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Veritasium

Veritasium

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@RenaudAlly
@RenaudAlly Жыл бұрын
These are literally scientific documentaries of the highest quality at this point. It's amazing that I'm able to watch this stuff for no cost at all. Thank you so much Veritasium
@geniuz4093
@geniuz4093 Жыл бұрын
@@leeroyjenkins0 revanced youtube moment, ads blocked, sponsored segments skpped automatically
@Hyperrrex
@Hyperrrex Жыл бұрын
​@@geniuz4093 yessir
@aaditya4556
@aaditya4556 Жыл бұрын
It's all thanks to Patreons and sponsors
@ddnnmo
@ddnnmo Жыл бұрын
@@leeroyjenkins0 I'm not paying time with time. Ads are not for everyone just like adblockers.
@louvierejacques
@louvierejacques Жыл бұрын
​@@leeroyjenkins0 but that's a trivial amount of time; I think the point was that there's high-quality content that's as close to free as makes no difference. You can let the ad play while you brush your teeth or watch another YT video in another tab.
@rrrfaa
@rrrfaa Жыл бұрын
I took a graduate course on p-adics in university and it felt like all I did was manipulating symbols on paper without understanding what is happening. This video finally made me understand what is going on.
@bryan200023
@bryan200023 Жыл бұрын
The essence and beauty of mathematics is to understand, and it is pretty common to find people in academia who teach soulless mathematics. Something must be done, because learning so abstract and difficult concepts without the proper background and motivation is pointless, or so I believe.
@JayCeeEmm
@JayCeeEmm Жыл бұрын
@@bryan200023 that’s something I feel I struggle with I think math is so cool but I also don’t necessarily understand the magnitude of why this kinda crazy stuff manipulating infinity is important
@BoB-Dobbs_leaning-left
@BoB-Dobbs_leaning-left Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, in NZ, P addicts result from the use of pure methamphetamine. (p = pure) But, seriously. The use of base 3 in computing is not that hard, ground, positive to ground, negative to ground. Gound being 0 to source voltage +or-.
@BoB-Dobbs_leaning-left
@BoB-Dobbs_leaning-left Жыл бұрын
@@josephvanname3377 "...can you learn more from a video on KZbin than a graduate course?" Yes. There is a difference between studying and learning.
@rrrfaa
@rrrfaa Жыл бұрын
@@josephvanname3377 the graduate course instructor and his textbook didn’t provide motivation and the geometric insight so I disliked the material back then. That’s why I didn’t pursue it anymore. It would have been better if it was presented like this.
@andy07070
@andy07070 Жыл бұрын
The level of quality in these videos is sublime. You never insult the audiences, by not going as deep as is required. Excellent work as always
@SOC-
@SOC- Жыл бұрын
Its interesting to think of lack of depth as an insult. Why would this be so?
@andy07070
@andy07070 Жыл бұрын
@@SOC- Perhaps insult was not the ideal word to use. What I meant to say is that he goes deeper than alot of similar content creators, which I find enjoyable.
@SOC-
@SOC- Жыл бұрын
@@andy07070 yea I enjoy the depth as well, especially now as it is so easy to use A.I to make content.
@rohangeorge712
@rohangeorge712 Жыл бұрын
what a mature comment section
@MathsMadeSimple101
@MathsMadeSimple101 Жыл бұрын
Yo Andy, remember me?
@ska4dragons
@ska4dragons Ай бұрын
Thank you for helping me understand p-adic numbers. Ive come across them before, but never has it been anywhere near this clear and digestible.
@LeoLeahy
@LeoLeahy Жыл бұрын
As an engineer and video editor, I am absolutely mind-blown by the production quality of this video. I can't even imagine the number of hours put into the editing alone. It's amazing that content like this is available for free. Not that your other videos aren't great as well, but this was something else.
@gwynsea8162
@gwynsea8162 Жыл бұрын
I don't know what income 2.2m views on youtube achieves... do you?
@g0plus00balls
@g0plus00balls Жыл бұрын
the video editing has been done by AI tho...?
@baadlyrics8705
@baadlyrics8705 Жыл бұрын
1000 views are about one dollar but that depends heavily on how advertiser friendly the content is.. this channel prolly gets way more than one dollar per 1000 views but lets calculate it with 1 dollar to stay on the safe side.. so 2200000 / 1000 = 2200 dollars. But like i said, its prolly more like 3 or 4 k. But the big money isnt in views, the big money is in sponsorships.. for a standard 60 seconds sponsorship on this kind of video and channel the sponsor prolly pays in the ballpark of 10k-50k or so for it. Should be about 10 - 50 dollars per 1000 views from a sponsor.. so in this case if we calculate with 15 bucks times 2200000 / 1000 that would be 33000 dollars but could be quite a bit more for this good of a channel thats very advertiser friendly
@SamBorgman
@SamBorgman Жыл бұрын
@@gwynsea8162 1 million is $1k. But it massively fluctuates seemingly randomly. Big channels make lot more money in other ways than they make from YT ad revenue.
@m9jbhakar
@m9jbhakar Жыл бұрын
its done by python software named "manim". i also made these type of videos to teach my students basic operations.
@imtiazsameer28
@imtiazsameer28 Жыл бұрын
My Granddad used to play P-adics numbers game with me. He started by asking me to write any random numbers before decimals and he used to write his random numbers below them, And sum of them always comes Zero. His techniques and methodology amazed me and fascinated to learn More Math. Miss you Granddad ! And Thank you Veritasium for this Video
@JM-us3fr
@JM-us3fr Жыл бұрын
That's a brilliant way to inspire an early fascination! I'll have to remember this one
@Benjamin-od8od
@Benjamin-od8od Жыл бұрын
May he rest in peace
@lightningbeatbox5410
@lightningbeatbox5410 Жыл бұрын
honestly W grandad
@Anistuffs
@Anistuffs Жыл бұрын
Your grandparents may be cool, but they will never be teaching-p-adic-numbers-as-a-game cool 🤯
@5678plm
@5678plm Жыл бұрын
he was reincarnated as veritasium
@ZacharyVogt
@ZacharyVogt Жыл бұрын
This video is the perfect example of encouraging the audience to rise to the level of the content (the exact opposite of talking down to the audience.) Very inspiring.
@KC-nr3ou
@KC-nr3ou Жыл бұрын
It’s comforting to me that there are people out there that understand this stuff. It’s not me…but I’m glad they exist.
@JinKee
@JinKee Жыл бұрын
Subtract the subject matter from my attention span and you get a p-atic number
@JinKee
@JinKee Жыл бұрын
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ didn't you watch the video? If you had an infinitely loving being that loved one more person it would become murderous. Explains a lot, actually.
@leif1075
@leif1075 Жыл бұрын
Wait the first part he said can't be right..yoibcantnget 1/3 by multiplyojgna bunch of numbers greater than 1 by 3. That will necessarily be much greater than 1. Why did he say this then when it's clearly wrong?
@DerekHise
@DerekHise Жыл бұрын
@@leif1075 3:26, It would be wrong if you ever stopped writing any digits to the left, but as long as that sequence of numbers is infinite, that makes all leading decimal places zero. Carrying from the one's place to the tenth's place, to the hundred's etc. are all finite operations which match your intuition. You could imagine it as "carrying the leftover numbers to the the infinite's place". --That's a bit of a non-sensical phrase since there is no infinite's place, but the point is there are no leftover that actually contribute to the finite number you get as an answer. There is no higher value decimal place that isn't just a leading zero. I'm not sure if it is "technically" legal for our most common number system to even mix an infinity (...666667) with a finite (3), but if you accept that premise and follow along with him anyways, it actually shows how you can discover a new number system which acts as a NEW self consistent mathematical model with amazing implications and practical applications.
@EthanRoseKuntz
@EthanRoseKuntz Ай бұрын
3:30 Nope, I can’t let my concept of reality break anymore. I’m sure this is a great video and maybe I’ll eventually watch it, but today I just want to pretend the world is real.
@aalytoks9755
@aalytoks9755 21 күн бұрын
Dont wait for the perfect moment, start living NOW
@Coppermeshman
@Coppermeshman 15 күн бұрын
Or perhaps you pretend the world is absolutely expectable when not looking at it?
@johnchessant3012
@johnchessant3012 Жыл бұрын
I don't normally think of Veritasium as a math youtuber, but with videos on Newton's calculation of pi, Godel's incompleteness theorem, discrete Fourier transform, logistic map, Penrose tiling, Hilbert's hotel paradox, and various probability puzzles, he definitely should be. I mean, this video alone (p-adic numbers, Fermat's last theorem, Hensel lifting) would be an extremely ambitious topic even for a math-focused channel, and he and Alex Kontorovich did a great job with it!
@hoogreen
@hoogreen Жыл бұрын
absolutely
@gw6667
@gw6667 Жыл бұрын
Waiting for 3B1B to pop up somewhere
@austinhamilton9444
@austinhamilton9444 Жыл бұрын
Like half of his videos are math related lol
@arnabbiswasalsodeep
@arnabbiswasalsodeep Жыл бұрын
Next-up I want him to look at parker square.
@thanatos8618
@thanatos8618 Жыл бұрын
Yeah...not math KZbinr to me, but a sleep helper KZbinr. 😂
@neerajwa
@neerajwa Жыл бұрын
I couldn't imagine someone could do a youtube video on this topic. Complete with graphics and engaging commentary. It takes a very special level of film making skill plus top notch scientific knowledge to do such a thing. I am a phd in maths. At one time sixteen years back, i was entranced by p-adics. Used to organize student level lectures on it. Slowly my interest wore off and i moved on. Thanks for reminding those days again.
@xyvazkrown8048
@xyvazkrown8048 Жыл бұрын
if you want maths topics with graphics and engaging commentary, I'd reccomend 3blue1brown
@barbarahouk1983
@barbarahouk1983 Жыл бұрын
Yes I have viewed 3blue 1brown on several topics. So wish KZbin was functioning when I was much younger. I watch now with a badly damaged brain (bacterial meningitis with 2 strokes in 2005). I follow only somewhat. I miss my capabilities prior to this event. But reaching and stretching helps loss at a slower rate.
@drewendly89
@drewendly89 Жыл бұрын
The most amazing thing is that there was no film involved ;)
@neerajwa
@neerajwa Жыл бұрын
@@drewendly89 lol ... I mean movie making, ... Writing, dialogues, camera placement, post production, editing, graphics, etc. I have great respect for people who are good at this. My efforts in this have proved to be laughing stocks. As far as I can see, Derek is an unique person who combines movie making skill with scientific aptitude to such perfection. His videos about relativistic effects of electric current are ample proof.
@simplykyle
@simplykyle Жыл бұрын
​@@rtagaming7663 could you link/give the title of that very video?
@einargs
@einargs Жыл бұрын
As someone who does computer science, it was extremely cool to suddenly make the connection to how we represent negative numbers using two's complement.
@pranavps851
@pranavps851 Жыл бұрын
I see the connection, but they are finite in length... So how does it work?
@griffinkimberly7695
@griffinkimberly7695 Жыл бұрын
​@@pranavps851 A negative number is actually represented in computers by the inverse of a number + 1 for example -3 would be 11111101. This is why signed integers can only represent half of the positive numbers that a unsigned integer can represent. You still can only represent 256 different values in 1 byte, and since half of them are negative, it goes from -128 to 127 instead. Since you invert a number to get two's complement, you can tell whether or not its negative by looking at the leftmost digit: if its 1, its a negative number, otherwise its 0 and therefore positive. The only difference between and unsigned vs signed integer is how the computer looks at that leftmost bit.
@r.c8756
@r.c8756 Жыл бұрын
@@griffinkimberly7695 I always thought it was a brilliant way to represent negatives. It also allows tons of algorithm tricks to work with positive and negative numbers in a fast and efficient way.
@leif1075
@leif1075 Жыл бұрын
@@griffinkimberly7695 what do youbmean by inverse of a number plus 1 sorry ? Why couldn't the negative of an integer in binary jist be the same as positive integer but with a negative sign? Seems clearer and more efficient to me? I'm guessing it is partly because the negstive sign means something else in binary so the computer would misinterpret it? Why don't they just change that then?
@leif1075
@leif1075 Жыл бұрын
@@griffinkimberly7695 and what donyou mean by invert a number to get two's complement? What is the complement of a number? Like negative and positive you mean? Never heard it referred to that way..
@michellesteimle9969
@michellesteimle9969 9 ай бұрын
I am taking Math 105 for teaching Math to Elementary and Middle School students and this video touched and reinforced so many concepts I have learned these last few weeks. It was exciting seeing how they are implemented.
@chaitrat.sampath4299
@chaitrat.sampath4299 28 күн бұрын
Why are p-adics needed for a high school math teacher course? Are you studying of your own interest?
@ivantolosana5594
@ivantolosana5594 24 күн бұрын
@@chaitrat.sampath4299 i think she means teaching methods. Not the actual concept in the video
@TerryBollinger
@TerryBollinger Жыл бұрын
As a computer scientist, your comparison of p-adic numbers to two's complement negative numbers was extremely helpful for getting this topic to finally "click" in my head. Thanks!
@EdwardChan.999
@EdwardChan.999 Жыл бұрын
Me too!
@raylopez99
@raylopez99 Жыл бұрын
Don't want to be negative but as a computer scientist it should all add up...
@TerryBollinger
@TerryBollinger Жыл бұрын
@@raylopez99 I _think_ that was a pun?... :)
@LuisSierra42
@LuisSierra42 Жыл бұрын
@@raylopez99 nice
@DejiAdegbite
@DejiAdegbite Жыл бұрын
@@raylopez99 Intended pun?
@TimeBucks
@TimeBucks Жыл бұрын
Thanks for bringing this amazing topic to us
@urdungburdung
@urdungburdung Жыл бұрын
übernyusiiiiii
@neelamopm
@neelamopm Жыл бұрын
Nice video
@AHSiyam-mb7th
@AHSiyam-mb7th Жыл бұрын
👌👌👌
@MuhammadRiaz-ys3pd
@MuhammadRiaz-ys3pd Жыл бұрын
Very nice
@RB-bx6je
@RB-bx6je Жыл бұрын
​@@neelamopm 15:50
@jessejustice454
@jessejustice454 Жыл бұрын
I can’t focus for 5 mins at school but can watch a full 30 minutes video from you no problem
@m-a-s-e-y
@m-a-s-e-y Жыл бұрын
Lol
@kexerino
@kexerino Жыл бұрын
This is something you choose to do, school isn't
@mirupikachu8505
@mirupikachu8505 Жыл бұрын
Prob because you knows that you're gonna learn smth that you actually wants to know about, rather than listening to random shits that your teacher's gonna teach you ;-;
@qpSubZeroqp
@qpSubZeroqp Жыл бұрын
It's probably all the answers before and also probably because this channel has a better teacher than the one at your school. I felt the same when I was in school as well and realized that quite a few of my teachers were just not right for me
@saurabhkumarsingh3986
@saurabhkumarsingh3986 Жыл бұрын
You can't . This 30 video was uploaded 10 mins ago, and clearly you didn't watch it for 30 minutes before coming to the comments, ie lost your focus .
@zkesong
@zkesong Ай бұрын
5:33 in coding we sometimes use -1 as infinity
@greatjojek
@greatjojek Жыл бұрын
Fascinating topic! I am so glad it got more traction. Fun fact, some p-addic systems have really interesting properties. For example in 5-addic the number: …04340423140223032431212 Multiplied by itself gives: …4444444444 Which is a representation of -1 (add 1 to it and you get 0). This means that 5-addic system has the sqrt(-1), the imaginary unit, in it!
@QuantSpazar
@QuantSpazar Жыл бұрын
This works whenever p is 1 mod 4
@user-rx3ny9ji8i
@user-rx3ny9ji8i Жыл бұрын
@@QuantSpazar Ho so for 5, 13, 17 etc - addic number this can happen because those mod 4 = 1 ? Really great tidbit. I didn't even though it would have been generalized already
@QuantSpazar
@QuantSpazar Жыл бұрын
@@user-rx3ny9ji8i I proved that for fun, it's very simple actually, you can check that if you have an expansion...a2a1a0 that squares to -1, by computing the first digit of the square, that a0 squares to -1 mod p, so that -1 is a square mod p (which is exactly when p is 1 mod4). Then to prove that it always work you can build (an) by induction
@justanotherman1114
@justanotherman1114 Жыл бұрын
You would be interested to know about Hensel's lemma then. In p-adic situation, it would imply that for most polynomials, a root in p-adics would exist if it exists mod p. In your example, you were finding the root of x^2+1 which is possible mod 5 so a 5-adic root exists.
@theodoreastor3443
@theodoreastor3443 Жыл бұрын
@@user-rx3ny9ji8ii would encourage you to look at fermat’s theorem on the sum of two squares.
@manOmanyTrades
@manOmanyTrades Жыл бұрын
Bravo! You covered in 30 minutes what took me semesters to master in my youth. I am totally inspired.
@MathsMadeSimple101
@MathsMadeSimple101 Жыл бұрын
You mastered this in your youth? You're a genius!
@CyclingGeo
@CyclingGeo Жыл бұрын
I’m a geologist so my maths is questionable at best. I find it utterly fascinating how well I can follow along with this, yet still be completely bewildered and confused.
@trout3685
@trout3685 Жыл бұрын
It makes you feel like your learning but it's basically entertainment because you will forget anything about it the next day.
@CyclingGeo
@CyclingGeo Жыл бұрын
@@trout3685 well with my adhd, I essentially forget the previous sentence because I’m having such a hard time following.
@Prawnsly
@Prawnsly Жыл бұрын
@@CyclingGeo Do you remember leaving either of these comments several hours later? I'm here to remind your brain
@Monsux
@Monsux Жыл бұрын
@@CyclingGeo Derek might say we're not visual learners, but I can see the infinity triple cylinders in my head. It's stuck there forever in endless loop to remind this video topic. No idea how to use this knowledge, since this whole video was like a rocket engineer teaching a toddler how to build a hypothetical navigation system. But give me an endless pile of cylinders, and I'll build stacks of 0, 1, 2.
@michaelwesten4624
@michaelwesten4624 Жыл бұрын
yeah because you probably finished 12 years of school and didn't get shot in the process
@mandelbraught2728
@mandelbraught2728 Ай бұрын
I not only finally understand p-adics a little bit but I understand much more now the astonishing leaps of thought that it took to come up with this stuff. Yet another absolutely fantastic video, Derek!
@Pyrozoid
@Pyrozoid Жыл бұрын
I'm jealous that Derek gets a personal lecture from such an amazing mathematician.
@lonestarr1490
@lonestarr1490 Жыл бұрын
I had the pleasure of meeting Alex Kontorovich in person several times by now, on conferences and a summer school. Had 2 or 3 chats with him. As far as I can tell, he really is like he comes across in these videos. And he gives the best talks, by a long shot, even when they're intended for a professional audience and not for a general one like in this video. He has a way of conveying his enthusiasm that is truly unique and exhilarating. It fills you up with passion, like you have to go and prove some theorems, now! What an awesome guy, really.
@nitinsharma7947
@nitinsharma7947 Жыл бұрын
@@lonestarr1490 Now, he'll be jealous of you too:)
@VoteScientist
@VoteScientist Жыл бұрын
An operation that only works in base 10 is not Mathematics it's just Arithmetic.
@Celestial.Experiences
@Celestial.Experiences Жыл бұрын
we are too since he's credited as coauthor of the video :)
@lonestarr1490
@lonestarr1490 Жыл бұрын
@@nitinsharma7947 That was the intention behind telling him, lol.
@meep7895
@meep7895 Жыл бұрын
learning about math without the pressure of college is pretty nice. i still feel completely lost after a certain point but the crushing pressure of needing to pass the class and putting stress on myself doesn't exist
@BradyPostma
@BradyPostma Жыл бұрын
I think that financial pressures have changed the college experience from an exploration of the full wonder of truth into a race to the narrow, utilitarian set of truths prescribed by the heartless needs of the employer class. I don't want to be a machine for some owner's wealth accumulation. I want to explore the beauty of truth for its own sake.
@hassassinator8858
@hassassinator8858 Жыл бұрын
@@BradyPostma This is a better description of "escaping the matrix" than anything else I've heard.
@PMA_ReginaldBoscoG
@PMA_ReginaldBoscoG Жыл бұрын
Just what I have been thinking about for a long time; Thank you for sharing your opinion to the world ❤
@alexpetrovich85
@alexpetrovich85 Жыл бұрын
The ChatGPT stuff will defiantly help in Pedagogy/Teaching even at high levels; it's like having a pocket TA.
@jorymil
@jorymil Ай бұрын
So much of college is about time and financial constraints. You only have so much time to teach/take a class when everyone needs to be in the same room, and the instructor/assistants only have so much time to grade. Students need relatively quick feedback on their work, which isn't always easy to give when dealing with complicated problems. Life, however, almost always comes with time constraints attached, so imposing _some_ structure is a must. Financially, it costs more than ever to go to college as income inequality rises. I think community colleges and a hybrid online/in-person model will be the future. The UK has had the Open University for decades, but the USA has been very slow to catch on. My personal preference would be to have standardized tests for various subjects, then study for them in groups at my own pace: this is how professional certification works, for example. You have to show mastery of all of the material at test time, so you have to study quickly enough to keep most of it fresh in your mind.
@Reinturtle
@Reinturtle Жыл бұрын
This is quite possibly the best explanation of p-adics that has ever been given. Amazingly done!
@DianeRapa
@DianeRapa Ай бұрын
This video blew my mind. As a middle-school French student, I haven't seen this type of math before, and I'm not sure to totally understand what is going on with that... But this video is amazing. The explanations feels simple, but are keys to comprehend much more complex problem. Great work, Veritasium ! 😀
@xnossisx5950
@xnossisx5950 Жыл бұрын
By the way, if you're wondering about the solution that comes from (2, 0), you end up getting ...111112, which is just our first solution, -1/2, plus 1, which is just 1/2. Since all of the xs in the equation are raised to an even power, this solution works in about the same way as the one shown in the video.
@inventorbrothers7053
@inventorbrothers7053 Жыл бұрын
Oohhh I was wondering about the (2,0) one. Thanks!
@leonro
@leonro Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I sort of figured it's the complement of (1,0) given that we're working with squares and 1 and 2 are complements in base 3, but it's nice to see a confirmation of that.
@lonestarr1490
@lonestarr1490 Жыл бұрын
So are those the only rational solutions to the equation in question? I assume not (or unknown).
@Aurril
@Aurril Жыл бұрын
@@lonestarr1490 I would assume that if you use other values for p (5, 7, 11, ...) you get other (possibly infinite) solutions.
@xnossisx5950
@xnossisx5950 Жыл бұрын
OK, so upon expanding the full equation, the only part that doesn't get removed due to the modulus is 2mnx + n^8 + n^4 + n^2 = 0 mod 3m (where the original equation is rewritten in terms like (n+mx)^2,4,8). Unfortunately, it seems that the reason why this formula always works when x is equal to one is very complex, since it seems to depend on how the specific forms of n (like 1, 4, 13) and m (the powers of 3) interact with the modulus. Fortunately, I think that equation that we get for all of the digits (after the first) only has one solution (it's a linear equation, and the coefficient of 2mn means that it only "loops" through the modulus once x goes over 3 and becomes too large to make sense), so it's probable that these are the only solutions (besides 0).
@kaisoep
@kaisoep Жыл бұрын
I used to hate math class in school because I didn't understand it and there was a lot of pressure from teachers to perform well. Now I'm done with school and willfully watch videos about complicated math and enjoy it so much. It is genuinely so interesting to watch these videos, even if I don't understand every single thing. My mind was blown like 20 times throughout this video and my view on math has been turned completely upside down.
@sambhavmirajgaonkar2984
@sambhavmirajgaonkar2984 Жыл бұрын
You like it because you are not going to get tested.
@BenjaminGoldberg1
@BenjaminGoldberg1 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact, children who were poorly educated in math have a tendency to become adults who make bad financial decisions. It's almost as if money is made out of numbers or something.
@loganvollmin6857
@loganvollmin6857 Жыл бұрын
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ Bot
@ax14pz107
@ax14pz107 Жыл бұрын
​@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ no thanks. I'd prefer my children not being raped.
@MrBrineplays_
@MrBrineplays_ Жыл бұрын
​@@BenjaminGoldberg1I best guess is that they use their money for wants and not needs. They don't compute their money so they just buy and buy till they discover that they're too late to pay their debt
@modern-piano-arrangements
@modern-piano-arrangements Жыл бұрын
The quality of these videos is insanely high. Thank you very much!
@zkesong
@zkesong Ай бұрын
1:30 guessing p-adic
@manas_misra2011
@manas_misra2011 Ай бұрын
You guessed correctly good job
@Sirlacran-z6f
@Sirlacran-z6f 9 күн бұрын
Can someone explain
@pakarnpahulo6863
@pakarnpahulo6863 Жыл бұрын
Very informative, packed with information that can be connected to High School Mathematics. Not only that, It also provide that many things are not crazy, we're just not used to it. Thanks!
@solomon8273
@solomon8273 Жыл бұрын
Wow big donation haha. Good for you bro💯
@Cris_Formage
@Cris_Formage Жыл бұрын
​@@solomon8273it's not dollars
@lion714wla7
@lion714wla7 Жыл бұрын
​@SilverVibes898no what
@thierryfaquet7405
@thierryfaquet7405 Жыл бұрын
@@Cris_Formage it’s 3 usd
@aaronfactor6838
@aaronfactor6838 Жыл бұрын
I studied this in my teaching program. We did this to better help us understand the “Why” in math. So many steps in math we just are taught and accept, but many people can’t understand the actual mathematical reasoning that allows us to complete that step. We studied different math operations in various bases to quite literally re-teach ourselves math. We even used symbols instead of numbers. It was a very eye opening experience.
@_-FreePalestine-_
@_-FreePalestine-_ Жыл бұрын
That sounds so cool
@aaronfactor6838
@aaronfactor6838 Жыл бұрын
@@_-FreePalestine-_ my professor called it “Martian math”. We used symbols in place of numbers that went in a specific operation just as our numbers system in base 10 would. This way we had no prior knowledge to scaffold learning with and it was as if we were children getting exposed to numbers for the first time
@aaronfactor6838
@aaronfactor6838 Жыл бұрын
@@floppathebased1492 sorry for my poor explanation. We first learned how to do the various orders of math operations using different bases I.e. multiplication addition division. After that, she removed the numbers completely and instead used a random order of symbols and shapes likes triangles with slashes, then a star,etc. the point was that each of our numbers is itself a system that we have to learn and rely on. I want to say we were using base seven and she had 6 different Symbols before they’d move place value and repeat like our traditional number system. I hope that makes more sense and sorry for the confusion.
@tecategpt1959
@tecategpt1959 Жыл бұрын
I'm currently on that journey of learning the "why" in math. Like for example I tried explaining to my gf how we can put - * - = + But in a real life example and God that was difficult to do lol. I've tried looking online and all I got were proofs. But the best example I've gotten so far was. Suppose you record someone walking, you're using a tape player to capture the footage. You allow that tape to play forward, person walks forward (+) You then reverse that tape (-) Person walking forward (+) Now walking backward(-) Now allow that person walking backward (-) Play the tape backward again (-) Person walks forward (+). I have no other examples but a tape player really because I've never known an object to be "negative". I feel like negative numbers exist in 4 Dimensional objects and time is one of them. Which is why we can sort of have the power to "control time" by recording footage and playing it back
@murtagh233
@murtagh233 Жыл бұрын
@@aaronfactor6838 hey very late comment lol but is there any chance you have some pointers for what you are talking about somewhere online? Or in a book or something? Or at least least similar?
@msftphil
@msftphil Жыл бұрын
I have a BS in math and computer science, and in one video you found a point of intersection for the last 20+ years of my working life. Awesome.
@play005517
@play005517 Жыл бұрын
isn't cs a subset of math
@nicbajito
@nicbajito Жыл бұрын
​@@play005517😂😂 As fields yes, as origins yes off course(this video with 2 adic and 10adic), as careers not necessarily correct but the deeper u go the more math u need.
@seraphina985
@seraphina985 Жыл бұрын
@@nicbajito Is it pure math or does CS cover some aspects of the physics also? When it comes to building a computer math is the goal and physics is the method so surely the science of computation is the interface of these fields. Hell these days even classical computers need to factor quantum mechanics into their design because we are constructing systems at a near quantum scale and trying to engineer a product that behaves consistently with classical mechanics.
@nicbajito
@nicbajito Жыл бұрын
@@leeroyjenkins0 Ye, developers would be in maths for you. Still exists exception on computer science that dont need math or more math than school.
@Snowflake_tv
@Snowflake_tv Жыл бұрын
@@play005517 Yes
@abc13570
@abc13570 17 күн бұрын
The cylindrical representation just blew my mind, and it all made sense.... Hats off to you sir .. This is better than a 1000 pedantic textbooks... You are doing Gods work !!
@amishbhavsar1136
@amishbhavsar1136 Жыл бұрын
The style of explaining such a complex topic with amazing animation is mind blowing. Kudos to Derek and the Veretasium team
@knotwilg3596
@knotwilg3596 Жыл бұрын
I did my master thesis on the p-adic gamma function. I expect to see p-adics on 3Blue1Brown's channel but not here, so it was a pleasant surprise. Interesting how you postponed the metric, which is how we traditionally start, and first showed us some actual number theory problems that can be solved with p-adics. The visualisations are top notch. The p-adic space is so counterintuitive that it dearly needs such representations to stick into one's mind. Well done!
@gmaxwell
@gmaxwell Жыл бұрын
I think it's a problem of mathematical education that we weigh people in definitions without motivation, but it's challenging because its so hard to motivate a problem when you don't already have a complete definition. Teaching someone is like trying to build a ship in a bottle-- you have to assemble the idea in their mind through a narrow opening. The best techniques to teach an idea are themselves breakthroughs, and we have far more things to teach than just those things that we know how to teach well.
@CdFMasterVideo
@CdFMasterVideo Жыл бұрын
Can I just say how much I love that you kept the same background music and outro animation for all theses years? One can get lost through life then come back to this channel years later and still feel at home. It's an underrated quality.
@umairhusain8174
@umairhusain8174 Жыл бұрын
I was deeply fascinated with maths in my younger days, a subject I excelled in and genuinely loved. I went on to become an engineer and now I build software for a living. But every time I come across videos like these, there's this regret, making me wonder why I ever left the beauty of mathematics behind :') Thanks man for making these videos
@codebrick
@codebrick Жыл бұрын
It's never too late! I'm in school right now so that once I have my degree I can take classes that interest me. Some of those are going to be mathematics classes.
@rinzler_d_vicky
@rinzler_d_vicky Жыл бұрын
As a software engineer, I agree with you. Sometimes I want to just whip out the pen and paper and start refreshing on calculus and go into these deeper concepts and ditch my depression generator machine.
@amandaandrade7777
@amandaandrade7777 Жыл бұрын
@@rinzler_d_vicky eu queria exatamente o contrário. Deixar esses números de lado e ter um emprego como engenheira de software
@thewhitefalcon8539
@thewhitefalcon8539 Жыл бұрын
capitalism is why
@niklas6882
@niklas6882 Жыл бұрын
@@thewhitefalcon8539 at least in my country, math majors have one of the highest income expectations
@cogspace
@cogspace Жыл бұрын
This is weirdly similar to the way computers (typically) encode negative integers using 2's complement notation, where ...1111 (in binary) is how you represent -1. In computers this works because you run out of bits eventually and the carry gets thrown away. That's functionally the same as the digits just going on forever, so computers are kind of using 2-adic integers. Neat!
@BerndTheBrick
@BerndTheBrick Жыл бұрын
I know that computers use negative numbers like that. But now I understand why it works.
@xilefx
@xilefx Жыл бұрын
that what I was thinking and I don't get any of this actually - happy to see my unconcious getting it
@pifdemestre7066
@pifdemestre7066 Жыл бұрын
yes, that works the same way (although on computer you are generally limited to 32 bits or 64 bits)
@shark3D
@shark3D Жыл бұрын
that's what I said! this reminds me of the fast square root solution! its almost like a p-adic solution in constrained bit depth
@lightinthedarkd
@lightinthedarkd Жыл бұрын
Who would have thought that overflow errors exist in real life 😅
@JonathanAdamsphd
@JonathanAdamsphd Жыл бұрын
These math + history videos continue to be your very best work. Thank you - I learned a lot!
@wojciechmiler5017
@wojciechmiler5017 Ай бұрын
I am drunk and i am trying very hard to understand what is he saying
@tuguldurmimi
@tuguldurmimi Ай бұрын
Im trying to sleep and same
@pag4015
@pag4015 17 күн бұрын
i’m on molly
@austinseph1
@austinseph1 15 күн бұрын
I'm sober, it's not the drugs it's just us.
@Lemon_Head_2004
@Lemon_Head_2004 5 күн бұрын
I am sober and trying to understand what he’s saying.
@jaswantk917
@jaswantk917 Жыл бұрын
As a Maths graduate, I really appreciated this being taught so well. I remember learning them for the first time and they looked so counter-intutive at that time.
@korigamik
@korigamik Жыл бұрын
If you don’t mind me asking, what do people do after they graduate with a degree in mathematics. What will your work in the job be?
@leyasep5919
@leyasep5919 Жыл бұрын
Why even bother with intuition in maths ? 😀
@ArawnOfAnnwn
@ArawnOfAnnwn Жыл бұрын
@@korigamik Anything from math research to biology research to investment banking. The last pays more of course. You'll find expertise in math is desired in all sorts of places. There's even math used in the art world, like for image reconstruction.
@edwardsong5199
@edwardsong5199 Жыл бұрын
@@korigamik If you graduate with undergraduate maths degree you can do almost any job. More importantly you will have enough background for a master in many subjects. However, if you wish to do pure maths further you will end up in academia.
@edwardsong5199
@edwardsong5199 Жыл бұрын
​@@leyasep5919 Intuition is very important in mathematics. They are needed for understanding old mathematics and creating new mathematics.
@IhabFahmy
@IhabFahmy Жыл бұрын
_I love the way Derek puts a decimal point to the right of the numbers he's showing. That tiny visual cue is worth its weight in gold when it comes to showing intent and aiding understanding._
@brauljo
@brauljo Жыл бұрын
It's more of a radix or fractional point since he uses more bases than just decimal.
@IhabFahmy
@IhabFahmy Жыл бұрын
@@brauljo I think he stops using it once he moves away from 10-adic (base-10) numbers.
@brauljo
@brauljo Жыл бұрын
@@IhabFahmy Virtually every base is base 10, decimal is base ten.
@Scotty-vs4lf
@Scotty-vs4lf Жыл бұрын
@@brauljo no only base 10 is base 10. what r u saying lol
@brauljo
@brauljo Жыл бұрын
@@Scotty-vs4lf All bases are base one zero.
@srivatsajoshi4028
@srivatsajoshi4028 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for not shying away from the nitty gritty calculations. Watching many of the pop science channels feels like eating a nothing burger. I don't know what I've learnt by the end of it. This video was not like that. It introduced me to a whole new concept in enough detail that I feel confident going in and researching further.
@simlee6177
@simlee6177 9 күн бұрын
This is one of the best and easiest to understand explanations of p-adic numbers that I've come across. I've watched it a number of times and am always impressed by the clarity of the presentation. Many thanks.
@poly_hexamethyl
@poly_hexamethyl Жыл бұрын
I'd heard of p-adic numbers and was vaguely familiar with their definition, but didn't know much about their motivation or applications. After watching your excellent video, I'm motivated to learn more about them.
@ultracreador
@ultracreador Ай бұрын
3:15 Algo similar pasa cuando calculas la raíz cuadrada de 51. Tiene decimales muy parecidos a 50/7.
@skwisgaarskwigelf331
@skwisgaarskwigelf331 Жыл бұрын
I'm a computer engineer. Along the duration of the video I started to relate this first to signed integer arithmetic (2's complement). After that, I heard "Fermat" and I immediately knew this was going to be about modular arithmetic and discrete mathematics (both very useful for cryptography). And finally, fractals (Sierpinski), which is also quite useful in CS. I have used all that math, but I didn't realise it in the beginning until the video progressed. They taught me "just use this to calculate that", but I really had no idea what these tools really were.
@qj0n
@qj0n Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's a bit shame though he didn't mention that every modern computer uses 2-addics to save any number...
@Michael-kp4bd
@Michael-kp4bd Жыл бұрын
Fermat, I assume you mean?
@anon5976
@anon5976 Жыл бұрын
@@qj0n That's not true. P-adic numbers extend toward infinite. Computers use finite values. There is a similarity because p-adic numbers are mod p^inf, while computers store numbers mod 2^bitwidth
@briansammond7801
@briansammond7801 Жыл бұрын
Yes, 2's complement is what I thought of, but this went into 3, 5, 7 - whatever complement, which is the p-adics.
@someonerandom704
@someonerandom704 Жыл бұрын
@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist8 in electrical engineering, there is no god
@_Shoaib
@_Shoaib Жыл бұрын
A perfect teacher can understand the pain points in the learning process and then patiently clears them out to build the intuition of learner. Great work Derek Muller.
@Alexander-dy9ob
@Alexander-dy9ob Жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more
@alessioandreoli2145
@alessioandreoli2145 10 ай бұрын
Beautiful video! I need to say that for the first time I had problems visualising the p-adic numbers.
@GameWorldRS
@GameWorldRS Жыл бұрын
This feels eerily similar to how negative numbers are stored in computers: using 2's compliment. You sort of touched on this with the 9's compliment but basically the larger the number is the closer to zero it is from the negative side. When computer memory overflows it flips from signifying the largest possible positive value to signifying the largest possible negative value. As you increase further your values become less and less negative until you overflow again (this time for real) and get back to 0. These p-adic numbers almost feel like we overflow infinity and go back to negatives / fractions.🤯
@cholten99
@cholten99 Жыл бұрын
Having a computer science background I immediately thought "the structure of universe has an integer overflow problem!"
@rationalcoder
@rationalcoder Жыл бұрын
@@cholten99 Bro me too
@GetMoGaming
@GetMoGaming Жыл бұрын
Unhandled Exception: "Mind" is missing
@sedrakpc
@sedrakpc Жыл бұрын
Also though this will eventual lead to 2’s complement arithmetic, but didn’t(
@baconthevainglorious7371
@baconthevainglorious7371 Жыл бұрын
Doesn’t it feel spiritual too? This sort of look at the numbers and take mods of numbers has been a numerology thing for as long as I’ve seen it. The whole thing where the final digits mean larger adjustments than the previous ones implies an inflection point somewhere maybe. Say a number that’s written out as 11111……11111. What could it be used for? Or one that’s -11111….1111. Would that even make sense? A “non dual” number, that is both positive and negative. Or what if we had a third sign other than +-, like # or something. I’m no expert but love thinking abt it
@davidsparrgrove9558
@davidsparrgrove9558 Жыл бұрын
As a designer and animator, I am incredibly impressed with your use of animation to enhance your storytelling. It’s only gotten better over the years. Well done!!
@throttlekitty1
@throttlekitty1 Жыл бұрын
I agree! I have to say that the little specks are very distracting, however.
@ionsilver557
@ionsilver557 Жыл бұрын
I was introduced to the concept of p-adic through Greg Egan's science fiction novel "3-adica". He used the analogy of three nests packed together, each with three smaller nests in an infinite series, which gave me an intuitive feeling, but I did not understand the arithmetic meaning behind it. It wasn't until 25 minutes into this video that it hit me, and I suddenly made the connection in my head between the infinite nest picture and the divergence of the infinite series "converging" in a finite value. Then a few seconds later, the infinite cylinder appeared almost exactly as I had just imagined. Words cannot describe how I felt at that moment, it was wonderful.
@SMA265
@SMA265 Жыл бұрын
Eureka moment?
@tux1468
@tux1468 Жыл бұрын
same lol
@Xeningem
@Xeningem Жыл бұрын
Yeah, when I read that novel I also didn't understand what's the author talking about.
@isaacmartin2026
@isaacmartin2026 Жыл бұрын
Egan usually has that effect on me. Finally understanding the weird science that foregrounds one of his stories is a rare treat.
@JuanRamos-bx9sx
@JuanRamos-bx9sx 9 ай бұрын
What an incredible introduction to p-adic numbers!!!! Thank you for your contribution!
@Stagg369
@Stagg369 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Derek and everyone that contributes to Veritasium. A shining beacon of light in the form of rationality, science education and the history that comes with it. I hope this channel and it's videos remain as fun and interesting to make for you all as they are fun for us to watch!
@christiankrause1594
@christiankrause1594 Жыл бұрын
I read bacon. Now i'm hungry. Thanks.
@aditsaini5094
@aditsaini5094 Жыл бұрын
​@@christiankrause1594 and i am thrilled
@jacobshirley3457
@jacobshirley3457 Жыл бұрын
I love how the format has changed drastically since the beginning, yet it still feels the same.
@andrewjenkinson7052
@andrewjenkinson7052 Жыл бұрын
So can we exceed the speed of light by using a different number system?
@ExternusArmy
@ExternusArmy Жыл бұрын
@@andrewjenkinson7052 no
@Eraqon
@Eraqon Жыл бұрын
Apart from the math, I LOVE your visual style! Simplistic but smooth animations at a low frame rate are eye candy. Amazing video Derek, you managed to blow my mind once again. ❤
@BradyPostma
@BradyPostma Жыл бұрын
It's amazing how smooth animation makes the ideas feel less intimidating.
@Mark_Indian
@Mark_Indian Жыл бұрын
​@@BradyPostma that's very true
@Ideeem
@Ideeem Жыл бұрын
The low framerate bugs me off lol!
@tanmaypotdar575
@tanmaypotdar575 Ай бұрын
at aeound 1:40, if u look at the numbers on the background they appear to move slow, but if you look away, they move super fast
@anything1456
@anything1456 Ай бұрын
i think you’re seeing things
@tanmaypotdar575
@tanmaypotdar575 Ай бұрын
@@anything1456 No bro, try it for yourself, 1st look at the numbers, then over Derek's left shoulder...
@boo7948
@boo7948 Ай бұрын
@@tanmaypotdar575dawg u tripping
@pratik2777
@pratik2777 Ай бұрын
you're right
@Urmomjkvictoillet
@Urmomjkvictoillet Ай бұрын
I see it
@sk8rdman
@sk8rdman Жыл бұрын
I'm kind of amazed that I've never seen this sort of thing before. I've heard of p-adic numbers and some of these related ideas in discussions around Fermat's last theorem, but I never saw an explanation for how they work. This was explained in a way that made it very approachable, and helped open my mind to a whole other way of representing and working with numbers.
@NickWestgate
@NickWestgate Жыл бұрын
Something amazing that wasn't covered is that you can write sqrt(-1) as an actual written number in these number systems. I studied a simple version of this in a second year university paper which looked at topics normally studied in later years, and I've often thought the topics would be interesting to more than just math nerds.
@jeremylassetter
@jeremylassetter Жыл бұрын
I didn’t expect to learn something so interesting today. Thank you for the exceptionally good lesson! Great job Derek!
@heldt123456789
@heldt123456789 Жыл бұрын
dweeb
@Korokun
@Korokun Жыл бұрын
I just wanna say you've managed to rekindle a bit of interest in math in me that I didn't expect. I grew up really interested in a lot of nerdy things like this, but over time I lost touch with that. Maybe I'm just feeling a certain way right now, but I want to thank you for this video.
@nicezombie8054
@nicezombie8054 7 ай бұрын
This was a really good video and editing, I had learned about p-adic numbers before but this was the best explanation I got and the one who went the deepest
@chockey4288
@chockey4288 Жыл бұрын
your animators are doing gods work, hope you pay them well :) tell them they did a great job on this video like usual. I have shared your videos with my less science inclined friends and they keep talking about how much they enjoy them and how their brain has been "hurting" keep up the great work, love what you do and am very happy you get to do it
@johnrobinson2198
@johnrobinson2198 Жыл бұрын
Your delivery of this content was absolutely sublime. You somehow took an incredibly complex topic and simplified it through examples and explanation so a relative novice can grasp it. Thankyou so much. This really made my day
@drjimisn
@drjimisn Жыл бұрын
The reference with the stars and the sun is actually a very nice analogy to Ostrowski's theorem! One way we define real numbers is by completing the rationals under the distance norm we are already used to. The theorem roughly says that the only other ways we can complete the rationals is by completing under the p-adic norms. So in the analogy, each star represents a prime number and the sun represents what mathematicians call "the prime at infinity" !
@neji7713
@neji7713 17 күн бұрын
this was mind blowing, and very well presented and explained. it definitely deserves more views.
@jkid1134
@jkid1134 Жыл бұрын
These have been a pet favorite thing of mine since they made a brief appearance on numberphile in 2015. Freshman year of college we got to do an open presentation topic, and I chose p-adics, so seeing new resources pop up to make it more approachable and common knowledge fills me with warmth. This is an interesting approach! Starting with the magic and then sort of letting the details come out of the mechanics. I started by explaining how Cauchy completeness is used to define real numbers, and then the bit about the p-adic norm, and then onto all those magical properties like fractions and negatives and diophantine equations and FLT and openness and so on in decreasing specificity, as you would expect from a math lecture. Hopefully this inspires follow-up, if not from you then from fans. They're really all introductory videos 😭
@Ull3Rnet
@Ull3Rnet Жыл бұрын
I find it interesting how a math video (which is the subject i am mostly unfamiliar with), still manages to captivate me for 30ish minutes. Keep up the good work :)
@Qualiummusic
@Qualiummusic Жыл бұрын
"How it feels to invent Math" by 3Blue1Brown already blew my mind, and this went even further 🤯 Great video, Derek!
@jtauber
@jtauber 11 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@StefanoBorini
@StefanoBorini Жыл бұрын
Something that fascinates me about math is how there's such a tight connection between people from thousands of years ago and people from today. We are still working on the same exact problems. Math is universal across culture, space and time.
@mrbgarles6724
@mrbgarles6724 Жыл бұрын
If you’ve ever read The Themis Files by Sylvia Day, this premise is a big chunk of the first book. That every species, including aliens, have to use math.
@ronald3836
@ronald3836 Жыл бұрын
In my first couple of years of high school I thought prime numbers were the stuff of ancient Greek mathematics and too frivolous for modern research. I was so happy to find out I was wrong!
@lonestarr1490
@lonestarr1490 Жыл бұрын
@@ronald3836 They kinda are a bit frivolous, though. But that makes them even more intriguing.
@BishopStars
@BishopStars Жыл бұрын
Math is discovered, not invented. The universal language.
@HeadOnAStick
@HeadOnAStick Жыл бұрын
@@lonestarr1490 They are essential to modern cryptography, upon which all secure communication and secure electronic transactions rely. So all global spycraft, military secrecy and internet commerce depend on the primes. Kind of takes the frivolity right out of it.
@artophile7777
@artophile7777 Жыл бұрын
Your math videos really are my most favorite ones. Maybe it's just something about the aesthetic of your explanation and your way of breaking down the topic bit by bit and explaining it patiently at a pace good enough to make it really enjoyable and interesting :) ∆
@MZOfficial104
@MZOfficial104 Жыл бұрын
Your comment is being stoled by bots
@artophile7777
@artophile7777 Жыл бұрын
@@MZOfficial104 Yeah it's really insane...
@MZOfficial104
@MZOfficial104 Жыл бұрын
@@artophile7777 4 big guys
@pyropulseIXXI
@pyropulseIXXI Жыл бұрын
He explains it in the same style that you would if you were majoring in this stuff. He doesn't dumb things down just to give you an illusion of understanding. This is why I enjoy his videos even though I am already familiar with the topics due to my major being physics and I also took a ton of math courses that usually only math majors take
@homeyworkey
@homeyworkey Жыл бұрын
yep hes so good at making maths digestible for people who arent even that fluent did lose my attention when the other guy started talking/drawing like this is khan academy, veritasium quality is just better idk why he went down that route
@prydin
@prydin Жыл бұрын
One of your best videos ever! I’ve tried to understand p-adics many times and hit a brick wall of complexity. Your video makes it accessible to anyone who remembers at least some high school algebra. Amazing stuff!
@EpicSucio22
@EpicSucio22 5 ай бұрын
I love how there’s always more to learn in math, from p-adic numbers, to space time, to how imaginary numbers were created, thank you for always coming up with more amazing, fascinating, inspiring, interesting content❤❤❤
@AliceYobby
@AliceYobby Жыл бұрын
If this video was made when I was 15 I would have started studying math a decade ago rather than a year ago like I did. Literally all of my largest brain-scratchiest math interests all rolled up into one beautiful video.
@TheShamansQuestion
@TheShamansQuestion Жыл бұрын
This is the kind of clarity and explanation we need in university maths classes. So much of the time we are left to our own devices to interpret the logic of abstract claims like the "size" of a number. Textbooks usually state the mathematical relation. I fully get how hard it is to describe these things conceptually to a general population but it's so useful and it makes these things appreciated more. Looking at p-adics still freaks me out and I don't quite see them as stars but I can at least see how viewing a series as a different category of number altogether makes sense for why series are used in proofs so often to break down some what simple rational number or variable. (I'm not explaining myself properly because I know the convergence of infinite sums is useful. It's more understanding how the parts inside work and what those mean, or just another way to visualise infinite series.)
@saltytriscuit896
@saltytriscuit896 Жыл бұрын
Me and the boys finding the last digit of Pi by calculating it backwards:
@KrisTheGreatest
@KrisTheGreatest 4 ай бұрын
this video feels like proof that we are in a simulation if i can find the last digit of any number
@TheSilverShadow17
@TheSilverShadow17 3 ай бұрын
​@@KrisTheGreatest Which hasn't been physically proven or has any concrete proof or evidence. The simulation theory is precisely a theory and nothing more.
@redstonehero7944
@redstonehero7944 2 ай бұрын
5:00 I never liked that proof for why 0.999999999... = 1. Imo the better proof is proving that there is no number B such that 0.99999999....
@miloszforman6270
@miloszforman6270 2 ай бұрын
That proof at 5:00 somewhat misses to mention its axiomatic foundation. It makes some implicit assumptions concerning the characteristics of arithmetic operations of such infinite digit strings. We can define "real numbers" as infinite digit strings with only finitely many digits left of the decimal point. We can then define the arithmetic operations similar to the way in which it is done in the video, by first using only finitely many digits of the operands and showing that the digits of the result don't change any more at some point if more and more digits of the operands are involved. We would still have to prove that the laws of associativity and distributivity are really valid if we use this kind of definition. Which might be a bit cumbersome for this definition, and it is certainly not done in schools when they present this "proof". Actually, we find out that associativity is _not_ guaranteed if we don't identify some differing strings, like 0.999... and 1.000... Using the standard adding algorithm, we have 0.999... + 0.999... = 1.999... and 1.999... - 0.999... = 1 "Standard" meaning that we use the same number of digits of both operands for our intermediate results. And the law of associativity tells us: (0.999... + 0.999...) - 0.999... = 1.999... - 0.999... = 1 = 0.999... + (0.999... - 0.999...) = 0.999... + 0 = 0.999... Using the concept of "limits" (like you are proposing) is more straight forward in a way, as the identity 0.999... = 1 is conspicuous. Unfortunately, very many people who had quit mathematics after grade 10 don't have the slightest clue about this (and the other ones have forgotten). So popular-science articles and videos usually hesitate to talk about "limits".
@Strakester
@Strakester Ай бұрын
I like this explanation: "In math, we define the sum of an infinite series equal to the number that it approaches, but never reaches. No matter how many 9s you write after that decimal point, you'll never reach 1. But since you are converging on the limit of 1, we say that the expression is equal to 1. That's just how limits are defined; deal with it. "
@miloszforman6270
@miloszforman6270 Ай бұрын
@@Strakester _"we define the sum of an infinite series equal to the number that it approaches, but never reaches"_ That's an unsuitable restriction, because we want to have series containing an end sequence of only zeroes to converge as well. Or series like 1 - 1 + 1/2 - 1/2 + 1/4 - 1/4 + 1/8 - 1/8.... This last one reaches the limit intermittently. Also, we have to define the concept of a limit and "convergence" thoroughly. Many students have difficulties understanding this in school. Apart from that, I think it's desirable to have a merely algebraic definition of "decimal numbers" and their operations.
@newwaveinfantry8362
@newwaveinfantry8362 Ай бұрын
So in other words, you prefer analysis over algebra.
@jasonmartin357
@jasonmartin357 Жыл бұрын
I’ve only completed up to 12th grade math classes, but I’ve always been extremely fascinated with math theorems and rules that I’ve never heard of. It literally fuels my brain to learn about the ever-growing world of numbers.
@fauge7
@fauge7 Жыл бұрын
Take classes at a community college if your interested, higher level maths are more theoretical if you apply them. Discreet math, and linear algebra include mostly simple concepts yet are used across computer science
@IanRobinett
@IanRobinett Жыл бұрын
Derek, you have literally been the person teaching me the most since I found KZbin. Shortly after is Destin at SmarterEveryDay, but you two give me more knowledge than I've ever wanted in so many fields. I HAAAAATE most of the subjects you cover on the surface, but when you break them down into applicable and project-oriented and realistic applications, it makes me realize my disdain for things like Mathematics and Science, is because of the academic application, versus what it means in real life. You two are truly those who have expanded my mind to forget my hatred for the academia part, and realize that it can directly apply to the "fun stuff" as well. I guess it proves the difference between "AP" and "GT" students... Same intelligence, just different applications. Regardless, this video was amazing, and thank you for the visual and practical applications.
@jacksauser689
@jacksauser689 Жыл бұрын
This is hands down this greatest video produced on this channel, a channel which consistently provides great content, and I implore all to take the time to understand and get a grasp of the math explained. To make a video suitable for millions of people there takes a little bit of finesse but if you can really try to understand that is being taught
@King-sd5vg
@King-sd5vg 9 ай бұрын
Type of roller coaster is this video. Bro had literally had me going like I have no idea whats going on, and then BOOM the computer science nerd in me remembered the counting systems like binary and then it clicked and broke my brain. I love this sort of dopamine hit!
@joshuastucky
@joshuastucky Жыл бұрын
As a number theorist myself, this was quite a good exposition. Excellent job!
@mrigendrajha2690
@mrigendrajha2690 Жыл бұрын
That just sounds so cool as a profession
@weknowitistrue
@weknowitistrue Жыл бұрын
I admire your work Sir. I have seen your articles.
@joshuastucky
@joshuastucky Жыл бұрын
@@damondeleon5115 What do you mean, "at the front"? The numbers agree to arbitrarily many digits from right to left (simply do the standard multiplication step enough times). Since we can make these numbers arbitrarily close just by doing more operations, we say that they are the same.
@joshuastucky
@joshuastucky Жыл бұрын
You can think of the new number as the limit (in the calculus sense) of doing more and multiplication steps as the number of steps tends to infinity.
@joshuastucky
@joshuastucky Жыл бұрын
@@damondeleon5115 without going into all the details here, every "infinite" calculation done in the video can be made rigorous and precise using limits and some ideas from calculus.
@emilogoej
@emilogoej Жыл бұрын
I love when you make a pure math episode and I love that I knew the voice of your mathematician firend before we saw his face. He is so good in these videos. His enthusiasm is infectious.
@Clover298
@Clover298 Жыл бұрын
“This feels even crazier than negative numbers or square roots of negative number” “Thats cause they’re less familiar” I love this quote
@zkesong
@zkesong Ай бұрын
6:18 so is the number line a circle?
@eoyenh
@eoyenh Ай бұрын
thats interesting
@aryavartmishra7589
@aryavartmishra7589 Ай бұрын
I've thought about this a lot an year ago. I've have still got the journal entries explaining why this might be true. We can talk about it if you want
@OnlyTwoShoes
@OnlyTwoShoes Ай бұрын
It's a sphere, because the numbers circle positive and negative positions infinitely.
@dtar380
@dtar380 22 күн бұрын
@@OnlyTwoShoes that would apply if you include imaginary numbers, but the Reals are just a line, they are one dimensional. So they would be a circumference
@OnlyTwoShoes
@OnlyTwoShoes 22 күн бұрын
@@dtar380 Why would squares of a negative be needed for a sphere?
@orewauchihamadarades
@orewauchihamadarades Жыл бұрын
Veritasium explains mathematics even better than channels that are dedicated to maths and exam tips. He introduces us with the history, proof, experts, pleasant background score, great visualization and definitely Derek's great skill of educating. Keep going on, sir.
@armanigenes
@armanigenes Жыл бұрын
i mean he has a way higher budget and bigger production team and influence
@epicmarschmallow5049
@epicmarschmallow5049 Жыл бұрын
Channels dedicated to maths don't need to motivate people with history, presentation or a score because they know their viewers are inherently interested in the mathematics. This isn't the case with Veritasium
@Amaraticando
@Amaraticando Жыл бұрын
​@@armanigenes we have to admit that Derek has talent for those explanations, budget and animations aside.
@orewauchihamadarades
@orewauchihamadarades Жыл бұрын
@@epicmarschmallow5049 Well that makes him even better than them in a way. Doing extra factors good make the overall explanation amazing. This way, people less interested in maths, get interested towards it. In the end, I think the golden gift of maths should be enjoyed by everyone. And Derek's presentation succeeds in it.
@afroohar
@afroohar Жыл бұрын
It's been a while since a topic in mathematics captured my imagination so much. There is something about the p-adics that feels wrong, but also something that feels so compelling and so deep. What a wonderful introduction and brilliantly done.
@SunnyKimDev
@SunnyKimDev Жыл бұрын
At around 6:13 I thought '....wait i know this, this is how negative integers get represented in binary!' it feels awesome actually seeing the buildup and knowing how this particular math gets used in real life beforehand
@bolicob
@bolicob Жыл бұрын
Ah I thought it sounded familiar
@dagmarski4133
@dagmarski4133 Жыл бұрын
Except that’s not how negative numbers are represented in binary. Computers read the first bit of a binary number as the sign. A first bit of 0 is a positive number and a first bit of 1 is a negative number. Also it would be a bit difficult to store infinitely long numbers in a computer. Edit: I’m wrong don’t mind me, apart from the first bit computers indeed use a similar fashion to store negative numbers.
@Miaumiau3333
@Miaumiau3333 Жыл бұрын
​@@dagmarski4133 Negative integers are usually represented in a very similar fashion to what is shown in the video, look up "Two's complement". Of course you can't store infinitely many digits, but the rough idea is the same.
@Eon_TAS
@Eon_TAS Жыл бұрын
​​@@dagmarski4133 it is how signed binary digits are stored, it's known as 2s complement, and is specifically used for that thing of the fact subtracting is the same as adding the negative value. Negative one in binary is 11111111 for however many bits you store a number in, using the fact that you can ignore the digits higher than your highest bit to avoid the fact it's not infinitely long.
@theblinkingbrownie4654
@theblinkingbrownie4654 Жыл бұрын
​@@dagmarski4133It's not exactly how, yes, but it's very similar which is what they meant. Also who doesn't love the fact that you can add 'negative numbers' to get the answer
@TheKids422
@TheKids422 Ай бұрын
Awesome video, you really are one of the top engineers!
@dcterr1
@dcterr1 Жыл бұрын
Wow, fantastic video! Although I have a PhD in number theory, I never really understood p-adic numbers that well, but this video clarified them for me tremendously! They're very counterintuitive, yet very useful!
@dcterr1
@dcterr1 Жыл бұрын
@Divergent Integral OK, I'll check that one out. Thanks for the recommendation!
@veltongoodenjr
@veltongoodenjr Жыл бұрын
You've got to be doing something right when I was absolutely surprised when the video had ended, and I was longing to know more. I'm by no measure a "math person", and yet I was able to follow along for the larger part of the video with the calculations and by means of the visualization and explanation make connections between things I've up until now had no idea were related. Had I the time, and were my goals for the future ever so slightly different, I'd probably plunge right into the world of mathematics just because of how fascinating what this revealed was. Even though, this has not in fact moved me to such extreme action, it has come rather close in that I will now forever see the mathematical concepts discussed in this video in a different way.
@tquasa07
@tquasa07 Жыл бұрын
I’m going to go into calculus for both of us, bro, wish me luck
@saadusmani78
@saadusmani78 Жыл бұрын
​@@tquasa07good luck👍👍😃, get good grades there.
@Goldslate73
@Goldslate73 Жыл бұрын
I don't think I've ever been blown away by something so small ever. I mean, I remember learning about the scales of the universe and The Poincare (excuse the spelling) theorems and structures but this.... Goodness gracious! Thank you, Derek. I'm gonna be watching this a couple more times. You nailed it.
@pepez1325
@pepez1325 Ай бұрын
This is basically whats found in binary, when you add 1 to the biggest number represented by U2 system, you get the smallest negative number represented by U2
@jovangerbscheid4619
@jovangerbscheid4619 Жыл бұрын
As a maths student, we don't learn about the p-adic numbers in any course, so I found this really interesting. Somehow you managed to explain this in a way that normal people can understand and yet is very interesting to me as a math student, Amazing!
@shoam2103
@shoam2103 Жыл бұрын
P-adics are too exotic! It's only relatively recently we're actually using them to do mathematics. It's arguably the modern equivalent of calculus. Similar to what calculus was in the Renaissance
@deathradier1299
@deathradier1299 Жыл бұрын
I’m not a genus and failed school because I never went still have a good job tho and for me I understood this very well and very interesting I wish I studied math
@gaghet1851
@gaghet1851 Жыл бұрын
There's actually something very similar to p-adics in fractal geometry. If you define an iterated function system (IFS) of n functions then you can refer to anywhere in the fractal by either a finite or infinite base n number called the address. Then you can determine the distance between addresses by defining a metric on the codespace of addresses. There's quite a bit more to it but if your interested Michael Barnsley's Fractals Everywhere is fantastic book on fractal geometry and chaos theory.
@Ceratops17
@Ceratops17 Жыл бұрын
hi I’m also still an undergrad maths student but I’m very lucky that one of my professors is actually researching padics so in the lecture about algebraic number theory we also talked about them, as said in the video they have some really interesting applications. I have to say that the video might be a better introduction into the topic than anything I heard from a professor yet
@lucianonotarfrancesco4443
@lucianonotarfrancesco4443 Жыл бұрын
You don’t learn about them in any undergraduate course? I learned about then in the first algebra course (Algebra I), we didn’t learn a lot about them at that point, but at least we were made aware of their existence at the very beginning
@kyzer42
@kyzer42 Жыл бұрын
This video blew my mind! I've seen other explanations of the p-adic numbers, but this is the one that really made the concept "click" for me. Keep up the great work!
@HasanHasan-kf4wz
@HasanHasan-kf4wz Жыл бұрын
I'm a master's student in mathematics and p-adic numbers is more or less my specialty. It's nice to look at it through fresh eyes because sometimes I forget how incredibly non-trivial these constructions are.
@bovarddt
@bovarddt 2 ай бұрын
4:15 Interesting result! I always thought .33333 was equal to a third! 😅
@miloszforman6270
@miloszforman6270 2 ай бұрын
Yes, in the standard decimal numbers, 0.3333... = 1/3. Don't forget the three dots at the right, because 0.33333 is certainly _not equal_ to 1/3. However, in the 10-adic numbers, ...33333 is equal to -1/3, and 1/3 is equal to ...66667.
@martandrmc
@martandrmc Жыл бұрын
I find it also interesting that our computers do negative numbers by exploiting a form of 2-adic numbers with a set maximum length. In effect the modulo is built right into them. The term used in the field is 2's-complement signed numbers. p-adic numbers are such an intriguing topic, thank you for covering them!
@OmegaSparky
@OmegaSparky Жыл бұрын
I came here to mention 2-s complement math as well
@lukedavis6711
@lukedavis6711 Жыл бұрын
Nice I was going to mention 2s compliment as well
@ClausB252
@ClausB252 Жыл бұрын
Some older BCD computers and calculators used 9's or 10's complement representations, like his 10-adic examples.
@MrHeroicDemon
@MrHeroicDemon Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I love the visual representation of maths, this is needed more and more. Math isn't boring, we just need more creative people to bring it visually to light. Like we do science, nilered ect.
@iau
@iau Жыл бұрын
I love that this cutting edge mathematical concept can be entirely explained using high-school level algebra. Utterly fascinating how far you can get with seemingly "easy" and "limited" tools.
@itsgonnabeanaurfromme
@itsgonnabeanaurfromme Жыл бұрын
That's how math and nearly every field of science works. You need basics and simple aspects first.
@IdentifiantE.S
@IdentifiantE.S Жыл бұрын
@@itsgonnabeanaurfrommeThats completely true ! 💯
@kerr354
@kerr354 Жыл бұрын
It isn't really cutting edge, you learn this in early number theory classes. However it is one of many pillars modern mathematics stands on. A portal into a very different but familiar universe
@epicmarschmallow5049
@epicmarschmallow5049 Жыл бұрын
So "cutting edge" that it's been around for over a 100 years and is taught to undergraduates
@d-m.n_--2
@d-m.n_--2 Жыл бұрын
Nothing you wrote in this blurb is accurate.
@theglitchnice
@theglitchnice Ай бұрын
17:24 "why not squared" 😂
@TheRepulsorCell
@TheRepulsorCell 21 күн бұрын
Why should I
@BooBar2521
@BooBar2521 20 күн бұрын
Why does he call y_0 "y not". Is this some amarican thing?
@CartpusherZ
@CartpusherZ 9 күн бұрын
I jumped here after hearing it
@elpedro7910
@elpedro7910 2 күн бұрын
​@@BooBar2521He says "y naught squared" and it is not archaic, but "y not squared" is acceptable too. I'm not sure if it's an "American thing", but it's perfectly fine in British English, too. Hope this helped.
@ryanpeck7490
@ryanpeck7490 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video! I have learned math and physics all my life and this really felt like learning about the existence of complex numbers all over again. Truly eye opening! It is so beautiful that the simple way of changing how we think of the distance between two numbers can have such ground-breaking ramifications for math and physics.
@wiener_process
@wiener_process Жыл бұрын
You can actually even construct complex p-adic numbers. It can get pretty wild.
@doomjunyu_
@doomjunyu_ Жыл бұрын
28:55 "Just cause it's less familiar" Brilliant
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