Solving The Creator Storage Problem? Blackmagic Cloud Store Mini

[@TheThaiLife]

It's cool but I'm seeing a lot of CONS for $3K. Also, 8TB isn't very large. That being said, I LOVE your videos and your honest reviews. I feel like I can trust you and I really appreciate that. I like Black Magic solutions and I may be interested in version 2 or 3 of this that includes cables, more hard drive space and raid ability.

[@TheThaiLife]

I just looked into this more. This solution is literally the same as the 8GB, RAIDed, collabable and similar NAS solution from WD 8TB My Cloud Home Duo Personal Cloud Storage - WDBMUT0080JWT-NESN and this is $379. So... yea.

[@memcrew1]

@@TheThaiLifeis that setup as fast as the Blackmagic in practice?

[@FinlayDaG33k]

@@TheThaiLife There are some key differences though: - The CSM has 1x10G + 1x1G vs the WD having only 1x1G. So if your network is capable of it, the CSM will be *way* faster than the WD (900MBps for the CSM where the WD will max out at 100MBps under *ideal* conditions). - The CSM has 2x4TB NVMe drives (a single 4TB NVMe drive costs more than the WD with storage), The WD can only accomodate SATA drives. - The CSM can be used through a USB-C port, useful for on-the-go when you don't have access to a 10G switch. - The CSM is "plug and play" where the WD needs some extra effort to setup. So all in all, it's not even remotely a good comparison.

[@waveland]

In the end, I think it’s best to think of these as collaboration drives and not primary storage. You should have a primary backup of your files, and a secondary back up. Then, if you’re going to do collaborative work, drag and drop the project contents and/or the proxy files onto the cloud pod or cloud store. It’s not a good idea to think of dropbox or Google Drive as a backup solution. It’s just there for collaborating and syncing proxies.

[@initialfocus]

100%! I keep working files on this 8TB cloud store or my 16TB OWC Accelsior (for non collab projects) then once done I archive everything on a Drobo 8D with dual disk redundancy BUT the whole pipeline the files are immediately backed up to Backblaze for cloud storage and every few months I put my most important files/docs on a SSD that I keep offsite at my families house. I’m obsessed with backup solutions on the consumer/prosumer level 😅

[@MrDawidson818]

Maybe LucidLink is the best solution for you since it's a Cloud NAS with a special Blocks Technology....no download/upload of the files needed...they will be streamed to your device on the go

[@hardymedia]

Another excellent video, thanks! I'm trying to determine how to connect a Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K running v8.7 to a network for the purpose of connecting to Blackmagic Cloud. I've seen a bit on phone-tethering/hotspot but that's not what I want to do. Funny thing is when BPCC4k is connected to macOS via USB-C, the BPCC4k shows under System Settings/Network. In the Blackmagic Camera Setup v8.7 macOS app, there are network setting for network access I but haven't gotten it to work yet - you?

[@toddmpatrick]

Hey Michael, nice insights on the struggle with networked storage. Since you’re needing direct connections for serious collaboration, have you considered Pro Data from iodyne?

[@nimrod7785]

I can edit multi layer 4K 60fps ProRes just fine using a Synology NAS connected via 10Gb to a Mac Studio. Wireless you can always utilize proxies to edit.

[@rossawilson01]

I mean you could drop your proxies on a cheap USB-C SSD drive and hook it into her MacBook. Then she does what she does on a shared project file, still collaborating remotely. The shared project file will make all the changes update on your machine and vice versa. I did this with a remote colourist using the Resolve shared project file system etc, no pod or box needed. The pod and mini etc are really for people in other rooms of the same building who are hard wired in. With the benefit that someone remotely can also log in download the footage and work on it too.

[@timfngwena]

Great video. Hoping they ad B2 backblaze as an option in cloud sync for backups. The networking issues you mention are more to do with wifi and broadband routers than the device. The 10g ethernet port is about as much as Blackmagic can do for now, that's more than plenty for when wifi catches up. Also investing in a decent router / mesh system can help solve some issues with wifi latency but homes just arent great for radio interference. The kind of tech that solves this problem is still way to expensive to have in a home setup.

[@AK-IT]

I thought backblaze only supported direct attached storage, not a NAS like the Blackmagic Cloud?

[@FinlayDaG33k]

@@AK-IT B2 is just S3 (similar to Amazon S3) but with extra features. So if the CSM can reach the internet and implements the S3 protocol? It can very much use Backblaze B2 as a target. It could even use Amazon S3, GarageHQ or any other S3 provider of choice really.

[@freddymiguelponce]

As always GREAT video! Looking forward to see your new desk setup! Have a Productive and Healthy Day!

[@initialfocus]

Thank you 🙌🏼 I hope you have a great day as well!

[@thatvideoguy4k]

I just had a 10 TB drive failing on me, i believe if you are gonna pay so much for a hard drive, it should be at least safer than a much cheap version of it, i would buy a cheeper hard drive and spend the extra money on online cloud backup.

[@quadcom]

With regards to lag, are you not working in proxy mode with the remote workstations? Then have the proxies stored locally on them as they are built. If your trying to work on your laptop using a home wifi connection, that would make me want to harm myself!

[@ryanpallotta5]

Can you daisy chain them for more storage ?

[@EmeraldAudiovisual]

2 years later .. i know . but you did not address the elephant in the room: Cloud Pod / Cloud Dock don't have any user management. Clourd Store Mini and above have.

[@ryanpallotta5]

What would you suggest for a remote editors they need taxes footage from other parts of the country

[@CaptRadar101]

Can the Blackmagic Camera app see it a cloud storage device

[@cjadams7434]

the main idea is to run cat6 and using it that way.. don''t bother wifi or such..

[@MARZILLI]

I think most professionals are mobile and as such they are going to need an ipad pro in addition to a studio/ home editing setup or a larger 17” macbook…

[@waveland]

Did you use proxies when collaborating or were you trying to run the full size files?

[@initialfocus]

Tried both. Got about the same experience. Once a clip was playing it was fine full 6K BRAW or proxy. The issue that made it unbearable on a home Wi-Fi was when you hit play (spacebar) there was a 1-2second lag then it would stumble the first couple frames then play fine. So if all I was doing was playing clips and letting them run the initial hiccup wouldn’t be a big deal….but every editor knows you smash that play/pause a million times so that lag becomes infuriating 😂

[@waveland]

@@initialfocus WiFi will not support this sort of editing. Too many choke points in the data path. You need a hardwired network connection, preferably using a switch and cabling designed for 10 GBps. Anything less and you will struggle to have a fluid outcome with multiple users. I’m starting to pull the pieces together so I can begin testing with a Cloud Pod, and as I quickly found out it’s not the sort of network I can build after a stop at BestBuy or the local office supply super store. You need a beefy Thunderbolt adapter for the laptop and the right SFP modules (something new to me) for the switch, etc. Thankfully I’m not under the gun at the moment and will have the opportunity muck around and make mistakes. But this sort of cross-internet collaboration is coming on fast, and even small editing businesses will need to offer the speed and flexibility of multi-person collaboration.

[@crookedfilms4190]

So I synced a project from my client's pc and after editing on my pc entirely I wanted to render it out for my client but it says the files are offline. It only renders when I open the project in client's pc. Need help.

[@initialfocus]

You have to relink the footage since the client footage is stored in a different spot. When you open it, click that red link icon in the top of your media bin. Then you’ll point it towards where your footage is stored. It’ll re link and you’ll be good

[@avdpost]

Wireless editing will stil be a long way off IMO. There is just soo much latency and interference issues in general with the tech as a whole. Sure you might start to see high raw speeds gains with wifi 6 etc, but it's consistent speed without the constant peaks and valleys that make wireless networking in general bad for anything remotely productive with large files. Heck I don't even recommend gaming on wifi, latency is just too big of a killer regardless of your protocol.

[@max-mr5xf]

Coming with raid 0 alone is a non starter. "Cloud" gives the false confidence in the data being accessible. But imagine dumping your footage to sync up to other providers, emptying the cards and a single drive in it fails. By putting in more than one SSD in a raid 0, you even increase the probability of one of them failing

[@memcrew1]

Why would you do that? Drop a COPY of the file into this and store the other files elsewhere.

[@Ozzymandius1]

Excuse me, sir. That was not 3 seconds. How could I have POSSIBLY guessed storage? I’m not psychic.

[@initialfocus]

Damn….you’re right. I’m so sorry for not giving you the proper opportunity to count with Mississippi’s 😅

[@PierreChe]

3 minutes in, still no actual explanation of what this product is. Bye :)

[@simoz78]

Well, this kind of stuff (NAS) starts to make sense only with a 10G ethernet network in the house. Expecting to do it on the wifi is kinda absurd honestly