Something isn't right about Meta's Metaverse

[@ThrillSeekerVR]

This is the most important thing in our Virtual Future, we need to make sure it is handled correctly. This is not an attack on any company or person or vision, this is a legitimate concern for our virtual future. Lets talk deeper about it PLUS I have a cool video for the nexus on my discord: Discord.gg/Thrill

[@rubenberliner2844]

Hi

[@That_Guy11191]

Very well put bro

[@isaac-uo3jy]

qotw: why do you think meta event was so badly acted

[@ishner]

The only thing you can do to fight the corporate takeover is deny them your money and your time. The only power you can have is to boycott facebook and its products.

[@rackneh]

No, The Nexus is where you download mods. Think of something else.

[@PikaPetey]

I feel that Facebook stole the word "the metaverse" from us. It's like a company calling themself "the internet"

[@thefirsttrillionaire2925]

Straight horseshit.

[@pongchannel.]

Yep they are going to control the entire world and it'll be shiet

[@rerikm]

in many developing countries Facebook is known as the Internet. thats all there is. It's fucked up!

[@garank2839]

This 100%👆👆👆

[@SINfromPL]

From us? I bet you're "VRchatian" or "Neosian" lol

[@BillehBawb]

absolutely love the idea of everyone deciding to stop calling it "the metaverse" just to try and invalidate facebook's new name and show them that we want a say in this future as well

[@nextGenspacepainter]

We take back the Oasis

[@tebla2074]

I propose "the betterverse"

[@1810jeff]

What about datarealm, cyberspace or any other old euphemism for the internet. The "metaverse" is just the natural progression of the internet anyways so might as well connect the two through language.

[@null7198]

How is invalidating their name saying "We want a part in this"? It's literally just saying "We refuse to let you be a part of this", it has nothing to DO with us being a part of anything, it's just rejection-- Like a teenager.

[@terrasolaris5104]

@@plextor2000 It's much more than that. It'll become much more than that.

[@OriginalLionx]

“No company pours billions into this to get nothing in return” you’re completely right

[@ChrisMinorOfficial]

@ThePotatoMan absolutely only thing is they’re gonna lock you guys in while they live in both worlds -this is the first voluntary “matrix” -and will be the closest thing to living in a simulation. Eventually won’t be voluntary and people won’t come out. We need to get rid of this shit asap in my opinion - w these people in charge _ the tech will never be safe

[@Superabound2]

@ThePotatoMan Mark Zuckerberg: "You know what the worst thing about our user-slaves is? They eventually die. What if.....we didn't let them?"

[@Superabound2]

@Kla Boi the sad thing is this has ALREADY happened at least once before, we are already trapped in Satan's artificial creation and these fools are just recursively aping the simulation they already live in

[@PsycosisIncarnated]

@Kla Boi As an avid fan of Satan i don't even like Zucc or the Metaverse idea that much cause i know for a fact they will be using it to store data and control us even further.

[@LightsOut0]

@ThePotatoMan Sword Art Online is coming lol

[@chefnerd]

What we were promised: Virtual reality What we're most likely getting: A dystopian cyberpunk corporate hellscape

[@Dark_Slayer3000]

Engineer tf2 would be all for it

[@RBUKFAN]

lol

[@chefnerd]

@@Dark_Slayer3000 spah sappin' mah multiverse!

[@graysonsmith7031]

"'Put people first' is listed last" That's Facebook, that's meta.

[@thebush6077]

holy

[@shamicentertainment1262]

I mean I'm fine if after they prioritise everything else, they will at least put us first

[@jensoniv]

if people are first it would never get made. sometimes you need to put the bigger picture first, we are just animals, nothing important.

[@MrMorden00]

Well, they really mean: "Put people first as long as they don't violate our vague yet selectively draconian 'terms of service' or in any way say anything we don't like in the Metaverse."

[@radiantsquare007jrdeluxe9]

that's your mom

[@jennifere.1538]

one thing creepy about their meta introduction video was how innocent they tried to make it seem. like they tried TOO hard to make it look innocent and harmless

[@josephaldrich4023]

Yeah, the characters look almost like children

[@eurostar0711]

All technology is promoted that way. Look at cell phones 15 years ago, and now everyone is stuck looking at a screen losing their ability to interact face to face. All technology is inviting and optional in the beginning and then becomes intrusive and mandatory.

[@phis.750]

@@eurostar0711 thats really it. eventually everyone becomes so dependent on the technology that you could not really get by in life without it. for example I bet it is damn near impossible to get a regular job, or even run a side hustle without having a phone, or at least a computer.

[@MF_JONES]

They have to do that because of paranoid people like yourself

[@jennifere.1538]

@@MF_JONES well you're not wrong. i do catch myself being a little overly paranoid after these last couple years of craziness

[@PianoMastR64]

"We were being pitched our own future." You _nailed_ it with this line. I didn't realize why this all felt vaguely dystopian and eerie until you put it that way

[@teddyillusion2186]

Basically the same pitch lol kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYaTgYyZeNh_bNE

[@sethdrake7551]

its so damn dystopian because theyre trying to sell us an escape from the world they destroyed so they can control our very perceptions of reality

[@magus9553]

@@sethdrake7551 is not even then there's something else by the way not only Facebook but Nvidia Elon musk, apple ,Microsoft and lot more are gonna ager involve into this metaverse is supose to be a connection between this dimention and another ... Those glasses are just like the old telephones whit cables etc the future is the chip conected to your pineal ... ⚛️👁️❄️

[@spqri3]

@@sethdrake7551 The vast majority of the world lives in a fake reality anyways already. It’s called religion. It was all fake all along. Here’s to the metaverse.

[@mmmdazzagoodmemeayzzz7264]

We’ve been pitched it, now is our chance to not buy it.

[@Real_Iron_Smith]

Every time I hear about the Metaverse, I always imagine a more corporate, more sterilized VRchat, and that feels just wrong to me. I hope things like VRchat, community driven passion projects, remain as the norm, but the money and energy behind Meta makes me feel like they're going to try and condense/control it.

[@MrCrabguy]

100% my sentiment. I just hope vrchat won’t sell out to big tech

[@somewhatsomething4882]

That's what happened to the internet...

[@thebrotherhood227]

VR chat is going to be bought by Microsoft or someone and you’ll lose them too don’t worry

[@grimbles39]

Isn't vrchat an anime prostitution game or

[@Real_Iron_Smith]

@@grimbles39 No, it's a primarily user generated Virtual Reality chatroom. The basic premise is that you can enter various "worlds" or servers/rooms and chat with people in VR, wearing whatever skin you have. However, since worlds and skins can be uploaded by users, various video game assets, and entire games have been ported into VRchat, with others creating entirely custom bodies or landscapes. Everything from clubs to DOOM ports, puzzles or mazes, or pretty much anything else you can make in Unity(I believe) can be found in VRchat. NSFW content is officially banned from public worlds and avatars, but there are some users who host private worlds for such things, but the moment it's seen in a public world, users are permabanned. Meanwhile, Meta's Metaverse Horizons has legless avatars that are only about as customizable as a Mii from 2008, and the chatrooms are... bland and sterile, not to mention apparently they want to implement NFTS. Meanwhile, in VRchat, you can have a conversation with a random man in Australia who has some random Anime Avatar while playing golf in some space landscape while optimus prime and Wario have a boxing match 32 feet away, all while dressed as Hank Hill and carrying a Glock you found.

[@Cyynapse]

ngl, metaverse sounds like the exact opposite kind of future id want. it sounds like the downfall of humanity

[@btimec5290]

Same here. Digital tech has enabled us to crawl so far up our own a$$es... tech worshippers and people like Zuckerberg are completely and utterly lost.

[@easyhair4health]

Exactly, there are so many incredibly beautiful places on earth that you could never explore the entire planet all your life. I don't want a fake life. I'll stay alone in the real world by myself

[@chemicalroam]

elon musk will save humanity

[@monke6912]

@@chemicalroam no he wont yust look at his twutter

[@yankalu2000]

@@chemicalroam save or slave? 🤔

[@RogerJamesHamilton1]

Totally agree on the weirdness of the announcement. Mark and Meta are both the epitome of the Uncanny Valley. Human but not quite human.

[@RogerJamesHamilton1]

Great video BTW

[@marcusanark2541]

Word.

[@Archabolt]

What if hes just an advanced A.I.?

[@pleasanthacking]

the proper term in the IT sector is Silly Valley

[@yeflynne]

Mark 1 cyborg

[@Jeremy_Davis]

I guess the answer to “what’s in it for Meta?” Is what had Facebook made its profits on so far? Your data and ads. It will be essentially what the antagonist of Ready Player One wanted out of it.

[@lifeartstudios6207]

Kept saying they're IOI

[@coreym162]

People can always sell what is already being stolen for a profit. That is the only way I can see anyone being cool with ads in VR. Tech giants are missing out by not paying people for their stolen logistical info. People trick the algorithms otherwise leading to ultimate financial loss that could otherwise be utilized for the betterment of everyone. If people were respected and paid users to sit through their ads and get logistical data stolen they'd get more precise and lucrative data than people just tuning it out outright. Some corporations get this. Hopefully Facebook does too.

[@bernaue4505]

This comment doesn't have enough upvotes!

[@simply_based]

1984? nonono, literally Ready Player On

[@CastleDoes]

Exactly, its IOI in real life.

[@CoxTH]

I know this has been mentioned countless times already, but Meta's plans are exactly the plan of the antagonist from Ready Player One.

[@iLLStaticProductionsBeats]

I couldn't help but think the same myself.

[@chrisduncan6747]

But since he'll have created the infrastructure of the real or prototype version of OASIS he'll not only be the antagonist from the movie but he'll have started off as winning the moment he started.

[@HnvyCat]

@@chrisduncan6747 if IOI had already owned Gregarious Games.

[@NedJeffery]

I am a firm believer that as humans, we need hard distinction between virtual reality and actual reality to just cope psychologically. Blurring the lines between those 2 things is dangerous.

[@MagitudeOfHorror]

Absolutely.

[@ImFrostier]

Nice hat

[@catsmack8690]

Bingo.

[@fesalatijannati5677]

Very much so.

[@ricochetsixtyten]

psychosis is very real, no pun intended

[@Cretaal]

The most unsettling thing to me is that CGI Zucc actually expressed emotions. It's so disturbing, he wants to be a real boy...

[@25066j]

It cracks me up how Zuccs digital smile looks more natural than his real smile

[@kayj5056]

Bro everyone is saying that this dude isn’t right.

[@blablabla55555]

True His eyes creep me out

[@silver_forest-k5i]

He is fucking creepy. No drugs will make him more humanly.

[@randomuserame]

That's because the physical zucchini is the avatar. The real zucchini weenie is one with machine. He has transcended human form and is now a program. Which means he can be hacked, corrupted, Trojan'd, or uninstalled.

[@mr.mysteriousyt6118]

He is a demon

[@WhenGoatsWentBaa]

Honestly I love the idea behind the metaverse, but I think that if something like that is created, it needs to be done by the VR community itself and it has to be open source. The way facebook pitches it just makes it feel like they want control over the next stage of the internet when it happens.

[@nealgamingchannel1000]

Because they do want control over it imagine all the information they already have on us, you can’t legitimately run a “successful” business without advertisement on Facebook, youtube, etc. They control the narrative already, people for the most part don’t read newspapers anymore, they don’t sit down and watch the five o clock news, most people get their information from Facebook or social media in general. If they can control that imagine what they can do when our reality gets mixed in with their idea of reality. I’m all for vr I use it casually and mostly just play games with my friends and I know it can be used for much more than that but meta or Facebook spending literal billions of dollars and thousands of man hours into something that they claim they want to share with everyone else makes me nervous to say the least, I just don’t trust them.

[@CorncobStudios]

This feels like the beginning of a dystopian nightmare movie.

[@corneliuselbourne1044]

So true.

[@UnrelatedAntonym]

"Metaverse" is a stolen name. It's from the novel Snow Crash. Mark is also the type of guy to be a corporate villain in that book too.

[@bugz2577]

It probably is sadly

[@MissGayleEnlightens]

Yup.

[@NotAnInformant]

Fact breeds fiction

[@ghilliem.g.5824]

this no joke, feels exactly like the start to a movie about a horrible dystopian future

[@RoyHoy]

How? They're literally the only company who is making VR better.

[@RoyHoy]

@BaxiTube Okay boomer.

[@Kenhai]

@@RoyHoy facts💯🔥❤

[@RoyHoy]

@BaxiTube I'm on this video because I'm subscribed to him. I'm not force to have the same opinion like you or Thrill. So piss off, boomer😂

[@connermckay4012]

@@RoyHoy They literally stole every single piece of technology in their devices from somebody else, and bought them out if they complained. It's NOT them improving anything, it's the people they trample.

[@Elzilcho87]

In the book "Another Now" a character makes an online VR platform called "the multiverse", and in the story a billionaire tries to take it over in order to control the people using it for profit. It's like Zucker is a real-life villain from a story.

[@allyson_santos9194]

Ready Player 1 all over again

[@AmaryInkawult]

He isn't even human. His origin is cyborg lizard from outer space

[@megadeth_9611]

@@AmaryInkawult he used to be a student like us with big dreams who got all caught up with money and greed for power :/ This is really sad

[@AmaryInkawult]

@@megadeth_9611 who was a lizard cyborg from outer space! Even back then he didn't look human. He looks like a fucking changeling.

[@megadeth_9611]

@@AmaryInkawult listen to his lectures dude, it's actually helpful. I also don't trust this guy, but his knowledge about cs is immense and something to learn from. That's why i said it's sad seeing such a good person transform into a space alien.

[@WhispTheFox]

I'm new to VR, and I think it is an incredible thing. The other night, I met up with a friend from Australia and we played cards against humanity among other things while just chatting as if we were in the same room. Then it got late for me in the US and I had to get some sleep. So, as we parted ways we hugged and waved. With Facebook's new announcements (I will never call them Meta) I felt like I was watching Mark Zuckerberg showing us a weird dystopian future operated by a band of corporations. I absolutely despise Facebook for claiming the name Meta. It's like they are taking all of the experiences and creations that have happened in the virtual world and are claiming to be the ones behind it all when they aren't. They may supply the doorway into the virtual space. But all the worlds I've been to in VRChat and all the avatars I've seen have all come from people and raw passion. My fear is that if Facebook's vision comes to fruition, this new virtual frontier will become less organic and more industrial.

[@AetherXIV]

The fact you were unsettled means you really see the long-term potential of VR. We need a free and open VR hub not a corporate one

[@tomaslacus8086]

Facebook pushing so hard on creating vr monopol, that it's actually hurting vr platform.

[@Nobody-Nowhere]

Then you need to kick the profit incentive. That's the only way it will ever happen. As long as there is profit incentive, it will turn into a master/slave system. That's what capitalism is. People are delusional if they think it will end up in any way other than how internet ended. Its now owned by few large companies. Capitalism creates monopolies. And it will do it again and again. And people still think they can have some "nice" version of capitalism.

[@gljames24]

@BaxiTube You are a fool! You'll be thought of in the same way we view skeptics of the telephone.

[@RoyHoy]

He's a VRChat fanboy, that's why.

[@gljames24]

@@Nobody-Nowhere Yeah, we need more mutualistic economics. Cooperatives would better align incentives.

[@SolarpunkJackal]

"No one corporation should have power above the others in this, that's how you put people first." Thank you.

[@derpkilla]

Agreed

[@Degenevesting]

Don’t give corporations who have merged partially with the state access to your reality.

[@Us3r739]

Thank Democrats. Too much power to the government. You all saw what happened a century ago when we gave too much power to the people. Now the exact opposite is happening. You’ll learn

[@SolarpunkJackal]

@@Us3r739 True but if we're talking real problems then the only and final solution is illegalizing lobbyist cash in government and campaign finance in lieu of electing humanitarian engineers into office who've made the most affordable & efficient renewable energy machines. Unfortunately no political party will support this as they depend on endless war and lobbyists for their endless oligarch cash.

[@eliwolf4172]

The Metaverse should be for the good of humanity and not for corporation control like in this reality.

[@TheCangar]

"we don't want to own the Metaverse, it should be open to everyone" *proceeds to literally call themselves the Metaverse*

[@reallyWyrd]

I agree. They don't want to own all the shops -- they just want build the very protocol that let's the shops clump together like lego. FB wants to be the very glue that holds the entire Metaverse together. (What could possibly go wrong? /s)

[@phantommohawk9939]

This is a "constitution" level of fundamental and the community should be a part of it. Meta is being forced upon us without our viewpoints

[@scott96999]

Watching that presentation I truly felt like I was watching the intro montage of a horrible Cyberpunk dystopia.

[@SSJ3Tim]

It sure did look like an episode of Black Mirror!

[@Gawillamon]

It's hard not to feel that way about anything Mark Zuckerborg talks about

[@chadskelton9532]

The uncool one

[@LazyLoonz]

Let's just hope it isn't as unfinish and buggy as Cyberpunk

[@TheVirtualRealityShow]

Important stuff to address, especially those with a voice like yours ^^ thanks for putting so much care into this video

[@Dotty.C4]

Im a squeaky Loser

[@death_by_cheetos2578]

Ayyy, it’s Phia

[@CUBEBOX6]

Well put

[@MichaelRiderRebornfromtheashes]

One of things I thought about was how Google tracks so many of your preferences in the background. When you go to that management console to see what info it has gathered... It's kind of scary. I while I love the different things that hand and eye tracking will offer with VR and AR. My thought is Meta and other companies core business practice is information on you. While much of that information is supposed to be scrubbed with identifiers, I still feel like that will be sold on some level. Gathering more and more of our biometric, thoughts, and feelings. The idea just creeps me out.

[@CoolSs]

@@MichaelRiderRebornfromtheashes I know this sound silly . but facebook actually know when you go to the bathroom . you think i'm crazy but if they know your daily routine . when you wake up and how old you are and when you go to sleep . knowing that from your usage of their apps . they can predict that sort of stuff from algorithm that been developed for years . even if you don't use them, they got shadow profile on you . I am not saying facebook is the only one who doing it . everyone doing it but regardless , it's not ok .

[@aldagosto1413]

Metaverse sounds like a great way to control everyone's life

[@joshisanoob6634]

It is but we can't say that yet so we just tell everyone it a great way to socialise and have fun! Just like we did when everyone was having concerns about us taking their data

[@theteacheroldschool4013]

common bro, that's too much hahahaha metaverse is just a upgrade on technology that we actually we still have people who doesnt use internet, who doesnt know how to use phones and live by old techs, and they are happy and cool with it, the same apply to this new tech, you dont need to be a pat if you dont want, and no one will obligate you to do so, but trust me you will like it, in the future you will say, how could i hate this? hahaha its the sam for internet, on the beggin everyone was saying the same thing as you are right now, and internet gave opportunities for those who needed to do all on their own time, gave voice and chance to many people, so you can watch and get updated with videos like, so you can comunicate faster and better, would rather live in era send message my courier, calling and paying expensive amounts to just hear voice, to send letters and receive days, weeks after? could you imagine need to call or walk to the cab station or bus station everytime? and now we can get everything in our hands in a click? and yea there is los of bla bla bla more hahahahaha but obviously, i would never use facebook metaverse, there will be many out there 100% secure and privacy

[@irestool8757]

@@theteacheroldschool4013 don’t forget. I’m the internet for example literally EVERY website (ok sry. It’s closer to 99%) have their own cookies which you have to accept to use it. Most don’t even ask u for permission. Do you know what cookies do? They can monitor everything you are doing on that website or across websites. Basically see websites you’ve visited what you’ve recently searched for, your ip (which is basically like your home address) and all. The internet isn’t safe or private at all if you don’t happen to have one shitload of protection from it. Facebook for one is also not known for really doing anything for user privacy by literally selling their personal informations and all of the things they like as data to other companies. Which is probably not all they do with that in case u think “that’s it?”. Facebook changing its name to meta and wanting to be the MAIN creator of a future in which our private lives are basically becoming more and more our virtual ones and having to trust them with all that information, knowledge and power would be as irresponsible as naive. You will sooner or later just become another person who’s every preference and even a social profile can be bought on the internet by literally anyone (that’s btw existing already). You should really take a look into this because there is so much shit going on in this world and it is not getting better. So inform yourself a little more and have an open mind because I can promise you that if you would mind having cameras recording you 24/7, you won’t like in what direction our future is headed atm.

[@a64738]

It is not without reason that Suckberg / Facebook is interested in it...

[@Oppteekap]

@@joshisanoob6634 I can say it right now. They can easily ban you and usually you are hooked and addicted to it. And you are pretty much under control by robots ( considering bans nowadays with social media is just shoot first ask later with robots ). They will definitely control your life.

[@rafaeldasilva6247]

I tried a VR goggle once. Got motion sickness in 5 seconds (no joke). I guess that if this thing takes off, I'll be a second class citizen.

[@a64738]

Lot of people get motion sickness and / or headaches and pain in the eyes from VR...,

[@botcrack]

Everybody: "look at Mark, he's so weird, he doesn't seem human, he seems to be a robot" Mark: stop making fun of me...*creates metaverse* now nobody is human! *laughs with maniacal frenzy*

[@booziehoodtv4285]

Cringe asf

[@anascarlet]

Legit, it sounds like he really wants to live in VR himself so that he can have a cute AVI and have people stop making fun of his "lizard" face 😶 ...

[@harshagarwal3855]

How this comment reminded me of Kayaba from Yu-Gi-Oh

[@veganconservative1109]

He does look uncannily like that TV cartoon alien.

[@trevor6607]

ummm....this was stupid.

[@merlints9552]

I think that’s a brilliant idea calling it Nexus now. I feel really uneasy about Meta. Can we all just call it Nexus for our own sake and sanity???

[@coreywest9597]

@@petemoss3160 It already exists. It's just young. That's like telling someone from the late 90s that they can't call it "the Internet" because it doesn't exist..

[@camelCased]

Better Nexus than Matrix; Matrix would be too evil :D

[@Blockistium]

personally i'm not huge on Nexus because of that one dumb janky modding site

[@ibaili]

@@Blockistium what would you rather call it?

[@user-eh5wo8re3d]

Or start a petition for facebook to change its name back. I hate that they claimed "meta" for their shitty company. Even beyond the meta verse, meta has so many other connotations that are now bound to shitty facebook

[@bedney45]

Having been around since before the Web (yea, I’m old), I saw the same pattern there. But then everyone figured out that we were all better off having a standards organization like the W3C that could set technical standards for interoperability. It went a long way towards making sure that no one company could seize complete control of the web. The model certainly has its flaws, but maybe we need a W3C for the meta-verse?

[@stevetb7777]

Well said! (I'm older than the internet too)

[@onel0uder114]

Yes please!

[@namegoeshere197]

What is the internet?

[@itsguyblack5548]

what was it like before the web LOL

[@bedney45]

@@itsguyblack5548 - well, there was email, FTP and an information sharing service called Archie that would index FTP archives. There was also "news servers", but it was all very primitive. We had to warm ourselves by the fire and cook over an open flame - LOL 😃

[@earthplanet403]

If the 'metaworld' becomes real, it really needs to become totally open source.

[@AshtonSnapp]

I honestly agree with everything you’ve said in this video. The metaverse needs to be open, decentralized, and built by the community.

[@migueltucabron]

And how is this supposed to work? How can you have a metaverse while being decentralized? The metaverse is supposed to be the connector between various different applications, therefore it has to be centralized, cause otherwise it's just the internet as we already know it without any connection or central hub.

[@dustbunny6021]

@@migueltucabron you dont actually know anything about crypto do you? if you did youd realize that quite literally ALL networks CAN be decentralized.... and most SHOULD be...

[@migueltucabron]

@@dustbunny6021 A crypto network is just a part of the metaverse. In my understanding the metaverse is the connector that ties crypto currencies, NFTs, VR, AR, Web 2.0, Gaming and much more services together into on one big platform. Obviously the crypto currency itself and the blockchain it runs on should be decentralized, but how can you dezentralize that central connector/hub/platform or however you want to call it?

[@yankalu2000]

@@migueltucabron go educate yourself, you are talking nonsense, and you can’t make any conclusions before you understand how it works. Because otherwise your conclusions are completely wrong. Also read on about centralised power and a dirty history the world has on every country it was implemented. People like you are easy to manipulate. Blockchain concept is hard to understand for non programmers, I had to watch numerous videos and read on it. Good luck.

[@migueltucabron]

@@yankalu2000 Have your read the entire thread here? I feel like I already have addressed that. As far as I understand the term metaverse it is the connector between VR, AR, Web 2.0 etc. How would it be possible to connect various applications without that connector being centralized? As I already said the Block chain obviously should be decentralized. I am not debating that but a metaverse is so much more than just the blockchain.

[@leyspun]

Zuckerberg's metaverse character looks more human than zuckerberg himself.

[@ShiriR6]

lmao

[@josephaldrich4023]

It's funny and creepy at the same time because it's 100% true

[@silverblue73]

I know right? It was awkwardly calming to see and dangerous in that we may some day forget who he really is

[@MissPopuri]

I actually want to pinch cartoon Zuckerberg’s cheek he looks so cute, but the real man makes me want to slap him in the face.

[@user-qv4fq3lu2z]

@@sharbear4734 yep

[@the_diplomat51]

We were given two years by the pandemic to sink into us and realize that interacting with our family, friends, and people in real life is much more valuable than ever. We had TWO YEARS. And what do we get? Meta? Another layer of separation and detachment to people? Make no mistake, it is nice to see technological advancement, but not this time. Not this time.

[@anafael1]

I totally agree.

[@nebulaone908]

Beautifully put.

[@thelordpotatoesorjtswagste1945]

I disagree, it might help us see eachother more often, stand right beside eachother even when we can't meet in real life

[@nataliesiimone]

word

[@cheezeebutter452]

It’s even worse that this was announced during the pandemic when a lot of people are given no legal way to meet people other than this. A device that brings people together, yet detaches us all the same. I’ve been trying to get off of my devices more and more. I’ll never stop using them but it’s important I live in the real world. I’ve missed out on so much human connection.

[@Dark_Slayer3000]

"I'm trying to keep this as BASED as possible" nice

[@SQTierHog]

I just found this channel. I'm an older man, so I've heard of virtual reality long ago. But back then it was too wonky, if that's a correct way to put it. The other day, when I visited a family member, they had this Oculus Quest 2. As whoever may read this can guess, I started YouTubing it. And yesterday, I bought one, but have not opened the box, wasn't too sure about the Facebook thing. But now I hear there's an update not requiring that. Now, although older, I'm not freaked out about anything, I love all this technology, so I'm going to sign up however I have to sign up to use this new device. Back to being new with this channel... I highly appreciate the conversation that this young gentleman had regarding this 'meta' stuff. Although his video is the first I've watched regarding it, I absolutely agreed with everything he said. Not that us older folks can't help with change, I do feel that this young gentleman and the rest of you young, intelligent folks are going to be the ones to keep pushing, keep demanding for an US thing. He is so correct this is about US controlling what we want, not some larger entity telling us what we want. Anyhow this is way longer than I thought I would write, if anyone's made it this far I hope I've made some sense. Again, thank you Thrill Seeker!

[@Terandium]

I agree with what u said, but i think you mean the world controlling it not the us ;) The usa also has lots of tracking, spying and other bs government stuff. Europe has way better privacy laws

[@SQTierHog]

@@TerandiumI agree with your reply.:) By 'US' I didn't mean United States. I meant US as in us people. Bottom line is, I think we all want the same thing! Lol

[@Terandium]

@@SQTierHog oh I completely read that wrong!! My bad! Glad to have this clearedup

[@rickhowe5082]

Yes I agree. We need to put our foot down with big companies. WE THE PEOPLE OF EARTH are NOT a product and WE want to control the technology, not BE controlled BY the company.

[@SQTierHog]

@@Terandium I'm pretty grateful that you took the time to reply. That you care enough. Yeah I'm 58 years old, and I'm stunned how far along VR has come, I'm nervous but excited at the same time. Obviously you can tell by my long rant, but thanks for caring. Yeah I sure hope that it's us people that developers should keep in mind. You know, I don't have a problem with developers wanting to know what I might be interested in as far as buying stuff, as long as they're upfront about it, I am going to buy stuff and I have no problem with paying for the incredible work these people are doing. It just comes down to integrity, you know? Again thank you very much, I've enjoyed what you've written!

[@kultdawg]

"most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." -Aldous Huxley

[@kaiobikeg8749]

And those that do rebel… labeled racist, extremist and so on. The media and the 6 companies that control the news are going to spear head the NPC’s into servitude.

[@wizarddaddy47]

@@kaiobikeg8749 Better to die a free man.

[@kaiobikeg8749]

@@wizarddaddy47 in death, are we truly free?

[@MannIchFindKeinName]

@@kaiobikeg8749 havent seen any rebel called racist. Only racists that thought they are victims and called themself resistance while voting for the politicians that gave us this *points at everything*

[@Bramswarr]

@@MannIchFindKeinName everyone who supported trump was called a racist. not everyone was; there are more than two people in the united states. democrats and republicans aren't black and white like their parties. people went to the Jan 6 riot just to show support; hundreds of people were there and not everyone had a hand in committing some sort of crime. there are victims who are being prosecuted for standing and watching a riot as though they participated. if you find yourself generalizing a population based on who they voted for, you are being controlled. lots of people have good reasons to vote for bernie, or trump, or biden. no one knows for sure if their vote was the right choice until it is but hindsight.

[@TwiztidKlownzTX]

To me Meta feels an awful lot like "what if ioi created the Oasis." I definitely don't want the framework of all things virtual to be owned by a big corporation. I don't see any way that could end well.

[@HashCollision]

Yeah it's a little too late for that. Think about who owns the platform you just left your comment on

[@mikuy2433]

The question is, how far should we go before we stop ? I mean, why can't we keep our actual technologies and stop developing the metaverse ? I feel like the metaverse will just cause depressions, lonelines, and pain... Or am I just weird ?

[@heatherclifton6543]

The metaverse sounds so sad and hollow. I feel bad for the people who want to live their lives in a fake world as an avatar. But I do agree that if this is going to exist, it needs to have open code and be decentralized.

[@nikia5974]

Because it is. Virtual reality is supposed to imitate reality, but by adding extra features. By that, I mean in that world, WE can do whatever we want. Not only that, but I personally believe that everyone wants to hop on the VR train because reality itself is not free to roam itself. People can't actually enjoy life at its best if it isn't free right? the metaverse is supposed to replace that. Honestly, I would not have a problem with technology like this if humanity was not such a corrupt species.

[@bmmaaate]

@@nikia5974 They have spent the last two years programming people to believe that interaction is dirty. Stay in your cube and be safe. Now we get to party alone. Great!

[@GuidetteExpert]

All I felt is manipulation trough that advertisement. From a business aspect businesses try to compete by making their platform as irresistible and addictable as possible to make you stay there more to consume more. That is at the expense of peoples health and will have worse effects on people that are isolated like children or lonely people.

[@venomousfrog5546]

@@bmmaaate if things keep going the way they have been, Covid will stop being an issue worth imposing isolation over. Omicron is notably less deadly than previous variants, and diseases that kill their hosts don't succeed unless corpses can spread the disease ,and medical care mentalities have made the kill-then-spread tactic really impractical for diseases. As a result, it isn't unreasonable to assume Covid will continue getting less dangerous. Even if not, we will develop a collective immunity in a generation or 2 despite no continued development of the disease. This isn't forever, but the timescale is unfortunately measured in months and years.

[@bmmaaate]

@@venomousfrog5546 But how will we know it isn't deadly if the media keeps telling us they people are dropping like flies? I'm yet to meet anyone that has so much as coughed in the last two years but most TV watchers are sitting at home alone wearing hazmat suits. This whole corona thing has been blown way out of proportion on purpose.

[@AscendantStoic]

The Metaverse is the future ... until Facebook bans you for some arbitrary reason not related to VR (without any recourse) and you lose access to your entire VR library XD

[@Jimbobalina1]

Scary, huh?

[@sonzu-officialmusicchannel640]

@@chrikke or none. Tbh if the colective of companies doesnt like what you have to say you get banned.

[@bknicey639]

If you get banned when the metavrse is fully integrated into our society you wouldn't just lose virtual items you could lose everything

[@Dreams_Of_Lavender]

@@chrikke Free (as in speech and beer) platforms aren't run by a company at all. Everyone has access to every part of it, no matter what.

[@slapthekillswitch]

@@sonzu-officialmusicchannel640 exactly they already use other software to talk to one another. It’s why we see coordinated things like big bans

[@ChroniclerEnigma]

I'm glad that someone finally addressed the absolutely bizarre uncanny valley dream like vibes that Metaverse introduction video gave. It gave me chills for how unnerving and sudden it was with no context, and after all the weird shit that has happened with facebook this past year? Something just really doesn't feel right about this project and what its aiming for. It really feels like they're taking something that we have every right to explore for ourselves and- they're terraforming it.

[@rbgg2010]

Terraforming unexplored land and getting it ready for commodification is a great way of putting it. The near limitless potential of the future locked down behind paywalls and subscription fees...

[@cheryldeboissiere7824]

Exploiting it...

[@mouminali644]

What you’re feeling is coming from your human nature, we are not meant to be for this virtual dreamworld

[@silverblue73]

They'd really prefer you forget about all that stuff and just stay in VR happy land

[@NaNa-zp7vs]

Ready player one here we come!

[@danthewatcher9681]

TS you helped me understand why I was feeling uneasy when seeing Zuc's announcement about Meta and it's Vers, I'm glad I'm not the only one to be put off about it and also thanks for the last video about the new VR set , I'm exited for the future of VR even if I'm a bit uneasy about the soon to come Metavers... hopefully we won't get a virus that screws with our heads :D

[@genesisfpv]

Definitely never calling it meta til they prove themselves... The original oculus company, Thank you. Thrill, you said it best, Nexus sounds good 👌.. Also if you go missing im calling Facebook XD

[@MasonJarGaming]

Personally, I will be calling them “the company formerly know as Facebook”, and there is nothing they can do to change that.

[@jonathanclark7444]

Facebook is going to become better at disappearing people than the ccp

[@cone9299]

the way your videos changed from: "new headset leak, new technoligies etc." to "your whole life will change forever and we need to fight for it to change for the better"

[@qgfdgdfsdffbfb5114]

@BaxiTube The one who is not sane is you, what the hell are you talking about?

[@Ender-pp6kl]

@BaxiTube Lmao are you on something? Stop being dramatic, other vr headsets will always exist. Unless you expect Meta to buy valve and htc or something

[@KaiFulci]

@BaxiTube You know valve is coming out with a wireless headset right? Facebook doesn't own VR. There will always be other options. But if you want to quit VR welp.. there's the door don't let it hit ya

[@renownedisland1]

I find it sorta funny that everything Meta promised is what VRchat just already is.

[@likedwharf0687]

Not AR though which I feel that that is the game changer. Mixing both reality with AR

[@willmosse3684]

And Altspace, which I have used a lot more.

[@olliknecks]

They literally described rec room lol

[@sleeve9097]

vrchat is for gay people, lolis and furries

[@willmosse3684]

@@likedwharf0687 The distinction between AR and VR will be meaningless in a handful of years

[@reignofparadox9611]

i feel like we’re at a turning point in which we’ll either head towards a golden age or descend into madness

[@CHEFPKR]

To play devils advocate, I could see Meta creating software like Unreal Engine. A suite of software that can be used to make things work in the Metaverse. But as it stands, Meta seems more like IO than anything else.

[@williamh.gatesiii8183]

UE is useful

[@Geoff_W]

What you are talking about is more of an API then an 'engine' really, and We already have that with OpenXR. Facebook even already EOL'd its own API in favor of OpenXR, which is a good thing. I would hope they would expand OpenXR and use that as the API's for interacting with their metaverse, which would also mean said API's are open source and available for use by anyone.

[@qapaMcFly]

@@Geoff_W This.

[@DontTrustThemSnakes]

Unreal doesn't steal and sell your data

[@RoyHoy]

Nope. Meta seems like a company that cares about VR. They are doing great things. IO didn't do great things.

[@jacobswitkowski3685]

This feels like Mr. Mark watched Ready Player One and decided "Hmmm, Im gonna create this in the sketchy Facebook way." It feels like Facebook is the IOI of the real world.

[@west_0129]

Actually they are kind of a mix. They are the creator and the people capitalizing on it

[@SteelR4t]

This was my first thought too.. "looks like we're getting the Oasis, but in the RL version Nolan Sorento is going to make it, not James Halliday"

[@theholyregime7131]

Oof your Facebook bad is showing.

[@XablazedX]

@@theholyregime7131 "Put people first" Literally last in the list. That told me pretty much all I needed to know, you feel me?

[@moonlightning8269]

Its because the idea of the oasis coexisting as a virtual utopia within a real dystopia is patently absurd. Of course the metaverse is going to be centralized, monetized, censored, monopolized, and violating privacy rights when that’s how our current internet it, and when all the money and power is already in the hands of a few corporations and individuals

[@ironcladvr]

Bro, I've been watching ya for awhile, but this is EXACTLY what I felt while watching this. This is corporate world trying to hold out shackles and chains to us and tell us that they're "freeing" us while they put them on. You nailed it when you said "We've already created The Metaverse" Zuck is just trying to put a business label on it to own it.

[@phillipusaudox9156]

It feels almost poetic that I was using my new electric sweeper (like a weaker vacuum for hard floors) to attempt to sweep while I listened to this. I attempted to sweep while I locked up very little, I figured I should see about emptying it, and I worked at it, attempting to figure out how to release the insides until you signed off, and right as you said that it finally came off and exploded all over me. I put it back together and went to sweep, but it picks very little before getting jammed. New technology is cool and exiting, everyone tells you about how amazing it is and gets you involved (it was a gift) but in reality my plain old broom is just so much better. This isn’t to say technology is bad but we have to consider our own opinions on them rather than what we are told to think of them.

[@exobodyfoundation4472]

If a non dystopian metaverse is to exist, it should be of and by the people, not a Meta Corp. It should be open source and work like a decentralized, decommodified peer to peer network structure. NeXR also should be considered for a name.

[@xitcix8360]

How are "the people" going to produce the metaverse? There has to be a company with the means of producing the hardware and software.

[@whoopingmuffin9700]

@@xitcix8360 How do people produce the internet. As it stands the "metaverse" is on the same ideas as the starting of the internet, eventually people will figure out how to do it themselves, but this only stands if a major company doesnt try to get a strangle hold on all of it so it only goes on their rules. Funny enough sounds similar to the persona metaverse, an alternate world which normally belongs to everyone, but can have a dark side under the control of an entity over a certain area.

[@Andre_Jordan]

@@whoopingmuffin9700 Considering that the Internet was made by the US government and allowed to be free. I think we'll be fine. Did you know that the TOR Browser was also created by the US naval research lab?

[@rod4309]

@@Andre_Jordan I didn't know either of those... That's awesome!

[@exobodyfoundation4472]

@@xitcix8360 Open source community software projects exists and it can be opened to all hardware.

[@natec1]

If the Metaverse ever becomes a real thing, which I think it will, it NEEDS to be entirely open source.

[@clared5812]

I agree. I think we need a new version of a universal group that dictates cyber law so that rules and regulations aren’t entirely dictated by the will of whichever company owns the most servers. People have to come before profit.

[@k_mudds]

Ye it should be open source

[@SirMalorak]

Same thing happened back in the day with different OS, software, the internet and it'll happen again here. You won't get anything ever again that's 100% open source. Too much money is on the line.

[@getb0nk]

@@SirMalorak without it being open source, we could all be walking into a trap and having no escape, virtually speaking

[@haydenj4738]

Agreed

[@Tobyoshi]

Seeing that you were actually moved and concerned after Connect means you're genuine about the industry and it also shows through your based stances and content. Thanks for being there for the community and caring. Voices like your are important to be heard

[@invictawarrior]

This opinion and concerns are spot on and well presented. Thank you and to all that see this consider it carefully. This feels like "Facebook" saying it wants to shape and control your reality. How'd they do with spreading propaganda that hurts cultures and societies?

[@janfurmanek1448]

Working in a VR Hardware company, all I can say is I couldn't agree more with what you have said. Facebook states they shall create a shared space and let the meta be joined and developed together by different companies and the community itself. So far, based on my experience with FB, that is complete BS. As an example, in the past years they have been guarding the Quest API like Fort Knox, making any third-party hardware integrations impossible. Knowing they have been stopping others from enhancing the quest in any way like with full-body tracking, haptics or locomotion I do not have any trust they are going to shift their policy and suddenly start to do the opposite. The metaverse they aim to create will be a metaverse held by them, maybe with a few other partner companies who they will make some non-written agreements with to settle what piece of the cake each of them gets. And they are going to jealously guard that cake from anyone else and the community itself.

[@torenchao]

I'm so happy that so many people are watching and agreeing with this video. It's a relief to know that so many are seeing what facebook is really doing, even if they were initially starry eyed with the prospects like I was.

[@breadman3564]

mark: its a future that beyonds anyone that competes us vrchat: i exist

[@rrdutch4111]

Facebook was meant to connect people and make new friends; look how that turned out🤷🏻 It’s clear where big tech’s motivations lie, if this were implemented at the scale they’re advertising (as with most tech, the final product rarely delivers compared to the cgi presentation / prototype) it would be a dystopian nightmare.

[@peoples_7736]

I'm pretty sure it was never meant to be like that since the beginning

[@blidea9191]

it was planned from the start.

[@Sarah-ft8jr]

I got a quest 2 for Christmas and In my opinion it’s a great way for people from different countries and from all walks of life to come together and talk about current topics. I’m not on Facebook but it’s fun to go on vr chat rooms and discuss things like politics and Covid in a way that is more understandable rather then just in messages online that can be misconstrued and turn nasty for no reason. Besides that I like the fitness games, and immersive videos like sky diving or swimming in the coral reef. It’s a fun piece of kit and I can imagine it could be quite a lifeline for a person who is bedbound.

[@dubwub4667]

Yeah we’d be livin in a black mirror episode

[@johnalexir7634]

Yeah... this is a hard pass. I will in no way participate in this or anything like it. Hard to imagine how anyone could be fooled by such silly promises. This is the technological equivalent of "come into my windowless van for some candy, children''.

[@BeepBoy]

LITERALLY

[@invictawarrior]

Exactly! It's creepy just like that!

[@64bitmodels66]

except said person who owns that windowless van is a billionaire determined to force every kid into one of his vans driven by millions of people across the world

[@VanessaAbq]

🤣 Right!?

[@ezskreet]

Spot on

[@roninyasuo4301]

This is where the rebellious programmers, hackers, and engineers come together.

[@jackalenterprisesofohio]

Well as long as they leave me alone since I don't even trust vr That's why _if_ I was to create anything vr it would have plain old computer accessibility.

[@UNSCPILOT]

The GNU / FOSS community will laugh and take up "arms" to build their own VR 'verse

[@singularitysquaredllc.895]

OpenVerse...

[@mousepotatodoesstuff]

@@singularitysquaredllc.895 Exactly what I thought before reading your comment. OpenVerse

[@inactiveaccount4829]

Not all of us are being devoured by the group mentality. ie “reform for profit”. If you’re truly progressive, you’ll see right through large corporations’ grasp on our mentality through pushing ideas that we “should” think is progressive just because it’s left, or right, or whatever. We should be humans because we’re beautiful just the way we are. Just remember, if there’s a popular political stance, it’s usually BECAUSE profitable.

[@ittush]

I absolutely love this video. Every word said here was as accurate as it could be. I came here to know what exactly "metaverse" is and before i knew what it was i already had a very uneasy feeling about all this. I am a millennial and facebook was a turning point in our lives and internet, slowly came platforms like whatsapp, instagram, tiktok, etc. Things started to change as facebook slowly gained an upper hand, started acquiring other platforms. I am from India and despite what the local media says or the government says, Facebook has a huge role in Indian politics, ranging from spreading right-wing propaganda to suppression of religious minorities. How the government and facebook use each other interchangeably is sickening. India is slowly turning into this pseudo-nazi state which is more of an autocracy than democracy. most recently the local election in my area were postponed by the ruling BJP govt citing Co-vid safety reasongs but in reality the government is actually scared to contest in elections right now and wants some time to bail out of many issues. Back to facebook (as i dont like it calling Meta), I only have a big F word for Mark 'Sucker'berg. All this VR thing is, if not anything, SCARY.

[@look-awaytv5975]

And actually this goes far more than the goal to just make more money. This is addressed to God himself. They are playing a very dangerous Game.

[@gunzshy]

Thanks for bringing this up. The word you were looking for was soul. VR chat has soul. Please do more content like this.

[@Aereto]

VRChat is chaotic, like the wild frontier in social space. And we, the more neutral or chaotic leaning individual who reject the rigid law and moderation of social media, are more comfortable there than what Meta can ever over. That is why I reject Oculus Quest 2 despite the price. I went to Lynx R1 to find the balance between untethered freedom of AR and wired power of VR.

[@arechi3208]

Soul? I don't think so. 90% of the people on VRchat are arent worth the time. They have a small friend group they meet up with there and ignore everyone else telling you to go away. Dudes tryna flirt and getting mad when you near them. There's lots of kids screaming and being general nuisances. Depressed teen girls that can hold a conversation pretty well, but the problem lies with the teen part, just seems inappropriate for a grown man to be speaking to an underage girl. The guys who like to jump into a lobbies simply so they can put on a skin that crashes everyone that doesn't have his avatar blocked. Then you get the "tough" peeps that wanna argue and try threatening people like they can actually do anything. Then in the smallest of portions, you'll find a few guys and gals that are of age and are actually chill to be around.

[@mcstench8913]

vr chat has a bunch of furries and 7 year olds screaming lmao

[@SparioVailen]

I agree with the idea of using Nexus instead of Metaverse! Honestly though, unless someone beats "Meta" to the punch with a fully functional Nexus, it might not be doing much!

[@MojoOnPC]

Great video, we should be asking ourselves these questions. Thank you for sharing this 🙏

[@monotonemoe]

Huh? What are you doing here mojo?

[@Redman8086]

I agree with everything you said in this video, particularly the part about how we need an open standard for this "new" world. Allowing Facebook or Microsoft to control an entire virtual landscape that will, eventually, become a part of life, a part of our perceived reality even, sounds too dangerous. If technology gets to the point that an actual "Matrix" is possible, it needs to be decentralized so the people have control over it, not Facebook. I'm certain that some company or organization will create a decentralized alternative at some point, so I'm not too worried.

[@mastergecko1178]

This plus technology like Neuralink which can alter your perception of reality on a neurological level would be the most horrific dystopian nightmare without proper laws and regulations. Imagine the police gunning down someone right next to you but from your perspective nothing ever happened, even more terrifyingly, from the officer’s perspective he was only using a taser.

[@sol2835]

drama aleeeerrtt!!! no but i completly agree with you lol

[@jackalenterprisesofohio]

That's why you should start reading the terms and conditions _even though_ they are a pain to read.

[@C3yl0]

Yes. Neuroethical issues are at stake with all these psychopaths getting access to build these technologies.

[@markathena4730]

State, and corporate sponsored mind control.

[@MH-ko9wc]

This is how it all ends, I assure you

[@BZackheim]

"This is our everything" is our battle cry. I love VR. I love the idea of people-centric metaverse. I hate what FB wants to do. Open source is the solution (simply speaking). We've already seen what FB can do to society. Do we really want them to dictate the digital society of the future? This is the one chance to stop them.

[@Kaparzo]

What makes you think "we" can stop them in VR space when we fail to do so IRL? For the few enthusiasts and activists, there are the masses who CBA to do anything about anything.

[@dubsmith1969]

A side note, John Carmack mentioned that if you do this Wild West thing with no centralized structure, the experience wouldn’t be as great, so there needs to be some corporation that puts things into motion. Whether it should be Facebook or not, I’m not sure.

[@FS-cs7ox]

Unfortunatly public and government doesn't understand what Facebook is preparing. Here we all know that a metaverse like ready player one or matrix will be real in a near futur and Facebook want to be the first engaged in it, like Appel for smartphones or Google for internet search. When the hardware will be ready for public, I mean easy to use even for my mom, other company will start to build there own hardware and metaverse. Metaverse will replace mobile stores which is the must important componant of the mobile sector ... Not the smartphone. So don't worry Facebook will not the only metaverse but maybe the most popular.

[@Blockistium]

_>We've already seen what FB can do to society_ This one hit too close to home...

[@DoingFavors]

@@Kaparzo I know people want to save the future of VR but that ship already sailed. These guys are going to pour billions into this project to control the virtu future right here and right now, if you think someone like Zuckerberg made this video to "entice" companies to buy into his metaverse you're dead wrong. You don't come out with something public like this unless you already hold all the cards, I'm sure he already has enough big ally companies partnered with Meta to make this happen, the video they put out is just for buzz and consumer fluff and hype, get on the band wagon or live in a separate virtu world from the rest of society.

[@ItsValXR]

I think we’re too late to revert the metaverse. I think Facebook is what’s needed to actually push this concept. But that’s why we will have a “dark web” version. The version that we have today. Where it’s all community and open source small startups. And I think we should call it the Nexus

[@west_0129]

I think #PeopleVerse Conveys what we want better I place run by the people

[@Nilloc777]

I like this it is going in the direction of snowcrash already, all we need now is a giant raft

[@C8-H8]

@@Nilloc777 lmao, anyone up to buy the USS Enterprise?

[@afallingtree9114]

It might help to host it over a similar concept to IPFS so that way we can still play with people around the world without a large company trying to take it down due to censorship, TOR would be too slow for low latency VR.

[@2yt4u.14.]

@@west_0129 a place run by mostly idiots. Pls no

[@Jeckyl72]

I have found your channel , first hands down your comment was one of the best I have found . Second I am a lot older then most of your people I think watching you’re channel and I followed the idea of a real Metaverse since back in the 80‘s when we read Books like Neuromancer then later snowcrash and so on . The idea of the Metaverse is nice , but remember there although downsides . In the past there existed the idea that big tech companies rule the future with there own security service and own rules and laws and politics only became a game of those big company’s . The game Cyberpunk 2077 reflects those roleplaying and book ideas of the 80‘s . It shows how big companies are trying to Control us . This is not an advice that every kid should become a hacker , but what I loved when hacking grew up from its early stages in the 80‘s there existed always the idea of freedom . Look at anonymous I really love this group of students and young people who question certain things I am hobby programmer and internet activist . I hope that more young people question things that those companies represent them like you and some others do . I hope that more people try to learn programming and keep an eye on data Tracking from such company’s like Facebook . Keep up your good work . I hope my commend was understandable .

[@deadwhitedragon9751]

The thing that made me super uncomfortable is at like an hour and eight minutes in, they just casually say “We indexed every item in this house” and that they use ai to figure out what you’re interested in at the moment That is way too far. No-one, not even or especially a robot, should know information like that

[@liam-ec-m595]

It's funny you bring this up, I went to close an advert earlier and one of the options for feedback was, and It took me completely off guard despite being pretty up to date with this stuff, "this advert knows too much".

[@rainypath96]

@@liam-ec-m595 @deadwhitedragon have you guys experienced mind reading ads yet

[@liam-ec-m595]

@@rainypath96 can you expand please?

[@rainypath96]

@@liam-ec-m595 I sometimes get ads for things that I've never spoken of or searched online for, only thought of in my mind. I think there could be some form of mind reading or advanced AI using my devices to target me so accurately. Some might argue that these targeted ads are so accurate due to data harvested from my internet usage but some ads are just scary. For example, you might look in the sky and think to yourself, "that is a pretty bird." and later see ads for binoculars or bird watching spots, having never searched for or spoken of these things.

[@liam-ec-m595]

@@rainypath96 oh yeah, AI can predict what we will want before we want it. Think Google have had that tech for at least a few years

[@King_GeeDora]

This is so moving and an important message. Im new to the VR community but It has had such an influence on my life that I couldn't dare to part with it now. I will most definitely be sharing this video and the message that you carry with it.

[@OpenMindArtist]

Hell yes

[@ozzyfromspace]

I'm in my 20s now, and all the trends shaping modern life absolutely terrify me. I feel for the next generation. Facebook's Meta is the most dystopian cringe-fest I've heard about in a long time 🤮💩

[@madavarams268]

exhibit 1: NFTs

[@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770]

It’s beautiful isn’t it? Instead of spending money on housing the homeless, Facebook puts resources into making a fake world so pathetic shut ins like me can ride fake roller coasters and have fake sex instead of actually meeting anyone or doing anything in real life. THE WORLD OF TOMORROW TODAY!!!

[@Arizol0013]

People said the same thing about the internet, and tvs, and cars, ect. Ultimately we have chosen to evolve again and again, and while zuck is raising a ton of red flags, humanity will overcome yet another monopoly. I urge you to embrace this future and ask yourself what it can do for you

[@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770]

@@Arizol0013 fuck the future. I’ve seen enough of it already. I don’t need some stupid metaverse to be happy, and I feel sorry for anyone who thinks they do. Go spend some time in the real world, that’s my advice.

[@Arizol0013]

@@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770 very strange logic… I’m assuming youre on KZbin to watch videos? I assume you have read a book before or watched a movie? I’m 19, you don’t know about the trip to mexico I have planned with my girlfriend, you don’t know about the complex dynamic I have with my roommate, you don’t know about my mother diagnosed with Parkinson’s, you don’t know about how much progress I’ve made mentally in the past year, progress I’ve made in relationships with my family. Do not talk down to me. The future is inevitable, change is the only constant. I think you should go spend some time in the real world, maybe you’ll see how inevitable it is

[@KaLaka16]

This was really inspiring and gave some new perspective to VR. The new virtual world that's coming is really intriguing and also really scary.

[@sj-bg4up]

I don’t get how it’s scary. Ppl will use it the same way they use phones. It’s jus convenience

[@KaLaka16]

@@sj-bg4up Yes, it's convenience with built-in spyware that spies on your every movement.

[@sj-bg4up]

@@KaLaka16 yeh idk how useful my eye tracking data will be in vr. I’ll be looking at giant monsters and shit

[@KaLaka16]

@@sj-bg4up It's surprisingly useful considering you might actually work in VR in the future. The more senses get introduced into VR such as the sense of touch and smell and heartrate monitoring etc; the amount of data mined will be insane.

[@codytdh]

I wouldn't have bought an Oculus a year ago if I'd known this was being planned. I see now that rolling those headsets out at such a great price wasn't the miracle it seemed to people like me that had wanted to try VR for years...It was Facebook secretly monopolizing the market. Now what? Tell them no and build my own?

[@snippets981]

Someone needs to.

[@somefuckstolemynick]

You could just buy one of the (many) competitor VR glasses?

[@franz.francisco]

get a vive instead, they're great

[@protoretro1290]

@@somefuckstolemynick there aren't many. Not many good ones for sure and not to mention, few countries have a single option at all. For example, where I live you have two choices. Oculus Quest or Vive Cosmos. Oculus costs more than the 60GB 2006 PS3. Vive costs as much as a computer. Or in other words. Oculus, 700 Dollars, Vive Cosmos, 1000 for the headset alone, 2000 for the headset and everything you need to use it.

[@somewhatsomething4882]

@@franz.francisco I thought you misspelt life as vive. and was thinking that definitely works. People are deluded thinking this is the path to "uploading the human consciousness" lmao... Any actually qualified or knowledgeable person not working for meta etc will tell you it's a pipe dream, a literal joke.

[@carmeister_]

I stopped using social media last year and seeing this is freaking creepy as hell. Humans beings are not meant to be staring at the screen all the time. We need face to face interaction or calling on the phone hearing an actual voice. It’s so weird

[@roscoross7797]

This is social media your commenting on....🙄

[@cometcal7387]

Isn't YT social media?

[@Ezfar1995]

ironically

[@jonathanse8977]

I found this entire vid full of awareness of anti-social/maladaptive behaviour, claiming to be against it & then attempting to re -frame it in a positive light. The whole concept of creating an escapist VR world is maladaptive & is a cry for mental health intervention. Even though many want to claim they are just fine.

[@zestomuch999]

you are currently on social media big guy

[@AeromatterYT]

Nexus is a solid name 👌 Imagine a company back in the 90s just calling themselves "Internet", ridiculous of Facebook to think they could do that now without anyone raising an eyebrow

[@CTON2022]

There’s a marketing agency in Canada called freakin’ CANADA

[@BoltRM]

@@CTON2022 OCanada would have been better

[@manp1039]

what is puzzling to me is why Apple is not in the mix with a VR headset.. or google (AKA Alphabet). I imagine they are working on some competing VR stand-alone and PCVR headsets?? Is Oculus currently a standalone corp owned by FB?? or have they been combined into one entity? We still have Valve.. I am wondering about possibly Valve being purchased by google at some point?

[@spaghetti358]

@@manp1039 I doubt that as long as Newell is still alive. The company isn't even public.

[@manp1039]

@@spaghetti358 you doubt what? you mean that Valve getting purchased? Well if he doesn't sell.. the competition will definitely be increasing. right now there is Oculus.. and other companies such as HTC and Varjo are creating their own marketplaces.. and when apple and Google jump with their own VR marketplaces.. .. well.. i guess it is still unknown what will happen.. but from what I have seen in life.. change is inevitable.

[@Jpan4]

This is "worshiping the chains that enslave us".

[@samkedwards2032]

Dude thank you so much for doing this! As I have been getting deeper into VR, I regularly think of your videos as a sort of pillar of ethics and philosophies within VR. It really fills me with hope that someone like you is using their influence for positive change and to empower us. We are all (mostly) a great community as I have come to find. Many of us have felt outsiders elsewhere and we have found a home in meeting each other in VR. Let’s continue to bear the torch!

[@styx64]

I still imagine a group of notorious hackers making everyone go through some weird vr fever dream by simply hacking their everyday lives

[@jackalenterprisesofohio]

That's why I don't like this whole "everything should be put on internet access to your phone" tech phase.

[@tonivoul1971]

So you need to use tor browser the ultimate privacy browser for your needs

[@liangarvas8139]

@@tonivoul1971 why do you sound like a ad

[@batriam5921]

"put people first" being last is the most facebook thing to ever facebook. I really hope this becomes a thing but not under "Meta"

[@hawaiidispenser]

0:47 kinda sad when the avatar looks more lifelike than the person.

[@Primius80]

I was too young to witness the beginning of the Internet, but after reading "A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace"(1996), I get the impression there was a similar sentiment to not have it ruined by a large entity. I hope you all can implement as much of your vision as possible, before the people without any imagination (large corporations and government) join and try to destroy it.

[@j3ffn4v4rr0]

It's true, there really was a strong effort by the pioneers of the Internet to keep it as open and free of "large entity" interference. Jaron Lanier also talks about this a lot...I'd really like to know what he has to say about "Meta" (imagine me doing super snarky air quotes) The piece you mention is really good, and everyone should read/hear it.....here it is, with the man himself reading it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYi2aneeiK6KiJI He was an interesting guy with deep thoughts, and fortunately there's a lot of him on YT.

[@marcnadal6389]

Why don't the Users build the Metaverse themselves? I would love to get together with a group of real VR enthusiasts that want the Metaverse to be done the right way; a way that is focused 100% around the user, not just to make an already too powerful company even more powerful.

[@blugaledoh2669]

Facebook allow user generated content.

[@TrainsTer-91]

@@blugaledoh2669 "allow" is the bad word here. A company shouldn't own the metaverse as, by definition, it isn't owned by anyone What would happen if facebook doesn't like something in the metaverse? What would happen if they wanted to manipulate people What would happen if they wanted to control everything in the metaverse.

[@blugaledoh2669]

@@TrainsTer-91 You bring good point and I agree with most of it. However who own and built the servers and infrastructure that create this metaverse (basically VRchat). It didn't can from nothing. Secondly, Facebook has to control their meta as it is their platform and they have obligation to stop harassment and cyberbulling or any other nefarious activities. When it does become overbearing is something we have to discuss. If you are concerned about data theft or manipulation, I believe we should push for data transparency and expand the freedom of information.

[@jackalenterprisesofohio]

This just sounds like internet 2.0 And we all know how internet 1.0 turned out.

[@BenCaesar]

If I know anything about corporations they will never give control away, it wouldn't make sense to. As this video suggests - people need to build a nexus for people. Trying to make meta our own won't work.

[@psychonaut1829]

"The meta verse will be for everyone and controlled by everyone" "BTW we are now called Meta"

[@sladewilson9741]

@BaxiTube Sure it is buddy.

[@eridor]

@BaxiTube The hell are you talking about? VR is only going to get bigger lol

[@radiantsquare007jrdeluxe9]

@BaxiTube a bit of an over reaction dude but cool

[@radiantsquare007jrdeluxe9]

@BaxiTube because thrillseeker is a VR news channel and not an echo chamber.

[@gorplemorple27]

@BaxiTube got it, YOU don't like ONE COMPANY, that means that VR is completely dead.

[@jums8224]

This sounds like the type of thing that will make our future a utopia for a small bit and them BAM, borderlands

[@0reo2]

The funny thing is that each vr world in sci-fi was created after the reality/politics either collapsed or failed people in other ways. Snow crash, ready player one, matrix. I do think some of the ideas are exciting, but they have to remain in the control of the people otherwise it becomes a dystopia

[@Skikopl]

I told my friend on steam: "somebody will make a compilation of mark saying Metaverse" but I didnt know THRILL himself would make it.

[@FryzleFry]

Carmack’s thrashing of Zuckerberg was fantastic. We aren’t fully there with the tech for the Metaverse. The market will speak and this iteration of the Metaverse will inevitably fail. One does not set out to create a cultural revolution. The community is the revolution. Zuckerberg cannot facilitate the Metaverse because of how disconnected he is and I truly believe this risk he is taking will be the beginning of the end of Facebooks dominance. Thanks for another killer video.

[@williamh.gatesiii8183]

What thrashing?

[@corr2143]

@@williamh.gatesiii8183 Carmack had a long speech as he does every year, he mentioned what Mike said.

[@bachelarius]

@@williamh.gatesiii8183 Take a look at Carmack's keynote at Connect. It was very much a completely unveiled "The high and mighty zuck has decreed that we must make him a metaverse, now lets see where we can steer this train wreck to make something semi-useful" sort of vibe.

[@null7198]

@@bachelarius that's a major exaggeration-- He just said "The Metaverse will be a natural occurrence-- But Mark thinks we should start building it instead" It wasn't really a thrashing, at most it was a conflict of views.

[@FryzleFry]

@@null7198 I’d call it a thrashing due to the fact that he blatantly calls out Zuckerberg for being disconnected from the user base and was fully open with his disagreements with him with little in the way of sugar coating his disagreements.

[@newguy3588]

I recall playing Cards against humanity with some people on the other side of the globe for a few hours, got some pizza, returned etc. When I logged off and took off my headset I felt so alone. It was one of the strangest and strongest experience I've felt in ages. It hit so hard. I'll never forget it. It was a realization that you weren't actually with anyone and just sitting alone in your room with a headset on laughing by yourself. It's a lot of fun, but I'd rather live alone in the woods than participate in this. It's supposed to be fun, I don't want to live and work there. That makes me sick to think about.

[@calewoolsey3944]

I was having much of the same thoughts, feelings and concerns. I just wanted to thank you Thrill for justifying and putting my own mess of anxiety into words. I do have one question though. What do we do now? You, as a KZbinr, have the power to help organize the community. So pleas tell us what we can do to help bring about a better future for VR AR and reality in general.

[@cyrnus]

We need something like the W3C for XR. An international community to establish standards to give hardware and software developers a set of standards to ensure interoperability. And then to start to integrate the systems so that we can take our avatar to a communal place or private experience and not have to worry about what hardware our friends are on

[@GW-ek8xp]

"We need something like the W3C for XR" - This is exactly what needs to happen. The internet has been wildly successful becuase it is primarily built on collection of consortium agreed protocols and standards like HTTPS, HTML, Javascript etc. In many respects what the metaverse needs to be is an extension to existing web standards, albeit with a focus on traversing 3D content in a persistant way, and handling new human interface devices.

[@channel11121]

This!

[@marcusk050291]

I was thinking the exact same while watching this. Edit: Why not start by contacting the W3C or doing some petition online to get the W3C to expand their brief to include the Nexus? Try to push them to create a branch to work on creating standards for Nexus? If enough of us voiced the desire for it, and/or starting coding or researching things that could be standards, they may take a look at it, or another consortium could be founded for it.

[@baroquedub]

Agreed. The Khronos group would be a pretty strong contender for this.

[@ValentineC137]

There's one thing I've learned about Facebook it's that you should never willingly get near anything they own or control

[@theunhappygamer1744]

I mean I hate the company but they own and control the Quest 2 and I use that willingly every single day.

[@JacobGrim]

@@theunhappygamer1744 that's the problem lol

[@slegiardryke7103]

@@theunhappygamer1744 save up money and buy a headset that doesn't support the company you hate. there's a lot of choice out there these days and if you're going the cheap route with the quest 2, well, congrats, you sold yourself.

[@JacobGrim]

@BlueWarHead some of us have lives lol. You realize that supporting a company like that is a terrible idea? From what you said it sounds like you're the impressionable sheep.

[@theunhappygamer1744]

@@slegiardryke7103 hmm.... pay three times as much just so that I can own a headset that isn't made by facebook.... let me think... umm.. nope. I think I'll just go on loving my quest 2 and hating that it is made by facebook.

[@liamshanley2665]

This video is great. Really awoke that fighting spirit in me to protect the budding virtual space from corporate greed. What do you propose we call the metaverse instead?

[@mrpotat680]

That's exactly how you pitch a concept such as the metaverse. Business 101: Dont sell the product; sell the idea of the product.

[@HallucinVIII]

Don't sell the steak, sell the sizzle!

[@TheOmegaDMM]

The current "meta" of this world has already deactivated my interest in bringing new life to this world. This content just further cements my position.

[@martinvr1394]

Thrill I couldn't have said it better. Thank you so much for conveying this sentiment. Since I actually do have an engineering background I'm looking into initiatives that will help make The Nexus an open platform. Let me know if there are ones that you would recommend in particular since I would love to help.

[@Trials_By_Errors]

Keep Liveing In Metaverse. While We Get your Money and Own your Existence.