Son of Anarchy | The Steve Dangle Podcast

On this episode the Steve Dangle Podcast,
00:00 Steve talks about MLH and his attempt at being an insider
12:00 The NHL is lawless and officiating has been awful
50:00 Edmonton's incredible powerplay
57:00 Don Sweeney speaks to the media about officiating
1:03:00 Carolina avoids a sweep against New York
1:17:00 Vancouver takes a 2-1 lead over Edmonton
1:35:00 Berube and McLellan interview for the Leafs job
1:39:00 Jim Lang joins the show to talk about his new show "My Day with the Cup"
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[@baylaust]

Well, if they were gonna address it, relentlessly mocking Steve for not even having the decency to get a paycheck from the bad source first was probably the right way to do it.

[@jaikohaal]

Everyone: Steve and SDPN took a step back Entirety of SDPN: laughing their asses off at Steve and Steve hilariously embarrassed about it.

[@wilseph1]

"I DROVE HERE IN A MAZDA!" -Steven, dispelling rumors that he is being funded by the Saudis.

[@theevilascotcompany9255]

I dunno, I heard Steve's Mazda has a boss-level tape deck with AM/FM radio. You can't get that without Crown Prince money there.

[@CheetahLynx]

I dunno, he did pay $1 extra for it...

[@Nfnf889]

Jesse😂😂😂😂 “Not an email from someone who’s a prince..”. 😂😂😂😂

[@RedWings80]

Diposed prince of Nigeria prolly

[@phillipmiller3076]

I mean, good on Steve for taking it on the chin. For all the tin-foil hats hating on the retraction, the silence from mods, deleting of comments; etc. it does actually make me feel better that even Adam and Jesse gave Steve the "lol, how in God's name did you fall for that". I feel we've seen Dangle's content for TOO LONG to legitimately think he just sold out for an imaginary Saudi-backed league. Also, shoutout to Schlossman for the update; I live in ND and he does great reporting in the Herald

[@brettbainbridge3154]

Baby brain is a real thing, even for dads.

[@OWlsfordshire]

He had no choice. What was he supposed to do, scream?

[@hsiren]

Yep I have done some digging too and apparently this guy (or atleast "businesman Max Chambers) has tried to start a pro Can-Am baseball league with severall franchises in 1991. All sort of pie-in-the-sky type of talks. That ofcourse never went anywhere either. But got some media attention and some people fell on it. Also tried to relocate CBA (basketball) team in 1990. In 1984 he was very briefly owner of 1984 SJHL Yorkton Terriers. Until financial problems arrived quickly. That man has likely done it for decades.

[@KG-rc3hu]

Steve: _March 7, March 7, March 8, March 8, March 8_ Jesse and Adam: *This is not good podcast content Steve* 😂

[@CorrionReap]

I don't know providing evidence to backup your claim makes for good podcast content to me at least.

[@JoeMagician]

There is something bizarre and wonderful about Steve defending the Bruins.

[@jonasgorea3823]

Where is ur helicopter steve? Jk, adressing it was the best for everyone. Im glad that the boys started with it

[@AHockey1993]

This was the perfect way to address the MLH situation, kudos to Steve for taking it on the chin, and you know you have a good group of buddies when they can laugh at you on a very public platform and you can all have fun with it. Good stuff!

[@Foundry33]

Addressing it was the right thing to do.

[@Brock_Boeser]

Omg you know the league is a joke when STEVE DANGLE IS ARGUING IN FAVOUR OF THE BRUINS!!!!! 🤯😭😱🤬🤣😵‍💫

[@andrewmartin6120]

And he is wrong. He is so quick to mention rule 69, he fails to keep scrolling and see Rule 69.7 "in a rebound situation, or where a goalkeeper and attacking player(s) are simultaneously attempting to play a loose puck, whether inside or outside the crease, incidental contact will be permitted, and any goal that is scored as a result thereof will be allowed."

[@davidjohnson9186]

@@andrewmartin6120the “incidental” contact happened before the rebound. That rule doesn’t apply.

[@andrewmartin6120]

I would argue the rebound is happening during the incidental contact. Rewatch the play again. When Bennet hits Coyle in the back. The shot was already blocked by Swayman and was infront of Coyle and Bennett as a rebound. Now, you could argue Coyle was interfered with on the rebound by Bennett. That I could see. But that is not what was called. What was called was goaltender interference. Coyle played some terrible defense by being in the crease and being in the way of Swayman, possibly, being able to get to the other side of the net. Even if Coyle was not in the crease, Swayman's legs and knees were on the ground. He wouldn't have had time to push off on his left leg. To possibly make the save because....it was a rebound shot Bennett got off in quick succession of the hit. Again, it is not just Bennet playing off the rebound. It's the rebound, Coyle being in the crease and already blocking a potential path (fully blocked, or partially blocked) and Swayman not being in a position to quickly respond to a quick rebound due to his bodies position. It was the right call to not overturn the goal due to Bennett's hit. As much as people want to be angry at the officiating, which people can be. Playoff officiating is always horrendous. But in this instance, no. It's a good goal.

[@davidjohnson9186]

@@andrewmartin6120 I respectfully disagree

[@thecinemawrestlingfederati7958]

​@andrewmartin6120 69.7 specifies it's incidental contact between an attacking player and the goalie. Bennett intentionally cross-checking Coyle into Swayman wouldn't fall under that. This is goalie interference in any serious league. But as we know the NHL refuses to have consistent Goalie Interference rules

[@Brock_Boeser]

Thank you Steve 🙏 hearing you call out the reffing is cathartic

[@jwoahlnt]

Im a leafs fan and love seeing marchand get his as much as anyone..BUT how is morgan reilly suspended for 5 games and bennet not even fined?!

[@lankancheetah]

Feel like having Adam & Jesse streaming different series has done wonders for the podcast; they’re able to fully understand what it’d like as fans of non Leafs teams beyond Twitter / KZbin clips.

[@ramprat5812]

Thank you Adam for finally acknowledging what got Reilly suspended, it was all because he skated after him to deliver the hit it’s not the same as the Sousey cross check at all.

[@Elveret21]

Adam was spot on - 1 game suspension.

[@danieldosso2455]

Considering how ruthless the NHL was at taking down the WHA decades ago, why wouldn't the NHL absolutely crush the "MLH" league before it ever gets off the ground?

[@B2Roland]

If it really was Saudi backed, they'd be outmatched.

[@zut-72]

good on you for coming front forward and talking about it, happens to everyone

[@drewlally2324]

Kelly Sutherland is also the guy who stared right at Accari getting tripped in the 2019 finals and did nothing

[@naosstulos]

The Bennett situation sets a dangerous precedent.

[@BurnySanders]

Its all fun and games until Bertuzzi breaks your f*cking neck on live tv because the refs have stopped doing their job.

[@paulathekoala1699]

Adam when it comes to having bad takes as of late has been insane with the Ted Lindsey and the refs

[@Chimeratech8]

Lost in all of this is the fact that Allan backed Steve's MLH report. I'm not the biggest fan of Allan but can't deny he has a pretty good pulse on what happens in hockey behind closed doors. So when I saw him support Steve's reporting, that's when I bought into it being real.

[@Gamerzsociaty]

Lots of people had heard the same stuff but the guy trying to start it has been questionable in the past (tried to buy the Blues but nobody could validate it)

[@FancouverCanucks]

Carson Soucy being suspended one game leaves you wondering why - in the same scrum, Hyman cross-checked Zadorov in the face with Zadorov needing stitches, and there is no supplemental discipline for the exact same play.

[@NoodlesCubed]

that video is not as viral that's why. the league and DoPS cares more about optics than player safety. Ironic

[@HappyandCheery]

Missed an opportunity to have a sarcastic show title throwback to Smart insider man

[@arthurmontiel2665]

I've said from the beginning, it's all about how you respond. Mistakes are usually fine.

[@widehalk]

Steve "Smart Insider Man" Dangle lol

[@proffingers]

Considering how the Saudis have dealt with reporters in the past, Steve is lucky they left the hacksaws at home.

[@paolabelan8211]

I love that the sponsors keep getting better and better ❤❤❤❤

[@JoeMagician]

To add onto Steve's point about the players adapting if you call the rules, look no further than Brady Tkachuk complaining that he's not allowed to be a goon in the World Championships against Slovakia. Look at what happens if the officials and organization commits to not allowing the kind of ridiculous physical play that is typical in the NHL and the Tkachuk brothers make their living on. Suddenly, they're forced to play hockey and they will even if they don't want to. He hems and haws, but you know what's not happening? No one is getting sucker punched in the face in that game and staying in the game and the tournament. No one is getting cross checked in the face after the whistle. Brady isn't laying out everyone then trying to start a line brawl after every whistle. The players will adapt if you make them. It is 100% percent possible to make these plays and injuries and styles of play disappear from the NHL. They just do not want to. Imagine if a player got tossed after throwing one punch in a scrum after the whistle and then the very next play. Think anyone on the ice is gonna risk throwing that punch if they know they're out of the game for doing it and not just a 2 minute time out? There's a reason in football they do not break into spontaneous fights at the end of every play like happens in playoff hockey despite being an equally physical sport especially talking about linemen. Every single one of those players knows that they will be thrown out if they do it, and they will hurt their team and that's not worth it. Everyone else has figured it out. Even baseball! There was a fight between white sox and Guardians last year where the benches cleared and the guys fought each other. The players involved didn't go sit in a box for 5 minutes. They were suspended for 6 games each as well as the managers for a game each. The mlb embarrassed the guys that engaged in that fight instead of glorifying them for being tough guys, and as such fights are very rare in baseball now when they used to be far more common. There's your path NHL.

[@TrAvi5link]

Yeah, Steve was definitely right about the NHL not caring about being a sports league. They care more about being the violence on ice league. I bet they even think all the talk about the referees is good for the game because "no press is bad press"

[@avalnz86]

Yup. I’ve grown up around rugby my whole life, and ‘magically’, ‘somehow’, that sort of BS is rare as hen’s teeth. Because-shocker-the rules are policed and enforced. I just read a news item the other day about a player in my country being suspended for several weeks (yes, weeks) for a dangerous play. (And thus North Americans are frequently tickled pink by how polite large rugby players are to refs 😅)

[@JoeMagician]

@@avalnz86 I saw a clip of two rugby players getting scolded by a ref for dangerous play, and both of them promised to get their players under control. And they did. I literally cannot imagine that happening in hockey.

[@avalnz86]

@@JoeMagician Ha, yes that was what I grew up thinking was just how professional sports were. Imagine my rude awakening getting into hockey a few years ago. The prevailing cultural attitude is to blame the player too, i.e. *they’ve* quite possibly left their team in a difficult position for X many games due to undisciplined/juvenile behaviour, rather than assuming the disciplining body was in the wrong.

[@brady57277]

JUST ANNOUNCED: SAM BENNETT WONT EVEN GET A FINE

[@JH-jw7pu]

Hyman cross-checked Zadorov in the face too! Right after Soucy’s. Z had to get stitches but ZERO consequences for Hyman. The double standard is the problem. Hyman should also be suspended for a game.

[@tyler_okamoto]

JUST ANNOUNCED: Soucy got a 1 game suspension

[@Marixa1979]

And Canuck fans are so vocal to say the league is out to get them, but this one and the Pietro slash being 1 game each is a joke.

[@bondageknightgael9410]

Seems fair, McDavid earned those cross checks with the over hand 2 hand slash that was ALSO after the whistle. You can’t do what big Z and Soucy did, but you also can’t do what McDavid did either.

[@ajbolt7]

Crazy that there’s not even a fine or acknowledgement of Hyman cross-checking Zadorov in the face on that same play, hard enough to cause him to need stitches.

[@funstarr]

Cue the Dangle scream.

[@Marixa1979]

@@bondageknightgael9410 Huh? Watch it again. Are you talking about the slash to Soucy's pants which is followed by Soucy's slash to McDavid's pants? Nobody with a shred of common sense is complaining about a couple slashes to the pants, those are extremely minor.

[@paulnicholls50]

Bruins fan in Sydney, Australia. Enjoy your informed opinions and the frustration against the refs is real. Refs are ruining games sometimes. Have a great week.

[@rekingcrew3245]

I’ve been made to feel bad for Boston. I need an hour long shower. Canucks fan.

[@szaggasd]

Thanks for the reffing convo, Steve is totally right. Call the rules, players will adapt

[@Jamminmagic]

Well played steve thanks for being earnest and honest, respect reclaimed

[@avalnz86]

Thank you for mentioning rugby, Steve. As a newer hockey fan, and an international one who was not raised on any North American sports, I frequently roll my eyes at North American parochialism (/exceptionalism) with regards to hockey. The high standard in Rugby Union reffing is what I’ve come to expect, and the standard of reffing and player safety rulings in hockey-regardless of team, regardless of player-is the worst I’ve personally ever seen. So egregious it often feels comical, and I think it really does impact the sport’s international marketability and growth. I find I have to think of hockey as having some inherently unserious elements or I wouldn’t be able to enjoy it.

[@Yognaughto]

Love my boys, good to see 'em take responsibility - great story to share too. Sometimes you just beef it.

[@honkeykong4049]

You could make a better argument for the Canucks to be up 3-0 than you could for the Oilers.

[@KairiDivine]

Respect for addressing the MLH topic, fellas.

[@JaredRotenberg]

43:16 I wasn’t expecting Steve Dangle to go on a Randy Marsh-esque Sarcastaball rant, but I am 100% here for it!

[@lamadridista7]

Oilers would be up 3-0. How? Can’t score 5 on 5 and Ian Cole has half their goals.

[@matth268]

Missed opportunity to call this episode "not a league" on so many different levels.

[@thewickedone2676]

So good 🤣

[@SteveDangle]

DAMN IT!!! Oh man, good call.

[@dylanroach3022]

Congratulations on the lucrative sponsorship Steve!

[@cronoros]

Dont have a problem with Soucy getting a suspension. Do have a problem that the Oilers dont have to answer for their actions

[@AB.a1.6]

A Mazda in this economy? Saudi Steve indeed, 😂😂

[@user-oi3jz6fv8p]

Love ya, Steve!

[@jasonb5987]

Good show guys

[@thewickedone2676]

I didnt understand all the outrage to begin with, but Steve's sense of accountability is very admarirable. Love that Jesse and Adam broke his balls for it. Perfectly handled, even though it was really a non-issue.

[@timvyfvinkel4542]

Guys, you can't make betting tips to us after ranting about the corrupt league. Why would anyone, bet money on this league with officials like this?

[@JSargeK]

"Its been anarchy" - 32:40 I heard that title card pun instantly and chuckled.

[@ramirer9561]

Steve Dangle, the Don Cherry for the new generation

[@zarajday]

This is why most reporters are trained in how to verify a source. It's unfortunate Steve made this mistake, but hopefully it can be a good opportunity to learn the important of verifying information from more than one source before blasting it out to the internet as a fact

[@TheIslandDivision]

Larry Murphy. He got chased out of Toronto, landed in Detroit. He won with the Red Wings and spent his day driving the Cup around Toronto.

[@lucassalvatore7110]

My respect for steve after that rant on the officials has absolutely sky rocketed. Good on you the sport is starting to hurt because of these officials.

[@plushie946]

Hockey has such a huge opportunity to become more of a mainstream sport in America, especially with the overwhelming success of the PWHL and the post-covid landscape benefitting sports generally and the NHL specifically, but you're absolutely right. I bet a lot of people who would otherwise enjoy hockey are one egregiously badly officiated game away from losing all fledgling interest. And I've never seen this amount of fans, offline and online, all united in pointing out how bad the officiating is across the league. Everyone feels pretty united here in their anger.

[@crushdavis7048]

Steve for sure doesnt watch other sports because the NFL is so so much worse than the NHL. And with how awful the reffing is in that, it still manages to stay as the number 1 sports league in the world. If people are leaving hockey to go to another sport, they are going to get equally or even worse reffing than hockey.

[@schwallerm]

Unhinged Evangelist Dangle is my favorite Dangle. Great episode

[@brandonjohnson3703]

Adam the only non biased one on the show. Rielly play was completely different.

[@jamesaaron7211]

Stand-up guys are always admirable, even or possibly especially when standing up is painful. Having good mates who have your back helps.

[@doug7170]

Best show all yr steve agree 100%

[@swbaxter13]

Thanks for directing us to Schlossman, guy seems to know his stuff.

[@LynnEdwards-sl7jd]

Much more so than Steve. Also much smarter. Steve is just a blowhard that got big in the early days of KZbin by screeching and shrilling like a 12 year old girl on Leafs videos.

[@gibberish5388]

The MLH jokes were funny and i hope the continue, but anyone saying Steve was paid or wouldn't address it was clueless.

[@NicoCdawg]

We love ya Steve 😂

[@groooooog8315]

Still think this is the stat of the playoffs (and explains the oilers being down) - Oilers without Mcdavid or Drai on the ice have 2 goals. Total...

[@braedandoyle3617]

@steve Reminder you still have time to backtrack on your "Easton Cowan back to the OHL next year" take - complete OHL finals domination.

[@BatsCal]

Hyman should also be suspended. He cross checked Zadorov in the face (aimed for it because height difference) and Zadorov needed stitches. But no, not even a fine for him. How am I not supposed to feel like Edmonton is receiving favourable treatment?

[@bernsi96]

Can vouch for Steve's point about fans just leaving when they get tired of the bullshit. Reffing is a big one but also the blatant lack of morals throughout the league. Used to watch all 82 games for my team plus whichever match up was best on the west coast almost nightly. I have watched 4 games in the past 2 seasons and I usually end up changing the channel.

[@PokeMedros]

I need to know what level of injury needs to be done for the NHL to care about officiating.

[@spinsilver03]

Much respect from a bruins fan who has followed you for years. No one does Bruins analysis like SDPN. ALSO thank you for being the one smart person responding to Sweeney’s comments thinking they way he phrased his words to demand them put the refs on the stand to be questioned. Everyone was pisses he didn’t “intentionally take the fine and give them a piece of his mind” What a win would it be if we could question the refs? The biggest of all time that’s what.

[@MrNightRome]

that fact the oilers have that great of a powerplay and are still losing shows how bad they are 5 on 5

[@HalyconSolace]

Just want to take some time to thank all the trolls adding a bunch of extra comments to last sdpn and giving these guys the extra exposure by helping their algorithm! Appreciate it folks! Any comment is a good comment! 😂😂😂

[@86daytonaz]

Shanahan Fired?- ❎ Pelley Cares?- ❎ Treliving loves Woll?-❎ Defence is good?-❎ Offence is scoring?-❎ Coach solves problem?- ❎ Goaltending ?- ❎ Need I say more?✅

[@JamesMartine-pu5ch]

Adam the voice of reason on this show. You two are on another planet today 😂😂😂

[@samweinsteinsmith1836]

43:00 killed me LOL

[@mike_oxhurt154]

Huge respect to Steve for owning up to the mlh mistake

[@onesharpmarble]

Colin Campbells kid was on the bruins when they had their abomination of a stanley cup run. Nothing changes.

[@EweCantHandletheTruth]

Here’s an idea. If the NHL wants to grow in popularity, how’s about the NHL hold their officials A LOT more accountable than the NFL, NBA or MLB. Make the refs face the media after every game. Now, I also say pay them more to take on that responsibility and transparency. I’m telling you, fans of other sports will tune in knowing that officials are being held accountable…

[@villeperkkola]

Sure, but they will never pay the refs enough to make them agree with that

[@user-jg4ny5mq6c]

Heck yes!

[@hockeyking111115]

The Bennett punch reminds me of the lyubushkin sucker punch from Hall.

[@georgerobbins8823]

Gym bro here and got to defend Steve pullups and pulldowns both primarily work the Lats. Pull downs are good accessory work or training if you struggle with pull ups.

[@carndt2911]

thanks Steve for calling out the bad referee calls

[@Kipindahouse]

Saudi Steve lmao. I love you guys.

[@cleementine]

I think we need to see Steve do some pull-ups while explaining what muscles he's using.

[@terryliamakeros4552]

The fact that the UFC is more predictable with what’s allowed and what’s not is crazy

[@shawnstott]

The refs mistake their role, I honestly believe they think we are all paying high ticket prices to just ... see ... them. What a joke.

[@jeremygross8967]

Steve: Turn the Stanley Cup into a cock and balls. Manscaped Execs: Genius.

[@AtrainAlex89]

You know the officiating has been brutal, is when Steve starts defending the Boston Bruins. And he is 100% correct in doing so

[@214cena]

Steve Dangle 🤝 Bruins fans “WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE?!”

[@andrewmartin6120]

More like Steve Dangle and Bruins fans forgetting there is more to rule 69 🤫 Rule 69.7 "in a rebound situation, or where a goalkeeper and attacking player(s) are simultaneously attempting to play a loose puck, whether inside or outside the crease, incidental contact will be permitted, and any goal that is scored as a result thereof will be allowed."

[@214cena]

@@andrewmartin6120 what is “incidental” about Bennett purposefully cross checking Coyle into the goalie?

[@NoodlesCubed]

@@andrewmartin6120 incidental means part of the play, an illegal crosscheck is not part of the play unless you are saying cross checking in the crease is all of a sudden allowed and everyone should do it.

[@brennanleffler]

Steve and Jesse, you're out to lunch on Soucy/McDavid. Comparing it to Rielly is ludicrous. Rielly went out of his way to blindside cross check Grieg when there was no physical engagement. Soucy deserves a game, but Adam is right. CMD was facing Soucy, gave him a two hander and Soucy meant to xcheck him in the chest. I agree the standard should change. For example, Rielly should have got 12 games, minimum. But you don't arbitrarily change the established standard in the middle of the playoffs.

[@gordonmacdowell8117]

Adam seems to be the only one who actually watched the Canucks-Oilers game, because it was on a school night. Most East Coast sports media seem to be either unaware or ignoring the big two handed slash by McDavid against Soucy before he got crosschecked. The fact that McDavid gets nothing for a huge slash is a joke. I thought Soucy would be suspended, especially after all the lobbying by TSN and Sportsnet hacks, who made it sound like McDavid was rescuing kittens when he got crosschecked out of nowhere.

[@plushie946]

Honestly knowing now what happened with the MLH thing, it's very understandable. Don't get me wrong, you gotta do your due diligence, but also having worked in freelance journalism (albeit in a very different part of the field), I can tell you confidently many major reporters for huge outlets don't do their due diligence, but their mistakes are often lost in the noise while their major breaking stories become their resume. Really what you've learned is what so many people learn which is you're not the type of person for breaking stories, and that's fine. I wasn't either and the only reason I didn't embarrass myself trying is because as a freelance journalist no one is going to pick up your story anyways so I'd just be nuking my career (which ended up not being much of one anyways in my case) with absolutely no benefit. As for a source screwing you over, I know that all too well. Sadly the current media sphere requires things to move fast which makes dependence on insider sources so much more important, but also means if they burn you there's very little time to see it before it's too late.

[@tdswartz96]

Dude thats like being told the Ducks GM was stepping down only to be told it was a prank 😅

[@MSmith-cp1tz]

Steve be like "I can do that, hold my alcohol free peach Schnapps"

[@usf1250]

I saw that video and was like..oh Steve..you got duped

[@ShaunAnderson_Sauce]

Bruins fan here. Thank you for validating my opinion on that bullshit goal last night. I am just absolutely crushed man. Juat go back to 2019 where we got scored on after that blatant trip and its just like who hates us?!

[@nathanspreitzer6738]

Well I’m glad he addressed the issue at hand

[@simonpro2282]

btw you can get do a few day in a cell for punching sombody, but doing it on the ice is not a suspension

[@patrickoneill646]

It's nice to see someone is impartial about this! I am a Bruins fan but the ref's are insane or blind.

[@ryanverville9567]

I agree with Steve on this totally. Playoff hockey sucks. It is a totally different sport than the regular season.

[@jeremybatah4827]

I’d love to see Adam’s nightmare situation. Ducharme as the next leafs coach, or even for him to just be interviewed lol.