULL BRIDGE RECTIFIER, for it brings us the power!
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 9 ай бұрын
AMEN!
@Galova
@Galova 6 ай бұрын
wonderful tool really! one question please, what is that desoldering pump you use? It looks like it is a lot easier and safier to use than usual pump plus iron I use.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 6 ай бұрын
This is a desoldering station from PACE (USA). Our station is very old but they still make tools like that. But they are not cheap...
@ottonormalverbrauch3794
@ottonormalverbrauch3794 7 ай бұрын
I had one from Hameg ( I think) as an add-on to a scope.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 7 ай бұрын
Yes some Hameg scopes had that… I wish I had one.
@kurbads74
@kurbads74 7 ай бұрын
When I listened and watched the first seconds of the video, I thought to myself, finally a video on topic I am curious about with a good sound. Then the jingle passed and I was faced with the usual sobbing into a pillow sound quality.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 7 ай бұрын
I'm sorry to hear that. I have a new microphone and I'm not completely familiar with it. I hope you could still enjoy the rest of the video which is quite interesting IMHO
@johnsampson8600
@johnsampson8600 7 ай бұрын
I used to use and love the huntron tracker. It is cool to see one of those again. Best probes ever, I need some new ones. Do you have a source for the probes?
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 7 ай бұрын
The probes and cables on the tracker are from Hirschmann, a german company. They are pretty old, I don't know if they are still made in the same style. You should get the products from all big distributors.
@jankohler562
@jankohler562 5 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for your video. I will buy myself a device right now too. One question; I find your desoldering tool very intriguing. Is it sucking up the solder? Or is is a blow torch? Which one is it you are using and could you please give a recommendation? Thanks in advance.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 5 ай бұрын
It sucks.... 🙂 It's a Pace desoldering station and it's relatively expensive. I have one at home too but I only bought the handpiece and put an old transformator and a tiny vacuum pump in an enclosure. That works pretty well too...
@jankohler562
@jankohler562 5 ай бұрын
Another very helpful advice. Thank you very much.
@screen-protector
@screen-protector 3 ай бұрын
When I looked that you've said diodes are shorted, and after removing them didn't check if the short is still on the PCB, I've started to worry :D.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 3 ай бұрын
Normally I do check after replacing components but in this case, I know that board so well, I know it's only the diodes. :-) I normally also check the input (AC) connector curve and I only apply power when it's OK. I guess I have done that off camera. (Or is it in the video?)
@screen-protector
@screen-protector 3 ай бұрын
@@PlaywithJunk I've watched it 2 days ago, so not sure m8 :), sorry.
@Orbis92
@Orbis92 9 ай бұрын
Has the Mosfet at 12:51 blown? Looks to me like a big crack at the side :O
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 9 ай бұрын
Yes that one is defective. Maybe caused by the "superb" mounting. Problem is that this Mosfet/chip is not available anymore. So repair is difficult.
@andrew_koala2974
@andrew_koala2974 9 ай бұрын
I still have a CTO from decades ago - 5 decades - I never threw it out. Besides that - I also have more modern CROs as well as The current RIGOL 4 channel 200MHz -- and that will sill be around after I am dead. So I don't know what will happen to all my tools and equipment.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 8 ай бұрын
Well... donate them to a school or a makers-lab before you die ;-)
@justtinkering6713
@justtinkering6713 8 ай бұрын
Yep. I had one in 1966.
@asbestomolesto
@asbestomolesto 8 ай бұрын
You maybe solved a mystery that was haunting me from decades! I was working in greece and I used a similar devices in the '90, to test and fix digital boards full of components, by tracing faults. It worked like this: You have a GOOD board and an identical faulty one. You put the ground on all 2 boards, then you probe the good board and the bad board anywhere (on IC pins etc) and you must have identical images. When you found a different shape, almost every time there's where the fault is - change the component, test again, etc. I never remember how this device was called. Do you think that this is it? Thank you :)
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 8 ай бұрын
That sounds like our Huntron Tracer 2000. It has two channels that can be set to alternate and that makes it easy to compare two circuits or boards. That's why we call it the Idiots Tester 🙂 You don't need to know anything about the circuit. When you see a difference... replace the chip. I did that many times too.... 🙂
@windward2818
@windward2818 8 ай бұрын
Yes this is the Huntron, which model I do not know. But, what you are doing is called power-off direct comparative analog signature analysis.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 8 ай бұрын
PODCASA That's a nice acronym 🙂
@harrymartin1661
@harrymartin1661 8 ай бұрын
Sehr gut. Habe auch beide. Gibt es das auch in deutsch? Danke.
@jozefnovak7750
@jozefnovak7750 6 ай бұрын
Super!
@fu1r4
@fu1r4 6 ай бұрын
Is that a Weller with a magnastat tip? I bought mine 1982 and it is still working 👍
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 6 ай бұрын
No, it's a slightly more modern electronic station with a temperature selecting knob. But we also have some Magnastats around for soldering training.
@robertogabriel6430
@robertogabriel6430 2 ай бұрын
Very good! Could You post the mosfet tester schematic? Thank You!!
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 2 ай бұрын
It's super simple. Look at 7:58 in the video. Plus and minus of the tester are connected to drain and source of the MOSFET. Gate is connected through one button to plus and through the other button to minus. So you just press one bitton and gate gets connected to drain or source. That's all... If you press both buttons at the same time, you get a short, indicated by a vertical line.
@robertogabriel6430
@robertogabriel6430 2 ай бұрын
@@PlaywithJunk Thank You very much!!!
@Rob_65
@Rob_65 5 ай бұрын
Have we not all used a simple multimeter in resistor or diode mode to test circuits ? Well, this octopus tester does the same. But instead of having to swap leads and switch between different modes, it does this all in one go. If you want to go real fancy, replace the transformer with a sine wave generator. That way you can not only identify if there is a resistance/short/diode but even show inductance and capacitance
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 5 ай бұрын
We have a newer Huntron2000 that has such an oscillator. It can do 50, 400 and 2000Hz (or so...)
@haralamc
@haralamc 9 ай бұрын
I'd love to see a collab video between playingwithjunk and tronixfix. Probably logistically impossible but I feel tronix would learn some cool shit
@gigahzmjb2822
@gigahzmjb2822 6 ай бұрын
I made one back in the 1980's when I was an AT in the USN.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 5 ай бұрын
Does it still work? What's an "AT"?
@wadib3eed7
@wadib3eed7 8 ай бұрын
Do you know a method to test a logic gate inside a circuit without remove it from the board? and some optocouplers too ?
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 8 ай бұрын
For TTL logic, we use our tracker as showed in the video, just a commercial one. With simple gates you can see a difference between a faulty and a good one. But you need a good board to compare.
@gregoryboyk2612
@gregoryboyk2612 6 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 5 күн бұрын
Oh… thank you! I think you are the first „super thanker“
@gregoryboyk2612
@gregoryboyk2612 5 күн бұрын
@@PlaywithJunk you're welcome. Thank you for your efforts.
@Sergio-he8sw
@Sergio-he8sw 9 ай бұрын
Pretty good. Is there any part number for that blue component lead bender? Thank you.
@t1d100
@t1d100 9 ай бұрын
It appears that the manufacturer/seller information and model number are on the right end of the bender, in the video. You might give it another look. HTH.
@bansci
@bansci 9 ай бұрын
That's a prime candidate for 3D printing these days!
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 9 ай бұрын
Just google "lead bending tool" They are still manufactured in all kind of forms and sizes.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 9 ай бұрын
That will not help much because the tool is from the 1970's. But if you google "lead bending tool" you will find it.
@donerskine7935
@donerskine7935 8 ай бұрын
You can make a simple lead bending tool from a piece of Veroboard / stripboard cut diagonally on one side
@ipavemyownroad
@ipavemyownroad 7 ай бұрын
Where did you get that blue tool that helps you bend component leads at the right point? I've never seen a multi-size one like that!
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 7 ай бұрын
This one is from the 1980s but you can find similar tools when searching for "lead bending tool" You can also make one yourself by using a project board with 0.1" grid space. Cut strips with the desired width and use them as tool.
@googlefuuplayad9055
@googlefuuplayad9055 4 ай бұрын
Thank you. Very cool. Where is the sucked solder going to...? Is there a chamber you can clean? 7:41 😊👍👍 8:40 maybe put some clear tape on it to prevent further damage.? Thx 4 this vid 😊👍 Ps: 12:39 😅😂😂😳😂😂👍 elsewhere the Power switch would have gotten too hot.. 😉
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 4 ай бұрын
The solder gets sucked into a glass tube inside the handle. This can be cleaned easily. The newer model we got has disposable tubes made of cardboard. They last quite a while but I prefer the reusable system because it costs nothing except some time for cleaning.
@sham1234567891
@sham1234567891 5 ай бұрын
Great stuff. Regretable that default sound level too low.
@GiC7
@GiC7 8 ай бұрын
Nice
@Multifuchs
@Multifuchs 8 ай бұрын
Didn't you replace the X2 Capacitors as well? In my experience they are mostly always gone =)
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 8 ай бұрын
I never had problems with filter caps. Only the electrolytics. Some HiFi components have problems with caps connected to the mains switch. Like my Revox record player… but never in such power supplies
@CarbonGlassMan
@CarbonGlassMan 7 ай бұрын
What is that you're using to remove the solder and components from the circuit board? Sounds like it has a pump hooked to it.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 7 ай бұрын
It's a PACE desoldering station. It uses a hollow tip and it has a vacuum pump inside the station box. It sucks the molten solder from the PCB.
@vijayakumarimukundan1297
@vijayakumarimukundan1297 8 ай бұрын
Where will be get this individual component tester I know old analogue oscilloscope is available using individually please reply me
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 8 ай бұрын
In the video at about 2:00 you can see all kinds of testers.... choose what you need.
@button-puncher
@button-puncher 7 ай бұрын
It'd be interesting to make one but use a frequency generator and class-D amplifier as the signal source. You could vary the level and frequency of the generator for whatever that you are working on. Low voltage for sensitive electronics, high frequency to test SMPS caps.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 7 ай бұрын
A class-d amplifier is probably a bit overkill because you don't need much power. Maybe you find schematics of the Huntron 2000 tracer, that has 50Hz, 400Hz and 2000Hz.
@button-puncher
@button-puncher 7 ай бұрын
@@PlaywithJunk Thanks for the tip on the Huntron schematics. I'll have to look in to that. I was saying class-d because they are SO cheap. But you're right, some little class-AB like a LM386 would probably be perfect. Heck, for 1mA, you could just use an op-amp.
@4623620
@4623620 8 ай бұрын
Sehr interessantes Video 👌😀👍 (Ich würde gerne mehr über dieses Entlötgerät sehen/wissen❗)
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 8 ай бұрын
Dann guck mal bei der Firma Pace rein… von denen ist das. Allerdings sehr alt, die neueren sehen anders aus.
@christianvictor827
@christianvictor827 7 ай бұрын
Ich nutze da eine ZD-915 Entlötstation. Billig aber erfüllt seine Aufgabe. Meine beste Investition bisher.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 7 ай бұрын
​@@christianvictor827 Die ist wiklich sehr günstig. Für eine Pace musst Du noch eine Null dranhängen an den Preis... 🙂
@christianvictor827
@christianvictor827 7 ай бұрын
@@PlaywithJunk Teilweise sogar zwei Nullen. 😄 Für den Preis ist die ZD aber echt in Ordnung wenn man nicht jeden Tag 8h damit arbeiten muss.
@foxmoulder2430
@foxmoulder2430 8 ай бұрын
Mein Hameg 605 hat auch einen Komponententester sehr gut bei der Fehlersuche spart zeit ohne ende
@sholimz
@sholimz 7 ай бұрын
5:58s sounds like a pacecenter desoldering tool working. Could it be correct?
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 7 ай бұрын
Yes it’s a Pace. A very old one from the 1980s
@sholimz
@sholimz 7 ай бұрын
@@PlaywithJunk yes, i am talking about the 80s experience. I used it daily in the factory. Later we added an ersa which has no foot pedal. Just using your index finger to block the hole to start vacuuming. Have u seen one?
@charlessmyth
@charlessmyth 7 ай бұрын
The tester looks like a handy item. That de-solder pump works remarkably well :-)
@djzio
@djzio 8 ай бұрын
That PCB went BENG
@burntoutelectronics
@burntoutelectronics 6 ай бұрын
8:20 what is the name of that blue component lead bender?
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 5 ай бұрын
I'd call it a "component lead bender".... why not gooogle that?
@sholimz
@sholimz 7 ай бұрын
We had that huntron 2000, but rarely used.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 7 ай бұрын
I can't say it's junk because I find it very useful. Maybe you tried to repair the wrong devices... It's perfect for analog circuits like power supplies or TVs
@sholimz
@sholimz 7 ай бұрын
@@PlaywithJunk i am sorry to say junk, i hereby delete it. It is because most of us technicians were not given proper training by the sellers, those who knew how to use left the office, leaving new ones to the instructions manual which was quite thick. Anyway that was the 80s.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 7 ай бұрын
@@sholimz Of course you need someone who shows you how to use it. If you don't know what the wiggly lines mean, you're lost 🙄
@elektronikvideos-bremen2873
@elektronikvideos-bremen2873 6 ай бұрын
8:15 Die Biegelehre ist ja cool! So eine müsste man sich mal ausdrucken.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 6 ай бұрын
Sollte kein Problem sein. Einfach das 0.1" Raster beachten (2.54mm). Man kann so ähnliche Teile auch kaufen. (Google: Biegelehre für Widerstände)
@user-dq6jh3vh1b
@user-dq6jh3vh1b 6 ай бұрын
Greetings! Are there any other examples of repairs using Octopus on your channel? Thank you.
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 6 ай бұрын
Not at the moment. But when I see how popular this video got, I'll probably add some more :-)
@user-dq6jh3vh1b
@user-dq6jh3vh1b 6 ай бұрын
@@PlaywithJunk I am a Russian-speaking Internet user and watched your video and liked it. You will have more interesting videos, and their viewing will also increase. But maybe I'm wrong🙂
@PlaywithJunk
@PlaywithJunk 6 ай бұрын
@@user-dq6jh3vh1b Sometimes it is surprising what videos get a lot of views. It's almost unpredictable... 🙂 But repair videos are always popular.
@user-dq6jh3vh1b
@user-dq6jh3vh1b 6 ай бұрын
@@PlaywithJunk Keep releasing videos.
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