Solving Crater Lake's Most Mysterious Death - Charles McCullar (PART 2)

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[@larrywakeman4371]

SO true, absolutely. He speaks so eloquently, objectively, and CLEARLY, not like DP with that raspy voice I can't understand half of what he says, which is opinionated and non -existent coincidences. and tohse suicide rants, ugh, I dont' want to hear that! This young man is veyr prepared and knowledgable and doesn't give sarcastic remarks and does not exude a cocky attitude!

[@Fuhrious]

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[@hucklebuckchuck7218]

Except the fact that park rangers didn’t find Charles’s belongings, hunters in the area did, and then they turned them into the park rangers. I hate to be the stickler, but that’s not the way it happened. Park rangers didn’t just find his things, hunters did.

[@akristen4971]

@@hucklebuckchuck7218 it’s good to add detail IMHO

[@peterguirguess853]

That is correct, the details matter. Also, the only way this guy knows those details is if he took part in the crimes. He is an advanced person of interest In 2 of the crimes that he "covered"

[@SaginawCareerComplex]

@@peterguirguess853 A person of interest? In "crimes" that happened decades before his birth? Get a grip.

[@stephpom5373]

He's so creepy though. Feigns empathy

[@grantorino2009]

Thank you for going out there. When I hear M411 and others speak in absolutes by saying, “There’s no way searchers could have missed him,” I just look at this terrain and know otherwise. Finding a person quickly in this or any wilderness is an almost impossible task. Like you said, I can’t believe they even found this poor man in the first place.

[@mattlong4102]

Don't forget though that dogs and grid pattern searches are nearly impossible to to miss. It does seam like people are truly missing then later dropped at the spot.

[@stuckinneutral3522]

@@mattlong4102 I rather take the lesson that dogs and grid pattern searches miss more things than we think, and we should learn to improve them.

[@noctotainlowry9246]

​@@mattlong4102the moment you say something is immpossible your a idiot. They can and they do. Often a dog is not a machine it will not put out the same result every time. Same with a person.

[@elonever.2.071]

They had no idea where he could have been and did the best they could. The original assumption was that he couldn't have gotten so far off the beaten path in that much snow so their original search area was around the lake. As he showed in the video you could hear the stream but you couldn't see it and there was no reason to suspect that he was down there. The risk of sending searchers down a steep and dangerous area is not worth the risk especially if it is a recovery.

[@deerichardz]

@@mattlong4102 You obviously have never talked to SAR members. Dogs are not as reliable as you may think, and many SAR members are volunteers, aiding the more experienced SAR crews.

[@JohnCompton1]

Perhaps another reason for appearing "poured into the jeans", was that he fell through the snowbank and was trapped standing up. Also he may have had all his valuables together, perhaps in a watertight manner, and they were all washed away together.. Occam's razor usually applies to these situations. Thanks so much for sharing such an intriguing case with us!

[@dedbaka]

this is exactly what I thought! I've been in a similar situation in the Colorado rockies in winter. Fell straight down and got stuck standing up. I was only able to get myself out since the snow was up to my waist. But at eight ft or more, I think it is the most likely solve.

[@markvincent522]

Tree wells trap people vertically all the time, although generally upside-down. I can absolutely see him falling through a deep snow bridge and being trapped vertically. If his face wasn't above the snow and he couldn't create a void around his mouth and nose, an ice mask would likely have developed, suffocating him, similar to what happens to some avalanche victims and the impetus for products like the Black Diamond Avalung. Alternatively, a cornice could absolutely develop at the top of the ridge over the creek, depending on wind direction. Charles may have approached the canyon, broken the cornice, fallen into the creek valley, and been buried deeply. That narrow canyon is a perfect example of a terrain trap, meaning even a smaller amount of snow like that of a small to medium cornice break (and associated sluff/slab breakage) can bury a victim very deeply. That's a tough spot, even if you have a buddy, beacons, shovels, and probes--alone, you're dead.

[@user-mv9tt4st9k]

My husband commented that he really likes the narration and fact based presentation of Charles McCullar's story. The Missing Enigma is one of my favorite channels for missing persons content. I agree that Charles McCullar very likely had an accident in the crazy snow and it killed him. At nineteen, most of us had a sense of invincibility which caused us to make choices that were potentially harmful or plain foolish. Charles probably had no realistic sense of the dangers he might face on his adventure. For what it is worth, I hope that the quality time he spent was worth it to him and may he rest in peace. 😊

[@Tser]

We get ice layers on top of snow surprisingly often in Oregon (either from melt or freezing rain on top of snow), and I hate when we do. It feels even more dangerous. It can be slippery like an ice rink, can be invisible or hidden under fresh snow, and you can break through and cut the heck out of your legs. No idea if that happened at that date, but it could also contribute to accidents. If it was just deep snow, though, making snowshoes isn't outside the range of activities for this individual, it sounds like a kind of challenge he might have enjoyed. He could have made them easily and quickly from branches, pine boughs, and some cord. I have hiked near there, around thirty years ago, in summer (we bushwhacked a lot back then). Stories of things going wrong, "experienced" people dying in the wilderness, and bodies not being found never surprise me. Accidents can happen to anyone, regardless of how much skill they have. Trees fall, land slides, storms storm. You can't prepare for everything and have to accept that wilderness has inherent dangers and risks. And all of life, really, but wilderness presents its own complicating matters. Nature is extremely good at erasing evidence... a creek can change it's own course in a single storm, toppling and burying trees, carving away hillsides -- a person's remains are nothing to spring thaw. And all of us, no matter how experienced, can make mistakes. I know why family and friends are often resistant to any kind of explanation that "blames" the deceased. It's terribly hard to think the person's actions contributed to their death. But making mistakes is a human condition. They want somewhere to assign blame, but not their loved one. It could be a mistake or just an unavoidable natural event, and I don't think that should reflect poorly on him either way. He was young, which means a lot of opportunities to make mistakes for the first time (we still make them when we're older, but hope we don't repeat the ones we survived and learned from). He was pushing the limits. He was doing what he loved. Having hiked the backcountry in that area, even in summer it'd be so easy to get hurt so many ways. I'm a three-seasons backpacker, and can only imagine, from watching such KZbin backpackers from the cozy warmth of my own home while planning trips for spring, how many other risks there are. And equipment then was heavier, less well- balanced, and harder to get... and a heavy or uneven load increases risk of accident and injury.

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[@ingridn0g]

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[@zackreuter6344]

Traveling to the scene really puts this case into context. Wow, that is some rough country. I live in the Rockies, where I go out into the back country every chance I get, and I would not make it any farther than you did. Charles might have seen something he wanted to get closer to, and if he had his camera at the ready when he fell, it could be anywhere. The broken leg bone pretty well cinches it for me. If he opened a can or two of food after being injured and trapped, then it must have been an awful way to go. The foul play ideas seem pretty far fetched to me. I'm no fan of Paulides for several reasons, not least of which is the thick layer of conspiracy hype he piles on every tragic case he can find. Thank you for taking a fresh and objective look at these mysteries.

[@bunnyluver2176]

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[@Kingdok10]

The fact that somebody even found this poor guy’s remains to begin with boggles my mind. There’s no way any search ever would have found him if he were trapped down there.

[@LionHeart0808]

I wish his dad could’ve seen this video because you knocked it out the park. I think you are spot on with you assessment. You did a great job investigating this and I don’t think you left any stone unturned.

[@tonybell2801]

I say this almost every time you post a new video: this is the best channel online for these kinds of cases. Your thoroughness, thoughtfulness, and objectiveness are so appreciated. I also admire how respectful you are of not just the victims of these case, but everyone around them, and those who might disagree with your opinions. Also, I'm so excited to see you're getting consistent sponsorships! These investigations seem to be your calling and I am glad you can make a living doing them.

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[@MountainCry]

I greatly appreciate you hiking to the creek to give us an idea of what the terrain is really like. When I had imagined this in my mind from the details I've heard, it was not like this! I am impressed that they found his body at all.

[@SeaBear007]

That's exactly what I was thinking. It's a miracle he was found at all, let alone people coming across his remains in under 2 years' time, in the middle of a very vast, rugged wilderness. Like a needle in a haystack.

[@TheMattTrakker]

@@SeaBear007 Makes you wonder if it was different back then. A lot can change in 50 years.

[@housekirk3165]

I think you're smart, logical, and probably missed (maybe) your calling as a police officer/detective. That being said, I enjoy your angle on these cases. Thanks for being objective in your analysis of all the videos you put out. I think they are great and I agree with another patron, " I think you are the best 411 youtuber".

[@brendascholz444]

I agree I dunno just the way this young man carries himself and his thorough research.. I thought to myself ... Is he FBI?🤔

[@benjalucian1515]

Total accident. Those ridges are super steep. He wouldn't have seen them, covered in 10 feet of snow. One step too close to the edge and down he would go, terribly injuring himself, and then covered in the snow falling down behind him.

[@marhawkman303]

Yeah missing person cases where the missing person did something dumb are surprisingly common.

[@scorbunny7737]

​@@marhawkman303not really a very Christian thing to say, is it? 😮

[@marhawkman303]

@@scorbunny7737 I disagree. God gave men the ability to choose our own fates. Is it a meaningful choice if no bad things happen to people making dumb choices? Telling someone they made a bad choice is actually morally right.

[@ununhexium]

@@marhawkman303 You really have no idea if he was being "dumb" or not in the moment of his demise. It's just an unnecessarily mean thing to say.

[@marhawkman303]

@@ununhexium Ok, I can give that it's something that's reasonable to call "mean". But I have to question how you define it as "unnecessary". At any rate, the basic plan he had of hiking alone in bad weather and worse terrain is adequate reason to call his actions "dumb". Making it worse was how he didn't even tell anyone where he was going.

[@deborahaumiller7391]

Just from suffering a wierd fall at work in a quiet part of an enormous building with plenty of people around, who saw nothing of that event, it was a serious injury. Had i been in the wilderness with thatcsame injury i can see how easily i could have died on the Bybee trail. RIP, young Charles.

[@TAStormChasing]

I want to touch upon the information that some of his items were missing. When I was a kid, my friend had a birthday party at a camp ground. One of his gifts was a Britney Spears cassette tape. It was left on a picnic table. During the evening raccoons raided the campsite. They took food but also the cassette. We found it yards away in the forest. Also, crows are known to take liking to shiny objects. So, the missing items could have been from curious critters. Thanks for the uploads!

[@ct5625]

I think it's more likely about the weight of items and their buoyancy. It seems to me all of the items they found were washed down river to this natural bottleneck, but heavier or denser items were likely still upstream where he probably originally died. In the 2 years between his disappearance and discovery those rivers would have swelled several times, moving items downstream. He could have passed away on the path he was most likely to have taken around from the north to the West, camped in that area before planning to resume East toward the lake. If something happened to him on that route his remains and belongings would have washed down stream in those 2 years.

[@markg3025]

I deeply respect the fact that you hike into the area instead of just reading the story. I also like the fact that you analyze the facts. Merry Christmas.

[@alphooey]

My Dad used to always say “don’t be so open minded your brain falls out of your head” so cool hearing you say it. He also believed in the paranormal.

[@TheGImp1214]

Experience and confidence is usually what gets people seriously injured or killed. My mom is a burn nurse and sees dozens of motorcycle accident patients. Its never the first time riders or the guys who are on long prepared trips. Its always the one where its a quick drive you’ve done 1000 times and you dont wear your helmet: thats where you get destroyed. This kid was 19 in likely peak physical condition with experience hiking. He probably thought he could do it and tragically lost his life walking across the snow. Not everything is a conspiracy.

[@jaynestrange]

In my experience, 19 year old boys often act like they're immortal. It's not that they're necessarily careless, just that they don't always consider that the worst case scenario could happen to them. Making snowshoes to go explore a dangerous area alone sounds like fairly typical behavior for an outdoors-y sort of 19-year-old.

[@kvarner6886]

I'm not sure why, but the way you look totally reminds me of a Golden Age of Hollywood movie star. Maybe your hairstyle? Anyway, your content is superb as usual. I absolutely adore how you try to look at these cases factually and realistically, versus the sensationalism I usually see in "missing 411" types of cases.

[@kathleenbarney3930]

I thought of Karen Sykes during the first video of this series as an example of how even an experienced outdoors person can die of exposure so was glad you brought her up. I live in Pierce county and the Longmire entrance is about an hour away. Karen had decades of experience, was very familiar with Rainier and still died a tragic accidental death. It unfortunately can happen to anyone and I am almost certain this was the case for Charles

[@ghostfacegirl180]

I hadn't heard the part about him possibly being in a hurry before. That makes a huge difference, especially if he was as confident in his skills as his dad was. A case of "get-there-itis" makes perfect sense now.

[@pnwpovsurfer_]

I greatly appreciate this channel. My take on missing 411 is that almost all cases are debunkable. At the end of the day going missing in the woods is a complete horror in itself.

[@panqueque445]

I've been eaten alive by mosquitos before and I have some... gross advice for dire situations. When bug repellent doesn't cut it, and there's way too many mosquitos, I cover my exposed skin in mud. It dries out and prevents mosquitos from biting. It's gross and not the most comfortable thing, but it's a hell of a lot better than getting bit every 2 seconds. Like I said, not a pleasant solution, but it gets the job done.

[@bjorntheviking6039]

Learn that trick from the warthogs? Lol

[@panqueque445]

@@bjorntheviking6039 Actually yes lmao. I thought "hey, if it works for them, maybe it'll work for me". And it did

[@bendy6626]

Indians did the same thing. Plus it worked for Arnold against alien predators 😂

[@user-mv9tt4st9k]

I go the chemical route and spray my hat and clothes with a spray heavy on the DEET. In most places, that works out for me. 😂😂

[@Madhouse_Media]

Just be careful with mud around open cuts. Gas gangrene is nothing to mess around with. I don't know how likely it is but I'm not gonna risk it.

[@kenmorgan9528]

I truly believe you have put this mystery to rest. Thanks for this.

[@medea27]

It’s always a relief to watch a creator who not only treats these stories with respect to the victims & families, but also goes the extra mile to film on-location... actually seeing the physical relationship of landmarks to each other, the terrain & types of vegetation, makes such a big difference in trying to puzzle through what could have happened. 👍 This is my first time hearing Charles' story, so I thought I’d add a few observations to help give some context to a couple of points. I’ve been shooting film photography since the 80’s in all sorts of locations - including snow. Cameras in the 1970’s were pretty rugged compared to now but required care in handling, since any exposure of your film to light, heat, water, etc can ruin it on the spot. You’d usually carry the camera inside your jacket to keep it above air temperature & dry (if you were actively taking photos) or bundled up in clothing inside your pack to avoid impacts. I think Mr McCullar’s reasoning about Charles’ camera, film & wallet being in a waterproof bag together is sound - if Charles is slogging through deep snow looking for campsites & good photo locations, it makes sense that he’s keeping the camera dry & safe in his pack. His love of photography also suggests a reason why Charles may have been venturing off the beaten track & be so willing to slog through deep snow…. us die-hard photographers are willing to be very uncomfortable in order to get the perfect shot! It’s easy for me to picture Charles walking along the tree-line at the top of a ridge looking for the perfect spot, not realising he was standing on a cornice or snow bridge. It’s also worth noting that Charles’ camera was certainly worth stealing, as they were far more valuable and far less common in the 1970's than today (especially for personal photography). I did a little digging to satisfy my own curiosity when I noticed Charles’ father mentioned the camera company (Ehrenreich Photo-Optical), who it turns out were the first to import Japanese cameras like Nikon & Mamiya to the US. These SLRs were several hundred dollars each in 1970, which equates to several _thousand_ in 2024… well worth pinching to offload at a pawn shop or sell to a buddy. So for me, like Mr McCullar, the absence of valuables (notably his camera, film and wallet) stands out significantly… these would be things Charles would keep safe in his pack and were unlikely to have become separated & washed downstream. And the nature of how his pack was allegedly found makes me instantly question the two guys who found his body & belongings… if they found his pack down in the creek, why bring it up to the ridge to open? If it was found on the ridge, why was it nowhere near Charles? Because the thing is… Charles’ death & the loss of his valuables could be two separate events. It’s possible that Charles’ death was accidental, and his valuables were taken by a person he was with at the time_ OR_ taken by someone who stumbled on them after he’d died & just didn’t report it. It’s also possible that he was murdered & the killer took his valuables. Or finally, that Charles died accidentally and his valuables were washed away or buried somehow. To me, given the info here I’d say the last option is the _least_ likely. ‘Foul play’ doesn't have to be as specific as a killer who stalked Charles from outside the park, murdered him & moved his body… I know that’s mostly Mr McCullar’s theory, and I don’t blame him for coming to that conclusion given the limited exposure most people had to forensics & crime investigation in the 1970’s. But a far more likely scenario would be an encounter with a hunter or other hiker _inside_ the park, with any “crime scene” being that very location his remains were found. Motive is rarely complex, and homicide is often spontaneous. People kill for far less than a camera & a few bucks. And unfortunately some people see accidents as opportunities for self-enrichment rather than heroism. The nature of hunting is opportunism, and Charles wouldn’t be the first or last person to have a dangerous encounter in remote locations with other hikers, hunters, poachers, or trappers. He could have hitch-hiked with someone who said they’d take him to a great spot, and when he fell through a snow bridge & broke his leg they panicked, took his valuables & left him to die. He could have been attacked by someone as he slept, and his body left to the elements. The problem is that with such limited evidence & barely enough bones to identify who it was, saying “there’s no evidence of foul play” is as much of a stab in the dark as saying the likely cause of death was hypothermia. We’re also talking 1976 law enforcement & forensics here. Multi-jurisdictional, to boot. So I don’t blame Charles’ father for being so dogged in chasing every branch of LE he could find with every possible scenario he could think of… it’s tough enough for families in the 2020’s to trust LE to find answers to their loved one’s death, let alone 50 years ago. Mr McCullar did an impressive investigation considering he didn’t have the benefit of the tools, knowledge base & crowd-sourced help we have today. And it always frustrates me to see people’s lives & deaths co-opted by people peddling the paranormal, so thank you for giving Charles & his father a voice again… subbed. 👍 RIP Charles 🤍

[@coderexe30]

Your efforts in this case have shown why it's so important to go onsite and look at these places in person. Seeing these sites in real life demonstrate realities that one would not of thought of if they hadn't seen it in person. It's easy to say "why didn't he walk outta there" but in reality the place he was found was a steep ravine, and in the winter would have been filled with many feet of snow, like you state. Great video.

[@lyndoncmp5751]

"Your efforts in this case have shown why it's so important to go onsite and look at these places in person." Its pointless and meaningless without going there in the same weather and season.

[@nrgltwrkr2225]

You are the best. Clear, thorough investigation, detailed presentation, logical. Beautiful closing summary. Just fantastic all around. I completely agree with your assessment.

[@mirba6933]

High snow is very dangerous in the wild forest. Every hole is yours. Wherever you step, you have to be careful not to fall into a hole. Just a broken bone or whatever if you don't have the strength to go out, you're done.

[@CthulhuianBunny]

Those clips of snow bridges and cornices were terrifying.

[@Know_Your_Enemy]

*THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT, INFORMATIVE & HARD WORKING CHANNEL ON KZbin!!!*

[@josi4251]

Yay! A new Missing Enigma video! A good reason to put off grading those college essays .... Anyway, great coverage on this case. You do such thorough research, and your thorough reporting is just so well done. Good on you!

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You re so much more prepared, articulate, charismatic and handsome than DP :) !!!! LOVE your channel! You should have a million subscribers~ Kimberly

[@ひかる-j1e]

You are among the most analytical, rational, logical and level headed thinkers I have ever listened to on this platform. Thank you for existing.

[@artcflowers]

I appreciate your research, honesty and delivery. Thanks

[@carolyns99]

Excellent work on both parts. I have always thought that this one was more likely to be misadventure that anything else and seeing the actual area (albeit in a different season) and your in depth explanation of what the conditions would have been like, certainly seems to confirm that. Of course, we can never know for certain, but thank you for your consummate professionalism in investigating this case (and others). I have come to hate the whole 411 thing - it taints everything about missing persons cases. There are certainly some cases that seem to defy explanation but lumping so many under a label that immediately infers a pre-conception of supernatural goings-on really does a disservice to the people whose stories these are. In most cases it is more likely to be humans being human and making mistakes and nonsensical (to others) decisions. Also, I hope the "how could the searchers not have found them?" brigade have a good look at what a wilderness area is actually like. Not the manicured lawns, tidy shrubs and neat paths that I'm sure some of them imagine.

[@DougShoeBushcraft]

Excellent video. I applaud you for travelling to the location and as close to the spot as possible. I'd say you've resolved much of the mystery surrounding the case. The terrain is so dangerous that I'm not surprised he died there. He was likely hypothermic, exhausted, and weak. Maybe his remains were found there because he didn't have the strength to get out. The cliff is too steep. The terrain is too rough. Add deep snow and it's a trap

[@joshuaglaude1549]

This is probably the best theory I've heard. It was my theory. He went out there and fell in some freeze thaw trap. Think you called them snow bridges.

[@travisn346]

Once he saw the lake and got photographs I wonder why he felt the need to trek through snowplow given his attire wasn't exactly winter-proof? It's very possible he didn't need a reason, he just felt like exploring. We may never know.

[@rockstarofredondo]

@@travisn346 he may have not realized how deep the snow was at the time.

[@travisn346]

@@rockstarofredondo sounds very plausible to me.

[@BrianBarrettWilson]

Love your channel brother. Awesome artwork. Been watching a while, and I just want to say every video is great man. Thank you for your work.

[@Mike-qc1os]

This is the greatest KZbin channel I've seen in years. Man you're destined for the stars

[@MrsGypsumFantastic]

This is what detailed and thorough research and critical thinking looks like and it’s very interesting to watch. Thanks for another great video 👍

[@rogue3145]

awesome video. admirable to have mutual respect for lore lodge, something i don't have. I just watched his video on this subject and it's actually painful to watch knowing the context you provided here. This is the best channel for missing 411 cases on youtube.

[@deerichardz]

I unsubbed form Lore Lodge after he stated he thinks Paulides is an honest man that tends to get things wrong oO

[@rolfanderson3925]

That shit is unwatchable. I hate channels and people like that who will argue and defend the conspiracy theories at all costs. Any evidence that supports it is treated as fact, whereas every one that doesn’t is picked apart with the strictest criticism.

[@lilacgiraffe1179]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks David Paulides is a crazy conspiracy theorist who is in it for the money. He's obviously never heard of Occam's Razor.

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No, the best channel is David paulides missing 411.

[@user-uo1qr6vn1q]

Fantastic job man. Couldn’t agree with your assessments any more. Thank you for staying so rational & analytical in today’s crazy world of conspiracies, etc.. It somehow makes me feel a little less alone. Keep up the great work!

[@cillalilly]

It always bugs me when people think something must have been foul play because the person was an "experienced hiker," "survivalist," or whatever. No matter how experienced someone is, they can still get injured or lost.

[@am2023]

Thanks man you are ace and i am happy to read all commentary enjoy ing your videos hats off. Really looking forward for what you put out in 2024, all best luck

[@karbairusa]

I loved this channel before, but now that you have been going to these locations and showing us these places, it takes it up to another notch. Not to say you have to do that for all future videos, but it is cool to see the environment and in-person interviews.

[@roviwoteap2375]

Agreed. It’s good seeing the locations involved. Adds so much to understanding events.

[@GrimReaping]

Woo part 2!

[@barrydreher7828]

A great presentation! I do a lot of hiking myself in California, where I live in Sonoma County. If hiking off-trail Geocaching, or following a seldom used route it is common to be hiking through brush and grass that is up to knee high. I've learned to be observant of fallen tree branches and limbs hidden in the grass and brush. It is possible to step between two tree limbs and to be tripped and made to fall. Falling with a leg caught by two tree branches can be a situation where the leverage can easily break a lower or upper leg, if not more. I thought of this when viewing the photos of the ranger's search where they were looking into a tangle of fallen trees. McCullar could have fallen through crusted over snow, his leg got trapped in the fallen trees, and then leverage of his falling body caused his leg to break. Why was he there in the first place? Probably lost or off his intended route. It would be great to know what specific map he might have been using in that area.

[@dianesavant2818]

You are simply the best at what you do.

[@emexdizzy]

I went with my family up to a recreational area on Mount Tahoma (Rainier) as a teen, and while I was wandering around within sight/earshot of dozens of other people, I got up near a fir tree and started poking around it out of curiousity, then panicked when I took a step close to the trunk and one of my boots plunged down the length of my leg with nothing beneath it. The snow in the area was packed down from regular use, but right up next to this tree trunk was a hollow bit big enough for my foot to slip into. The hole wasn't big enough for me to fall into, so I looked down into it and it went waaaaaaay far down, further down than I am tall. Deep snow is no joke.

[@PlatinumDragonProductions999]

Yes, we still have to do our due dilligence on each case. Finding the "practical" ways in which people go missing is important for future search and rescue missions as well as whittling down which cases are truly mysterious. Thank you for such nice work!

[@jellomiki]

I really liked this outro, the mutual respect the lore lodge and you seem to hold for one another is a beautiful thing to see in the often cutthroat world that is youtube. I would love to see you two collaborate, either on his podcast or in a video. The difference in your methods, instincts and conclusion would make a really interesting end result !

[@MrChologno]

They briefly did already. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y56upnidmqiag68

[@LazyDaisyDay88]

Exceptional work. Really, this looks to be the very best channel about missing people. Researched, rationalized, articulate and above all, sane. I've been searching for this kind of content - something for people who have a longer attention span than the usual channels cater for and an understanding of nuance in the human condition. New subscriber here - and very much looking forward to going through your other videos! Thank you.

[@AnonymousSaiyan]

Your dedication and passion put into your work with this channel and your videos is amazing.

[@jeanniesciachitano8468]

Watched part one and two……GREAT CONTENT!!!

[@bigaaron]

Big fan of your more grounded stuff, awesome

[@kenazfehu7176]

I enjoy your thorough coverage of missing cases. They sound so much less mysterious than when Paulides covers them. I've often been amused when I hear him in interviews discussing how the weather suddenly changed, like there's something mysterious about that. Puh-lease! I've noticed often in my everyday life that weather can turn quickly. One hour there isn't a cloud in the sky, the forecast is for partly cloudy in the evening, and the next hour the sky is dark with clouds, the wind is blowing, and it's raining like crazy. Nothing mysterious about that; it's how weather works.

[@armphidiic2609]

Thank you for the video and your hard work.

[@brianhenry9799]

Your objective, evidence based presentation and thourough investigation is outstanding. Excellent work.

[@Za7a7aZ]

I made this channel the go to channel whenever someone presents a missing person case as being an alien abduction or other supernatural case. This man takes the research up a few levels and in combination with logical reasoning such mysterious missing persons become in most cases ordinary explainable unfortunate events for the person in question. If this man is not able to keep it down to earth there is for certain something other worldly going on.

[@lauraduffy6177]

Thank you for all your hard work bringing us these stories. You do an amazing job.

[@jmrider6078]

You deserve so many more subscribers than you have. You obviously do extensive research and even go to locations. Thank you for the content you make!

[@bobmcnoodler270]

I can't disagree you always cover every angle and I really appreciate and respect how you correct these stories with common sense

[@ColiePolie_]

I live pretty close to Crater Lake and I can validate that this past year was the worst I’ve seen the mosquitos. I’ve always wondered how close he was to Bybee Creek bc as you showed, there are very few places that you can safely get down to the water in the summer, yet alone the winter. But I’m still perplexed how he could get that far out there that at time of the year. And if he were stuck in the snow, possibly even over his head, I imagine losing a shoe is very possible.

[@extremechimpout]

Man what a find finding this channel! It’s sooo good 😁 Now I have a lot to binge watch 🙏🏻

[@Pillagingjust4fun...]

Really liked your closing statements and agree completely, great work 👍

[@aenema22]

Thanks for your content TME. Your channel is therapy for me. My brother fell after summiting Mt. Jefferson in 2021 and his body was never recovered. It was hard to accept initially, but after watching videos and seeing the terrain in that area it became clear why recovery couldn't happen. Learning about other similar cases of mountaineering accidents and the reasons they happen has helped me come to a better peace. Thank you so much.

[@DougShoeBushcraft]

This is perhaps my best Christmas present this year! Love your videos! I'm wishing you a Merry Christmas. God bless.

[@cortrichards8179]

Thank you so much. You have totally changed my view and my mind regarding this case. I was not so sure for quite a while. What you have put forward here, is clear, concise and above all, logical. You always do a spectacular job of investigating and going to the exact places. Thank you again.

[@ucchus]

great work, as always!

[@TSmith-yy3cc]

I feel sorry for McCullar Senior. I think that some of his seeming preoccupation with a plot comes from him feeling that he taught his son how to survive/act in the wilderness, perhaps leaving him a tinge of (unwarranted) guilt. As far as a cover-up by police, I think that from his background that he was an institutionalist, "trust-the-system" type of person. When those people meet real-world circumstances, inefficiency or perhaps laziness on the part of law enforcement, it can seem to them that there's something shady instead of plain realities. Multiplied by the frustration and circumstances, I believe that anybody would have acted like he did. Really outstanding work, TME!

[@Mawinachu]

Love this channel! Great video and so very informative as always.

[@janicewilliamson2534]

Just found this channel. Wow. I really appreciate the research this guy does. Hes very clear and precise and is not simply copying someone else. Also I'm older and like that he can speak without cussing.

[@levcath13]

Excellent channel, well done! Thank you for your hard work :)

[@kevinneff7708]

Major respect for going out there.

[@matt-wn4rv]

My favorite channel at the moment. Thank you and Happy Holidays!

[@herrgodfrey9563]

Stories like these are why I won't go hiking in the wilderness alone and unarmed. If I'm going to die, I prefer to not die alone and defenseless. Just my personal preference.

[@michaelrredford]

Thanks!

[@grandpow]

i love this channel, keep doing your thing

[@WretchedHobbit]

Amazing work

[@kknows3512]

I'm a retired logger, hunter, fisher, snowmobiler, skier and outdoorsman who has lived my whole life in the Pacific NW. It would be incredibly difficult to haul a dead body any appreciable distance on a snowmobile, even on a groomed trail. Maybe could be done with some type of sled towed behind, but very doubtful to me. In this depth of snow in late winter, a creek bottom would be a treacherous and extremely dangerous place to be messing around. You could fall through anywhere and get trapped and buried in a snow hole, unable to climb out, especially with a broken leg. May be why he removed his boots and pants if he perceived his clothes were holding him down. I think this is most likely the way this man died. I have fallen into such a snow sink hole a couple times, very lucky to have gotten myself out.

[@theneighborhood2280]

I appreciate your explanation for the rational and likely reason for Charles McCullar's disappearance. Good job investigating, and reporting.

[@neilmiller617]

Every time I watch your videos I become more and more convinced the 411 phenomenon is less and less likely paranormal in almost all cases. I’d love for you to investigate the Deorr Kuntz Jr case!

[@jeremyporter5540]

Im just so pleased with this fellow and this content. I can breathe when he’s talking about this.

[@behindthespotlight7983]

10:24 every missing hikers mystery enthusiast who is physically able should experience both off-trail bushwhacking and snowshoeing. The terrain changes are akin to being in an entirely different country. A pebble strewn creek in the fall can be a subterranean icy water slide hidden under snow in the winter. A pleasant under-tree area in summer can be an eight foot deep tree well in January. A white powder filled hole where if a hiker stumbled headfirst, with snow shoes on, they could perish. In the exact same spot that would appear the perfect lunch find in August. GREAT video as usual

[@gmabien7]

Thank you for letting everyone see the wild beauty of Crater Lake. I grew up in this area and visited CL often. I love how you go to the site of these missing events. It really helps me understand and I get to see areas of the country I have not seen.

[@31416wm]

Superb work.

[@pablowentscobar]

I think what happened was, Charles got a side job with a circus. They convinced him to get shot out of a canon. They loaded it with to much gun powder and accidently shot him way to far. When he landed he broke his leg and was embedded into the snow and passed away. But that's just my guess.

[@rockstarofredondo]

Definitely one of the most realistic theories ever posted.

[@quantumpotential7639]

This happens a lot so you're probably correct.

[@Thunderous333]

Honestly more plausible than most of these 411 wack jobs.

[@Alex-if4tq]

*whenever u upload a new video i feel like a kid who's unwrapping his favorite present on Christmas, so thx for all your hard work & Great content & Merry Christmas to u & all of our friends in the comments🙏🏿*

[@DougShoeBushcraft]

Snow can at times have an icy crust on the top that is thick enough for a person to walk on. I've seen people get into serious trouble from walking deep into the woods on the crust. They get to an area where they are breaking through the crust. Or the air temp warms up, and/or bright sun is melting the crust. In any case, they are postholing through the snow. It's so exhausting that a person likely can't do it for long. It could even cause a heart attack or something. Disclaimer I'm not a medical doctor. However it is common knowledge that the human body cannot take infinite stress. At some point of over exertion even a young healthy man will have a medical event. Therefore, IMHO if he didn't have snowshoes with him he was NOT prepared for the trip. It would also make me doubt the claim that he was an experienced woodsman. -at least not experienced in deep snow. I believe he was from a southern state where they do not get deep snow.

[@rumpeltyltskyn]

Also, he was 19. How experienced could he be? Like yeah maybe he was learning stuff as a kid, but he was still a teenager!

[@DougShoeBushcraft]

@@rumpeltyltskyn Yes, I agree. I wouldn't expect an expert at 19. However, some people mature faster than others. So if he was like that, and if his Dad or elders had taken him into the woods from a young age, then maybe we could call him "experienced." But I'd say it's unlikely. So, yeah, I'm going with what you said.

[@rumpeltyltskyn]

@@DougShoeBushcraft Yeah, experienced is one thing. An “expert” is another. Hard to believe a 19 year old can be an expert at anything when the decision making centers of their brain aren’t even finished maturing. Which takes until roughly 25-27 normally.

[@DougShoeBushcraft]

@@rumpeltyltskyn someone commented on one of my videos- They always say the missing person was an experienced hiker. He was exaggerating a little but I generally agree.

[@rumpeltyltskyn]

@@DougShoeBushcraft Yep I agree. And people also just generally horribly underestimate how easy it is for something bad to happen even if you’re extremely experienced and know what you’re doing- especially if you’re alone. It’s no coincidence that so many of these ‘strange disappearance/deaths’ happen to experienced hikers and outdoorsmen while they’re alone.

[@laneyroper9639]

This is the only channel I watch regarding missing persons / true crime type cases. You’re so respectful and logical with the way you present these topics. You really make sure to get down to the facts of the case, instead of trying to profit off the mystery aspect like many other channels do these days. We appreciate your thoroughness and objectiveness!

[@davidlancaster8152]

I have to agree with you on most points. Snowshoeing is exhilarating and gives you a different perspective as you are 5 to 15 feet above normal ground level. My conundrum is where are the snowshoes? Even if he constructed them himself they are quite large and there should have been remnants. Natural materials blending back into the environment? Possible. I also think it's possible that the original hikers that found the body took the camera and knife. The last question i have is; if he broke his leg, knew he was screwed but had all his equipment, why didn't he make camp (which with the tent found pitched maybe he did) make a fire from dead branches still attached to trees (I've done this when shoeing, unless his injury totally crippled him) and wait for flyover rescue that his friend would have activated when he didn't return on schedule? Unless that's what he did and he just wasn't found. Why the body so far from the already remote camp? You've done an excellent job of surveying this whole case. Thanks so much. You never disappoint.😊

[@Mr.MFuckingYTchangedmyname]

If they found the camera and knife first, they may have laid claim to them, and were unwilling to give them up as belonging to a few bones in some items of clothing. Perhaps they saw the items as their "reward" for reporting the remains - and then even if they came to their senses hours later, they could hardly say "Oh, we also found these bits, perhaps they belong to the person whose bones we found?" could they? They probably went home and made sure no-one ever would find those bits, and thereby link THEM with a body.

[@alaricboyle-poirier6931]

Excellent video. Truly solid work.

[@Fishtankshill]

I love Aiden but I have to agree with you on this one. Great job!

[@backwatersandbackroads]

I've been binge watching this channel for days. Fantastic content. As I ask myself what it is that I like so much about it, it's the pace, the consistency and the logic skills involved in the presentation. Fine fine job. The plaid shirts and Norm McDonald style voice tone works too ;)

[@rockstarofredondo]

Items become buried in boggy areas very easily. Your mosquito experience indicates this area becomes or always is boggy/muddy/wet.

[@daveowen9481]

This is an incredible level of detail, truly impressive and convincing. Thank-you.

[@DougShoeBushcraft]

Have you tried Permethrin on your clothes and gear to repel mosquitoes? It's a repellent by also an insecticide. If they land on the treated clothing they get sick and die. It's claimed to be safe for humans once dry. I'm no expert on that but you can read the instructions and safety warnings on the label, etc.

[@user-mv9tt4st9k]

We (as in, my husband) use permethrin-based insecticides in the garden during the summer to keep our plants from becoming salad for the inevitable horde of insects that vacation in our garden. In Scouting, I learned to wear long sleeves/pants and spray my hat and clothes with a bug spray heavy on the DEET. 😂