Some Thoughts on the Future of Cars

[@savagegeese]

Just a foot note this is designed to generate some talking points and opinions from people. Not about right or wrong and try not to waste your energy going off the deepend, not worth it. And for those who seem convinced I hate EVs, I don't I'd buy a Rimac tomorrow once I can off load some Red Lobster shares.

[@gray25xt]

What about the 2nd and 3rd world? My thought listening to your talk here is that while it's a small problem for people in America/Europe/China/etc. what about the vast majority of the driving population in poorer areas? How will they sustain electric charging from home? Will there be an infrastructure for public charging? Answer = No, they don't even have basic human rights. They can duct tape an old VW or Honda together for decades but EV is and will remain an exclusive technology for the haves. Excellent talk. Mark 2024.

[@jrod237]

I can’t see why vehicles have gotten so large, my 98 Accord is smaller than the current Civic. A tablet on wheels seems to be trend, really disappointing. I have to do a walk around with my work vehicle, it’s a “mid-size” but is the size of early 2000 Suburban. Speaking of Red Lobster, I need to make reservations for next Weds date night with the Mrs..

[@olemissjim]

You really need to take a new 2024 Model 3 performance for a few months. Using their excellent software and getting comfortable with the insane acceleration

[@theboldfuture2341]

I wonder where people are getting that idea. Do they regulate the cost of Gas like your fixed-price fantasy, Mark? Review some good EVs. Maybe a polestar or something.

[@802Garage]

Not to mention all of your praise for Lucid and Hyundai, as a couple examples.

[@2112sgb]

An electric Aztec will solve all problems.

[@ADUSN]

Electric Murano cross Cabriolet 🔥🔥🔥

[@augustortiz]

@@ADUSNthe world isn’t ready yet.

[@kjyu]

So.. like BMW iX2?

[@anydaynow01]

You mean the Cybertruck?! 🤣

[@who2u333]

I'd buy that for a dollar!

[@somerandomfella]

Reviews in 2028 : It's quiet, has a long range, pumped in audio & weighs 3 tonnes. Copy & paste on any EV review.

[@williamcricket7931]

In 2028 electric cars will be gone and hybrids will take over, plus regular ice cars will live on with synthetic fuels.

[@somerandomfella]

@@williamcricket7931 freakin hope so.. Not a fan of full EV but don't mind a well built hybrid.

[@ChrisFromFloriduh]

@@williamcricket7931is bro from the future?

[@williamcricket7931]

​@@ChrisFromFloriduh Yes

[@swissness2444]

Highest sold car last year worldwide was a Tesla Model Y so I don’t think ev’s will go away anytime.

[@GeorgeJackson47645]

“I was there when VHS slew Betamax. I witnessed HD-DVD struck down by Blu-ray. My nights are haunted by the cries of the Sega Dreamcast. I know this same fate awaits the Kia EV6.”

[@CalvinHikes]

People forget about laser disc videos. That was about a one year technology. It was pre dvd. It was basically a dvd, the size of a old record.

[@prm5798]

I was there too!

[@markhavelka4924]

@@CalvinHikesSometimes you had to flip the disc mid movie!

[@apocalypse487]

​@@CalvinHikesI saw those in a box last weekend. I didn't know that was a thing. Funny because I have a VCR.

[@PresidioDelux]

It’s a good car. Are you saying that because of the battery supply issue?

[@EwanM11]

The rot set in when the loopholes for SUVs and trucks was created.

[@DDd-hr6mz]

Yep. Huge policy mistake. And it squandered the advantages we had gained in MPG and emissions through all that costly tech. People complain about gas prices. Maybe try not dailying a Power Stroke F-150?

[@wiegraf9009]

Absolutely! A true policy disaster.

[@tim3172]

Thanks, conservatives!

[@Nunya.Bidness]

Most big truck and SUV drivers don't even know why they bought them. They equate big with safe, which is a false equivalence. Try buying a station wagon in the US, good luck.

[@aprtur]

​​@@tim3172this is on the hands of both parties - nobody has ever corrected it, so there can't be any of this he said, she said bullshit. We need less pointing fingers at the other side of the aisle, more compromise (saying this as someone who's fed up with both sides).

[@legatus9081]

These "talk" videos are my favorite, they are the reason this channel is the only car review channel I am subscribed to, and watch every video of. They distinguish you from other channels, and add a layer of depth not found anywhere else. Especially during these transitional times, having videos that talk about the reality of things, and what happens behind the scenes is very appreciated.

[@KameeGaming]

In a few years he will arrive at the conclusion that Cars aren't the fix, but public transit, it's hard for Americans, but I believe he will get there.

[@jbfrodsham]

This is without a shadow of doubt the best car channel. It’s just in a a few words “ Intelligent and Classy” love it.

[@PrzemyslawSliwinski]

""I am a voice of one crying out in the wilderness: Make straight the way of the [car]" - please forgive me a little sacrilege here, but... is the YT audience (and, in particular, the audience of this channel) the proper one for such a statement? I may generalize (but not too much, I am afraid), but majority of YT audience is here to hear about "citius, altius, fortius" cars/trucks/suvs/etc. rather than about simpler, cheaper and reasonable vehicles. ?

[@MrRicardo361]

It feels like the 90s and early 2000s were kind of a goldilocks period for ICE cars - They were built robust, had enough tech and safety but were not excessively expensive, complex and heavy like today's offerings. It is strangely refreshing seeing cars like the MG3 on the road because at least they're simple, cheap and have only the essentials. A lot of the problem seems to stem from the SUV craze and trying to make them do everything well (impossible). You can't have cheap, agile, economical, practical, rugged and luxurious attributes in one package. Dedicated family cars like Holden Commodore or dedicated sports cars (MX5), Luxury cars (E39 bmw) etc worked better and were simpler, lighter and cheaper all for it.

[@drvader1401]

Peak ICE: AMG 6.2LV8, BMW NA V8 & V10, Italian open-gated shifters, Aston Martin NA V12, Ferrari/Maserati's operatic NA V8s, S2000, Alfa Busso, Lexus LFA, Lancer EVO & WRX, Carrera GT...

[@davidfrankel9267]

2001 Acura Integra.. Bullet Proof at 200K

[@kevin9c1]

That is mostly because CAFE regulations were frozen and not pushing manufacturers to make questionable choices to meet the regs. Left to their own devices, the ICE got more reliable, more powerful and, yes, still improved fuel economy. The OG LS came from this era and is a perfect example. Then look what happened in the mid 2000s: they added active fuel management, ruining the small block's reliability record. Why? CAFE regs phased back in around 2005. The rest is history with all of the crap the ICE has to endure to meet regs.

[@shralperx]

@@MrRicardo361 You can thank federal regulations (i.ie illegal laws that didn't pass through Congress), for CAFE, emissions, safety reqs, etc. The 90s cars, especially Hondas, were the pinnacle of perfection. I'd buy one today if I could. I still see them on the road today.

[@WhoAmI-bh3pw]

The reason isn't CAFE standards, the reason is the giant F150-sized loophole in the CAFE standards. Not hard to marginally increase efficiency with new tech when vehicle size/weight stay about the same. Much harder when you current bestseller (midsize crossover) is a foot taller with much bigger tires and 500+ lbs heavier than your bestseller 15 years ago (midsize sedan).

[@harolddalaney]

I love listening to this guy talk. Minimal edits too, what a boss

[@omnimoeish]

Yeah that's what I noticed. That was pretty much just like solid ranting no umms or fillers, no notes, no script, no cuts. Just straight talk.

[@I_Luv_Ma_Squad]

Dang, as a Bolt owner, I wasn’t expecting to catch a stray from a goose today

[@bryan10444]

For real man😢

[@jamesrebbechi5247]

At 63 think I might just daily my ‘89 300E for the next 35 years. 355km still runs like a swiss watch.

[@Sawubona2007]

@@jamesrebbechi5247 I'm 32 and I have similar feelings about my '95 C180.

[@x3wildcard]

And you'll be way "greener" doing so than if you fell for the virtue signaling and paid 70 grand for a lump of nonrenewable, toxic-to-manufacture batteries.

[@MBergyman]

@@x3wildcard I'll be the first to advocate for using something that continues to function over buying something new and shiny, as long that the thing that is being used is not harmful to others. That is the question that needs to be answered - Are old vehicles harming other people by being operated. I generally think no, as long as they are not spewing toxic chemicals into their local environment. People get all bent out of shape about Avgas (100LL) - I am not a scientist and I don't follow all the data connecting the dots between GA aircraft operation and the side effects of leaded aircraft exhaust - BUT I do know that inhaling lead is toxic. By the same logic, I know that CO is also toxic to humans, and if I have the opportunity to reduce my impact on the local environment by running my gas vehicles less, then that is what I SHOULD do. Now, will I insist that EVERYONE be mandated to either buy an EV? No. Not everyone has the means, and people should have the right to buy and use what is legal to use and is affordable to them. Yes EVs do have their own carbon footprint, but it is not "non-renewable" as you say, nor is it more toxic to manufacture than a gas vehicle - it is not hard to find science-based facts about both of these statements. Plenty of engineering-based KZbin videos to these exact arguments can be found. Also, most EVs being sold today are not anywhere near 70k USD.

[@l10industries]

@@MBergyman As an airline pilot who has done a lot of time in GA planes running Avgas. It is terrifying. 100LL has several times more lead than leaded automotive gas ever had. The fact that we are JUST starting to get away from it now in 2024 is ridiculous, but there is so much regulatory inertia around it. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if a lot of pilots had brain damage from being around the stuff.

[@x3wildcard]

@@MBergyman My point about being greener is that these ICE vehicles in question have already been made. They're just sitting around. It is better to use them than to manufacture a new (and, frankly, disposable by design like all modern products) EV. A 6 year old used ICE, even something sporty, is greener than the Tesla you're waiting 6 months for from the factory.

[@SonicMrSumo]

We used to make cars here in Australia. And the industry was propped up by the federal government for a very, very long time. But then as South Korean and Chinese brands started to infiltrate and get better and better, that was no longer viable. We don't make cars here in Australia anymore...

[@rjbiker66]

The local manufacturing was doomed way before the Koreans started to become a force in the Australian market. The Chinese have only had a limited impact in the last few years with EVs It was the Japanese manufacturers that had the most impact. And remember Nissan, Toyota and Mitsubishi were building cars here way before the USA. They all packed up and left australian manufacturing before or at same time as Ford and Holden.

[@haha71687]

If an industry needs to be propped up by the government, how viable is it really?

[@RiderP411]

Subsidies can only delay the inevitable doom from lack of competence.

[@VkXander1]

China does not compete fairly. It'd be naive not to put tariff on them

[@barrygoldwasser5449]

Infiltrate..?😂😂

[@curtbrackenrich7883]

I come from both worlds, having owned and driven a Chevy Bolt for 4 years, and now driving a ram truck with a hemi V8 engine. The Chevy bolt was fun to drive as a daily commuter but after all the costs of having two vehicles, it came down to consolidating to one for insurance reasons alone, plus the extra fees they put on electric cars for the license plate tabs. Consolidating to one vehicle it became clear to me that the Chevy Bolt, while fun to drive, would not work as my loan vehicle. The compromises of having an electric car are real; the charging cost are cheaper than gasoline but not zero, the range loss in Winter temps is almost 50%, people don't factor that in. It meant that I could barely drive 100 miles from my home in winter, I live in northern Michigan and we have actual real winter here. I couldn't tow even my lawn mower trailer with a plastic kayak in it. One thing, I never understood - the irrational hatred for EVS from some people, it somehow got associated with politics and that's a damn shame because my Chevy Bolt was more American made than my co-workers Ford truck. Government getting involved in vehicle electrification was a death blow, many people have a natural and understandable aversion to anything the government wants them to do. This was a good video and a good summary of where we are, I think electrification will (slowly) continue but the less government is involved the better it will be for the consumer in the end.

[@austinfrazier7325]

Bingo. I’m a car enthusiast and was semi open to EV from a logical standpoint as of course there are some advantages but the moment the govt involved in attempt to force them than I’m purposely resisting now. Same as with the C shot.

[@justinstewart3248]

You make a great point. As someone myself who is all in on electrification - I’m frustrated that a technology, just a CAR, has become a political issue. And that’s the governments fault. Let the tech speak for itself, not the government speaking for it.

[@patty109109]

Gov EV credits were pivotal in increasing adoption. I am on my third EV now and I also have a new truck. Most people who hold an anti-EV stance have never driven one and suffer from indoctrination. They are amazing in many ways and imperfect in others. Their resale is trash, winter range is bad (much better in Tesla than some others, though). Insurance can be very high. They drive amazingly, cheap to fuel up, require no maintenance. I always take the Tesla first. It’s VERY smooth. I use my truck for truck things and I know it will hold its value better.

[@austinfrazier7325]

@@patty109109 I’ve driven several EVs. My elderly father has a Tesla Model 3. I’m still against them because of govt mandated control. We have to stop govt interference in our lives where we can. It’s already too intrusive. On top of that, with 50+ mpg Priuses running around I don’t logically see the need for complete push to EV only. There is something else going on here. Open your mind.

[@justinstewart3248]

@@patty109109 my Tesla really doesn’t suffer in the winter really at all - once it’s warmed up it’s just like normal. And preconditioning fixes that before you even leave the house. It’s my only car for 3 years now and it goes all over the country. About resale, I think it’s simply a matter of market correction. Once that is all solved they depreciate just like any other car.

[@spiffysrq]

All industry, not just the auto industry in the US needs to get away from the idea of "infinite growth". Its not sustainable. All levels of the supply chain (from the nuts and bolts) to the dealership lots need to become leaner, and they just aren't willing to do that. That means reasonable shareholder returns, reasonable executive compensation, and fair employee waiges. Its going to be a change to a "slow and steady" mindset.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

The Toyota mindset

[@ShaiyanHossain]

careful, this might get you called a communist in some parts of the US....

[@robgeach8105]

infinite growth is just a sales tactic like any other random lie. only the stupidest people actually believe it.

[@johnconcentrius]

Indeed, after a certain point technology becomes a hinderance. It’s like trying to reinvent the wheel. All technology hits a peak.

[@JPZ89]

Japan has been at a point of economic stability (some describe it as stagnation) for the past few decades. Economics Explainedand Money&Macro have great videos on it if you are interested

[@JosephSuber31st]

Low emissions + vehicle durability peaked in EFI NA 4-6 cylinder cars with a couple airbags and plastic bumper covers. We should reset CAFE requirements to the late 90s but include trucks.

[@paytonpeta1336]

I 100% agree. If we get 30% more people driving 4-cylinder sedans that get 28mpg and out of SUVs or Trucks that get 20mpg, that will do more to reduce emissions.

[@raspas99]

@@JosephSuber31st but then you have to force people to do another thing. It's just switching between things that people won't accept.

[@ShaiyanHossain]

@@raspas99 the EPA already forced everyone into larger and more expensive vehicles with the footprint law that penalizes oems for making smaller, more efficient cars, and prioritizes light truck sales more

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

Yes. Too bad the epa is forcing all this expensive braindead bs

[@richardcampbell8685]

Yeah but I don’t want to drive that every day. I did and they were shit and are still shit. Shit sucked. I don’t want to go backwards except when it comes to reversing regulation. I like things with turbos V8s and lots of power because they are fun and enjoyable. You might not want to drive something nice but I want to. You are no more right than they are. What we need is to stop expecting everyone to think and behave the same way. You can keep you shit boxes from the 90s great cars for projects but I’d much rather have something fun with turbos even if that means I’ll only get 200k- 250k out my turbod car rather than 300-400k miles. No solutions only trade offs.

[@uncreativename9936]

There's so many factors going into it just making everything worse. For example, one reason Hertz cited for cancelling their Tesla fleet was chargers requiring accounts to use them, which people renting cars didn't want to bother with. Recently I ran into the same issue with just parking. I went to a parking lot in a big city that I often use when I go there and they had changed from just requiring payment to needing your name, phone number, e-mail, etc. I just left and street parked because I don't want to deal with that BS.

[@Judah.Rosenthal]

Is that just Tesla? I rented an e Mustang and it was super easy. No account. Paid with a CC the two times I charged. The only worry was being too far from the airport to guarantee 85% charged by the time I got there. Did it but was a smidge anxious.

[@petehelme7714]

I assume you are not talking about Tesla Supercharger access here, as Hertz and Tesla worked it out pretty cleanly with the Hertz account credit card being used for payment to Tesla, which was just tacked on to the Hertz bill with no action needed by the renter (i.e. "Tesla Rebill"). But yes, any non-Tesla rental puts the renter through the same thing any EV owner has to do, sign-ups with apps etc. which can be annoying, especially for those who don't do any charging pre-planning with ABRP etc.

[@Judah.Rosenthal]

@@petehelme7714 My Mustang required nothing. I also appreciated that the disconnect button was on the outside of the car instead of inside, like the Ioniq 5, which is in the trunk and a hassle.

[@jamesheartney9546]

Rented a Tesla from Hertz for a trip. Car itself was fine, and charging super easy (it works off the Hertz Tesla account and was charged to me by Hertz). But I had a real problem with Hertz - their first car had a slow leak in one tire, and they wanted to charge me for damaging the car when I brought it back for a replacement. In fact they made me sign a waiver admitting this before they'd let me have a replacement. At the same time, they wanted to charge me for some dings in the car that had been there when I picked it up. I vowed never to rent from Hertz again.

[@d.o.5238]

@@petehelme7714 what's the deal with all this account BS needed for the charging? Why can't I just swipe my card the same way I'm doing at a gas pump?

[@MA-ie6hl]

Mark, Easily the best segment ever. When politicians become engineers and engineers become politicians a recipe for disaster along with this thing called physics….

[@FreezingPT]

since when are good engineers becoming politicians? More good engineers as good politicians would be a good thing

[@amorgan20111]

​@@FreezingPTidk.... If we let the "good engineers" from Volkswagen group, BMW, and Mercedes.... I don't think I'd want to live in that country lol. Same for the engineers who decided to but turbocharged 4 cyl engines in all these Toyota Trucks this gen.

[@OldRustySteele]

@@FreezingPT I’m a retired engineer who worked for 3 large corporations. Not all engineers are good engineers and some are consummate politicians who will do and say anything to get promoted. So you have to always be skeptical, no matter who is making government policy and writing the standards. Frankly, the EPA is guilty of gross overreach on auto standards and it’s making cars more complex and unaffordable for many.

[@Krautastic]

The only thing worse might be the politicians that don't follow science at all. Finite resources aren't a good pairing to infinite growth economy. At some point we will have to address how to live within our means. Including fossil fuels. Including lithium.

[@davidhunternyc1]

The problem is that emissions must be cleaned up. We can't continue to lead down this path though I fear it's already too late. I am, however, hyper aware of how governments pass laws against the people as a way of virtue signaling and consolidating power for themselves. In the US, many municipalities have banned gas stoves but then why do the rich fly private jets and dump millions of gallons of gasoline into our oceans every day while summering on superyachts? Why aren't private jets banned? Why aren't superyachts banned? Because the rich write the rules.

[@davidpatient5089]

Great video! You should do one on the constantly rising car insurance issue. Mine goes up every six months without tickets or claims 😢

[@drtofuu]

Welcome to inflation. Greetings from triple digit inflation Argentina.

[@tjon901]

I have a house and park in a garage now but my insurance 4 years ago was half as much when I lived in a crappy apartment and parked on the street its crazy.

[@mattk2139]

I found out the other day that hondalink reports your driving telemetries to insurance companies. For example if you have the accord touring trim it automatically reports, but the lower trims (sport) do not, or you can opt out.

[@joseeduardo4327]

@@tjon901dollar is worth less, lawsuits are larger, parts cost more, labor to fix cars costs more. Need more dollars to do the same you did years ago. Shit monetary policy

[@rosgoncharuk2403]

Degenerates are crushing cars that are way above their price level, so everyone is paying for it. Most people shouldn't drive at all.

[@jamesjobe927]

I said this when helping my mom buy a new car, “Remember everything the dealer wants is to convince you that scaling up a bad decision is going to somehow save you from those consequences.”

[@pmcotto7371]

The main problem with this conversation is demonstrated right here in the comments of this video. The point isn't about loving or hating E.V.'s, it's about actually speaking about facts and issues. -Are E.V.'s expensive (in America)? Yes, but they don't have to be. Right now, it's a luxury item, and it doesn't have to be like that. When a car is well over the average cost of a new vehicle, that means at least 50% of buyers can't afford it. -Is the infrastructure for charging millions of cars available (in America)? No, not yet. If we have more E.V.'s on the road, we need more chargers (Period). The answer isn't adding video games to your infotainment. Sometimes, waiting 2 plus hours at a grocery store or mall isn't an option. -How many shops near you (that are not the manufacturer of the vehicle) will even work on any E.V.? The answer, very few if any at all. While manufacturers claim allowing independent shops to work on their vehicles would violate I.P. laws, buyers are left shipping E.V.'s for 100's (or 1000's) of miles to get them fixed. All while voiding any warranty that might have been left. Until we can all talk about these things in a somewhat civilized manner, we won't get very far. I really like cars, working on them, talking about them, and driving them. But when any mention of any known issue surrounding E.V.'s is met with combative attitudes or name calling. We all lose.

[@Sal3600]

There main problem is your comment of bs mate. Everything you said you've assumed the answer to and assumed incorrectly. EVs are cheaper on average than ICE. Charging infrastructure is better than gas. You charge at home. You charge at a station only to save your ass. It doesn't take 2 hours to charge. Max it takes 1 hour for 100% charge state. Generally you want to charge to 80% which takes 25 minutes max. You want to talk about it? At least look at the facts.

[@austinfrazier7325]

@@Sal3600I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess you got the C19 shot correct? If yes, that tells me what I need to know about your mindset.

[@bloomtom]

You do not charge an EV out on the road like you fill up on gas. The only way EV makes any sense at all on a personal level is if you can charge at home. Almost every house has an electric service capable of charging an EV, so this isn't some massive technical hurdle. It's an inertial and emotional one.

[@kieranmandy9987]

The bigger issue than "where to charge" is that in most nations, including much of America, the power grid overall is not able to support charging of EVs at the scale required for mass adoption. This is especially true when daily usage patterns overlap with evening peak home consumption. This is not an impossible issue to fix, but scaling power generation, especially in a developed nation, can take decades. In other nations (like much of Asia) home charging is not an option because of heavy reliance on off site parking, high rental vs ownership %ages etc. huge reliance on imported energy sources for power generation in these regions is also a geopolitical factor. Fuel can be stored, electricity, not so much. These factors are part of why Japan has been very slow to adopt EVs, for an example. In some markets they just don't make much sense currently. Again, not insurmountable issues, but ones often overlooked.

[@FB-qs9yw]

@@Sal3600 What a crock. You wrote this as if you a lobbyist for the EV industry. For one thing, virtually no electric grid anywhere in the world has sufficient capacity to support a full conversion to EVs. Additionally, EVs are not at all "climate friendly". This is pure propaganda. The processing of the batteries for EVs is alone enough to make them worse then an ICE running for 15+ years.

[@DDd-hr6mz]

Years ago, when Giorgetto Giugiaro paid his first visit to America, safety was the big issue in the auto world. And when interviewed by a journalist, he said "if safety is your only priority, we should all be driving the same car." Fast forward to today, when emissions are the issue. We will all be driving the same car.

[@cbotten106]

And emissions dictate we all drive vehicles that are overweight, overpowered and overly expensive. I don't think so. We've got to get better battery technologies, and we will, but not on the current (All EV by 2035!) timetable.

[@ratshackmojo]

@@cbotten106 Until solid state EV batteries stop being vaporware, there really hasn't been a breakthrough in EV battery tech since going from Lead acid to lithium ion.

[@eldiablort1461]

Correct. As usual, once the governmental powers that be start dictating that they know better than everyone else, and that we HAVE to all do this sort of weird religious thing where we fall in line following the same creedo for something as simple as a car: you’ve destroyed innovation, individualism, and any semblance of a free market.

[@raist315]

This was excellently done. If people would calmly talk like this, we'd be a lot farther along. Instead, people get angry and start insulting each other.

[@r2dad282]

People are angry because politicians, who are supposed to represent the will of the people, decided they knew best and are cramming down bad policies. If we had reasonable options we wouldn't be in this mess. CA is outlawing new ICE vehicles by 2035. Forgetting the issue of "future laws" and whether that is even legal, there are no technology options for retail consumers. It's even worse for commercial vehicles. Gav wouldn't allow new hybrid trucks in the ports I think starting in 2025. No, only EV trucks, despite the costs. So government created this anger, intentionally.

[@Tripp55]

Why am I hear wishing this videos was twice as long?! Masterfully done. I love these "Conversation" videos you make. It almost feels like it's live and your streaming it.

[@PianoBlackTrimRep.]

Last time I was this early Turbowski was still co-host.

[@CalTN]

Under the chassis with grumpy Turbowski

[@bucknut2000]

what happend to him. to me, he was there and just gone with no explanation.

[@augustortiz]

@@bucknut2000he won mega millions. He’s a Tesla ambassador now.

[@olafvanes]

@@bucknut2000 in every Q&A with savagegeese this is answered.

[@PianoBlackTrimRep.]

I heard Turbowski was involved in a love triangle with Mark and Jack Singapore. Long story short, Turbowski is doing 15 years upstate.

[@adamwilson2203]

"LOL make EV's the savior of all these bad decisions". Well said Mark! I like that this segment treads between any political side and talks about common sense, gradual, smart adoption strategies, and above all Mark is protective of the end user and consumers when it comes to practicality and affordability. Great segment.

[@rhineman]

It’s good that he doesn’t go partisan but some of his claims are just obviously wrong. EVs are quite well proven and tested technology. The Model S came out in 2012. Model 3 in 2017. How many years does it take for tech to be proven? I’ve heard all the arguments about vulnerability of the grid, as if the petroleum supply chain doesn’t have equal or more vulnerabilities.

[@62Miles_SPH]

Completely agree with all the points you make in this article, all eloquently put - and I’m equally aghast at the state of the car industry, and depressed about its current and future trajectory. As you state, the decision to pursue EVs, and force them on the market/consumers, is (catastrophically) ill-informed - made by politicians, both in America and Europe. All based on ideology, over scientific fact. I remember an interview with Prof Gordon Murray, two or three years ago. Apparently, he sits, for has sat, on the board of an independent body that has advised government here in the UK, on all aspects affecting road transport - both private and commercial; road infrastructure, fuels, etc (anything and everything). The panel is comprised of industry experts and scientists. The original decision to force all motor manufacturing to EV was made without referring to that body at all. The focus on the single aspect that an EV does not emit CO2 while running has completely blinded the decision-makers to the elemental fact that EVs are not actually green at all. The mining of Lithium and Copper is catastrophically poisonous to the environment. It also directly generates acute cancers in those working the mines (bone cancer, leukaemia, organ cancers, extreme birth defects, you name it) - and mostly in poorer countries around the world such as Africa, where PPE is limited or non-existent. Further, disposing of spent batteries (at the end of their service life) is even more poisonous to the environment. Some of the battery chemicals can be recycled, but that requires a furnace - which will never be powered by solar panels, wind, or wave power - and then you’re left with an even more concentrated toxic waste to dispose of. Metal chemical waste remains poisonous, not for thousands, or hundreds of thousands, but millions of years. The only way to dispose of these poisons is to seal them up, bury them and leave them. Eventually, though, it will leach into the water table - and we will ingest it. The big elephant in the room is the basic question of where all the electricity will come from. A household charging a car overnight approximately doubles its electrical energy usage. Scaled-up nationally, that leaves any energy grid with a huge problem. The only ‘clean’(-ish) way to currently meet that demand this is to dramatically increase the building of nuclear fission reactor power stations. Here in the UK, Government has commissioned Rolls Royce to design and build a projected 16 such power stations. They will be small, but most will be built well away from any coastline, where there is no supply of water, sufficient to flood the reactor in case of an ‘accident’. Of course, we are told these are very new advanced designs which will be very safe. Good luck selling that to the public. I’m very sure the reaction to this will be exactly the same in the US. The United Nations publishes a ‘state of the world’ report (I believe) every 4 years. It’s huge, and covers all aspects of socio-political and economic interest, including environment. The current report, states that all road transport, including commercial vehicles, accounts for 14% of global CO2 output. Commercial vehicles account for 65% of this pollution. That means only approx 6-7% of global CO2 is produced by private passenger vehicles. Most CO2 pollution is produced by industry and agriculture. The UN report also states that China increases its CO2 output by more than the entire national output of the UK every year - just increases it. And that’s just China. Sadly, I think the first two high-profile casualties of enforcing the move to electrification will be Lotus and then Jaguar-Landrover. I’m afraid I can see both becoming just a badge on a Chinese car, like MG. I truly fear for the global motor industry - just as I’m sure you do. It may realise too late that it’s allowed itself to be painted into a corner. Tens of millions of jobs around the world depend on the motor industry - and there is also the potential knock-on effect on global economy. Hydrogen combustion seems a practical potential solution. Many motor manufacturers around the world have been conducting practical engineering studies. The CEO of Toyota has very recently stated he thinks EV will only comprise a maximum 30% of car sales. JCB conducted a study into electrifying earth-moving vehicles and equipment. They worked-out that their mid-range earth-mover - a 20 metric ton machine - would require between 8 and 9 metric tons a of batteries alone to power it. Then there is the fact that those sorts of machines often work a 2-shift work-cycle per day. No company can afford an expensive machine like that to be idle while charging. JCB have been through a long technology and development programme, and are currently building production examples of hydrogen combustion earth-moving vehicles for sale. I’m very sure Caterpillar in the US must be doing the same. Volvo will have a hydrogen combustion articulated truck cab/tractor on sale on 2026. I’m sorry I’ve rather gone-on a bit but I’m as fed-up as you to see cars becoming ever more complicated, expensive and over-weight. Many thanks for the channel.

[@afb2]

It's the takes and knowledge like this that just keep me coming back. Phenomenal content.

[@psyberiusblack]

Excellent analysis. Something else to note. I addition to the crazy prices for the cars and charger installations, insurance is insane. Why? Because you get tapped just the wrong way and you’re looking at a battery replacement. Since the battery replacement will cost damn near the value of the car (or exactly the value of the car given the crazy depreciation of most electric cars), your insurance company will total it. So the financial and environment hit is much worse than ICE vehicles. Electric vehicles are just nowhere near where they need to be to be truly viable transportation.

[@archzillla]

The infrastructure point is the big one for me. I own a condo in an old building with street parking, it's simply not feasible to buy an all-electric but the government here in Ontario want to force it in less than 10yrs. Good luck with that, seems like a free win for whichever party promises to roll back that agenda a few years from now.

[@YuenanCao]

Work on escaping the beehive trap!

[@tim3172]

Wait, you can't drive somewhere to charge (like you do with gas) because you live in a condo because it's electric? Cars like the Ioniq can charge to 80% in some 15 minutes or 30 if it's really cold. You couldn't charge your car at the grocery store while you shop? You couldn't charge your car while you're at work? You couldn't charge your car while getting a meal at a restaurant? You couldn't charge your car anywhere but in your condo? That's funny. You already do that, just at a gas station.

[@Argedis]

@@tim3172 Yeah because by your own admission charging takes 30 minutes or more, you're going to find charging spots taken while people do all the things you just mentioned. I'll gladly pay the 'premium' for gas and refuel in 5 minutes thanks.

[@wescoleman6390]

Yeah, on-street charging is a large problem, but I see it as a fundamentally solvable engineering problem. @archzilla, what would it take to reconsider your position? You mentioned availability was an issue; what if DC fast chargers had availability comparable to liquid fuel pumps? What if Level 2 chargers were in every on-street parking spot? Or some combination of the previous two options? I think there are ways to make it work, and they all involve massive infrastructure work. But I don't think it's impossible.

[@alexeyf1795]

@@tim3172 Refueling a regular car takes less than 5 minutes, and you can even take a jerrycan and walk to nearby gas station and then refuel your car where you left it if you ran out of fuel. EV become huge burden if you ran out of charge for some reason.

[@AM_ENGR]

I am an Engineer for the South Korean brands (north american market). The performance of internal combustion vehicles is detrimented because of government regulations, forcing us to reduce torque to meet emissions and fuel economy. The revenue margin on plug-in hybrids is minimal, unless we talk about high performance vehicles (like mentioned in the video), and the cost is just too high for most customers. Automakers are backing up from only doing EV development, as sales and market share are not as expected. MSRP for new vehicles, regardless of Propulsion Systems, is ridiculous, but EV cost is just outrageous. In my view, the best option for a good mixture of performance/fuel economy/cost, is to go regular hybrid. Still, I will always prefer internal combustion, as the system is simpler, easier to maintain, and there is no need to worry about high voltage battery replacement over the years. Good video guys, I enjoyed it.

[@rhineman]

Right. You’re an automotive engineer but you think that multiples of moving parts equals simpler? Not very convincing.

[@cj09beira]

@@rhineman and you think less moving parts = must be simpler, you aren't doing much better.

[@rhineman]

@@cj09beiraexplain.

[@delftfietser]

He meant that ICE is more simple than a hybrid drive.

[@bicycle697]

I can only speak about my experience with the Model Y, it has been fine. Reliable transport, good performance and practicality, averaging about 240 wh/mi. real world. Cost 46k after 8k rebate.

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

That is incredibly expensive.

[@niveketihw1897]

We bought a 2024 Camaro and a 2024 Subie BRZ, both manual, and we intend to keep them until they make gasoline illegal.

[@reformedartist8528]

Same😂 guess I’ll be broke when gas is 200 a gallon

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

That will never happen. You’ll be dealing with the consequences of climate change but gasoline isn’t going to be made illegal.

[@Hallowsaw]

You guys should do a video that promotes the better value cars. Get exposure on cheap but well built cars

[@user-qc7dr3cd3q]

Do any exist?

[@opmike343]

Where are they?

[@Tripp55]

They've done many of these types of vehicles in the past. They're actually some of my favorite videos.

[@sanman1188]

Great video Mark! Unfortunately, it is not just cars that are afflicted with this issue. I am in the middle of a kitchen renovation and I am seeing the same problems with kitchen appliances and to a lesser extent cabinets and countertops. Lots of companies trying to sell feature packed garbage with poor warranties and no one to provide reliable service or repair. Just spend more and more money for items that do not last as long as older versions. Similar to cars, one has to be vary when putchasing something with all the bells and whistles.

[@herrbrahms]

Nobody builds a durable refrigerator ice maker/water dispenser. They all die within a few years. Low expectations are helpful.

[@sanman1188]

@@herrbrahms You might be able to say the same thing about cars in the future.

[@MotorDetroit]

Well said. I agree. The transition needs to be at a pace society can swallow and companies, economies, and geopolitics can do in a manner that is sustainable, fair and balanced.

[@kovaji8212]

Great video Mark. The point about massive EVs is something that is so backwards it's hard to fathom. Somehow EVs are supposed to be about efficiency and green and yet we have multiple companies pushing out gigantic monstrosities that weigh close to 10,000 pounds and are absurdly fast. It makes no sense, and by the governments mandates they would rather us trade in a Prius for a EV Hummer or Cybertruck, since all that maters is being dogmatic pure EV no matter any other consideration. Lunacy.

[@bearclaw5115]

Usually when people think something is crazy it's because they don't understand it. The average EV is 2 to 2.5x cleaner for the environment. The Hummer EV is a stupid project but last year they had a whole quarter where they only sold two of them. 2! Let's not pretend that the silliest version of something represents all of them ok? Is the average ICEV a Ford Raptor? EV's are only 10% of new car sales, you have plenty of ICEV's to choose from. And for at least the next 10yrs you'll be able to buy a new one. But you won't. In ten years you'd be nuts to buy ICE because there will be no one that wants them on the used market in 15yrs. So don't worry, you'll be fine. You'll change your preference well before anyone has to shove one down your throat!

[@EvoraGT430]

@@bearclaw5115 It is really cleaner though? Lithium and Cobalt-mining is terribly destructive, plus EVs just don't last as long as ICE cars, so they need replacement more often.

[@alexeyf1795]

@@bearclaw5115 EVs are basically e-waste when buying used, while ICE hold some value (any car is 50% off when driven out of dealership though), and it will not change unless batteries become cheap AND reliable.

[@cj09beira]

@@bearclaw5115 2 times cleaner my ass, they only become cleaner than gas cars past 100k miles

[@theipc-twizzt2789]

@@EvoraGT430This is false. Lithium mining is pretty clean all things considered, especially the process used for Lithium hydroxide (Sun evaporates water). Cobalt is not that dirty. Pretty similar to steel and aluminium. Most EVs do not contain Cobalt anymore, as Iron Phosphate is cheaper. Cobalt is however needed to make gasoline. There are lifecycle studies that consistently show that EVs are cleaner by a massive margin.

[@bikemmm6167]

Great video, thank you. I think Toyotas approach to hybrids is a winning strategy. You will see a new generation of hybrids coming up that will improve peek thermal efficiency from 40% to 45%.

[@dlewis787]

If Toyota has a winning strategy why are they failing in China? Every month Toyota sales in China are down, month over month over month. It's simply they are sticking with something that is not actually that good. China is a few years ahead of everyone else in the move to EV's, and the same will happen to them in other parts of the world over the next few years.

[@kiefershanks4172]

​@@dlewis787My two cents: EVs in China are crazy cheap and are widely supported. Also the Chinese don't really like the Japanese due to their history. Hence Toyota not doing great.

[@dlewis787]

​@@kiefershanks4172 Its the first part, rather then the later. The Japanese brands have struggled with EV's and Software and that is what the Chinese buy really cares about. All of the western brands have struggled with software except for Tesla and thats why they are also seeing major issues in China. But what is happening to Toyota in China right now is their future in Europe in ~24 months if they don't do some drastic rethinking.

[@mrsoisauce9017]

@@dlewis787yeah, pretty much everyone is failing in China because the Chinese consumer cares about big screens and contemporary technology that breaks down easily. In other words, pretty much everything that the Japanese and Western markets stand against. Oh, and they love to buy domestically. There’s a reason why China makes up 3 of the top 20 best selling car brands in the world based on their national car cales alone (BYD, Changan and Geely taking up 12th, 15th and 19th respectively). And do keep in mind that China is only ahead of everyone else in the EV race because their cars dirt cheap, and their cars are dirt cheap because they’re built very poorly. Build quality in Chinese cars is practically nonexistent, with most cars in China being measured based on how much big iPad they can stuff onto the dash rather than the quality of materials in the car or its ability to last a long time. In other words, the Chinese consumer isn’t looking at the long term. He’s looking at the short term. As I said in the beginning, it’s a mentality that clashes with the Japanese mindset of building for long term sustainability rather than short term growth, hence why Japanese cars sell so poorly in China

[@clifftaylor3295]

@@dlewis787 Doesn't China heavily subsidize their EV car market? I could be wrong, but I think that i what I have read.

[@davidmckennan]

Off topic but eagerly waiting an update on your 2024 red Honda Pilot Elite. Thanks.

[@BrianS-ny9yd]

And please do the 2024 Model 3 Performance.

[@maximeparent3004]

I like the freedom aspect of cars, you can jump in them and go wherever you want at high rates of speeds. With gas cars you don’t need to think where to go, there’s gas station absolutely everywhere and they just work. I can drive for hours with the A/C blasting and still cover hundreds of miles. I went to some amazing remote areas that no EVs could take me. And there’s cost… you can buy a 5k$ Honda Civic right now and take it across the states. A 5k$ electric car will be a 2011 Nissan Leaf with 60 miles of range.

[@sprague49]

I wish one of these car vloggers would organize a race. A Tesla Model 3 and a Toyota Prius drive from San Francisco to New York with two drivers in each so no need for overnight motel stops. Just straight through with only food, "fuel-ups" and bathroom breaks. I'd like to see the time difference driving cross country in an EV vs ICE. Anyone tried this yet?

[@Argedis]

@@sprague49 All over KZbin horror stories of EV road trips that take several days extra because of all the charging issues

[@Theweouthereforrealclub-]

@@sprague49I know a guy that moved across the country in a model 3. I can sum that experience up by saying he traded it in immediately

[@spiritedgarage]

​@@sprague49 check Out of Spec Motoring for EV road tripping content

[@drywinddotnet]

Good discussion. I think the missing element is that there are many in government who have no desire for people to have personal vehicles. Therefore, many of these policies are designed to make it impossible for people to have vehicles.

[@DoubleOSevan]

“Broken ideas and broken laws.” Regulators are throwing the book at problems instead of realizing nuanced and strategic approaches are likely to be more fruitful in the long run. As always, consumers pay for it and we have ever-divided sides battling it out to no end.

[@frankw7266]

Excellent video, and it's exactly what I've been saying since Pete Bootygieg made the comparison of an EV to the smart phone, which just demonstrated the absolute cluelessness of politicians. We readily adopted the smart phone because they made it appealing and we WANTED to go there... it wasn't shoved down our throat.

[@bearclaw5115]

Who is shoving an EV down your throat. What a stupid saying that I'm sorry to hear even Mark repeat. You can buy whatever car you like!

[@johngennace4045]

I paid off my lease early on my 2022 Volvo XC60 B6 in order to get a new 2023 Lexus GX60. I wanted to get the GX before it went away with the intention of owning it for a long time. Overall, the Volvo was a nice vehicle, but I leased it for a reason -- a super complicated drivetrain from a brand with a very sketchy reliability record. I can only imagine the cost of maintenance and repair once outside of warranty. The GX is loaded and it wasn't cheap. I'm financing at 2.5% over 4 years, but I anticipate having it for a long time without much drama. This brings me to my point. I am not an early adopter and I am not willing to help industry finance its way through this maze. It's anyones guess how this will ultimately shake out. So until then, I'll wait it out in an old-school vehicle with proven reliability.

[@overbuiltlimited]

Excellent choice. Had a GX for eleven years. Never missed a beat. Sold it last year and the wife wanted a RX. Definitely more whiz bang, but I can't see it lasting like a GX. If the RX starts having issues in five years, I'll search out and get a low mile, minty 2023 GX.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

Volvos have not been those bulletproof reliable machines since before I was born

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

Good choice. I wish I bought a used one of those instead of a new 4Runner

[@FadilKarim]

I just picked up a 2022 GX 460 today for the same reasons. It's a bit more expensive than what I was looking to spend, but Lexus really perfected it with the 2022-2023 model year before adding more cost and complexity in 2024. Good old fashioned NA, port injected V8. Smooth, simple, refined, and built to last. It's a breath of fresh air in today's disposable world.

[@johnnybravo5044]

NA engines forever.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

The only "affordable" car left is Versa. This is an enormous problem.

[@BTC909]

Rumored to be cancelled soon.

[@cbotten106]

And it's such a sh!tbox 90% of Nissan customers would rather kick in $4000 bucks for a Kicks.

[@dystopia-usa]

That is certainly the situation for the US (& Canada) market, but not for other global markets - most of which still value subcompacts in all sorts of trim levels & even manual transmissions.

[@sovereigndonation4217]

​@@cbotten106 Americans always cry how there's no affordable cars but they don't buy them when they have the option😂 i had a Versa as a company car, it takes you from A to B in a pretty cheap manner. Yes it doesn't have heated or ventilated seats nor does it massage your balls but it gets the job done.

[@BTC909]

@@cbotten106 At least you can put a box in the back without having to stuff it in a 2nd row door.

[@Shinigamix07]

I think tons of people including me wouldn’t have as much of a problem with EV’s and electricifying things if they just gave people the choice between ICE and EV. Completely gutting gas powered cars just isn’t the way, it feels forced Edit: love videos like these Mark, as someone who feels that they were born too late to enjoy the best of what automobiles had to offer, it’s nice to hear people older than me talk this way about something I’m so passionate about

[@cbotten106]

Most of that born too late stuff is simply someone buying into old people selling nostalgia. I'll take a smart phone and and EV over a party line and and oil burner any day.

[@paulpellico3797]

you didn't even mention the apartment dwellers and their complete inability to install power charging. we all have been to los angeles...this is the ONLY way you can live...looking out your window into the courtyard and its dirty, unusable pool and directly at the apartments across from you i just read how today the homeowner is going the way of the dinosaur and, in fact, homeownership is out of the reach of most young families. and no power to charge their forced purchase? and the regulators, the unelected bureaucrats, they have no clue about this????

[@r2dad282]

They do know, they just don't care. it's not like you will be funding their reelection campaigns....

[@AndelaPandela]

Someone will get the bright idea to require charging stations at all apartment complexes, because the people around us believe in free lunch

[@paulpellico3797]

@@AndelaPandela EACH parking space will require its own....remember that EVs will be mandatory in this blessed new world order. so ain't no way people are going to wait around for their neighbors to charge up. and that is a LOT of costs added to your rental agreement.

[@r2dad282]

@AndelaPandela As long as we keep voting for politicians happy to spend other people's money like it is free lunch, this will continue. But normies don't run for office and why would they?

[@mrsoisauce9017]

@@r2dad282that’s all politicians at this point. It’s a no win situation

[@marvinanacay6207]

here in the philippines there are still remote areas with no electricity. where tge basic mode of transportion is a motorcycle

[@YuenanCao]

Solar and Tesla Power Wall? Extremely expensive, though…

[@lumberjackdreamer6267]

Solar panels are super cheap, easy, reliable.

[@Krautastic]

Motorcycle is way more efficient than an EV anyway. E-bikes could easily be charged on solar and their much smaller battery/motor would make them less expensive. China already forced all scooters and motorcycles to electric in their cities, so there's already a ton of cheap conversion equipment. Bicycles/motorcycles are much more efficient than cars, but in the US, people don't pay attention to them so it's dangerous to drive them compared to areas that use them more.

[@faheemabbas3965]

Developing nations are going to be laughed at by developed nations when it comes to EVs. EVs are a scam.

[@mdh00000]

@@YuenanCao you really don't have a clue how people live outside your bubble :)

[@CJStingray]

Great summary of the challenges of this transition… you really summed it up incredibly well!

[@RobotRedford2133]

Transitions are hard, remember 70's emissions cars (all pretty bad). Yes electric infrastructure needs to improve, but pure EVs are so much more mechanically simple, they will win in the end. But, the country seems to just want to argue and fight, I no longer have much faith in it solving any of our problems.

[@daniels2761]

They are more mechanically simple, unfortunately the automotive industry is hard at work packing them full of useless shit that breaks like any other car.

[@Argedis]

@@daniels2761 Mechanical simplicity ≠ reliability They are still electronically complex and hardly anyone can work on them too

[@JonoConstantini]

One of the best and most concise contributions to this topic I’ve seen. Thank you so much.

[@Tware8100]

A very honest conversation.... we need more conversations like this on multiple topics.

[@who2u333]

Great video, but my main takeaway is that a guy that has driven MANY cars is enamored with the Lucid Air. I need to test drive one of those.

[@nafnaf0]

If you are interested I would get a 1 to 2 year old, ~5000miles used Lucid Grand Touring. They are ~$30k to $40k less than the new cars

[@justinp85]

Cars and politics are an issue now? What about the insane policies that has led to everyone owning a giant SUV? No one had any issues about those policies. But oh no EV! bad govt.

[@bjornironsides6474]

What politics lead to that? Pretty sure suv/cuv popularity started because they do more, hold more, and can be as fuel efficient as a sedan. And women like to “ sit higher” 😂

[@N1ckZ]

There were absolutely no policies that forced anyone to get an SUV. It's just consumer taste. SUVs are great. Keep crying.

[@d.o.5238]

@@bjornironsides6474 Some men do too. SUVs are just more practical for a middle-aged family man

[@bjornironsides6474]

@@d.o.5238 That's why "And women like to sit higher" was a separate sentence and just a joke that is mostly true. My whole first paragraph was about the practicality in general. So take your "ActuALLy" attitude and gtfo here.

[@d.o.5238]

​@@bjornironsides6474 wow, get a life, bud, no need to be this angry and rude

[@MASTERNC]

Direct injection has already shortened the lives of engines. I’ve had a CR-V need a new cylinder head at 89,000 miles because of the carbon buildup. Something like that in a Honda used to be unheard of. Unfortunately, ever tightening fuel economy standards are forcing automakers to do more of this, even on hybrids (where it wasn’t necessary before)

[@The_Noticer.]

This is why I pump premium gas... better combustion, less particles, less buildup. It sucks, I know.

[@2AMinLosAngeles]

To be fair, some manufacturers seem to have DI figured out better than others. Mazda has been using it since 2012 and has little to no issues with carbon buildup due to running the coolant lines away from the intake valves so they run hot enough to burn off carbon deposits.

[@Argedis]

@@2AMinLosAngeles Skyactiv engines still get carbon build up though, I own one. They simply don't get gunked up as fast. STP makes a DIY valve cleaner that auto sprays in the intake while you raise the RPMs. That keeps the valves clean if you do it every now and then. Toyota and Ford do it right by keeping port injection still.

[@richsimpson450]

BG 44K once a year in cars with DI will keep them clean. Own a number of trucks for my business with DI and they all run like new. I’m confident this makes a big difference.

[@The_Noticer.]

@@richsimpson450 no cleaner thrown into the fuel system will clean carbon off the intake valves dude. It simply doesnt ever get there. You have to physically spray something into the intake, or walnutclean them when it gets bad. Disabling EGR, running PCV catchcans and premium fuel are actual preventatives. Dont get fooled by snakeoil in a can...

[@jrod237]

In the words of DJ Khalid, I appreciate you. Spot on information and excellent delivery.

[@Eldaino999]

The first two points for entry into electric car ownership, 1. Money and 2. A home, for home charging, rules out most folks id wager. We have to remember that no one can buy a house, the cost is astronomical, and not just for folks who are gen z, but for most millennials as well. We also have to remember that if you’re financially responsible, you have to be making well over six figures to afford a $50-$70,000 car. The median income in the United States is what, between 60 and 70,000? These cars aren’t for normal, regular folks. They never were. We are completely basing regulatory models off of the top like 15% of earners in the United States. That’s absolutely insane.

[@nafnaf0]

If they don't already have one, the average kids these days (Gen Z and Millennials) definitely can't afford a house given that housing prices have basically doubled from 5 years ago, and that interest rates hover around 7%.

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

I took a environental economics class once. It was interesting. Main takeaway was that if the government made the decision, it was defientely the worst one for the environment, the people, and your wallet

[@paulallenk4830]

Well Stated. Would like to see large cities (Chicago, NYC, Philly, Boston etc) become less car centric and put emphasis on public transportation, bicycles, walking to get around while we enact many of the policies you mentioned for rural and suburban areas with one personal wish....we tax GIGANTIC Trucks and SUVs more so not every soccer Mom is driving around in massive vehicles and can't see anything directly in front because their too high up. Always hit like on your videos. You and Jack are great.

[@cvillalobos27]

The issue with that is that soccer mom wants to drive that model. We all do things we like to do that passes other people off.

[@sprague49]

One problem is that the cities you mention are too dangerous for anyone but the most brave or desperate to take public transportation. No NY soccer mom is going to take her darling girls to practice from Turtle Bay to Harlem on the subway.

[@faheemabbas3965]

What’s the point of good city infrastructure if the city is so dangerous? Some American cities are so dangerous that they don’t even exist to me. Let them rot with getting what they vote for.

[@LegoDork]

@@sprague49 Lay off the faux newz for a bit mate.

[@C4B2353]

Lol if they tax big vehicles people will still buy them, theyll just buy older ones. People are delusional and think they NEED bigger cars.

[@bournechupacabra]

Genuine question: who exactly is being forced to buy an EV in the US? Just because the government is subsidizing and promoting EVs doesn't mean anyone is forced to buy it. Even in their most optimistic estimates, gas cars and hybrids will still outsell pure EVs for the coming decades.

[@dlewis787]

If you use the actual math of sales in the US it's going to happen a lot faster than you think. The US is about a 16 million a year new car market. 1.1 million EV's were sold in 2023, in 2024 there will be 1.5 - 1.6 million EV's sold. Q2 of this year was the best quarter ever for EV's again, Tesla was down 4% but every brand was up 40%+ for sales of EV's. In 2025 around 2.3 - 2.4 million EV's will be sold and 4 million 2026. 2026/2027 model year is when a lot more second gen EV's will be available from brands and a lot more models in general will be available. 2026 is also when California's EV percentage rules start, EV's have to make up 35% of sales in California and all states that follow their emissions rules. in 2027 it jumps to 43%. This is how you get to 50% of new cars sold being pure EV's by the end of the decade. Before 2030 EV's will outsell all other powertrain options and by the early part of the 2030's they will be 90% of the new car market.

[@dlewis787]

For the used market it will take a lot longer, but by the early 2040's all ICE vehicles will be basically gone from the developed world.

[@Dynmawr]

OEMs are being forced by regulatory bodies to push EV products to dealerships when the dealers want ICE or HEV. Go talk to any dealer and they’ll complain about all the EV inventory they are being pushed to sell when they know they can turn ICE/HEV units much quicker. What this means is if you’re in the market to buy a car and you go to a dealership most of the available inventory are going to be EV and the sales folks will be trying to push those cars on customers

[@Krautastic]

No one is being forced. It's just a scare tactic. Subsidies go to the consumer and that dollar travels up through the economy touching all sorts of workers. A much better dollar spent than giving it straight to the manufacturer. No one's being forced to buy corn, but you can be sure the farmers take every subsidy they can get their hands on.

[@flurpoid]

The CAFE regs which incentivize EVs production are actively worsening the longevity of ICE cars. Things like CVTs and direct injection essentially becoming mandatory in order to maintain efficiency regulations means consumers ultimately lose out on reliability. Combustion cars have _already_ been compromised in order to placate to these regulations.

[@bendcamp4849]

Thanks for spending the time to bring this topic to the forefront. My experience with cars as a teenager was somewhat utopian in the sense that I had the same vehicle for almost 10 years (99’ F-150) and it broke down once during that time. I still have it. Later on during a transitionary period in my life, I decided to purchase another car. Used prices were high, so I bought new. I ended up purchasing a car I knew I wouldn’t lose my a$$ on if I had to sell and that lacked a level of complexity that would prevent me from repairing it down the road. A manual transmission Subaru Crosstrek. I empathize with the millions of folks my age and younger who see purchasing cars post COVID as a fruitless endeavor. A lack of repairability and transparency with today’s cars hinder affordability. The DIY part of me couldn’t fathom purchasing a car I couldn’t repair reasonably affordably. This luxury isn’t obtainable for many buyers. I’m unsure how manufacturers will entice buyers to purchase new as we advance further into this era.

[@Tiffany15222]

It's crazy to me. Even in major-ish cities like Pittsburgh, I don't see many EV stations around. And then I think about other parts of the country that I've been in that never got high speed internet and I wonder if they're going to be left behind for charging too. And with some?all of the charging stations requiring apps you end up with 30 different apps to charge your car, hoping they're all handling your data correctly. Driving a light weight ICE makes me worried for my safety regularly that a Blazer EV is going to run a red and t-bone me, or worse, hit me in a cross walk.

[@montaver2455]

Most new cars are being cost cut to the bone

[@N20Joe]

On the quality side yes, but instead of letting that affect the price, they instead cram them full of a bunch of trash tech and jack up the price + leave you with a bunch of repair bills in the near future.

[@GSKYYT]

Yet still costs 1.5x what it should because the government said we need 500 safety features (which btw have not increased safety)

[@rosgoncharuk2403]

Cost cut? All power windows/seats, all with infotainment and bunch of safety electronics... People are spoiled.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

and all the budget is spent on "technology" a recipe for failure

[@N20Joe]

@@rosgoncharuk2403 They cost cut materials, durability, and engineering, while lavishing on the tech bloat

[@edwink1467]

I want an EV, but I live in a big city with no garage or driveway. Until charging infrastructure allows me to somehow fully charge super quickly (like in 10-15 mins) at a supercharger that can be found everywhere, I don’t think I can live with one. Will that day ever come? One can only dream…

[@lajya01]

The comment section proved your point. People states their true concerns they have about EVs and they get trashed by EVangelists.

[@x3wildcard]

We all know the type, and they're insufferable.

[@NerdlySquared]

The vegans of cars.

[@donnyj8250]

I appreciate you for all that you said here mark, this was well intentioned, no biased and exactly what us in the auto industry is dealing with. I will be reviewing this for a while to use as taking points for my clients. Again, thank you!

[@paulbrowitt7625]

I like this type of evolutionary video. It’s like the manual transmission. Nobody likes to be told HOW to drive. If I’m spending the money, no one tells me how to drive.

[@carmangeek8882]

Bottom line, if the govt is pushing someting, it's probably not in your best interest.

[@N20Joe]

This. If the government says you must have a thing, it's likely in your best interest to not have it. If government says you don't need a thing, then you definitely without question, need that thing. We see this truth play out over and over and over and over and over again on a continuous loop.

[@sprague49]

Ah! Another person has figured out that politicians and bureaucrats are only in it for themselves. High five!

[@rogermartinez78]

Move to North Korea. I love how the propagandists have gotten us to believe that government is the enemy, the more I open my eyes I am starting to see the corporations and the people that lead them are the enemy.

[@cpassehl]

There’s a difference between disliking over-regulation, and paranoia of government. I really don’t understand the rise in the latter. The government mandated seatbelts, air bags, backup cameras, and child car seats/ latch system. Paranoia logic believes these are all evil, when all it did was save countless lives.

[@nicfmartin]

Like seatbelts mandates

[@andrewberardinelli1749]

Why is it always about the safety of the occupants of the vehicles when it comes to accidents, but not the safety of those outside the vehicle? I think Volvo was the only one who advertised about this but that only really worked with vehicles with low hoods. Now that everything's an SUV or truck, how do companies account for the safety of others outside the vehicle with these high hoods? Plus, with the addition of weight for vehicle safety it just makes them heavier and even more lethal at lower speeds. Wouldn't it be easier to remove some of the safety features that have been created and added for people who can't properly drive? Also limiting speeds as well? It'll make cars lighter, more efficient, and safer by making people who operate them feel less safe and more careful drivers. That last part was a stretch

[@wiegraf9009]

Very true

[@bearclaw5115]

Actually we have higher hood lines due to silly regs. Some regulators decided that they wanted to protect people's knees with higher hoodlines. But once the front of the vehicle is higher everything behind it gets higher too. And the higher sills reduce visibility and the higher weight creates additional issues too. BTW, we already limit speeds.

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

@@bearclaw5115Only in Europe, the US has no pedestrian crash test regulation

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

Simply put the US has zero pedestrian crash test regulations. This is why Cybertruck can never be sold in Europe, because they do. Many of us, myself included, thought Cybertruck was never going to happen because they’d want to sell it in Europe too.

[@damoose4229]

Insightful video, well done. As a consumer who is representative of the "average buyer", I think you touched on some really important points in this video. I don't trust the quality of EV's, and I do not want to pay the prices they are asking for them either. Charging IS a problem, especially if you happen to live a more rural life - anyone denying that is just trolling. The thought of spending 50-70,000 on a new car, then have to spend another 3000 to install a plug (more if you have to upgrade) is crazy, I simply won't do it. I really like your points about a throw away culture nulling the perceived benefit of EV's. I think you hit the nail on the head there.

[@meghamama]

This is such great nuanced commentary. I started watching your video car reviews as I'm five years into ownership of a short-range 2019 e-Golf (120-150 miles tops) which really hasn't worked for me the last several years and I have a really different perspective than when I bought it. I was extremely optimistic about full electric when I purchased, and the first couple years of ownership it served my needs pretty well for simple urban commuting. With tax credits I got a very good deal for a car that had nice finish and was fun to drive. I decided to go full EV instead of hybrid or plug in because I love the Golf, appreciated how it handled above hybrids of the time and was much cheaper than the small number of PHEV then available (and still). But pretty quickly I started running into problems. I am a renter and trickle charging from the carport ended up not working because the outlet was wired with insufficient amps. My landlord and I got two estimates from electricians to install a Level 2 outlet/charger and they were between $8-10k including tearing up the driveway, rewiring the garage and updating the electric panel. Because it was a small rental property not considered commercial she qualified for zero incentives. Public charging in LA when I first got the car was actually pretty doable. I had several large charging stations near me that would reliably be open as well as free charging at work. But in recent years public charging has become a farce. Every single time I look for a public charger it will inevitably be broken, crowded with multiple people waiting to use it, or ice cars parked in the spots. I have gotten stranded and had to call mobile charging after a sequence of charging station fails. I've gotten stuck at Level 2 chargers for hours just trying to run a simple errand. And I constantly feel frustrated that my car, which looks and cost just like a normal car, has about half the utility of a gas car. In 5 years I have put less than 10,000 miles on the car because I basically just stopped driving it. I often resort to taking rideshare when I have pressing appointments and I'm not sure my car will make it there and back. I still think EV's have a lot of strengths, but the confidence with which many policymakers talk about an all electric future disturbs me. I really don't think this transition is right for all use cases at this point in time and may never be. I also really don't like this "lease it" throwaway car economy. I don't want to just keep getting lease deals for the next 20 years until the dust settles and the sticker prices of today's cars are so high I would never risk it to buy an EV any time in the near future. My next car will likely be a regular hybrid or pure gas car for that reason. I'm hoping car-makers continue to make advances with hybrid to make the engines/motors more enjoyable and affordable.

[@wescam2958]

Great video. Well done. Very timely and relevant. Thank you.

[@PatMagee86]

Great video, great points. Tax auto manufacturers on a sliding scale that makes larger or heavier vehicles more expensive than smaller cars(currently the system is completely backwards). Allow range extenders in vehicles and still tax them as EVs. As long as the wheels are solely driven by electric motors. ADAS should not be considered in a vehicle's safety rating. Automatic emergency braking saves lives, but the rest of the systems seem to just make lazier worse drivers, and cause the cost of vehicle repairs to be insane.

[@cvillalobos27]

Too smart of a regulation to be passed by a politician who just does what his donor says

[@chuckdiego719]

I hope this video is viewed by millions. Well done. You can’t just take away every job. Bingo.

[@bearclaw5115]

The video had nothing to do with the employment sector!

[@ChrisFromFloriduh]

EVs make sense for commercial, delivery, and NPC commuters that drive a lot. I don’t mind cleaner air but let enthusiasts and car people afford and purchase the cars they want. If they want a Mustang GT V8 with a manual in 2045, let them.

[@ADUSN]

You will eat cricket bread and own nothing. You will be happy

[@AI-qd4vb]

What? If you want to pollute more, you pay for it. Whats that nonsense, letting people screw out with others. Get the mustang, go to the moon, and do with it what your hearth desires...

[@Sal3600]

This i agree with.

[@JackSmith-qi7dr]

“I don’t mind clean air…” has to be the oddest quote yet. “I don’t mind clean drinking water but lead filled is cool as well.”

[@ChrisFromFloriduh]

@@JackSmith-qi7dr idk how to help you understand, my man.

[@philspaghet]

As a gen Z, I LITERALLY CANNOT AFFORD A HOME. In 5 years I might just because I live in Michigan (very cheap state all things considered) and started a career as an engineer but I'm considered wealthy among my age group. How the heck is ANYONE my age going to have the space for an EV?! The whole point of EVs is to save fuel costs but what's the point if we can barely afford $10k cars and the cheapest EV is $30k and still very impractical? I doubt my generation will EVER buy a new car at this rate, me included.

[@fossjonc]

I think the main issue and problem that I see is, for the people who truly like and care about driving cars, it is very hard to get access to the true ultimate fun cars out there for a reasonable price (cars that have a great feel/sound of engine/transmission/exhaust). For example, in Porsche's line up, there's really only a few models that everyone really wants (GT4, GT3, GT2, 9000RPM NA Engine, etc) but even if you had the money you may not be able to make the approved list anyway. I think this kinda ruins the car industry because what is the point of selling all these different models of 718s and 911s if really what the people want is an affordable version of that holy grail engine design which nobody can get their hands on to begin with?

[@jamepearson]

Hey man. I really enjoyed this segment from you, and was enlighten on the topics you discussed. In addition, bro that shade of blue your shirt is really compliment you well. Great job overall!

[@jaball77]

People complaining about EV tax credits or charging infrastructure subsidies need to remember that the US has given TRILLIONS of dollars to the oil industry over the years and continue to subsidize them to this day. It's the same with the ridiculous corn ethanol scam. How about we stop oil and ethanol subsidies and redirect that money toward renewable energy and modernizing the electrical grid? That would go a long way to making EVs more feasible for more people and assuaging some of the fears people have.

[@rjbiker66]

Please list the market specific subsidies the oil industry has access to that other industries can't.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

Fun Fact: Ethanol gas is worse for the environment than pure gas....but they still will never go back.

[@catjesus4319]

Renewables like offshore wind are a scam

[@VkXander1]

Ethanol mandate is one of the biggest subsidy

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

Ethanol is such a scam. Those plants need to be converted to fertilizer plants anyway since China became and net importer and no longer exports fertilizer (specifically nitrogen [urea])

[@Xetairex]

As a long time EV owner (Model S since 2013, Model 3 added in 2018) I agree with what you have said. Electric is the future, but there are issues right now. I’ve had range anxiety only 3 times, in my 11 years of EV driving. I remember these well! 😊 Two were due to chargers being further apart in 2013-2014 time, and one, due to unexpectedly high cross winds on a mountain pass silently eating my range quickly! All these were on long distance journeys. For the 95% of the drivers, it’s the daily commute, and that’s no problem at all with EVs. EXCEPT for renters with no access to good charger going infrastructure. The charging infrastructure sucks because they make little margin, compared to gas stations. Most margin for gas stations is from the merchandise and food sales in the gas station. However, almost all EV chargers are separately operated from convenience stores. This should change. In fact, existing gas stations which own some chargers also, would be the ideal way to do this, IMHO.

[@cbotten106]

That's a good idea. Those EV drivers might want a bag of overpriced chips and a cold beverage too.

[@deej628]

BP is working on this now

[@wescoleman6390]

Yeah, the margin on the fuel itself is razor-thin. Gas and diesel are practically loss leaders. Over the past century, entrepreneurs have built up a business model around selling stuff to motorists that they would want to buy at a fuel stop. The stores are designed around a customer experience that takes only as much time as a fuel stop. The charging infrastructure needs a complementary business model that will create incentives for the chargers to be built in appropriate numbers and properly maintained. We're early enough in the life cycle of this type of product that no one's figured it out yet.

[@brentg80]

Yall are one of the best car based youtubers out there. Telling the consumers what they need to hear instead of just telling people what the manufacturers want you to tell them

[@phg4977]

Colin Chapman said it, simplify and than add lightness. A weight limit on car types would motivate to think more efficiently. Think about better materials, better manufacturing. Makes cars more simple, more fuel efficient, cheaper to build, takes less resources, more environmental friendly and also make them more agile and nimble so speaking fun to drive. If your car gets heavy, you need more power, stronger brakes, more crash structure, stronger suspension and so on, what makes your car even more heavy. More power helps in one direction and that while beeing compromised. Less weight helps in every direction. As a Miata MX-5 daily driver, I know what I am talking about.

[@TheBonsaiZone]

I wouldn't get an EV because I enjoy heel and toe shifting, engine rev matching and the quick handling of light nimble cars. EV's are like sitting in an office cubicle after you get off work.

[@MR3DDev]

Here is something that affected EVs and unfortunately won't change: The forcing of it. Instead of letting it be another type of car on the road and slowly let people see that is better, you got governments announcing there will be no more new ICE cars by 20XX. In the USA people dont like tho be pushed things from the government, this is why EV adoption is higher outside of the US. I think we are migrating away from ICE there is no doubt in my mind, but I don't think EVs are the replacement for it, if anything EVs will end up like Dieasel where there is just another option once we get the climate communists to chill out.

[@Eminetics]

I will never personally own an EV but I’m cool with other people owning them

[@cbotten106]

I am too but many are not. Charging stations are vandalized pretty regularly and random assaults on Cybertrucks have happened. Might blame Musk for that second one.

[@timothykeith1367]

​@@cbotten106 I think EV vandalism is over-reported. I can use a Geo Metro or a Yaris for the rest if my life, I can wait, or ignore EVs. I'm riding a bicycle as much as I can.

[@N1ckZ]

I don't think others care about whether or not you are cool with their decisions.

[@bellemorelock4924]

so you are all-in for public transportation? 👍 EDIT: Oh, I get it now. This is a "what if tommorrow, and tommorrow, and tomorrow, will all be the same?" answer. Cool, for now I have a hot-rod 66 GT, and an '81 rallye car, etc.. but I totally expect GASOLINE to be BANNED in under 20 years because.. you really want to go there? Science. Well they won't ban it but it will be 5x the price and climbing by then. So I absolutely love good EVs, and laugh at the awful ones. And if you are hell-bent on not driving one (and aren't currently retired) you will need to get a horse, or a skateboard someday. History shows that people who talk like this just change when its time, and don't even shrug.

[@micahgunnell]

Governments need to let the free market decide the future of all industries. Whenever they dictate what the solution is, they only create new problems.

[@antoinepageau8336]

The conclusion is very true. My last ICE car a BMW X1 2 liter turbo pile of garbage started costing a fortune to fix and keep running around 100,000 miles. Timing chain, guides, water pump, exhaust manifold, catalytic converter.... In 2020 I leased an Audi Q8 afterwards. I ended up at the dealer 3 times during the first year for electrical problems that left me stranded with the rear windows wide open in a snow storm. I sold it back to the dealer after the pandemic and bought my first Tesla. Never going back to Legacy automakers, never going back to gas.

[@diemes5463]

My main issue with EVs is that you have to carry the weight of your fuel source with you and this creates an inverse issue from ICE vehicles for the low-end of the market, cheaper cars will always have less range. There's no cheap, efficient, simple EV equivalent to a Corolla or Civic and I don't see how it could happen barring a battery miracle.

[@FXPhysics]

When you have to socially engineer an entire population for it to accept a new tech, you know the agenda is not about the tech, it is about the population.

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

That's a nice sounding snippy quote. Good for political debate on the Internet. But is there any truth to it, or does it immediately fall apart under any amount of scrutiny? Is this really about the population, not the technology/environment? Why? What makes you so confident of that claim?

[@tghidsgn]

@@Bertinator-nm9ld Open your eyes, man! I bet you think you wear clothes for protection from the elements when really you've been socially engineered to wear them by the lizard people in charge so they can sell more Nikes.

[@beatsbyLSD]

@@Bertinator-nm9ld soy brain.

[@dsmith9599]

@@beatsbyLSDgood comment bro

[@Bertinator-nm9ld]

@@beatsbyLSD Awesome response! You totally destroyed my counterargument with facts and logic ™

[@duramaxadventures5832]

Remember when 4 transmission replacements woudl cost $1800 for a good one that wont fail again.... Gm 8 speed is $7k and will fail in the exact same way. Dont forget the labor, $12k job. 🤦‍♀️. Bleading people dry. Sure you could trade and pay the $8k to get rid of the car. But now you have to take on more debt. Its just a no win. You could go old (2000's) and reliable. But new cars are so strong in accidents, now you are playing with your life.

[@JoshuaKoerner]

Autotrader did a video on a 356 that had been modified to be electric. It looked absolutely perfect. The motor maxed out at 8k rpm and was pretty weak, so it still required the transmission to use. I think for car enthusiasts, that’s excellent. I just kinda refuse (while I can) to have a rolling computer. A product that costs $40-80k or whatever where I’m still the product because an OE’s line must go up. I’d love to see more of everything on the road. Hybrid, hydrogen, EV, naturally aspirated performance cars. Addressing passenger car emissions and not the 6 mpg that big rigs get is disingenuous. I feel no compunction to personally sacrifice when corporations aren’t held to account.

[@michelfauteux4500]

You were extremely clear in describing how nebulous the situation is. That is life in general ain't it...

[@dammyo6010]

Well thought out and rational video. I would love an EV as a daily with an ICE weekend or special car.

[@rjbiker66]

How is buying two cars environmentally friendly?

[@2AMinLosAngeles]

@@rjbiker66 They never said it was? I agree with their sentiment though, an EV works better as a daily driver than an ICE car ever could assuming you're in a position to install a home charger etc.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@rjbiker66Why are you demanding others be environmentally friendly? We each get to live our own lives.

[@rjbiker66]

@@NomenClature-o8s I'm not. What's the point of EVs? If it's to save the world as its being promoted then it's rather hypocritical to have a backup ICE vehicle when your EV can't do the job.

[@NomenClature-o8s]

@@rjbiker66 People like them. Thats the point.

[@tednordquist5266]

Our enemies are moving away from oil and natural gas as they are strategic targets. Wind and solar are decentralized forms of energy, they are harder to destroy. When goons who want to live in the 9th century can fire cheap weapons and sink slow moving tankers, we need to do something different. If you put the environmental concerns aside, electrification from renewables is a smart security move.

[@rjbiker66]

A decent hailstorm will wipe out a solar farm. A tornado will turn a wind turbines into spaghetti.

[@Iriseon]

Nuclear means energy for all. Renewables means cutting down trees, erasing farmland, mining cobalt, running diesel engines to start windmills and having mountains of unrecoverable renewable trash. One is cheap and abundant energy, the other is feel-good but power-bad. Imagine a future where energy is cheap vs a future where your smart home turns off appliances to avoid brownouts and we limp along.

[@Xenon0000000000001]

@@rjbiker66 You're saying that an enemy nation is going to invent a weather machine to create hailstorms and tornados to attack our renewable energy infrastructure? Doesn't seem very likely.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

the smartest move is making diesel at home from waste (not counting the environment)

[@jacquesc3166]

@@Xenon0000000000001 LOL. What do you really know about HAARP?

[@BrianS-ny9yd]

The future is smaller lighter solid state batteries with 400+ miles range that can be charged quickly to 100% and recycled.

[@javelinXH992]

Really refreshing to hear a properly balanced discussion of the topic. So many channels online are either Pro-EV or Anti-EV and take an almost religious stance either way. As someone with both a diesel and a basic EV (for four years), each has its pros and cons and it all depends on which country you live in, and what your requirements are as an owner. EVs are neither the devil nor angels - they are just cars!

[@jonasirw1]

IMO- The buyer didn't make EVs a politically charged issue, the government did through mandate declarations, artificial market manipulation funded by the tax payers, rebates and so many other sketchy things behind the scenes. Eventually common sense tends to prevail in the end

[@gameboyterrorysta6307]

Another important part to mention about having home charging - you need to live in a house. In Europe 46% live in flats. Vast majority of them are fucked when it comes to "home charging". Requirements for active safety/assistance systems should be removed. Making lightweight cars should be encouraged by regulations, not the opposite way around, as it's currently happening in Europe.

[@EverythingsFine82]

In the name of safety and efficiency, people need to drive smaller and more affordable ICE or hybrid cars. Hey manufacturers, we don't need 10,000lbs EVs that cost $100k! 🤦‍♂️

[@contextual_investor6139]

All I want is a NA gas vehicle with either a manual transmission or a traditional automatic, with no touch screens and very very minimal tech outside of some useful things like a backup camera.

[@Jay-bw3fl]

These are my favorite kind of SG videos. Love to get your opinions and thoughts on things.

[@jonathanthomas4722]

It would be great to see a round table on this topic of "The Future of Cars." Divided segments- past, current, possible futures, barriers (political, technological, corporate), unknowns... My wife and I are thinking starting a family. I currently drive a 2018 Subaru Impreza Sport Hatch as a daily and it's been fantastic. Not the vehicle I really want, but I feel lucky compared to some. Paid for and no issues. I think my next will be a truck, but an ICE, something like a Chevy Colorado. Anyway, great video.