Solving Puzzles Using Ancient Languages in CHANTS OF SENNAAR

[@SecretSleepoverSociety]

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[@efbless]

These fresh captions! Thank you, Khaz!

[@monkeybusiness1039]

"Big hog" is one of the funniest collaborative bits of our generation.

[@TheCookieCrisp]

When you read the comment first and then see the part in the video and it suddenly makes sense...

[@fdd8747]

They need a cardboard cutout of bernie sanders sitting with the gloves in the back

[@Luxiverse.]

Hasanabi 😊

[@Xercio]

Yes yes yes yes

[@LunaTheMoonBean]

Vouch

[@DeeDee-ye5qe]

i will personally fund this

[@justanother2433]

How about a big cardbord cutout of the pooping gnome?

[@justagrumpynerd]

1:08:43 - 1:10:43 i need VOD only folks to know that during this bit the entire chat was just saying "BIG HOG \o/ " non-stop genuinely thought i was going to throw up i was laughing so hard

[@Rx_Lavender]

*Me me can't find big hog* Someone in chat: "Same here buddy."

[@wilburwilburwilburwilburwil]

BIG HOG \o/

[@DeeDee-ye5qe]

THANK YOU for your tireless service to the vod community

[@zongi700]

Thank you for this crucial information xD

[@BatttleBun]

This comment alone ascended my enjoyment of that moment to new heights. Big Hog \o/

[@steamgoth-lassassin4099]

I feel like this could legitimately be a great medium to learn a language. Like, the feeling of being dropped into a country without the anxiety. Love this and its always a joy to watch Jacob and Julia play a game that's also their vibe.

[@oliverdhakal2601]

I was just about to comment this! It would be an incredible way to learn a new language and is so immersive and fun at the same time.

[@OliviaSNava]

@@oliverdhakal2601 Literally just this game, but instead it has Mandarin instead.

[@Quintinohthree]

​@@OliviaSNavaThat's kind of the thing though, it really only works with logographic scripts and only teaches the script, without any hint of the spoken language it writes. It's a cool game precisely because the languages are designed for it.

[@AresNergal]

Yes, between this and Heaven’s Vault, it seems like "glyphs that are at least semi-logographic, with same SVO word order that English speakers know, but simplified grammar like a lot of créoles" is The Way To Go for these. You’d need a completely different (and likely complicated) game to try to gamify something like Basque.

[@victoronnie]

i imagine it could be an interesting thing to replay this game with a different language setting! you'd then know the in-game glyphs and be learning the words in the real-life language instead

[@ActionYakPolice]

imagine if when they put the symbol into the book instead of turning into "preacher" it just stayed as "big hog"

[@Soken50]

You can play the entire game without filling the book if you want a challenge but errors compound fast across 5 languages

[@peachbIossom]

the absolute deadpan of Jacob saying "it's one of your many flaws" took me tf out (59:52)

[@CrispyGFX]

This game is so ingrained in my brain that I realized I was reading the untranslated text without having to look at the symbol cheat sheet...

[@taliarose4546]

same. i challenged myself to never translate anything past the on off door page my second play through and now its weirdly easy lol

[@bri8661]

Game: *strong, gorgeous cello intro* Jacob: "We got a violin, baby"

[@xhantTheFirst]

Cellos are just big violins, change my mind

[@hp8685]

violins are just small cellos

[@GemedetAdept]

I want to extend my thanks for taking the time to add captions to the whole VOD! I can still understand without captions, but having them makes it incredibly easier for my brain to process the audio.

[@iamnoone21]

This game looks great--I made pages of notes while figuring out Tunic's writing system and it was so satisfying every time something clicked. (Shout out to the NPC by the well who turned out to be saying "Well, well, well....sorry.")

[@CodaBlairLucarioEmperor]

I just had to look it up because language puzzles are not really something I can handle.

[@russelljohnson7004]

I highly recommend it; it's a fairly short play but reasonably priced and extremely charming.

[@queenchaosyet]

Wait which ones are the tunics? In my brain I try to refer to each one as they refer to themselves and I’m ngl I don’t remember all the names TwT. They all call each other different things! Like how warriors call devotees “impures” and bards “chosen ones,” and how bards call warriors “idiots”

[@CodaBlairLucarioEmperor]

@@queenchaosyet they're talking about the game Tunic

[@pyrithmaticgaming]

Big Hog starts at 1:08:35 just in case you need to go back to it 🤣

[@russelljohnson7004]

>secret sleepers miss the potter in the marketplace >"maybe we'll learn the last of the language later..." oh, you sweet darlings...

[@selfdestructivecat4922]

Do they ever go back for it?

[@902496]

I swear every time Yatzee releases a new video about a little indie game I haven't heard of, I reload my home page and there is the secret sleepover society playing the game. Its happened like 4 or 5 times now.

[@screamsformemes]

I thought you were misspelling Drawfee like Yatzee for some kind of bit and I was so confused lmfao.

[@mimi_h]

brain empty, cats aplenty, get ready to solve the puzzle of where the cats are! 0:14 you? + hi joy 1:28 cat thing? 3:25 how many standard joys is julia's computer case? 8:50 joy fell off 12:09 lap olive 13:28 hi to a happy olive that wont sit 14:16 double hand scratch 21:50 olive neck stretches for chin scratches 23:07 more hellos to an olive with her eyes are going wild 26:37 olive being very into her pet cycle 29:42 a different olive? 30:35 olive stands to leave 39:22 always gotta pet the cat 1:05:15 miss olive is back for pets 1:06:40 a kitty you can't pet 1:07:13 unlike olive, whose been in a cat hammock 1:09:57 big hog sends olive runnin 1:15:12 callin for olive 1:19:35 olive almost traumatized herself 1:20:15 just being a cat, great and a pain in jacob’s ass 1:21:18 olive hittin stuff and being gently yeeted by jacob + sorry and stop biting the ac 1:23:34 why she honkin? + offcam corner cat 1:26:48 petting olive 1:28:00 love that real good cat + cat blockings + julia nephew vs joy 1:31:41 joy’s up to something 1:33:45 go ahead olive 1:34:15 in-game cat noises 2:06:34 joy greets julia offcam 2:07:12 joy's here 2:07:46 joy was playin + she left

[@maisieharris5864]

you are amazing and appreciated deeply

[@mimi_h]

@@maisieharris5864 awww, thanks!! (⁠人⁠ ⁠•͈⁠ᴗ⁠•͈⁠)

[@VirtualyAnonymous]

What a thorough chaptering

[@mimi_h]

@@VirtualyAnonymous hehe, thanks!

[@tuzikopalo]

The dedication to transcribe all of the twitch usernames in the sub reading bit for the subtitles... I admire it

[@emilytanner6782]

I'm recovering from surgery and was really craving a new SSS to watch as comfort TV. Incredible timing

[@warueri]

Hope you have a speedy recovery 😊

[@emilytanner6782]

@@warueri thank you!!

[@TheCookieCrisp]

I also hope you get well soon. I'm not first to say it but I mean it. :)

[@emilytanner6782]

@@TheCookieCrisp it's still appreciated ❤️

[@coolitudeextraordinaire]

i hope everything goes well for you!!! glad to have you with us :D

[@DondarfSnowbonk]

Of course Julia builds her own PCs. She makes *watches*. PCs are like big legos in comparison.

[@DondarfSnowbonk]

Anyway I believe in you, Julia, I bet everything worked first try.

[@erikhenry8742]

Does the WHOLE STREAM have captions!?!?!? You're telling me I can snack AND watch AND understand what's going on!?!?!?

[@Schneb77]

This game is great! All my years of university studying ancient languages finally felt like they were worth it 😅

[@tellus8556]

Im so obsessed with Jacobs earings. He looks great

[@carnelian4352]

I agree! Jacob and those earrings are a match made in heaven

[@madaian369]

When I got the announcement that this was going to be the game of the stream, I was just like oh heck, because it was on my wishlist and I didn't want to be spoiled. So obviously I bought the game and completed it before watching the VOD :D Luckily it only took like 8.5hrs :D It's a lovely game, strange language puzzle stuff is just up my alley (Tunic is the most Me game ever and also I loved Obra Dinn (which I also played because of SSS)), and I'm having so much fun watching J&J making their guesses. Knowing what 'big hog' was supposed to be made me just cackle even more in anticipation, and it was better than I could've imagined 😂

[@theomegajuice8660]

I rarely buy games at full price... but when I do it's usually a charming indie puzzle game that I want to complete myself before I watch an SSS vod of it!

[@jessewallis6589]

Find it interesting that the guy knows how to properly transcribe spoken glyphs without seeing them. I mean we see them, but without some frame of reference how does he know what he hears is the same symbol as something he reads.

[@Phyripo]

Maybe people in this universe speak in word bubbles

[@M.Datura]

I'm so comforted by the fact that Jacob got stuck on up/great as much as me. It's actually really fun to see which words they think things are based on context, and once again I see a similarity between myself and Jacob when it comes to language. Funny how that works... Oh English.

[@adde9506]

I fully approve the plan to have a cat wall as your background. Love to watch the producers do their job.

[@discodetectiive]

super fantastic captions here! was thinking of commenting on the last vod to ask for the captions to differentiate between speakers, but turns out i didnt even need to lol. great work khaz! thank you!

[@SecretSleepoverSociety]

After I did the first one I realized some people might want tags for who says what. It does take a wee bit more effort to make sure each line is correct but I think people will find it useful. I'm trying to accommodate hard of hearing/deaf people best I can. Hopefully the way I mark things make sense, admittedly I know very little about captioning. -Khaztaroth

[@discodetectiive]

@@SecretSleepoverSociety i am a hearing person so my input is not as important, but i think you’re doing great! only extra thing i could think of is adding little sound cues (à la, (violin music), that sort of thing) when music/non-talking is prominent, but its a lot of extra work if you aren’t being paid for it (i hope you are for all this captioning work, though! captioning two hours+ of talking is difficult as hell). thanks for all the effort! :-)

[@SecretSleepoverSociety]

The way I do it right now saves me from having to scrub through the entire VoD, which would take entirely too long. Sadly, it also means I will miss things like that. I'll do my best to keep them accurate and consistent. -Khaztaroth

[@quietcorvidae]

@@SecretSleepoverSociety anything is better than youtube auto-generated ones tbh! these are pretty great and v appreciated

[@GTE2128]

I’ve watched this several times already. I’m not even really into these type of games but Julia and Jacob are so chill and all the sounds of the game are super nice and clicky and it’s honesty so calming. I don’t think I even watch these videos anymore I just listen and have Jacob and Julia as the backing track to my life honestly.

[@MaylottPaints]

I played this game immediately after watching ten minutes of you playing it. Now I just wish I could play the whole thing again for the first time.

[@Cruxador]

I thought Julia's case looked normal sized from the Twitter, seeing it in the room it is actually legit huge

[@ServerGlitch]

you guys are by far my favorite people to watch, yall keep yammin :)

[@Nightfire613]

After watching JAcob and Julia play this game, I IMMEDIATLY went and bought it. This is exactly my jam and I need more games like this!

[@ionanicole]

I loved watching you guys play this so much I immediately went out and bought it! On the 3rd language now, I hope you will keep playing so I can play along :)

[@LoyalSage]

Same, I played through the whole game over the weekend after watching this stream.

[@mrrd4444]

They said they're continuing it! Very excited ☺️

[@NWolfsson]

Oh yeah. Third language has been the higher difficulty of all the game for me, the speech pattern and intricate glyphs threw me off so much XD

[@ionanicole]

@@NWolfsson I’m still very much struggling with the patterns 😅

[@hawkeyescoffee6399]

It seems a great game, but sadly, I am terrible at these kind of puzzles without help. Hope you enjoy it.

[@Galantium]

Watching all the Big Hog shenannigans live was really something else, I haven't laughed so hard in ages! All Hail the Big Hog! \[T]/

[@marinawinkler477]

a neon sign in the background glowing proudly “TWO CHAIRS TWO BEERS”

[@tairneanaich]

THE CARD GAME. With ranks of people! A caste system taught with card suits!! In a temple in an oasis! I wrote an entire paper on the early roots of modern playing cards and some of the earliest ones we know were exactly this! Zoroaster and his funky caste suits! Worker, Merchant, Warrior, Priest

[@lektik2941]

"we're just playing hide and seek.." Yea dude! He's teaching you the words "seek" and "find."

[@AbhorrentDelight]

Song References up to 1:49:53 [I hit enter early by accident]: "I Write Sins Not Tragedies" by Panic at the Disco "Lala" by Ashlee Simpson "I Write Sins Not Tragedies" by Panic at the Disco "You Raise Me Up" by Josh Groban "A Thousand Miles" by Vanessa Carlton "Mr. Brightside" by The Killers

[@HunterJE]

God Julia's big baggy cardigan looks so comfy

[@ani-matt-ions]

Woah, two hour video with color-coded captions?? Is this accessibility heaven?!

[@derekhasabrain]

Sable is a VERY good game. The art style, the platforming, finding the secrets, the characters, it’s all so great and very chill. Highly recommend for a stream

[@kayiu102]

Absolutely fucking floored when I saw the subtitles. For a 2hr long VOD??? goddamn, salute to whoever did that

[@BreadWrenner]

This is such a small thing but the most jarring thing to me about the new setup is that they’re now looking to the right instead of the left, so they’re looking away from the game capture instead of towards it 😅

[@sturg0353]

I feel the same way! There’s something strange about them suddenly looking in the wrong direction lol

[@irumasuzuki725]

7:34 dunno why but that synchronized headset wearing was so satisfying.

[@theglem4]

I tripped me out (in a good way) when Julia said "our niece" because I think I got used to her saying "my niece" before they were married. Every reminder of their marriage makes me smile for some reason.

[@kainrulesful]

I'm screaming that they didn't fully explore the market location, so they didn't get the full language

[@erinidum]

And then Jacob was like "I'm sure they'll give us the page at some point" Like no, Jacob, you need to go get it!

[@TylerPalma]

had to pause this one so that i could go play and finish the game myself and avoid more spoilers. I highly recommend playing this yourself and finishing it. it's a really lovely little game, and surprisingly deep. thanks j&j for introducing it to all of us!

[@HunterJE]

"Cloudy with a Chants of Sennaar," is that anything?

[@josh0628]

Hold my beer a sec. I gotta go get this game, it looks great and I don't wanna get too spoiled...I'll come back after I'm done ✌

[@kinesin8221]

You won't regret it, it's a fantastic game

[@birdeynamnam]

I just finished it, and it was such a wonderful time

[@ev2468]

something i always, accidentally, do whenever i'm watching streams of games and all that is think about if the player character is saying OUT LOUD what the people playing are saying it's always funny! when that little robed guy is walking around and jacob and julia are just cracking jokes or talking about how some character looks i imagine if the characters could like, hear them saying these things and be absolutely horrified or confused or whatever if you haven't tried it, definitely do next time you watch someone! especially with "crazier" commentary lol

[@pooolB]

No even 10 minutes in and you already convinced me to go buy and play this game myself, all it took was "like obra dinn" but with language

[@jasper-fox6307]

I'm so glad i took a big mouthful of coffee right before the big hog incident

[@thee_yelwah]

Please keep playing this! So fun to watch and play along with

[@DaggerSkullery]

I really wish this game let you use your own custom words. I mean, you kinda can if you just never use the book to confirm any words. I've been trying it out as a custom hard mode and liking it so far.

[@NWolfsson]

It's a bit sad that the game doesn't let you keep custom words once you confirm them (I get that when you've got a whole sentence it's a custom re-write because you get the grammar, but we could have the word-for-word in addition to that, and the option to use our own word for the word-for-word) I was having so much fun using things like "Monstaah" for monster, and getting it confirmed got me a little sad because it loses that silliness :')

[@johannapy]

Not even finished this video yet but whoever did these captions is amazing. Thank you so much Also I started a couple playthroughs and always found that the players were rushing and I appreciate both of you for properly trying to understand the languages and also noting words down with the intention to update them as you find out more. I saw some people getting hung up on what their initial interpretation was. Love your humour too, all around seems like I'm gonna enjoy this playthrough a lot :)

[@HimmelsBlues]

As someone that's been studying languages in college it was so fun to play this game but it's even more fun seeing someone that has not a lot of knowledge on language structures play this even basic stuff like SVO SOV ... I think it makes it even more fun to understand this world of possibilities

[@waywordson300]

After hearing them describe the premise of the game I instantly ran and bought it. Coming back after beating it to say thank you, this game was exactly up my alley and I loved it!

[@daftpatience]

put this game on my wishlist as soon as the cello kicked in i was like WAOAAUAH!!!!!! i adore when yall play cool puzzle games like this

[@AshAtropos]

and then they called it a violin and I went D:

[@freyabees]

I caught this stream live and had to duck out because this game was MADE FOR ME. 6 months later my husband got it for me for my birthday and now that I'm almost done playing I can finally watch these vods.

[@tictacbergerac]

the impact this video series has had on my life is uncountable.

[@lektik2941]

Too big is definitely the size you want for a computer case. a couple years from now you'll be swapping new parts in there and you'll be thankful for all that room.

[@lektik2941]

As someone with big hands, they're so much easier to work inside of also.

[@shigekax]

I went for the smallest case for my first computer, regrets At least I have small hands ...

[@MartyMango0]

Straight up paused the video so I could go buy this game & play ahead so I wouldn't get spoiled. Can't wait for y'all to play more of this!

[@beefromashroom]

this is so sad and sick and twisted, I'm 11 minutes in and I think this game is too cool to watch, had to add it to my wishlist to buy it someday in the future. What am I supposed to watch now edit: lmao beat the game, it's absolutely amazing, now I can watch this vod

[@andrea_ryker]

I think this is my favorite game that they’ve played so far

[@throstlewanion]

I’m so glad that they played this game! Really hope they play it all the way through

[@The2econd3vil3xes]

My favorite parts of these streams is when Julia just _folds_ in her chair from laughter

[@HunterJE]

Who else is watching this at your computer with a canned drink and immediately compared it to your own computer case

[@bri8661]

You could do a Murphy bed in that room. My parents did that recently and it works nicely since they don't have people sleeping over often. You can put fully mounted art on the outside/underside. I think my mom changes the sheets and then folds in up with the sheets on it. It's actually really comfortable (they went for a memory foam mattress since it is more comfortable and folds nicely. Unfortunately, a premade Murphy bed is kinda pricey, but if you are feeling ambitious, you can buy a kit with just the hardware and cut + paint the wood frame yourself. Holy shit that computer is huge, it's basically the height of the table!

[@Atiri]

I have a terrible cold right now and the big hog bit had me laughing so hard I coughed for like 10 minutes. this game is so cool and I'd love to see you play the whole thing!

[@emiknits02]

my brother got me this for my birthday recently, and ive done like 50% of it in just a couple sessions, i love it!! as a language nerd im sooo in my element lmaoo

[@KittyKatalina]

I like how the devotee language uses set symbols to modify their glyphs, like underline for actions, curve on the left for tools, a box for places, and the person symbol plus other symbols to distinguish between different people. Glyphs with the same root symbols: Opening + action = to open, opening + tool = key Helping + action = to help, helping + tool = potion Speech + action = to talk, speech + person = preacher Eye + action = to see, eye + tool = lens Devotion + person = devotee, devotion + place = church Death only = death, death + place = cemetery Plant only = plant, plant + tool = pot, plant + place = garden Music only = music, music + tool = instrument The abbey glyph is an interesting one. 2x up/great inside a box, possibly meaning "greater place". I would imagine that if they had a glyph for the warriors' "chosen", it would be music + person.

[@Quintinohthree]

There is, somewhere in the game a trilingual where fortress (the warrior's place) is translated into Bard and we see a glimpse of a fragment in Devotee which looks like the symbol which compounds with man/human to form warrior (which I suppose may mean "war") inside the symbol for place, so it seems the Devotees do indeed know the place above the Warriors' door as "war-place".

[@Quintinohthree]

Of course, the devotees aren't shy with music themselves, so it seems more likely that to them music + person would mean musician, and it wouldn't really matter if that musician was a bard or a devotee because both make music just the same.

[@sortingoutmyclothes8131]

YES. I'm so glad. I want to watch everyone play this game. Thank you.

[@KonLesh]

My parent and I bought this game because of your playthrough and we are really enjoying it. Thanks for showing it exists.

[@kawe1221]

I love hearing about the Niece and nephew, and their interactions with Cats

[@DreameGirl6000]

I'm so glad they are playing this! I absolutely loved the demo when it first came out, and I bought the full game immediately when it was available. I really hope they play the whole thing, because the art is fantastic throughout

[@Rx_Lavender]

I see the thumbnail and- INCREDIBLE how the big hog figure DOES kind of look like a big hog

[@georgecooper9766]

Jacob said 'she's just being a cat' as my cat zoomed into my room did a little butt wiggle dance and then took off again. (she just went hopping past my door on her two back legs presumably trying to catch a fly while I was typing this)

[@victoronnie]

i actually bought this game on the thumbnails for these vods alone, it immediately struck me as my type of game! obra dinn with a language twist?? sign me tf up!! as i was playing, several areas felt very much like something julia would like and her immediate comment on how she likes the big empty-space world design made me feel so valid. i played it on switch but the satisfying sound effects in the UI is making me want to buy it on steam too ngl

[@pentagramfairy1420]

I played the game before watching this and im suprised how well i can translate what they are saying. Even the warriors. I never took another look at what they said at the gate after i got the translation. This is such a facinating game.

[@gina1074]

The aesthetic of this game is wonderful

[@USFsFinest0212]

This would be a great game for learning a new language. Man could make a even better duolingo

[@zanthiablue5254]

I have been holding off on watching these as I am playing the game myself, but I figured I could watch the start since I am past this part. Its very interesting to see how we approached the puzzles differently.

[@JackPeterBentley]

Just finished playing this game yesterday and I'm so glad to see you guys are giving it a go. It's just a total joy from beginning to end. RIP Big Hog and RIP me when that Hoobastank reference hit me out of nowhere! Been a while!

[@asavagegarden]

LOVED this stream. LONG LIVE THE BIG HOG!

[@annikan42]

Julia: Jacob does love a controller! Me, having read Animorphs: 😧

[@LeannLeannProduction]

it's been so long that I didn't even think of that definition of controller but now that you mention it I won't unhear it 🤯🤣

[@skymagistrate5920]

You need a cat highway back there. Some shelves for the cats

[@EonWhite]

58:54 into the joke at 59:45 was hilarious. 🤣 Also, I would love more of this.

[@gwyndolinds-en8yt]

A curiosity: the discovery of meaning of old and lost writing systems happened thanks to translations of texts in known writing systems, like hieroglyphs in the Roseta Stone and Cuneiform in Behistun Pass in Iran

[@blyndeaf8503]

I LOVED this VOD and am so excited for part 2!

[@shaynatattersfield4043]

I made it 15 minuets into the video before I knew I had to play the game myself. I now have the game, so I am back to watch y'all do some of the puzzles I just did, and to see y'all being you're goofy selves.

[@Xevy_dev]

I would just like to say my brain shut down for a good 30s at the beginning of the episode bc Julia's wearing a cardigan i had for like a decade and recently had to get rid of and was like ????? How'd she get that?

[@maisieharris5864]

watching jacob make a typo is my new fav hobbie

[@StonetheDestroyer42]

Big fan of the new setup. It's nicer to look at the cam when you're both even with it and centered, I feel less like I'm sneaking a clandestine peak from around a corner. 😅

[@ireymm]

I really appreciate the subtitles.

[@fortwas]

i played this whole game today and I'm happy to get yo experience it again via this vod!!

[@mushymush6902]

I REALLY hope they play this entire game

[@rlotts6607]

That looks like the coziest sweater I’ve ever seen

[@nhuthuynhminh2603]

Really enjoyed this game. Hope they will play more of it 😊

[@corneliusdwyer1824]

Got a new PC and monitor recently. Every time I watch SSS or Drawfee streams on the pc rather than my phone I get flashbanged by how hot Jacob is. Like I'm ace but damn...

[@corvigay]

HOLY SHIT SUBTITLES!!!!!!!!!!! LET'S GO!!!!!!!!!!! THIS RULES, THANK U!!!!

[@screamsformemes]

8:31 gaymin starts 31:08 ad break is over 42:22 THE CAPTIONS ADFKSDF 59:58 LMFAOO 1:52:00 violent jumpscare omg