Solar Pond Aeration No Batteries Suntaqe PWB Controller | Missouri Wind and Solar

[@GetRhythm2011]

Jeff, PLEASE give your son, the ever-crafty inventor, a HUGE THANK YOU! Many thanks for coming up with the auto-resetting function that allows it to restart automatically. Man, that ROCKS! Many thanks again and again for this setup working as it does, Chuck

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Your welcome Chuck. I will tell Wyatt

[@krakenking1597]

Thanks for the video\idea, I'm glad you let me see the boost converter I picked one up for $3.00 and hooked it to my cheap 400 watt harbor freight inverter, got a cheap ebay pump for $25.00 and power it with my 100 watt panel. genius!

[@AfsalPA]

it is buck converter ..more than 12 v from solar panel to 12v output. I think

[@QuantumRift]

Nice! I have a 23' Aeration windmill, and it works great for my half-acre pond. however, on days with NO wind, I get no aeration. I can install this on my tower, to feed the air hose to the aeration stone and it will work to augment the windmill AND work on NON-windy days. AWESOME!!!

[@chinwem7228]

Please, what's the specification and brand of your aeration pump?

[@retiredfdnyhm1]

I know this video is old. Can you tell the electrical parts you used except for the inverter and air pump. Also the relay that you keep talking about too. Thanks

[@NWIPrepper19113]

Hi Jeff, you could use a balloon to show the pump working. Great demo, thanks.

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

NWIPrepper19113 Yeah i guess so. Could run it till it goes BOOM ! People like that stuff.

[@troyb.4101]

I like it, thanks for the idea. I'm a repeat customer. thanks for the help over the years.

[@craigslist04]

Jeff, can you explain what this electronic device / Buck Boost does and how it works in another video? A detailed instruction of how to wire the relay would be nice. Links to these products would also help. Thanks, Jeff.

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Yeah, i'll be doing another video of it all wired up and just how it works.

[@354133]

Now if you can run a small water pump. you would have something Jeff. I would like to get one of those myself. could be very useful on the farm.

[@ChileExpatFamily]

I could use this system for my Aquaponics I think? It seems like this is just what I would need.

[@badiolaalejandro5709]

I love watching your videos it is really fullnof information i would like to set up solar power when i get home keep posting i have learn a lot. More power sir!

[@xanataph]

Hey Jeff I was thinking about your configuration here and it is an excellent idea to use that buck/boost converter in this way. Had an idea thought the relay though. Instead ov just putting one in the 12v line to the inverter, which ov course would require a reasonably large one, you can instead switch the pilot line using a much smaller relay. The easiest way to get at this is to tap into the wires going to the power switch. You will find that these only carry a low current signal. Put your relay either in series or parallel with the power switch depending on your tastes. The advantage ov this is that you're basically telling the inverter's microcontroller to instigate power up or power down rather than just cutting the high current line into the inverter all ov a sudden. Tapping into the pilot line is also a great way to add a remote switch to any inverter. :)

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

That's a great idea, never thought about that. I am going to give that a try. The only drawback is it would void the warranty but at the cheap cost of it anyway i guess i wouldn't care. Thanks Jeff

[@xanataph]

MissouriWindandSolar Yeah no doubt it would, but as you say those small inverters are cheap as nowadays. Plus there is not much that can go wrong adding some relay contacts across the power switch, providing those lines don't get connected anywhere else inadvertently. How were you planning on getting the relay to disconnect before the voltage gets too low? You would need some sort ov voltage sensitive trigger circuit as relays on their own tend to have a massive differential in their pick up and drop out voltages. I once built a circuit for my old boss' 1000watt inverter such that in the event the inverter got overloaded and shut down it would switch it off compleatly, wait around 5 minutes and then power it up again. It was to run a beer fridge in his truck while out on jobs (sound systems). This inverter could run the fridge fine as long as the compressor did not stop near top dead centre at the end ov a cycle. If it did the inverter would overload and cut out when the thermostat switched in again. However, if you waited a little while and then reapplied power it would work. So my circuit essentially did this automatically.

[@xanataph]

***** The idea here is to do away with the batteries. On the face ov it you could simply use a DC pump and if you have what some call a "Load Optimiser", which is simply a circuit that properly matches the power from the panel into the pump motor you will get more hours ov run time per day than a direct connexion. However I think Jeff's point here is that the AC pond aeration pumps are much cheaper than the DC variety.

[@xanataph]

***** No one is arguing that you can't use a battery if that's the way you would like to go. And I agree with the right sized battery and panel you can have a pump running 24 hours a day if you like. But running pumps without batteries so they only work on reasonably sunny days or better is a common thing that is done nowadays & many people are interested in doing just this. Comparatively a solar panel is a *relatively* high impedance source compared to the *relatively* low impedance motor. Maximum power transfer only happens when the source & load impedances are equal. If we were talking about AC circuits here one would simply use a transformer to correctly match them. A Load Optimiser does the same thing but with DC. It's essentially a switchmode DC transformer. Except that it can dynamically change it's "ratio" to make the best ov the available conditions.

[@RodPennington]

xanataph The problem with a daylight only aerator is that most fish kills occur on hot summer nights when the algae actually starts using the oxygen in the pond instead of adding oxygen to the pond like it does in sunlight.

[@buzzsah]

Good idea for a part time pumps plus.

[@mmedicina1]

Jeff, thanks for the effort to educate us. Can you run a DC pump with same specifications directly from a charger controller load, obviously when sunny in on and start automatically in am? Why not using the charger controller (no battery) vs relay-are you saving some money? thank you so much for your dedication.

[@Trial-N-ErrorFarms-jk9iz]

If you had had this system available at last year's (2023) Ozark Homesteading Expo, I would have bought 2. Set it up and put a price on the kit so the girls can just point. Teach the girls how to sell and not say, "He knows the details. He will be back in a little while."

[@richarddowner4292]

great video Jeff. thanks.....how much is that rely system your taking about cost? that could work sweet for more than just a pond pump... thanks bud...

[@amberbellikka4171]

Richard Downer i

[@larryl1272]

This will save us a lot of money and I'm anxious to put it into use. Which relay switch do we connect, Jeff, and where does it go?

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Between the buck boost and the inverter. I will have a relay i think will work good soon. The one we had didn't work out.

[@Larry342516]

Where can you buy the buck boost relay Jeff? Did you have to wire the relay a special way to keep the power inverter from staying off? Maybe I missed that in the video. Thanks

[@charlesgonzalez3266]

Jeff,Can you do a video on how to run a swimming pool pump the same way..Great videos for the DIY

[@jarrejo1]

Hi, Whats the maximum depth it could pump air down to? My pond is 2.5m deep (8' 6"). I couldnt find anything in the specs for this pump. For the Hakko 70L/min maxim 10ft = 3m

[@Colin_In_VK]

Can you do another video showing it with the relay and how to wire the relay? Is this ok to run other things how many amps can you draw through that thing? Thanks

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

You can draw 7 amps thru it.I'll will be doing another video with the electronics hooked up to it.

[@Lumberman2011]

that is a neat trick to save on batts Can you leave a link to the new product? Thx Jeff!

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Yeah, i'll put a link to it when i have it.

[@TamaquaareaWebsite]

Link?

[@genemayne1577]

nice set up Jeff

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

gene mayne Getting ready to do part 2 of it. I have the other electronics done now. Now it's cloudy, gotta wait until tomorrow.

[@genemayne1577]

Hi Jeff I like the way you show everything on your videos about wind and solar and the ways it can be made to work for people who may not have enough money to buy more batteries .Like the solar pond aeration with no batteries required and the electronic set up that you are using ,I lost all my solar set up in a Lightning strike and watch all your videos on wind turbines and solar set up. I have seen so much that I did wrong like setting up grounding wires its a wonder it lasted the years, how are the fish doing and now I have to use mains power again what wast of money with so much free sun and wind power I even tried making a house fan into wind turbine well it charge two AA batteries lol .

[@RJM1011]

Thank you Jeff.

[@JohnjohnnybegoodMatczak]

Thanks for sharing Jeff!!!!!!

[@mosesusani]

I been bless by your wind n solar panel tutorials, as I can now perform installations. Thanks

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Moses Iwara I am glad you got something out of it. Wind turbines and solar panels are easy once you get the basics down.

[@bernardfrancissirur9538]

Hi Jeff. Great stuff.

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Thanks Bernard Jeff

[@1tactundra140]

Where can I get the magical part?

[@AllThingsRamdom]

Thanks for sharing buddy!

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Your welcome Tyson

[@scottscott9150]

Are there inverters that you can change what voltage they shut off at? I imagine the pump would still work even at 9 and10 volts?

[@ian57812]

Neat set up. Would this pump the water round my very large hot tub? Lol. seriously though its a great idea. Thumbs up from me.

[@luckycat66]

I have a farm pond around 12 acres with a maximum dept of around 10 feet close to the damn..... Do you "sell" a unit like this that would work for this application or suggest the materials to handle a mechanism for this application ?

[@somkhadka9073]

Hi Jeff, Great Video, i just want to know , what is that device beside inverter & for what purpose is it?

[@pilotandy_com]

Makes me wonder if you can find a DC motor and dispense with the inverter as well.

[@Harley13411]

Very cool thanks for sharing

[@danielderdzinski6685]

great video Jeff,will this system keep a hole open during the winter months in upstate ny?

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Daniel Derdzinski Yes it will with no problem at all.

[@Dldmny]

Jeff does the pond aerator system require a separate earth ground?

[@randymiller3583]

Any link so someone can purchase this system?

[@WingedMark]

Relay?? I think you mean regulator. Please advise.

[@bel-pretreetreedog643]

Ever resolve relay switch?

[@OGcasualdreamer]

Do y'all have a setup to charge a battery and automatically switch to battery power at night or cloudy day?

[@Interp66]

Great information!

[@johnmcartoracton1579]

Is there an inverter that will produce enough amps to drive a piston air pump with out going to the 24V system?

[@MrJoey32370]

Cant you use any solar panel for example a 320 watts s panel will work to.

[@stoo234]

Nice i like the no battery approach... Could you advise if this would work... Solar panel to inverter to air con that inverts (hot to cold n viceversa)..to help cool in summer and warm in winter.?..just a thought....energy is silly expensive over here...any offset would soon add up.cheers.I've subbed too:)

[@mikevickers4727]

What is that little unit called, and please, many asking, relay?

[@maryrhodes5925]

wholly s Jeff, put a fan on it and we can VENT OUR CARGO CONTAINERS WITH NO BATTERY BANK OR CONTROLLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we have 3 conex boxes you just saved us big $$$ might buy another turbine with the savings. Tks Ronnie and Shelly in Va.

[@scott98390]

If you had a DC pump you wouldn't need an inverter, would you?

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

+Scott Baker No you wouldn't but you cannot get a dc air pump that works. I have tried several and they are just junk from China.

[@robertnorris3036]

+MissouriWindandSolar I was going to ask the same thing. I couldn't find any decent sized DC ones. Why don't they make them? There's plenty of 12VDC water pumps available.

[@buddythedoxie]

Go to a camper site and ask if thay can get you one

[@scottscott9150]

MissouriWindandSolar what about Honda Civic car water pumps? (Or car ones in general) I heard they are dirt cheap silent and powerful and 12 volts. Honda ones.

[@michaelcollins3455]

This idea does not work. I wish it did, but it doesn't. You may notice that after he puts in the magical circuit unit, the alarm on the cheap inverter goes off (before AND after). The company only charges a little more than the parts involved...so I'll give them that. The bottom line is that this system will shut off everytime the inverter senses low input. That's that. Also--you don't want to pump air into the bottom of your pond during the day. You want to do that at night, otherwise, you wind up with a hot pond--which isn't good for anything. I liked the idea too much. Luckily I was able to scavenge most of the system for use in other applications. (Not the inverter though--which was of the lowest quality I've seen in decades.) I ordered this over the phone. Even though I got the same person on the phone a few weeks after, their claim was that I must have dialed the wrong number. I used the pump, dug a very long trench for the air hose, and plugged it into a reliable electric source (i.e. could be a solar battery bank). Wish all of you the best. If someone can think of a way to make this work (without batteries) so that the inverter doesn't shut down and need to be restarted by hand, I'd be interested in hearing your ideas. Last point, I was running 300+ photovoltaic panals over the course of a week of testing. Night comes at some point anyway, which means that either the invertor will shut off and drain batteries...etc. There must be a way to do what was shown in the video, but--again--you'd be swapping cool water from the bottom of your pond during the most intense sun-lit times of the day. That is no help.

[@shawhit3462]

Wow, great way to save money!

[@michaelchan6681]

Can I use submersible pump?

[@steveandjacquie]

do you sell the relays that make this happen?

[@2Ryled]

What size pond does it aerate?

[@dmeskill2]

Awesome!

[@Brommes]

great stuff ..

[@eduardoaloyan4943]

How much thats unit?

[@santacreuza03]

that is amazing thank you

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

+Jamilly Santos Your welcome

[@johnotoole5644]

are you going to sell these buck boost relays?

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Yes we'll be selling them John. Jeff

[@johnotoole5644]

MissouriWindandSolar nice, I was researching the circuit, but easier to buy it if reasonable. btw I just received two freedom 1500 turbines I bought off ebay, I'm so excited to get one of them up. thanks

[@olawalesuleimon]

I try to do solar project, 1 used two 35 Watts air pump(70litres/hr) + a 100 watts solar panel(mono), 24V Solar Panel battery charge controller 30A amp 12V Solar PV system Black. For the end of the vinyl tubing I just used the 6(x2) outlet manifold that came with the air pumps with ceramic air stones. I don't known what am doing wrong but it not working, i connect the solar panels to the solar panel slut and at the moment no battery.and no action, i connect a old dead battery and i hear some thing, test the volts , got reading from the solar panels and the battery but no power at the load. without load i can't power my air pumps and fan. please any advise you give will be well recieved . Thanks in advance

[@harley96cube]

Nice

[@tracyrreed]

Something weird is going on with the sound on this video. I only hear sound in the left headphone. Other videos have stereo (or at least binaural) sound so I know it isn't my end.

[@WORRO]

Liked!

[@sonnylee5517]

.Jjeff will this run a water pump?

[@giobelkoicentercom]

whats the name of that inverter?

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Aim's

[@giobelkoicentercom]

Where can I buy it?

[@barryfigel3137]

wiil it run a pool pump

[@jwwm2]

Hmm... Too bad we don't have a 12v DC pump.

[@QuantumRift]

LOL, yea, cause you're gonna need that light during the day when the solar cells work.

[@Traxxis03]

It's not about the light dummy...

[@douglasgriswold2533]

@@Traxxis03 NO shit, Sherlock. Go back to sleep.

[@Traxxis03]

@@douglasgriswold2533 so why bring it up dummy?

[@douglasgriswold2533]

@@Traxxis03 Like I said, go back to sleep, Sherlock. Your powers of observation are somewhat lacking.

[@Traxxis03]

@@douglasgriswold2533 right....

[@chriscarr82]

Never explained how it worked. I’m confused.

[@alan30189]

Nice way to save on your power bills, but if you are aerating a fish pond to keep fish alive, you will still need an electric back-up system wired directly from your house to keep your fish alive when it shuts down.

[@scottscott9150]

alan30189 it's too cut down on algae. Fish can survive in ponds with no pump. They've been doing it for millions of years

[@organicfarmingbasedonimo4547]

I want to aerate water tank 2000 lT to prepare organic fertiluzer continuously fo 2 to three days. What is the cost ,can it be shiped to India.

[@maryrhodes5925]

Will there be a 12v and 24v model? our computer is by the chicken coop.. You should here my chickens now...BAK.....BAK....BAK...BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSTA...!!!!!!!!

[@TopSecretVid]

why do you repeat ..the same over and over.ug..

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

I don't have a script, just do the best i can