Son Vanishes After Discovering a Horrifying Secret in the National Park | National Park Horrors

[@ThatChapter]

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[@doyouwantacigaretteroberts3308]

Third .

[@AmberMcMillan-nw5jb]

Any chance we can get a collab with you & Coffeehouse Crime? It would be a drean come true! Please? With cherries on top? :-)

[@BushidoCode82]

I LOVE tools like this! Thanks for sharing all of this info! I will have to give it a gooo!🎉

[@Ron-d2s]

If you like hiking videos check out The Trek Planner. Always a calm fun hike.

[@lg6707]

Missing 411 stories zzzz. I'm all for the shorter stories mixed together but please don't go down this rabbit hole.

[@BryanKieler]

As a father (or just a regular ole citizen), if I came across a young child all alone in the woods but could hear a hiking group within 100 yards... I WOULD TAKE THAT KID TO THE TO THE FREAKIN GROUP!!!! NEVER would I leave a young child all alone

[@jamieluce5808]

So many adults let that poor little child down!! I would immediately start looking for adults if I encountered a lone 3 year old! Sorry to say, most of the adults in this story are men!! The protective instinct isn’t developed!!!

[@DrJurdenPeterbergsteinlerwitz]

Proof?

[@athanksgivingbaby570]

@Dr. Jurden- Of what?

[@daveblacklock9173]

Take him to cps, wtf were they doing letting little cougar bait run solo through the paths- out of sight - I got littles, this seems so brain dead to me

[@ahmedsalim571]

@@DrJurdenPeterbergsteinlerwitz😂😂

[@jessemasters1446]

I had heard the first story before and it still frustrates me to hear how so many adults botched watching a 3 year old. You dont just let a 3 year old run wild into the woods!

[@MsLucyJayne]

Exactly! Why wasn’t anyone in the group responsible enough to keep an eye on him!?!

[@davidpaul6656]

@@MsLucyJayne - Not very Christian like!

[@NYLily07]

Parents should be held responsible in such parental neglect cases

[@norbertomoran4575]

@@NYLily07disgusting comment

[@shadowmoon5445]

that haunted me for a while it got me so mad about that pathetic group RIP

[@BetsyRoss76]

A 3 year old is a baby. A toddler. A small child that needs constant adult supervision. Whichever adults agreed to let him go should have kept him with them at all times. Poor little kid.

[@flatearthrcs4869]

100 percent correct. If your more interested into national park disappearances. follow .. DAVID PALIDES...By far the most educated when speaking these topics. The national parks in not only the States, but Canada as well do not keep records on missing persons.

[@flatearthrcs4869]

Paulides leaves you with the facts and allows you to come to your own opinions.

[@CrimeStoryNation-zl5sr]

Yeah I don't believe that 3 year old legs be stronger and faster than adults and that too, the faster group, to be running ahead of them. 😮

[@SugaSuga008]

How do we know if they really let him go… definitely sus.

[@codirennke1109]

I cant believe they even took the children one step past the fishery. Whoever said "yeah let them come I'll keep an eye on them" should have went back with the children to their father. So infuriating how dumb all the adults were. Including the fishermen who didnt bring the boy to the adults who clearly were not far away. Insane from every angle.

[@KimbysWorld]

Mike I have a cousin Dava Leonard who has been missing for 3yrs in the Colorado mountains. You can easily find the news reports here on KZbin. Her older sister Miccha and I are the only ones still trying to find her, though we are almost certain what happened (she was lastseenwithherabusiveboyfriend) we try to keep her name and story fresh but it seems she isn't important to the authorities and her case is now considered a "cold case". It would be awesome if you could do a video about Dava's case and get her story back out there to hopefully get justice for her and bring her home so we can give her a proper burial so her children, siblings, family and friends can have some sort of closure. We all appreciate you Mike for the hard work you do. Please give her Case a Gooo ❤

[@olivier-pierredebelmont.3630]

Your comment makes me feel sad.I hope that this channel will refresh the search of your dear disappeared friend and family .... I hope Mike will contact you,then no door will remain shut on this case. Be strong,and my best wish for a closure of this sad story.Love.O.😊

[@Wistful77]

I hope Mike picks up her story!💔

[@pattimaeda6097]

That’s not what he does. Hire a private investigator

[@lisaspencer1057]

I’m so sorry for Dava and your whole family. Much love and prayers for strength and peace until you see her again. ❤. May you get the answers you need sooner rather than later.

[@charliekezza]

Put this post on every true crime channel you can until someone listens and then keep posting till you find her

[@fedup4365]

That’s crazy to me that the fishermen didn’t wait with Jared until the group caught up. The kid was 3, seems like a lot of dumb adults in that story.

[@AB-un4io]

The fishermen seem sus to me.

[@boathousejoed1126]

They all are evil.Who loses a 3yr old...

[@alexandercarder2281]

@@AB-un4iome too. That’s what I commented. They should have asked people on the path the fishermen “Claimed” to go down if they had seen two fishermen. If not then I reckon those two took Jared and murdered him and what not. 😢😢

[@davidpaul6656]

Those "Christians" weren't very responsible. Who lets a young child wander off ahead of them?

[@Longhornechi]

I mean, really…How could you look at that face and let him go off without knowing he had someone’s hand. 😢😢😢😢 That little face is going to haunt me, now. No person of any moral worth would leave a child THAT young

[@elle_rose_xx]

What kind of idiots take a kid EIGHTEEN MILES AWAY without letting his dad know their plans have changed?! They’re all somewhat responsible in my eyes. Jared’s dad almost definitely wouldn’t have let him go if he knew where they decided to go.

[@bethstaley467]

His parents are responsible for him, no one else. People who don't have kids do so for a reason. When I'm in the woods, my concern is my dog. And that's my choice. If you can't take care of a child, don't have one.

[@woodyb6626]

@@bethstaley467 True, But the adults who took them with him, They were responsible for the child. There is an understanding that when you take a kid with you, you are watching them (unless the parents are there). The adults NEEDED to keep him with them, they failed.

[@mattjack3983]

​@@bethstaley467I can see your perspective on it, and in a way, you do make a good point. HOWEVER, realistically, that's not how things work. As a parent, when you entrust your child to another adult, for any reason, then that adult accepts full responsibility for the safety and well-being of the child, as if it were the adult's own child. Should anything happen to the child while in the custody and care of an adult, then that adult is completely responsible, and can be held liable for it.

[@OrnamentalPlague]

@@bethstaley467 your diatribe makes no sense. The adults he was allowed to go with took responsibility. THEY walked off with the child, saying it would be down the street and back. They don't have to be a parent to be held responsible for children THEY voluntarily take responsibility for. Chill bro, no one is trying to child bait you or force you to watch their children while you are off in the woods with your dog.

[@cometclear]

@@OrnamentalPlague You're debating someone with sociopathic tendencies. Anyone whose reaction to a lost child in the woods is, "Screw you for choosing the wrong parents. I'm just concerned about my dog" isn't a person operating on a moral plane.

[@Bphillips2808]

Jaryd Atadero's father was my PE teacher in the 8th grade when this happened. I remember hearing about it one day in and Mr Atadero didn't come back to school for a long time. I just remember him being such a kind man to all of us. Wishing nothing but the best to him and their family.

[@alainaevans9683]

I truly hope hes found some sort of peace 😢❤

[@makavelismith]

He let his kid wander alone in a forest. I'm surprised he missed time at all.

[@dahe1352]

@@makavelismith He didnt? He let him go with his older sister a large group of adults. Can I ask you an honest question? Do you identify as a moron?

[@Starry_Skye22]

​@@makavelismith Um he didn't. He allowed his child to go with adults he trusted. And it wasn't supposed to be on a hike a bunch of miles away either.

[@deborahfollowscornell9007]

​@@makavelismithFeel good to say that.

[@MsYoungRacer]

That first story is a classic case of “There’s so many of us out here, SOMEONE is watching him” And everyone was thinking that, so no one watched I’m sure they all feel guilty as heck

[@Weens]

Bystander effect.

[@sumbunniii8721]

The father is the most responsible

[@catscraftscrimes]

​@@sumbunniii8721no he's not he was told they were only going a couple of miles max but they didn't even go to the place they said were gong to once they realised their plans were changing they/ someone should have taken him back they had no right to take him further than they'd originally agreed on with his dad

[@Emma88178]

​@catscraftscrimes it was his responsibility to have at least one person keep their eye on him. You can't just rely on a bunch of people watching him when the whole bystander affect would come into play.

[@jenlwilder]

13 adults total and not one of them knew to keep a 3 year old with them? And the 11 adults whisked the kids to a completely different location without letting the father know? What the hell?

[@fuierago]

It's basically like when an emergency happens around a bunch of strangers (Bystander Effect), someone NEEDS to be told to call 911, else it's just assumed. Most likely what happened to poor little Jared. Plus the Mingling Christian distraction of it.

[@ProbabilityOverdrive]

Yup. I’m thinking that 13 adults means the kid was even less likely to be watched than if there had been just 2 adults. With 13, everyone can think “someone else is watching him.”

[@Attabasca]

I literally cannot wrap my head around just taking those two kids off 18 miles away for a hike in the woods without their dad knowing - that is beyond unacceptable. Then they don't know not to let a 3-year-old run ahead of them where they can't see him? Beyond comprehension what these adults thought would be okay.

[@nhmooytis7058]

P Doze?

[@sammygirl6910]

​@@ProbabilityOverdrive Exactly

[@RealTuckered]

When I was 8 years old I got lost in the Ozarks while on a Boy Scout camping trip. I was walking back from a spring we had been swimming in, the older kid who was supposed to be my “buddy” ran ahead and I wandered off the trail without realizing it. I was lost for about 4-5 hours, before finding a dried riverbed and following it and eventually finding a campground with people. It was one of the most terrifying experiences of my life, but humbling as well, as we are always at the mercy of the vastness and unpredictability of this planet.

[@wagashi]

Glad you made it out of that scary situation! I would have shit my pants and died on the spot

[@mailemccorriston6727]

Amen you can tell that story!!! Smart young man. Glad you made it home.

[@WhatAWonderfulNameItIs]

Wow! That’s scary. You had some awesome problem solving skills.

[@BettiePagan]

Bet those Boy Scout skills came in full force! Good on you, that’s quite a tale to tell, and still have such a huge respect for nature afterwards

[@BettiePagan]

@@wagashiI’d go much the same lol, if only IBS stood for “Intelligent Boy Scout”

[@hollyharris1874]

Jaryd's case haunts me. I can't believe the group let that sweet boy out of sight for even a second. Heartbroken for Mr. Atadero.

[@karayanna8119]

Right? It's an absolute nightmare.

[@jimmycot1]

Mountain lion pretty much confirmed I believe. Never should have been alone for sure though.

[@MrNobody91]

Not only the group, but if you believe the fishermen then that means two groups of adults let them out of their sight. Though I don't really believe some of the stuff the fishermen said. Also, I think its a bit sus with the ones who found the clothes that they just so happened to go down a trail im sure had been walked and happen to find the clothes in a way that don't add up to have been out there for 3 years? And they just so happened to have been talking about a case tbay happened 3 years ago and hallen tk fins that same kids clothes? That seems suspicious as well imo. Especially if the thing w the clothes being in good good of shape to not been out there for 3 years.

[@MissNikkiDawson]

​@jimmycot1 how???? Clothes with no blood at all on them and pants inside out???

[@777Maranatha]

@@MissNikkiDawson Yep! There is definitely foul play involved here! And any wild animal would never do any of those things… they just can’t, by definition! The clothes has been put there three years later. 🤯

[@edwinwelch1946]

Rip Jaryd. Everyone failed you. The group that took you to the woods, the fishermen who didnt take you back yo the group and jist let you go alone and the ranger who saw a guy grabbing you while you tried to run away. So many incompetent people and all should feel ashamed. I cant believe how many people failed you.

[@Kt-cn2rq]

What a bunch of idiot.

[@cathe8282]

How does a group entrusted with two kids under 10 just unilaterally change their plans? This man is trusting you with his kids and you don't keep to the plan of just going 2 miles?? Even if the kids say "yaay, let's go!", adults didn't think????? What a nightmare! If I were a single parent looking for love, I wouldn't be checking them out. As for hearing a sound that didn't sound like danger, how naive can you be? I live behind an elementary school. Kids sound like they're being murdered when they're having fun, how many videos have I seen where an unidentified noise is coming from the wood? What sound does a tiny child make being caught by a mountain lion or bear? Unless you have eyes on the kid or holding on to them. kids disappear. Jeez, I'm angry at these selfish, ignorant idiots.

[@phaedrapage4217]

Exactly! The stupidity is astounding!

[@Geospasmic]

Even that short walk is too much to expect of a three year old. Is somebody prepared to carry him if he gets tired?

[@SamBarge1]

Also, how did a 3 yr old walk faster than their adult companions? Like, he's 3 yrs old. You should be able to keep up. WTF?

[@MintyZay777]

@@SamBarge1or snatch him up and put him on your shoulders since he’s moving faster than the group. All of these adults are morons.

[@simsimah]

How about don’t entrust other adults with your kids period .

[@spiritsbeyondthestars3493]

What two grown ass men would leave a 3-year-old, all alone waiting for others to come? That doesn't even make common sense.

[@Longhornechi]

The fisherman seems fishy, alright! 😂 But, really creepy that they’re talking to him and then just let him go on alone? I think they may have had something more to do with his disappearance.

[@ElSantoLuchador]

Two grown ass men that are sus AF.

[@andiidoode]

yes, could they have handed him over to someone?

[@STdoubleDs]

Sounds like they had fish to catch and didn’t want to bother babysitting a random kid. Nothing suspect about that. That was the 90’s, the tail end of letting kids run around unsupervised and before helicopter parenting became so common. So them leaving him on the trail so they could get on with their fishing trip would have been completely normal.

[@writeousrhema]

They probably kidnapped him. Traffickers?

[@Hiddenangell1270]

Jarods case reminds me of the case of Dennis Martin in 1969. He was camping with his family in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park in TN. He was playing hide and seek with other children at the campsite and hid behind a bush and was literally never seen again. Both stories are absolutely heartbreaking.

[@douggramlich7832]

Mine too! 👍🏻

[@ccharms60]

Seen both on Mr Ballen both truly sad

[@existentialcrisis4884]

Also reminds me of Deorr Kuntz

[@kendallneason3645]

I wonder how many people realize how vulnerable both young children and elderly people are especially when they run into the wrong person. My condolences to all the families of the missing/deceased.

[@lucyhallis9814]

Some kids wonder off and I was the kid who wondered off. I don't remember this but my mother was at a yard sale and there was a lake in back of the house and I wandered off into the back yard and was playing in the lake. This happened in a matter of 1 to 2 minute. My mom called out to me and I ran to her. At that time I didn't know how to swim as I was about 3 years old. All it takes is a minute or two.

[@gomahklawm4446]

With regards to both mentioned demographics you mentioned.....check the FBI crime database website who is responsible in most cases, by far...the always always shocks people.... Spoiler- It's women. Easy to check the website to verify. The most vulnerable are at far more risk of being unalived by women. It surprised me and I had to check....but wow, it's not even close...

[@jamesartist3307]

When I was 13 years old I was lost in the Idaho wilderness for days. Search and rescue had everything you can imagine looking for me. They could not find me. I walked out after 3 days. I can tell you from experience. There are a lot of places out there where they will never find you.

[@suzymarshall4898]

Wow! How did you find your way out? That had to be terrifying!!!

[@lorirausch3326]

Oh my James! That would have been awful! Glad you’re around to tell the tale.

[@ElSantoLuchador]

It always amazes me that people are shocked that they can't find a person or a body in densely forested areas or the wide open sea. I used to do mountain rescue and it's much easier to get lost than it is to get found.

[@johndavis9432]

@@ElSantoLuchador Years ago two little kids somehow got lost in the forest in Maine.There was a massive search and rescue effort but they never found the poor kids.Sadly,they found their bodies later on and they were only about 50-100 feet from the campground.

[@monilangeKootenays]

Happy you lived to tell others

[@jaynedavis4667]

Here in the UK if you get lost in the woods you only have to walk in one direction for a few hours and you are either in a town or at the coast, in the US however you can walk forever and not find the edge, I dont think many people realise how big those wildlands actually are.

[@SarinaSazi]

True

[@AbstractTraitorHero]

@@cathrynmclean7624 Serial killers are generally not in the woods, they are statistically in the city's.

[@El777-01]

Not entirely true. We have plenty of large forests here. The largest is in Scotland near 300miles long. Whilst not on scale of most North american forests. We still have large ones to get lost in, and take much more than few hours to find way out of.

[@rudra62]

The problem is if lost in the woods people tend to walk in circles, without points of reference. Most people have one leg that's slightly longer.

[@blankblank4130]

Stronger

[@paulrivers7248]

Hey Mike i got deployed and its been almost 8 months since ive been able to watch your vids your voice brings back some more peaceful times for my head so thank you sir!

[@moonxshakti]

Thank you for your service 🙂

[@Starry_Skye22]

Thank you for your service sir.

[@ChrisG1122]

Stay safe. 🙏🏼

[@lorrainebrady7290]

Keep. You head up. As they say may the road rise with you and the sun be. On your back. A girl from Dublin Ireland. We love to send. Good. Message s ❤❤❤❤

[@sheilaoshea6350]

Thank you for your service ❤

[@mikeyfn-a6684]

RIP to Daniel Curtis Nahera,21, of San Jacinto, CA. He lost his young life NOT being dumb and reckless like many of his fellow punks. But by fighting the Esperanza fires of 2006. Don't know what it is, I only knew him for a few short months, but he left an impact on me. 🙌

[@lisahinton9682]

Niney-nine percent of the comments are about Jaryd, but I'd like to make mention of what incredible women Stephanie and Geraldina both were. How sad, what happened to each of them. I hope their family and friends found peace.

[@KathyHussey063]

such amazing brave women !!

[@sofiaalves6358]

The last one broke me

[@AdamGee8]

For real. I don’t blame the people but I’ve been digging through comments trying to find just one on the other stories. Theories m, discussion, got nothing

[@bettercallnadiya]

I’ve been looking for a comment about Geraldine..her story is movie worthy if you ask me. She survived almost a month in the wilderness, documenting it at the same time. Her journals last entry was heartbreaking.

[@V13-u1c]

So weird. I would never leave a child who was alone anywhere! What the heck were those men thinking? Poor baby! The father must have lost his mind!

[@Ron-d2s]

My 25 birthday....

[@little-leaf124]

same. and if they heard people in the background, why not wait with the little boy until they reach you? just doesn’t make sense

[@deefaison3730]

Well, the 3 year old shouldn't have even gone on this hike with a bunch of single ppl. Obviously, those ppl weren't there to watch a child (seeing that they lost him). Never would I had let my children go into the woods with anyone. Parents fault 100%

[@fairladykd6734]

@@deefaison3730 Well 2 miles to the fish hatchery, which was familiar is ALOT different than 18 miles up the mountain. But yes I never would have let my 3 yo old go.

[@heathernikki5734]

He did, his interviews are SAD

[@TomiiBear]

It's always interesting listening to someone retelling this story of Jared. His father was my middle school gym teacher & listening him talk about the case was heartbreaking.

[@phaedrapage4217]

I've heard it covered on a couple other channels and it's always really bothered me that out of ELEVEN adults, not a single one was smart enough to keep an eye on the little guy! There should have been a specific person appointed to each of those kids, someone designated to stay by them at all times, even the older sister was young enough to need constant supervision out there. AND they should've gone back to the lodge directly from the hatchery to get permission to take the kids on that hike, there's a big difference between taking someone else's young children a couple miles down the road with permission and taking those children another 16 miles down the road and out into the wilderness. It was disrespectful to the father and a very reckless bonehead move on the part of every single one of those "Christian Singles" morons. My heart goes out to the father who needlessly lost his baby boy that day. I hope everyone else on that hike is forever haunted by their stupidity, the only exception being the little girl. And sadly she is probably the only one who is haunted by the loss of her brother. Sorry for such a lengthy response to your comment but this case just makes my blood boil.

[@snackbarqueen]

I agree ! All of the adults that were with Jared and the two fisherman totally failed Jared that day 😡 It is completely their fault imo, I know technically they didn’t do anything criminal but they are all responsible imo…. So very sad and disgusting and tragic 😢💔

[@katiekane5247]

​@@phaedrapage4217and you know they're all looking for marriage and starting a family. Failed the pre-test

[@GenX_files]

Don't forget the sheriff's department that wouldn't accept any help. This case infuriates me as a parent and hell as a human. Poor man my heart breaks for him

[@meggie11102]

Sad Mike invoked some ghost story-spooky story comparison, randomly in the middle tho. The family and Jaryd deserve more respect.

[@andreagurney7797]

I swear, it's like no one in the first case has had small children. A 3 year old's ability to defy logic and end up in places and situations you'd think was impossible is always astounding and that's with responsible adults watching. Now apply that to a child by himself in the woods. He doesn't need to by hypothermic to take his clothes off. I never thought I'd ask the question "Where are your clothes?" so many times followed by "No don't climb that!" "Get down!"

[@tfantasyfan]

i was thinking along these lines too (no children of my own, but nephews and nieces lol). toddlers will defy logic every time in their own homes, in daycare, in stores etc. out in the woods? absolutely. i don't think there was any foul play involved with the first case. just... a 3 year old and a group of adults who failed him. two groups of adults if we count the fishermen, which i do.

[@SandroilaKook]

The first story is so frustrating. A group of adults, deciding to take a 3 year old to a place they didn't agree upon with his father, then not having him stay with the group/ having someone dedicated to look after him and then letting him run ahead. Not even trying to catch him, but just slowly walking after him. A freaking 3 years old.

[@scarletred8888]

That was what really shocked me - no permission from the parents to take this small child off into the forest, basically a toddler who needed to be carefully watched. The two fishermen - unbelievably careless and negligent. So sad.

[@PaulAstier]

I found a lone toddler near the waters edge, crying at venice beach califirnia once. I picked up the kid and wemt looking for a cop or a ranger to give him to. Ran into hus dad about 300 yards away... Watching people playing street basketball. He had never even noticed that the kid was missing. I still kick myself for not grabbing that dad by his throat and dragging him all the way back to where i found his kid. He just sat the kid down on the bench next to himself and never stopped watching basketball. Never even looked at me.

[@qweqeqeqdsx22222]

Wow!! What a terrible story… he’s so lucky you found him! Thank you❤

[@mccartyzoe]

Sad but I’m glad u were there

[@erikaweger2829]

Wow that's awful. I found our distant neighbors kid walking in the middle of the road, she was almost 2 I was 19. Thankfully we live in a small town and thr road she was in was in a small area not even big enough to consider a subdivision. She was in a diaper and shirt and when i brought her back to there house with what I found I should have brought her and the other 2 kids all under 5 that were there back to my mom's where I was staying but I was 19 and surprisingly still very naive considering all I'd been through. Now those girls have been adopted by some of the moms family and are living a way better life and the mom had a boy after that she surprisingly managed to keep.

[@erikaweger2829]

So glad you found them, I can believe some people choose to have kids and then act like that

[@malachi-]

Paul grabs kids dad by throat and drags him to ocean beach... news at 11.

[@phaedrapage4217]

Sometimes I watch these videos just to hear the "I love ya" at the end. Mike understands that we all need to hear those words more often. Such a good guy. ❤

[@crownviclx2000]

🙄

[@monilangeKootenays]

It's nice, yes

[@Cyanapanasati]

@@phaedrapage4217 if you've watched him from way back, there's actually a video where tells us to he loves us for the time. He was kind of nervous saying it. Super cute. I remember that day. Lovely parasocial relationship I've had Mike over the years. Hehe

[@Appellonia]

And the eye wink...I can't LIVE without the eye wink.

[@paulcarpenter7844]

🤔

[@kmdn1]

I thought the stone staircases in the woods were remnants of very old cabins, houses, various buildings. I grew up attending a Quaker meetinghouse and there was a random 5 or 6 step set of stairs. I was always told it was meant for mounting and dismounting your horse or carriage.

[@grf15]

I worked two summers as a Towerman (Fire Watcher) in Alberta. I lived more than 20 kilometers from any city or town. Except when they brought my food order (by helicopter), I never saw a human being from May to September. 100 ft tower, with living quarters on ground level. I enjoyed myself immensely.

[@Silenceisgolden25]

What did you do for fun? Read? I’m assuming you didn’t have cell service or am I wrong? I’d love to hear more

[@FLOSSYTREADWELL]

@@Silenceisgolden25 I know it wasn't me you asked but for my two penneth, before internet, I'd read, as you mention, I had mountains of books I'd take to the swap store. Crime books of course :-). I loved puzzles too, crosswords, before sudoku, These keep me sharp now in my later years, as does Mike & my patreon family. I love reading your comments here & feeling like part of something. So I get you asking what grf15 did for fun. Other things were pastimes but this is much more than that.

[@kn8258]

I’m from Alberta, hope you seen some cool sites from up there!

[@watchdog8058]

sounds amazing!

[@TheKim369]

When I was a kid, I went with a group to see one of those towers in Northern Alberta. It was looked after by a very sweet older couple, who had 22 kids! I guess they found some ways to fill their time!

[@fairladykd6734]

I've heard about the little Jarod case before but never did they say the trail was 18 miles away. I didn't realize they got in their cars and drove up the mountain. (Thank You for covering it better than anyone) AND without asking the children's Father - how could they?

[@TraceyWales-nl4dm]

I thought the same. Especially since the dad first said no but it sounds like the adults were like ,” no it’ll be fine , just a little walk ..” but to then put both kids in a vehicle and drive away without asking or anything?? Very strange.

[@sparkleysr1983]

Yes!!! Totally never heard that before either, and that's crazy!! Insanely irresponsible and super sad..

[@amodernalchemist432]

Jaryd's case has always bothered me since the day I heard it. Why _no one_ in that group took responsibility and looked after the _toddler_ since his dad wasn't with them, is the question that still remains with me to this day. The pain his father endured losing his son due to the incompetence of others is just unfathomable. 🕯😔

[@sumbunniii8721]

Key word, his dad wasn’t with him. His dad allowed his 3 year old to go off with literal strangers in the woods nonetheless

[@ShoutItFromTheHousetops]

I would think that somehow legally they’d all be charged with neglect and endangerment of a child. To walk away without taking any responsibility seems wrong.

[@valerieavellanet5204]

Yes, now we know why they were in a singles group and likely to remain so. They dont know Jack shite how to look after and care for anyone .

[@lucinamendez4566]

1. when kids take oof their clothes the yare always inside out. 2. every time a kid goes ,missing they are always blown away about how far a kid can get. Sadly, I really do think he took off his own clothes ( as kids do) and either died due to the elements and was scavenged, or was killed by an animal. It is very very very sad.

[@aVerveQuest]

I've been out and deeply isolated areas of the woods and nothing is more unsettling than encountering someone who you do not expect to be there. Once camping out I remember being awoken by a man screaming his head off incoherently on the nearby trail. This is miles and miles away from anything remotely considered a road and it was one of the most terrifying things I've encountered

[@KathyHussey063]

a Squatch !!

[@Starry_Skye22]

While I am a believer in the Squatch and things unknown. I feel like running into other humans in the deep, deep woods unexpectedly, would be pretty terrifying. Even more so at a night.

[@KathyHussey063]

@@Starry_Skye22 yes, that these days is scary enough.

[@Phearsum]

Wasn't screaming but I heard a group reciting some woowoo cult nonsense in Appalachia. Peaked out of my bivy tent and in the distance were a bunch of silhouettes with horns and wolf looking masks around a bonfire. I couldn't see anything but outlines when they turned. But it was enough to have me shook. I clutched my 10mm with a round chambered and got my 2 extra magazines out. Kinda just laid there tense, listening, hoping nobody stumbled my way to use the bathroom or whatever.. By the time the sun came I was audi 5000 and literally didn't holster my gun the whole day.. It was my in hand for the next 30 miles incase they'd lingered and saw me leaving the area.. I didn't stop moving until legitimate muscle failure. Took me almost 2 days to get back to my vehicle. I slept right there in the parking lot. I haven't done a solo thruhike since.

[@Catglittercrafts]

@@Phearsum what if they were just LARPing or filming a Indy movie and you were going to shoot them?

[@anthonyzummo867]

I am amazed at how many adults failed that little kid in the woods. 3 years old and you leave him alone because you hear a group one hundred yards back? That's still too young to just leave a 3 year old until you actually see the group he belongs to. Especially with predators in the forest. Then what good is a forest ranger if they see a child trying to get away from an adult and the ranger just walks away instead of investigating why the child was acting up. Maybe I am too cautious when it comes to young children but this just seemed completely insane to me.

[@007jbond1]

Maybe it was the ranger....he sounds like a suspect covering his tracks...

[@phaedrapage4217]

When it comes to young children, out in the woods, there's no such thing as too cautious! Especially if they are someone else's kids who have been entrusted to you! There are so many predators, of both the 4-legged and 2-legged varieties.

[@davidpaul6656]

I'm wondering why the "Christians" didn't tell the young boy to slow down and stick with them. Not very responsible.

[@circlecityzombie]

Don't act like that since their Christians that played or should even be talked about as part of what happened yr letting yr biased opinion about Christians reflect on what yr opinion is when it shouldn't of been brought up but ok you hate Christians so it's part of her everyday life

[@richmondvand147]

my thoughts exactly would have stayed there or called out and given them a how to not be the Usain Bolt of dying

[@josephfriedrich9792]

20:45 I grew up playing in the woods and mountains. We had a friend who always wore sweatpants and a hoodie, and would always snag them and complain about the rips. One day he was trying to slide down a mountain, but a branch snagged one of his pants ankles, causing him to timble and removing his pants, flipping them inside out.

[@azoreysaint9636]

Great point

[@Findpepperbridge]

Yup.. it’s definitely possible for this to happen. That kid was only three too

[@malaxmels4929]

Thats a possibility for the pants but the skull cap and the shoes being in great condition is not normal.

[@TheCaptaininsaino]

@@malaxmels4929 My husband has a pair of crocs he uses when he cuts the grass. They stay on a patio stone outside of the shed and he only puts them on for yard work. They've been there year round for 11yrs. Our winters last about 5mos, lots of snow. Those shoes look perfectly fine.

[@jturtle5318]

A predator could easily peel the pants off inside out.

[@melissa-or6jc]

I live about 30 minutes from the Poudre Canyon and grew up camping it a lot. It's incredibly dense and rocky, I can't believe so many adults didn't keep an eye on this 3 year old!

[@danielsass1826]

I find a 3 year old in the woods I'm staying with him until someone says yes I am responsible for this kid. But what the fishermen did is nothing compared to all the adults who were there to watch him and just didn't. Bc ppl take kids. Did these people just forget that?? Wtf

[@thegreencat9947]

If I found a 3 year old alone in the woods...I'd be with him until I found his folks. And then give them a large piece of my mind. Grrr. I would still be wary about his welfare.

[@Nellbae]

EXACTLY!! Anything less is mind-boggling to me.

[@joywagner979]

People take kids AND the wilderness takes kids. Even if there were no other people in the rest of the entire forest ... there are so many ways for a child to go missing forever. Heck, the wilderness takes grown adults too! A woman once lost her life by straying not very far from the Appalachian Trail and being unable to find her way back. She set up camp and slowly starved before anyone could find her. Many more people have been lost to injury, animal attacks, and sudden weather events that had nothing to do with other people at all. Too many variables. Always tell people where you're going if you go out alone, and even then ... be careful.

[@sumbunniii8721]

If I were a father I would never allow my 3 year old to go with literal strangers in the woods nonetheless

[@mimisezlol]

It's not even just people, there are plenty of animals that'd grab a lone child and make a feast of them. Do people just forget that animals exist??

[@Brandon84J]

As soon as you said "put that in your pipe and smoke it" I immediately glanced over at my pipe and was like... I don't have work for 3 hours... sure lol

[@dawnbanovich5915]

😂😂😂

[@Ron-d2s]

way ahead of you.

[@jaysonchrzanowski9230]

I always get blunted before I watch a Mike video!

[@Brandon84J]

@@jaysonchrzanowski9230 It's fun, isn't it?! lol

[@Brandon84J]

@@Ron-d2s Cheers yo

[@user-ng8nw2px6q]

Hey Mike, I grew up in a small town called Blythe Ca. A man named Ronnie Deere killed a man and his two daughters in revenge. the guy was crazy he was caught in the local park and he was stabbing himself before the police captured him.Deere, a Sioux and Choctaw Indian who also uses the name “Running Deere,” pleaded guilty to the first-degree murder in the killing of Donald Davis and second-degree murder in the killings of Davis’ daughters, Michelle and Melissa, in Blythe in 1982. His plea of guilty was accepted after a court-appointed psychiatrist found him mentally competent. I was wondering if maybe you could please cover that story? No one has ever covered that murder on youtube, I've looked. Thank you.

[@horsetowater]

Thumbs up to that! Get Mike's eyeballs on this!

[@pattybarnett4910]

I would love to hear the story.

[@jonathanpark7245]

The big murder story from my home town has been covered by every news station and every true crime channel for 35 years.

[@alisonp2412]

@@jonathanpark7245 what story is that one ?

[@Billy.at.Raccoon]

Thumbs up for Mike

[@Blue-Hawk-Legend]

Just a tip guys but when you go out to the wilderness camping,hiking,spirit walk,etc might be wise to have an e-perb device on every single person,a cell phone for everyone and a tracking device small enough (like airtag) to fit in your picket or shoe where it can't be seen by an abductor or strange disappearance in the woods like this story.

[@judithgannon5642]

Good information- never heard of it. But I was thinking they sounded like amateur hikers as well as child tenders. By which I mean they had no business going deeper or taking a tiny kid there.

[@Blue-Hawk-Legend]

@judithgannon5642 David paulides was a real detective for a decade or more. He's been researching and using his detective skills for about that same amount of time if not longer. This isn't a one time off kind of a thing,theres horspots all over the world not just in america where people disspesr in national parks,trails,camping areas,hiking you name it. And the person just like the father watched his kid go behind the tree every second he had his eyes on him and he just dissapeared.

[@amouzakis]

Brilliant idea!

[@jcollins3182]

Airtags, such a great idea! Thank you!!

[@stickysweet1084]

It's terrifying how easy it is to get lost in national parks. One minute someone is there the next they're gone. There's so much ground that needs to be covered if you are looking for lost too. Stay safe out there.

[@bobthetitanic]

Easy would be millions

[@KaladinVegapunk]

That singles group of cultists already creeps me the hell out, I wouldn't want to go into the woods with weird religious types, but still sucks to see people get hurt or lost like that

[@CatchersCatch]

They fall victim to the beasts of the other realm.

[@KaladinVegapunk]

I'm just confused why the two fishermen didn't make sure the kid got back to his group, what's the rush? If a random kid came up I'd be like kid where's your people? And hearing them nearby id walk him back, if he was trying to run away because of what the priests probably did to him id understand but didn't seem like it

[@bjj9711]

I wouldn't get lost

[@AmandaLeigh1004]

Jaryd's case keeps me up at night and is the reason any time--I mean it, ANY TIME--I see a child off from a group, no matter where I am, I keep my eyes on the child until I see them run to an adult. When I was young and my family was on an outing, my dad would tell my sister and I "You've got two hands, and if one of them is not holding mine or mom's hand, we've got a problem." The expression is "If everyone's watching the child, no one is watching the child," I've heard it regarding many cases but Jaryd is the reason that phrase is always in my mind when I see a kid on their own.

[@kathleenmckenna4004]

...tell my sister and ME get grammarly

[@cherrymetha3185]

That’s a great saying by your father . He’s a great father !

[@spaomalley]

@@kathleenmckenna4004 Are you telling them to use Grammarly so that they can be more grammatically incorrect?

[@amywill9185]

Me too! I will never let a kid get hurt or snatched or lost on my grandma watch

[@ns4725]

Weirdo

[@rosebud1659]

My college was inside a National Forest (it’s a school that focuses on wildlife management, park ranger training, ecology & biology, etc.) and the dorms were located right on an unofficial trail. Well, one day, i walked further into the woods than usual & got full on LOST! I went to the highest point i could find and still could only see trees. It was early spring so luckily things hadn’t leafed out completely and i could still see where the sun was in the sky. Also lucky i was able to use my phone’s compass and i walked east until i walked INTO THE TOWN near the college. MILES i walked. The sun was nearly set by the time i got to the street. There was a point where i was fully prepared to have to stay out in the woods for the night and thankfully i had a blanket, water & snacks. I was so afraid that i was going to have to find enough signal to call for help and be absolutely humiliated (which would’ve been fine) but i was able to calmly get myself to safety. Just goes to show how quickly and easily you can get turned around in a place you’ve known for years.

[@wmluna381]

What state was this in?

[@rosebud1659]

@@wmluna381 Ohio 😊

[@Nellbae]

It just doesn't make sense to me that two adults would see a 3 year old in the woods and just walk away like, "Oh, I'm sure he'll be okay." I'm sorry, but this is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Who in their right mind would leave an unaccompanied toddler IN THE WOODS without confirming he was 100% safe and not left ALONE period. WTH

[@Geospasmic]

I can't believe the horrible negligence of all those adults. Every one of them let that baby down. It was the father's responsibility, but I can't imagine finding a toddler in the woods and just letting him wander off because I assumed his group was nearby.

[@theimpossiblemary]

The father should have designated a responsible adult, but he had no idea they would change their mind and venture 18 miles apart of their intended destination. He is not responsible. I am sure he would have never let him go if he even suspected they would go deeper into the woods.

[@sumbunniii8721]

@@theimpossiblemaryexactly. The father was most irresponsible

[@jdhorror]

Honestly, when my kids were 7 and 3, I didn't care how much I knew and trusted anyone. If we were camping or hiking, they didn't leave my sight. My kids are the physical representation of my heart and soul, as long as I'm alive nothing will ever happen to them.

[@distantnow0]

Amen to that 🙏

[@sheenabeena2874]

As a parent who lives for my children every second of the day...gave up my career as a police officer to be a stay-at-home mother...I can not comprehend more parents than not & the lack of parenting 😢

[@Dontbecheekyonce]

I live in Ireland and camp hike. I understand all kids are different but I wouldn't let my kid at 3 go , my kids at 3 yrs old wouldn't go without me !

[@breigesheppard8339]

👍👏👏👏👏🙏🏻

[@stonedsasquatch]

I've spent my whole life on the Appalachia trail on one region or another. I'd pick a momma bear over the city any day kind of family. There's nothing that will make me take my eyes off my 6yo when camping hiking. I know just how quick stuff goes south when you don't know what's what around you

[@Mr.SnekMeister]

Oceans and Forests feel the same to me, vast, never ending and mysterious. As well as terrifying because of darkness and it being very easy to get lost in. They are all-consuming.

[@alliebean3235]

the last story reminds me of a family friend - he's an insanely fit man, walks a trail that took my family 4 days in a single day on a regular basis. he had a bad fall on a hike years ago now and broke his back - it was only when he didn't show up to the pickup point that his daughter called search and rescue. he was found, thankfully, and made a full recovery! he had a geolocator and satellite phone on him at the time, but they were in his pack that got separated from his body in the fall and it took him days to drag himself the few meters to his pack to send out his location. if you're going hiking in a remote location, always have someone waiting for you that know approximately when to expect you back, and ALWAYS have a geolocator attached to your body, not your pack, it could quite literally save your life

[@sandrafaith]

Jaryd's story is rage-inducing. Extending a short jaunt to a major hike with a couple of small children in tow is extremely irresponsible--I'm sure the folks on the hike are guilt-ridden, but I can't believe not ONE of them thought, "Hm, would their dad be OK with taking them an extra 16 miles?" Maybe one person could have brought the kids back?? My heart breaks for his dad and his family.

[@amg8497]

Those fisherman should never have walked away “assuming” his group was coming soon so let’s just get fishing !… And that group should never have let a 3 yr old more than 2 ft away from them … what’s with people ! … come on ! … irresponsible on all levels

[@highanx13ty44]

Such a frustrating story. Could have easily been prevented multiple times.

[@wejsmith5446]

Guys have a dilemma. One of the first thoughts if a guy finds a child (context of lost/safe/would likely be unknown, childs demeanor a factor as well) is, "I dont want to get "caught" with this kid and get blamed for this or that." So if there was a group nearby, the avg guy may just tell the kid run back to his group and once the child was heading that direction, my "responsibility" would be done. Its maybe a little hard to understand if youre not a guy. But idk

[@AB-un4io]

The fishermen, as another commenter stated, seem as though they’re sus-imo.

[@stonedsasquatch]

If you really think 2 grown men with plenty of wilderness experience would let a 3yo off on his own with no signs of adults? Would never happen. Either they were lying or they were responsible

[@DuckGoat-mr9tu]

​@wejsmith5446 I agree but I would rather get investigated for pedo stuff than leave a kid in the middle of the woods to potentially go missing. I guess it just depends if someone has a child of their own or not.

[@MissDomiZ]

I can't believe not one adult offered to drive those children back before going off on the hike. That makes me so angry 😡

[@KnottyCeltic]

or even call the dad from the hatchery to say this is what we're going to do, is it ok the kids come with us. I'm sure the dad would have said, no I'll come pick them up and you can go on your hike, unencumbered by 2 little kids.

[@tiredofitall9213]

​@@KnottyCeltic Back in 1999 cell phones weren't very affordable. I know in 1997 (I was 18) I borrowed a cell phone to go on a trip to the beach with a couple friends. I only used it 3-4 times to let my parents know we were there and on my way back on the highway. I owed the girl $300 for 4 phone calls!?! Not everyone had one or could afford one. However, I do agree someone should have taken the kids back or at the very least watched them like a hawk while walking!?!

[@SematerySyren]

I can’t believe dad let his kids esp a toddler go off with strangers

[@KathyHussey063]

@@SematerySyren he knew them

[@gigglemaniarunninwild2207]

How could there be so many flippantly careless adults in the woods that day? All of them ignoring a 3 year old wandering alone in the woods! A 3 YEAR OLD!!!

[@sumbunniii8721]

Especially the father who trusted said random strangers with his 3 year old child!

[@JustKrista50]

People hear "Christian" and think that person can be trusted. Which is exactly why sociopaths and monsters claim they're Christian. I never let my children go anywhere until they were able to talk full sentences and knew more about "right vs wrong" However, I don't blame the father at all. He trusted a group of adults to be able to watch 1 child. Poor Alan.

[@johndavis9432]

They might think that but just because someone claims to be religious doesn't mean they wouldn't do something awful.

[@davidlionheart2438]

As soon as I hear "Christian" I automatically know they can't be trusted.

[@cherylcampbell9369]

100% ! Religion is often used by predators as a cover. Both traditional religions and 'new age'.

[@katemangos1705]

The more devout someone is to God, the more sins they are trying to pray away. Look at Latter Day Saints aka Mormons; I think about 25% os true crime cases come from these people. Or a very devout Christian decides that it's better to kill their spouse than divorce them. How is that for logic.

[@scorpiouk5914]

There is much truth to your statement, which is why I am a Christian and don't go to church. Many, many monsters hiding in churches.

[@Fanati_XX]

Always I mean always have a 3yr old on a sight. How can u let him go so far ahead you actually lost him, not to mention in forrest you dont even know. Thats so crazy to me.

[@KnottyCeltic]

Yes, and it's someone else's child/children. Not your own child but you would feel even more vigilant about someone else's child that you have charge of. Out of all those people, not one thought to call the dad and tell him that they planned to go 18 miles away with his children to go on a walking trail? If they'd done that the dad would more than likely have said no, let me come get the kids so you can go hiking on your own. The whole story is bizarre. The fishermen part of the story is insane. No grown men would let a 3 year old wander around with them joking and then let him go off on his own to find his hiking party. That is the most suspect thing I've ever heard in my life.

[@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim]

@@KnottyCeltic they didn’t have cell phones back then

[@sumbunniii8721]

How can the father allow his 3 year old to go with literal strangers is my concern

[@funkypops484]

As a land surveyor, I’ve been In some pretty thick, nasty ridiculous condition woods. In my experience, it is very easy to get turned around and lost in the woods. I usually have to break branches or blaze a small trail to find my way back. I know what your thinking, “just tie flagging to the trees for a trail”. You really don’t want to tie flagging all over the place because it gets extremely confusing when random pieces of flagging are everywhere. Plus a lot of these people are a bunch of “trail hikers”, which is so easy that kids do it. They think they can handle going off the safety of said trails and mess up.

[@anna9072]

Yes, people REALLY underestimate how easy it is to get completely turned around once you get off a clear path. Even experienced hikers can become confused.

[@aboutfeddy]

​@@anna9072 the last one still baffles me though, cos I seem to understand she didn't venture too far from the trail and it was literally just for toilet issue. Could it be that she felt dizzy afterwards or had some salt imbalance that made her have a sudden brain fog? 😢

[@anna9072]

⁠@@aboutfeddyshe would probably have wanted to be far enough into the bush to be out of sight - so if she went far enough that no one could see her it means she also couldn’t see anyone, and may have gotten turned around and gone in the wrong direction.

[@fair98fair]

Is there good money in surveying?

[@lc2962]

The first story about the 3 year old boy is shocking, but the fact that 11 adults didn’t watch closely a very young child is shocking & outrageous. What happened to his 6 year old sister & the other 9 adults?

[@lucyhallis9814]

The sister was okay as it was only the brother who was missing.

[@sumbunniii8721]

The fact his own father trusted random strangers with his 3 year old child is the most surprising

[@belle9438]

I've always had a problem with the little boy getting lost. All those adults and none of them watching. They shouldn't have agreed to take him and the dad shouldn't have let either child go. Because really, how well do you know someone? I could not have taken my eyes of either child. They are to be protected at all cost.

[@dadeee7776]

Yea I mean he knew someone so thought they would’ve kept the child close, like any normal caring adult would tell the kid dont run out of sight and run after them when they go out of site

[@Fanati_XX]

@@dadeee7776 I think the father allowed the kid to go but didnt say to anyone, hey you are the one responsible for this kid. So in fact the boy was with the group but actually alone if that makes sense. No one felt like watching him, no one was really concerned about where he is or what he does at a time. Just relying on others, they will take care of it.

[@dadeee7776]

@@Fanati_XX yea group mentality I guess, I took the father as knowing someone in the trail as him hitting them up, idk no matter who it is I’m either keeping up with the kid or telling him to stay with me

[@Fanati_XX]

@@dadeee7776 Ye group mentality is the right term. So many of us, what can go wrong. They sewerly underestimated everything. They even were in the area they didnt know. Just mind boggling negligence

[@corvidsRcool]

@@dadeee7776 That group mentality is a serious issue with little kids and big gatherings where there is water (pool/lake,/etc) too. Kids end up drowning or nearly drowning surrounded by adults because no one is *actually* watching. Everyone assumes someone else is, instead of assigning one (sober, able to awim) person at a time to be on "guard duty"

[@fallenking578]

The people who are like "why was there no blood on the clothes if a mountains lion attacked" underestimate a) what people do when they are scared. Kids trip, strip off pants and keep running if they are scared enough (had a friends kid do that when he thought he was being chased by a bear) b) a mountain lion isn't going to drag a 3 year old, it's going to pick up a 3 year old, quite easily. A bear will too. They regularly carry pray to places and don't kill or maul right away. C) I've done experiments with my classmates in collage. Most people cannot tell the difference between a fear scream, a lay scream, or an "I'm in danger" scream of a child they aren't around alot. The account of "it was just a play scream" is not a reliable account it very likely was a fear or death scream. D) these adults were inexperienced and apparently has no idea how kids behave and that an adult should ALWAYS accompany a child. They were stupid as best or just did not care for the child's safety at worse. Both mean they should not be around kids in the future and I doubt the father will ever fully forgive them. That poor child should have been safe, should have just gone to the original destination, but ignorance and negligence lead to him being brutally killed.

[@Druchii]

Thank god someone with a brain. I hate how everything devolves to murder and kidnapping but the wilderness is far more likely to kill you than anyone you’re going to meet. Even the most experienced hikers can walk off path and end up dead simply by getting lost, breaking a leg or meeting the wrong animal. A little kid by himself didn’t stand a chance. Also I fully agree, it’s almost impossible for people to tell the difference between a scream of joy and terror and if it was just a short scream it certainly aligns with the mountain lion theory given how quick they are. Absolutely horrible case but people need to respect the wilderness more before claiming everything is murder, kidnapping, human trafficking etc. the most simple and boring answer 99% of the time is the answer. Missing 411 and other ‘spooky’ mysterious are not mysterious. Exposure, starvation and dehydration kill quickly and a human is very hard to find in dense forest and once bone may never be found. Jared deserved better.

[@HelloJellojrl]

When Humans in general are scared enough you can have a broken ankle and just keep running ignoring it completely as fear and adrenaline override your system and nothing but the thought of "survive" is pushing you forwards. People also underestimate how stealthy cougars actually are, they're called "Ghost cats" in some regions for a reason, you don't know their there until they want you to and 99% of the time they don't wild cats of all kinds can easily jump from there perch, onto the path, grab a 3 year old child by it's throat (who avg weigh between 30-40pds) and disappear into the woods all within 3 seconds. the child will be their than when you turn around, gone. it's a miracle if they even get a scream out. cougars can drag deer carcasses up trees like its nothing and a female deer is 155 pds on the light side. and on another note even if it was just a "Playful scream" that's still concerning. was the child screaming the entire time? if not than what happened to make them suddenly scream. if it was a stranger popping out at them, now the child is with a stranger in the middle of the woods. if it was because the child found something that was exiting what was it that suddenly had them screaming. they can see a cougar and go "big cat!" even if it was something harmless like a frog or butterfly once again its a 3 year old, they will happily follow a frog off the path and get completely lost.

[@EliteBladesGaming]

I still think an animal grabbing him makes the most sense, would a three year old recognise the inherent danger of a wild animal; or would they think it's cool until the animal attacks? That could explain the scream being more excited before suddenly being cut off.

[@purplep6070]

​@voiceofreason6686 You have issues.

[@seandelap8587]

National park disappearances are among the most creepy

[@carolyngair7051]

Google Missing 411 and David Paulides’ take on this stuff

[@tishbite3598]

Yes! I’ve been heavily into the missing411 for years now

[@CantTellYou]

to quote the guy with the wild hair from the memes…. “ALIENS”

[@smapili]

Giorgio A. Tsoukalos lol

[@ValC-vn5vl]

Wow! I’m amazed that the group didn’t look after the child, but that the two fishermen decided that a 3 year old was ok by himself and not bothering to ensure his safety. 😢

[@Rhino1931]

You’re a park ranger; you see a three year old trying to get away from an adult to run over to you, and you don’t think that’s suspicious enough to at least check in on? Find a new job.

[@rosellavaughn5394]

Hard agree

[@Skwirl-Girl]

@@Rhino1931 Thank You! Isn't that covered in like day 1 of Park Ranger training?

[@Rhino1931]

@@Skwirl-Girl you’d certainly think so 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@pyxelated2468]

Yeah I would think being in park ranger training class the first lesson is “anything that isn’t a tree should be considered suspicious “ 😅😅

[@CelebrianUndomiel]

I mean, if you see someone wrangling a child, your first thought is generally not "oh that child has been kidnapped." Mostly you assume that they're a frustrated parent. But yeah more training on the difference between an annoyed parent and a child genuinely in a bad situation is probably needed.

[@davewilson9738]

You left a three year old on a mountain trail...ON HIS OWN? There is no reason why they didn't just walk him to or wait with him, until the group arrived. I can't believe they did that.

[@makinnewcounts6676]

Yeah that was half murder...maybe give them half a year in prison every year for life.

[@MrNobody91]

Yeah that's why ion believe a lot of their story. Like, it couldn't have been that much outta their way to just stand at the fork til the group arrived and u knew he was safe and all. Also, not too long after he's heard making one small scream or something and no one ahead of them saw him either? But also, I question the whole thing w the ones who happened to find the clothes too. Like clothes that deff didn't seem to b there for 3 years, you just happened to "be talking bout a case that happened 3 years before and then just happen to dind the clothes". And also on s trail im sure hundreds if not thousands had walked in the 3 years since, that dont seem legit either. Too many questions in this case.

[@makinnewcounts6676]

@@MrNobody91 they are guilty man no more questions needed onto the next!

[@MrNobody91]

@makinnewcounts6676 huh? I was agreeing with you for the most part and wasn't asking or saying anything else really lmao 🤣 😂 🙃 😅. My only other thing was the guys who "found the clothes" with all that the examiners said seemed a bit fishy with their story and how it was said the clothes looked new still, not weathered, tho it could've been coincidence they happened to find them when they did.

[@MrNobody91]

@makinnewcounts6676 But as I said, I thought the most guilty sounding of them all was the fishermen. But tbh, you kinda have to look at everyone and every aspect in these things tbh. Solely looking at only one person is how things are missed irl.

[@MintyZay777]

Who leaves a three year old by themselves. All of those adults just let him, A THREE YEAR OLD, walk at his own pace in the woods…

[@micheleshively8557]

Unbelievable. So negligent 😢

[@SematerySyren]

What parent lets a toddler leave with strangers

[@ferrellsl]

The father also bears some blame in all of this. What father in his right mind entrusts his 3 year old toddler to a group of strangers on a wilderness hike?

[@meelybdeely3496]

​@@ferrellsl he very clearly stated at the beginning of the video that the children were familiar with an individual in the group.

[@ferrellsl]

@@meelybdeely3496 I don't care who the children were familiar with. It isn't the job of familiars to take care of someone else's 3 year old child! It's the mom or dad's responsibility unless they're at school or in a daycare center...period! This father at best is a few short cards of having a full deck and at worst he should be charged with child neglect/endangerment

[@LuckySpinster.]

all my adolescent years roaming the Australian bush near my home town. Both alone and with friends, day and night. I was never lost, never felt alone, and never in fear. Some of my best memories are there. These stories are frightening

[@amye1642]

Tragic story! Things to maybe consider: -3yr olds wear clothes inside out often -Colorado winters would preserve the shoes for months at a time -Mountain lions are mostly likely to go for the smallest and weakest member of a group

[@Someaddress555s]

If it was in that particular spot in the photo, and I do think I remember it was at the top of a boulder field, it's possible a small slide happened and he was crushed with his shoes happening to be in an air pocket to stop them from creasing the rubber soles. Some homeless person or other hiker comes across them and lays them out to be seen, but doesn't want any of the attention for whatever reason. Also I think it was on the south side of the river, so it would be cool and likely have snow 8 or 9 months a year to help preserve clothing under a small rock slide.

[@AdrienneCarolCasteleijn]

Left my son with x husband and his wife she was very friendly so sweet that she forgot my son in her car and went shopping when she got back he was fitting and frothing. When i went to fetch him the next day he looked tired. I thought he had flu or food poisoning . Magically the hosp they took him to phoned me to check on my details and bill etc. When i heard what happened rushed him to hosp. My son was fine after a while and i never spoke to her again. 25 yrs later she committed suicide. Never trust anyone with your kids and never have routine esp when they young.

[@katiekane5247]

Oh jeeze, that's scary 😟

[@rastra1321]

Thank God he was ok. 😮❤

[@MegCazalet]

Oh my gosh! How long was she shopping? I’ve heard of adults forgetting to drop their kids off at daycare and going into routine-mode, spending a whole day in the office with their child suffering and dying in their car. Many aren’t prosecuted because it’s felt to be a genuine accident, though some have been, deservedly, because those cases did seem an intentional “accident”. (Justin Ross Harris.) How did that woman idly go shopping, something that wasn’t routine?! And then she and the child’s father BOTH hid it from you!? Do you think what she did to herself later was related? Does your son know what she did to him, and what she and his dad did to you, hiding what happened?

[@alrightyru]

Step monster, I'm glad your son is back with you

[@TraceyWales-nl4dm]

OMG ! That’s crazy ! Your ex just wasn’t going to tell you ???!!!! Wow. I’m so thankful he recovered.

[@lisabisco3583]

11 christians and 2 fisherman didn't have enough sense to keep track of a 3 yo boy. Unbelievable 😡

[@Anita-ej3rp]

"Christians?"😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Klapauzius-369]

@@Anita-ej3rp A Christian Group. Yes.

[@Anita-ej3rp]

@@Klapauzius-369 Wow that went right over your head, I'm not surprised.

[@isveryrill1234567]

@@Anita-ej3rp I think it went over mine too--wth are you talking about?

[@stickinug]

Christians have a reeeeally bad track record when it comes to caring for children and keeping them safe

[@blacklilac2788]

What in the criminal negligence is that first story!?

[@Kevin-q9p1e]

My life has been total shite lately, but every Tuesday my spirits are uplifted by you xo

[@milknhoneyhoney]

Same here brother. Mike is a savior in the darkness. Lmao

[@WickedWest512]

I feel ya. !

[@widow237]

♥️

[@keryeeastin4022]

Keep your head up brother ❤

[@keryeeastin4022]

​@@milknhoneyhoney❤ tomorrow is always a fresh start, make it a great one.

[@kellywilliams5112]

I live in the Poudre, I encounter and watch mountain lions so often living here its everyday life.. I have no doubts it was a mountain lion, the scream was cut short by being grabbed by the back of the neck breaking the spine, that's why the scream didn't make the terrified level one would expect, that's how mountain lions hunt, I have seen mountain lions carry a full-grown deer, up an almost sheer rock face with only the deer's hooves touching the ground, you don't think they can't carry a 3 yr old child off the ground, jumping from boulder to boulder? which would leave no drag marks on shoes, I've had them carry off baby calves the same way, I have seen them pull the hide off deer in sheets almost degloving the animal, so it doesn't surprise me it stripped the clothes off, I think then Jared was put in a food cache and buried, and the items were then scattered by other animals into the environment much later and why they appeared newer. The shoes were found together sitting on a rock, but I think someone hiked that trail, saw the shoes and set them there, it may have been in spring with snow still covering the other items or Ft Collins is a college town, it could have been a person from out of state who had never heard the Jared story, so they didn't know what they were looking at, the last two men DID know the Jared story so it was immediate that's something!. BTW this area has numerous mountain lion attacks, Jared isn't the only one, recently a jogger, who had to strangle a mountain lion attacking him because the cat wouldn't give up, even though the guy got away several times it just kept coming. we can't keep stressing a animal's environment and then expect them not to change their habits to survive. and unfortunately, in that poor little boys' case, irresponsible and ignorant adults, and a hungry cat willing to take a chance for food was the result. I warn every single guest here at my place.. "watch for mountain lions, it's imperative"

[@judithgannon5642]

And a 3 year old is prey size for one. Like how can you take a chance with tiny ones in that environment? Did you see the recent film where parents were trail walking with a baby strapped on Dads back and a tot walking, who were followed by a bear? I figured the bear wasn't interested in the adults.

[@gowiththeflow1476]

Great input and this sub definitely had strong arguments/explanations for this sad incident. I pray for the father who must’ve literally felt his heart smashed to pieces. The most Holy God doesn’t make mistakes and hopefully his faith has strengthened someway.

[@erikaweger2829]

My exact thought, I live in northern California in the mountains where mountain lions are also super common and it was absolutely cut short by being grabbed behind the neck and was carried up without issue.

[@loditx7706]

@kel: I am so sick of the "wild animals", being scapegoats for disappearances despite NO EVIDENCE. THERE WAS NO BLOOD SPILL. I spill blood playing with domestic cats.

[@kellywilliams5112]

@@loditx7706 oh ok, sooo that means the body didn't decompose then? because even decomp spills blood and fluids, which is why I said he was stripped by the cat, the top of the skull was found, and some bone fragments of jaw.., so there WAS decomp. the fact they found none is no surprise with our heavy snowfall and torrential rains we get here, we are in the mountains after all and over a period of 4 yrs?.. AND if you read the original report mountain lion tracks WERE found coming down the ridge and entering the trail converging with the boys tracks and where the two sets of tracks converge, JAREDS tracks disappear, and are never seen or found again, search and rescue dogs hit on the boulder field several times, but a so called mountain lion behavior expert said he didn't THINK a mountain lion would do it, so the search and rescue dogs were never taken up the treacherous boulder field, pure ignorance and laziness or that boy would have been found THAT day... David Paulidies put out a lot of BS in Missing 911 and everyone including the KZbinrs just repeat it, without real research and keep repeating it! because a mystery instead of truth makes for a better story.. I suppose you think it was Bigfoot or aliens too?.. and if you think it was a human, do you think it really makes sense a child murderer pulls a boy up an extremely dangerous and rough terrain of a loose boulder field, with witnesses right there, and that quickly? only to sit right down and kill him next to a popular hiking trail on top of the ridge or return with a body days later? stinking and smelling as you pass other hikers, not to mention searchers who continued looking well after the police called it off, because the parking lot serves both trails.. that's stupid.

[@melissamoore5223]

Watching Jarrod’s dad speak about his child’s disappearance is heart breaking

[@angeliquecabezudo8831]

I'm from Denver, and I remember this horrific story!!!! Thank you for retelling this story.

[@Petey17564]

This is the greatest crime docu Channel on KZbin hands down been a listener for a long time see your at 2 millions Subs!! That’s amazing but should be much higher

[@sheenabeena2874]

Couldn't agree more!!!!

[@likeness310]

That Chapter and Mrballen are top tier for sure

[@Petey17564]

@@likeness310 I like Mr Ballen also just something about that chapter and the way he lays it all out and says “tree” instead of three! I love it. I can watch like 3-4 episodes in a row on a Sunday chilling easily sucks you in like crazy

[@nathanbaker3638]

@@roxanneb8844You know people can see your previous comments right? 😂😂 you seem a little obsessed with this channel!

[@mikemongo928]

No it isnt.

[@jackieedmondson8422]

70 year old Stephanie sounds AMAZING! I am so sad that she disappeared without a trace. I also feel very bad for the family. I believe she's in heaven and watching over her family members💙💖

[@kenlindsey4648]

I remember same story,never connected that Vader just but makes sense with how the people's bodies were never found. Vader worked in oil fields, so he would know remote areas.

[@johndavis9432]

I've read about her case before and it's both sad and scary.The scariest thing is that the guy who called to check on her heard breathing on the other end of the line.I didn't know about that until I heard about it today.YIKES!!!

[@alrightyru]

I live in Alberta and I remember this event. There's a lot of yahoos in the province, disrespectful oilfield people a lot of them use drugs and I wouldn't be surprised if it was just some dumb f*ck that went after her for sh*ts and giggles. It's gross & all I can hope is that it was quick. RIP 🙏

[@gethighordiefiending]

@@kenlindsey4648who’s vader

[@Monkor002]

I was drunk as shit and found a couple kids wandering around at night and took them 150 feet back home even though I could hear their uncle calling for them. WTF is wrong with those hunters?

[@KnottyCeltic]

Fishermen but YES, very suspect that story about the fishermen. They should have been prime suspects IMO.

[@MrNobody91]

​@@KnottyCeltic especially seeing that they wouldn't have even had to walk him back anywhere, they could have just stood there at the fork with him until the group got there. It all seems too sus. Also the thing with the ppl who found the clothes send suspicious to. On a Trail im sure hundreds if nit thousands of ppl walked in 3 years. They claim they happened to be talking bput a 3 year old case and the same time find the clothes and examiner says they don't at all look like they were where they found them for 3 years in the weather and as if they had been placed there after? Too many questions w this case for sure.

[@KnottyCeltic]

@@MrNobody91 Agreed. Though I''m not sure if the people who found the clothing were "sus" as the fact that someone probably put those items there very recently to be found. There was no blood at all on the clothes or shoes so exceedingly unlikely that a mountain lion attacked the child as they go for the neck to kill and then open the victim at the abdomen. Neither of those things happened b/c there wasn't a spot of blood on the clothes or shoes. Mice anywhere could have gnawed all those damaged areas if they were stuffed in a barn, shed or even a garage for 3 years until they were tossed on the trail for people to find.

[@herblee4180]

The contrast between the dark subject matter and your extremely exuberant pleasant, and personally charming affect is unique. Congratulations you are one of a kind.

[@didimagnin3744]

No way would I let a 3 year old out of my sight on a hike! 18 miles hiking with kids????? Two fisherman leave a young boy alone at a fork, even though they hear voices. How stupid can people get? Appparently NO LIMIT! RIP sweet boy.

[@SematerySyren]

They didn’t hike 18 miles.

[@catscanhavelittleasalami]

those two fishermen probably did something to that kid

[@Obsessed_With_Corgis]

Back in Girl Scouts I remember one camping trip where we all got put on lockdown because another troop came across some creepy guy on a trail (it was private land, he should not have been there). Cops were called and idk what happened after (they of course didn’t keep us kids in the loop), but it just goes to show that there could *always* be someone lurking behind the trees when you’re out in the woods. Be careful and stay safe.

[@judithgannon5642]

@@Obsessed_With_Corgis I was thinking, watching these, that maybe there are killers who wander these types of places hoping to get lucky. Hunters of humans. A couple years ago I moved to apartments across the street from beautiful trails. I haven't had the nerve to go deep into the woods, but lots of females living here do. Anyway, as I walked down there with my little dog to the edge, I would see the same guy walking up the road, or down the road, any time of the day and thought he was hanging out there. He looked at senior me and crossed the road, lol. But before long, a younger, pretty woman who walked her dog all over, told me he had followed her off the road and down the trail a couple times. The last time he called out to her to wait. She called the police who showed up and questioned him. He seems to be gone. From here anyway. This is a large area with lots of trails.

[@SquirrelWizard22]

One of the few KZbin channels I give a “thumbs up” to before I start watching. Let’s give it a goo!

[@ZenobiaDecrespin]

🎯 💯 🎯

[@sheenabeena2874]

Me too! It's an immediate thumbs up!

[@kattuffy9855]

Same 😊

[@Softsqueakyduck]

As a former hiker (I'm old and broken now) NEVER go hiking alone the Appalachian Trail. There are many many many mountain men that are pretty wild and people go missing all the time.

[@LeanneFowler-ms5xc]

I know, right? I would never hike alone anywhere, even if the trail or hike would be easy. Since I am a female, I'd be too freaked out since there are so many evil males in our world, or atleast in the US. I don't want to be raped, murdered, or taken advantage of in any form or way by most likely a male of course.

[@efnissien]

There was a guy with Alzheimer's who wandered off in North Wales, he wasn't found for four months. His remains were found in a ditch about 50 metres from one of the most popular tracks in the national park and about a kilometre from where he was last seen alive. So it's incredibly easy to lie undisturbed, even on reasonably open landscape - let alone in a forest.

[@Wolfietherrat]

There is a woman that went missing where I live. She had Alzheimer’s. We have a huge state park right next to us. As far as I know, she has never been found. When I am in the woods, I keep an eye out for her. It has been 5 years.

[@rt66vintage16]

​@@Wolfietherratthe earth is gradually reclaiming her body.

[@myathewolfeh1156]

I just don't understand how so many adults can just let a TODDLER run off on his own into the woods.

[@johndavis9432]

You would think that they would have a lot more common sense than that but common sense isn't so common.

[@ferrellsl]

The father also bears some blame in all of this. What father in his right mind entrusts his 3 year old toddler to a group of strangers on a wilderness hike?

[@MrNobody91]

​@@ferrellsl his daughter/the boys older sister was a part of the group wasnt she? Wasn't that what the story started with was the sister wanted to go and the brother asked to go so he let him go since his sister was one of the people going?

[@ferrellsl]

@@MrNobody91 Again, what kind of father entrusts his 3 year old toddler and his older sister, still a child, to a group of strangers on a wilderness hike? A father's primary responsibility is to care for his family. He failed miserably. You don't entrust children to care for children, nor strangers to care for your children, especially in a place as hostile as a national park.

[@MrNobody91]

​@@ferrellsl I thought it said the daughter was like 16 or 17, which in that case is old enough to look after her little brother. I mean, from what I thought is that they were all together and camping together, so maube he figured he could trust them to actually watch his son. Also, I mean even if they weren't strangers, as soon as he got ahead someone if not numerous people should have ran ahead and went with him or brought him back. Also, I'm not trying to argue with you or saying I disagree with you, I was js that jt wasn't that he sent his son with only people he dk, he was there with his older sister.

[@embracethemystery]

so much negligence in the first story: the dad, the group who let Jared out of sight, the fishermen who left him.

[@amiralions2681]

The first case sounds like big cat attack for sure. The blood and DNA were missing due to repeated exposure over years. The hair was missing because rodents use it to line their nests. The poor little guy's scream was short because a big cat tries to bite the neck in front or back first to immobilize.

[@tazman8271]

As an avid outdoors man and hunter, I have hunted and harvested Mt. Lions. They "skin" their prey. Watch a feral cat with its kill. They hook the hide (sweat pants) with the claws of their back feet and drag down, peeling the hide off. A lion could also pack the boy up the hill. I once tracked a large tom lion that had killed a mule deer doe and then packed her for several hundred yards. Jarrod was killed by a Mt. Lion. Coyotes, birds and other critters helped.

[@rt66vintage16]

That's my thought, too.

[@CoffeeCakeCrumble]

Agreed. That amused scream they heard means he was face to face with it. My guess would be a face or throat grab which would render him silent. I hauled a roadkill doe out back one winter and it was cleaned up within 4 days by coyotes. Spring time and absolutely no trace of it, no skull, no hooves, gone.

[@jamilapendi3287]

this is a good theory but still there's no blood ?

[@heathercurry898]

Not just blood, no claw marks

[@CoffeeCakeCrumble]

@jamilapendi3287 I find headless rabbits on my property sometimes. The head is gone, there is no blood, nothing coming out of the neck. I can't explain why or how, but I've seen it.

[@Delicate_Disaster]

One thing I will never understand about Geraldine's case is that she was alive for 26 days, and she was barely off of the trail. How did no one in the search party find her? They had an extremely large number of people looking for her, and she was a few yards away from where they were looking. It just doesn't make sense to me that she couldn't hear or see them, and they couldn't hear or see her, but they're practically on top of each other. I've seen so many stories about her, and no one can figure that part out. It's like there was a ripple, and for those 26 days, they weren't in the same time line.

[@tameniai]

She likely didn't survive 26 days; her sense of time was most likely off due to lack of water and food. They were also searching in the wrong place for her because of the last place she'd be and the fact that there had been at least one person who claimed to see her near another marker/campground. Her remains were found some two miles from the trail so it would have been unlikely that she'd have heard voices or they'd have heard her.

[@93FilmsandMedia]

Maybe she was placed where she was found after the search party has already been through

[@Delicate_Disaster]

@@93FilmsandMedia if I remember correctly, she was found in a makeshift campsite.

[@lynnl6979]

@@Delicate_Disaster yes, she was. I have a feeling she went off the trail to go to the bathroom, and when she thought she was turning around to go back to the trail she went in the opposite direction. When she realized she was lost she did make camp and wait, it is just sad she was just a little too far away for anyone to find her. It wasn't an easy place to search, either, terrain wise.

[@aboutfeddy]

​@@lynnl6979 that's probably what she did, wait, considering she sent messages to her husband.

[@rosemary5005]

Hello 👋 I'm an ordinary woman who lives in Sweden 🇸🇪 with my dad and my Staffordshire Bullterrier dog. I just want to say that I really appreciate and enjoy your videos so I wanted to stop by and say a huge 🙏 thank you 🙏 for all the happy moments you have given me ✨💗✨ God bless you greatly 🙏🫶🌻 Sincerely, Rosemary

[@darlanilsen879]

@@roxanneb8844Get over it. Why do you watch?

[@darlanilsen879]

Sending you hugs and love Rosemary! From New Mexico USA 💐 💝

[@deeceepnw]

@@roxanneb8844what a thing to say! She’s her for the same reason the rest of us are, the storytelling, the true crime and the humanization of the victims. If you don’t like how woman are victimized in society (and in his episodes by proxy) get into law enforcement and do something about putting the criminals behind bars so they can’t victimize women. Oh, and find a good counselor, because you’re projecting.

[@healthcareforallfiftyseven3773]

Thanks Mike, I think you've cured me of any wanderlust to explore the forests.

[@LKre-vi5oq]

Who were the "adults" in the group? They should have been charged. Reckless endangerment, criminal neglect, etc. Unbelievably irresponsible behavior.

[@SematerySyren]

Dad is the person responsible. He let his toddler go off with strangers

[@alishareid7231]

​@@SematerySyrenso right he's the father who should have protect his son allllllll blamed on the father that's a baby 👶 right there needs love ❤ and attention all the time blessings love rest well baby j God knows you needed love and attention so he takes you back ❤

[@aboutfeddy]

​@@SematerySyren so they're entitled to think "whatever, let him run in the wood"?

[@Jimk8008]

Geraldine was known for having an awful sense of direction. Her friend who had to leave her on the trail due to a family emergency said she was worried about Geraldine getting lost….not spooky just a hiker who shouldn’t have hiked alone

[@rynneviolet4291]

The adults who let a 3-year old wander on out of sight, the fishermen who left a 3 year old before walking on without the adults being within their eyesight .... so many adults and no one looking out for the 3 year old. In wilderness!! This is heartbreaking.

[@alison5009]

6:10 that email!!😂😂😂

[@ArkenV1]

Everyone of the "adults" should be charged with child endangerment. That's absolutely unacceptable.

[@agostinodublino1387]

I mean... single! christians! in the wood! 🙄

[@MajinEmperor8463]

Just got out of rehab classes for the day , rode the city bus, get some food together, open up the ol tube and first thing I see is a new Mike. Foggin brilliant Tuesday evening

[@karenlloyd1705]

Hope rehab is going well

[@MajinEmperor8463]

@@karenlloyd1705 going great, bought a car and just moved into my own apartment

[@KoldBreeze]

The NoSleep story (The part about the random set of stairs in the woods) inspired an entire season of Channel Zero which is a great tv series that was ended way too soon

[@gethighordiefiending]

will check it out, thanks been having trouble with finding something good to watch

[@nancy.g-son]

I need to check that out! Thanks.

[@azothoth666]

Butchers block!! Loved it

[@Erosgates]

The woman, (Stephanie?), who went missing in the fire watch outpost…. That story really creeped me out.

[@cdes1776]

It's beyond my comprehension that *anyone* would head to THE most remote place and commit 'foul play' regarding Stephanie. A place you'd expect nothing and no one. Beyond horrifying.

[@ChronicNewb]

I guess if you're a serial killer, and you knew about the existence of fire watch towers, it'd seem like an "easy target". Still horrifying.

[@madisonlewe1057]

I refuse to believe they just ‘let’ him walk away. There has GOT to be more to the story if so many adults lost a 3 year old kid

[@mommy2libras]

Ask yourself this: in your experience with people in the world, can you think of any group of 30 adults who are all unrelated except for being on a dating website, having no real connections or allegiances to each other, all keep a secret for 30 years? With not one person saying ANYTHING in that time period? People who immediately twist to the "omg there's totally a cover up, these people all did something" in situations like these are way too invested in drama and making things more dramatic, often for nothing more than their own entertainment. Because experience should tell you that scenario is pretty much impossible. It's even worse in situations where they start implying whole law enforcement agencies, families, groups of people, etc are all involved. You consider facts and evidence but also common sense, world experience, the nature of people, etc when thinking of these situations. So refuse to believe what you want. That doesn't change the fact that your theory is based on 30 people knowing that someone deliberately did something to that child, them being able to hide all of the evidence while law enforcement and search parties swarmed around for weeks and then they all said absolutely nothing for 30 years after leaving there and all going back to their completely separate lives, save the few who may have dated for a bit or ended up getting married.

[@lindseyyoung9149]

​@@mommy2libras Op didn't say anything about a conspiracy. Seems like you're the one looking for some drama. 😒

[@misscyanic2484]

Seems to me like dad didn't ensure anyone, even his sister, was going to watch him & all those adults were there to make a connection, not watch a 3yo. But i also think it was likely an animal attack, no matter what's said contrary.

[@sunshinepatsoph4219]

The people who accept to care for the toddler should be in jail. I own 2 puppies, I omit to go trailing just because I am afraid wild animals will snatch my puppies. I cant imagine the horrific end result of such careless actions.

[@sunshinepatsoph4219]

That was reckless and endangered behavior.

[@TiffTheTyrant]

Father is 100% responsible. What kind of idiot gives a TODDLER to a bunch of strangers in the woods? It is not their fault at all. He is legally responsible for his children and his terrible parenting decisions led to his son’s death.

[@gregtrust5599]

​@@TiffTheTyrantthat must make you feel better with such disgusting allegations, you're probably a single mother that lost custody of her kids. You see, I can make allegations just like you

[@TiffTheTyrant]

@@gregtrust5599nope-don’t have children. I don’t need to be a parent to point out a horrible parent. What kind of moron leaves his toddler with a bunch of strangers in the woods? If this sounds like a logical decision to you, then you don’t care at all about his child that died as a result of his stupidity and neglect. This could have been prevented. I am horrified that not one adult did the right thing in this scenario. Shame on all of them.