Sonar 2024 Officially Released

[@moosey62]

XEL, the amount of work you have put into CbB is more than I will ever learn or even need to learn. It's a brilliant volume of work. Do people REALLY think that a latest version of any modern DAW sequencer is holding them back on their road to fame and fortune? Some of the comments on here just make me laugh.

[@XELOhh1]

Yea I did it to help people and it was fun... I really enjoyed showing people my work flow and finding new things to talk about in Cakewalk... I was able to show people that FL Studio is not the only DAW on the market that you can produce in we will see how everything goes I might make some more videos for Cakewalk but not 100% sure I will there are so many great DAWs out there that flow much better than Cakewalk but we shall see ..👀

[@edexter97]

I think it is o.k. as part of a subscription maybe they could bring back computer music magazine as part of the subscription so that vst's and sound samples are included in it... Having the daw helps but something like landr is just high on the list compared to what they are doing. If they don't revoke the daw when you stop the subscription, then it is alright I would think.

[@richardgordon9939]

I'm disappointed that bandlab has not released sonar as a perpetual license. I'm not going to throw in the towel with sonar just yet. I will wait and see if bandlab release sonar as a perpetual license. if it turns out that bandlab have no plans for sonar as a perpetual license, I will continue to use cakewalk by bandlab for as long as it will work. I also own sonar platinum if i need a backup daw for my currant projects. so if it comes to the crunch and there is no perpetual license for sonar, i will be forced to move onto Cubase

[@XELOhh1]

Yea I feel ya... Why Cubase 🤔... It's definitely a good DAW but a little pricey.. you might as well pay the yearly subscription for Sonar it will be cheaper in the long run and you seem to be more familiar with Cakewalk but that's just my 2 cents ... Have you tried any other DAWs like Studio One.. Reaper... Mixcratf.. Tracktion Waveform all solid DAWs a little more affordable than Cubase and you get perpetual license with all these... Just food for thought...😀🙏🏾

[@richardgordon9939]

@@XELOhh1 why cubase? well i was a solid user of cubase when it was on the atari st in the late 80s. i moved onto cubase 3 for windows. today cubase is a great daw. i have no problem with the price and the license is perpetual. plus there is full integration with komplete kontrol keyboards

[@guitarforudude]

U​@@XELOhh1 shout-out for Waveform. I've been with them since Tracktion 4. Only started paying for Pro versions since they rebranded as Waveform. There's frequent updates, and the developers hang out in the I've audio forum for frequent use questions. There's constant sales. There's always a discount update cost when there's a major update and they change version numbers. I didn't record much since COVID but getting back in the game I had WF 11 in 2020 and just upgraded to WF 13 pro this summer for $99. I previously tried Ableton, Reaper and some other daws, but they didn't click for me. There's the free version of Waveform too. No limitations as far as I know. They're a great company that listen to their users. I appreciate your channel!

[@chillwalker]

Moving to cubase is a painin the ass. I aslohabe cubase artist, cause from time to time some client comes with a cubase project. With every new version I try toswitch...but 10 minutes later I am back in sonar. Cubase is somehow inlogical. And I am doing this since the late 80ies amd, of course, there was a time when I used it. I sitched activly to Sonar in 2009. Till then it was relativly unknown here in germany.

[@XELOhh1]

@@chillwalker I can see Cubase being a pain there are some feature in different places from Cakewalk the work flow is a little different as well but definitely a solid DAW

[@biggrime]

I switched to roland vs-2480 a few years ago. Long time cakewalk user. Started with home studio 9. Glad I dont have to deal with subscriptions

[@XELOhh1]

😂 that's what's up good for you...😀🙏🏾

[@tebqzik_music]

As an longer time user of Sonar , im Highly disappointed with one was expecting mass change and features

[@XELOhh1]

Yea me 2 .. it seems like they only added 2 new things and everything else came from SPLAT... They just cleaned it up and repackage it...😞 .. then they act like they don't know there fan base anymore many will not do subscription they just don't want to without that perpetual license they will lose many loyal people.. but we will see if they can dig themselves out of this whole they have put themselves in .. I don't like the fact that they made people wait over a year and then said only subscription they could have said that in the beginning so people can move on or stay onboard.... Thanks for the comment...😀🙏🏾

[@tebqzik_music]

I was using three DAWs 1. Sonar 2. Cubase 3. Pro Tools . Sonar was my primary DAW after it was bought by Bandland Cubase became number . i dont will come back and be that top nortch Software

[@anirudhwarrier7022]

Im not able to save the files despite activating the bandlab account. Also when i play the piano vst, lot of cracking noises and bursts are heard. Is it just for me or is this the same for all?

[@XELOhh1]

@@anirudhwarrier7022 did you purchase the subscription?

[@willmcelroy6376]

Do you think the Roland v700c controller for the old sonar, will work the same way with new sonar?

[@XELOhh1]

Yes it should none of the controller stuff has been changed from what I have read... You should be good ...😀🙏🏾

[@davidnollmusic363]

I just purchased a Backup Software subscription for $18.00 a year. That makes sense to me as it costs less than purchasing the individual new versions of the software which are released about once a year and includes all updates for the current and future iterations. I've been a Cakewalk user since Pro Audio 9 through Sonar X3 and would purchase a perpetual license as needed at a reasonable price. For the new Sonar, $14.95 per month, $149.95 per year is ridiculous and a bit offensive really. If they offered the subscription as a path to purchasing a perpetual license, that would be one thing. However, as it is now, if one subscribes for say 5 years, at $14.95 per month, the cost would be $897.00. Way too much for what you get. I'll find another DAW with more a reasonable and realistic pricing structure.

[@XELOhh1]

I feel you... And just think if you miss one of those you won't be able to save or pull up projects until you do... Not sure what they were thinking with the subscription and they know there fan base doesn't do subscriptions.. we will see what they do going forward... Thanks for the comment...😀🙏🏾

[@davidnollmusic363]

@@XELOhh1 Thanks for your thoughtful response and for your excellent videos. I'm grateful for your work and help. Wishing all the best for you.

[@XELOhh1]

@davidnollmusic363 😀🙏🏾

[@mikesmith3084]

IMO what has hurt CB is the waiting. Because of this many cakewalk users have switched to other DAWS that look and have a modern feel. What is the incentive? Trying to improve on some outdated features does not work for others that have switched. This does not do Sonar Platinum users justice. Adding things like concrete limiter is not new. We already have it as well as the LP EQ and LP MB-On a side note there was a sampler in cakewalk from back in the days- :D kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWjOnoukrLCifbc

[@XELOhh1]

Agreed it took them over a year just to say subscription only...🤔 Yea I know ... I have the sampler but never used it in my videos due to the people on my channel will never be able to get it.. just like people now will not get TTS1 it no longer comes with Sonar or Cakewalk... I never got the LP EQ or the MB but they have always looked like good tools... I don't understand why they just put a new coat of paint on SLAP and say here ya go new Sonar is ready with only 2 truly new feaures.. They could have said that over a year ago when they first talked about Next and Sonar they just strung people along for the ride it seems but we will see if they can dig themselves out of this whole they have created... Thanks for the comment...😀🙏🏾

[@lionelwatkins]

They would make a lot of money if it was a perpetual license. If majority CbB users hold out & not pay for the subscription it may force Bandlab to add a full purchase option. I don’t see why they can’t offer both a subscription or license.

[@XELOhh1]

@@lionelwatkins I think they are testing the waters ... They haven't made any money off of Cakewalk yet so I'm pretty sure they can wait to see how the subscription is going before they decide what they really want to do... But we shall see . Thanks for the comment...😀🙏🏾

[@angelvelazquez1537]

Hey XEL! well I've moved on to Studio One, uuummm, for the long wait, and for what I have had since the original Sonar, and from what is offer in the market, well I think that this major over all update kinda fell short.

[@willknight7848]

Yeah, but with Studio One 7's new pricing structure I'm pretty sure many people will leave that too. I've already jumped to Luna, it's fully featured, easy to use, looks cool, sounds great and best of all FREE.

[@XELOhh1]

@@angelvelazquez1537 agreed the wait was way to long for 2 new things and a polished SPLAT.. it's like they have no idea who there fan base is anymore . But we will see what they do hope Studio One is treating you good... Good luck..😀🙏🏾

[@XELOhh1]

@@willknight7848 I'm not a fan of Luna it has way to many bugs and crashes way to much... No real pianoroll ... No drum machine no step sequencer... It's just pretty and not really functional from my time using it .. I hope they get it more stable and add some real production features and instruments then it might be in the same space as Cakewalk by Bandlab but currently it is lacking way to much in my opinion... 🤔

[@evaristocardenas5145]

With sonar platinum was promised perpetual updates, that was a huge scam

[@XELOhh1]

Yea it was.... But you can't blame Bandlab for it that was solely Gibson..😞

[@angelvelazquez1537]

XEL, so far so good! Studio One is having a new release on Oct 9th, Now its Studio One Pro+, It has mixed reviews on it. Not sure what it holds, since the review is only speculations. We shall see said the blind man!!!! I'll reach out...

[@XELOhh1]

That's what's up... I might have to check it out myself on the 9th...😀🙏🏾

[@Psypher_sage]

Oohh

[@XELOhh1]

😀🙏🏾

[@davidnollmusic363]

Thanks for your video. I'm disappointed that they've chosen the subscription model. I really hate the subscription model. Not sure what to do.

[@XELOhh1]

Just use Cakewalk by Bandlab if it's working for you ... They haven't added anything that's head turning yet to Sonar from what I have seen and Cakewalk will continue to work for a while ... But if you want to try and venture out and try some of the other DAWs out they have trial periods so you can try them if you like them better then go that way if not stick with Cakewalk till it doesn't work anymore...😀🙏🏾

[@thedrunkmonkshow]

So for as long as they took...that's it? I didn't know what else to do at the time with their subscription push so I semi migrated to Reaper as a backup. It's alright to get the job done but I still waste lots of time fumbling around trying to do simple things because it's cluttered with unnecessary options in my view. I couldn't pass up the half off deal for the full retail Reason 12 so I went ahead getting that and haven't touched anything else since then except for Zrythm. Zrythm looks good in photos and has so much potential, but trying to use it a while ago was a buggy, confusing mess as well. I still got a soft spot for Cakewalk but at this point it feels like...I didn't leave you, you left me lol. 😄

[@XELOhh1]

@@thedrunkmonkshow I hear ya .. alot of people feel this way right now... If Cakewalk works for you I say do the subscription when you need to right now you can still use the bandlab version it still works ... Reaper isn't for everyone I made a video about that but you can get it to function like Cakewalk it will take some time to setup but once you do it flows very well... Reason is a solid DAW but has to many limitations to me and the work flow can be weird at times... But good luck on your music journey and remember to have fun ..😀🙏🏾

[@daviHuggMonster]

I stick with my working reaper. Not surprised that they go for sub only. Would surprise me if they would do a perpetual licence. These days so many companies going subscription. Even Reason you get more with Reason+ then buying a very expensive perpetual license, studio one,pro tools....so not interested

[@XELOhh1]

@@daviHuggMonster I feel ya... Not sure why they took this route but I feel ya on the subscription it just another form in the road that they will have to decide on... So we shall see what they do... Thanks for the comment...😀🙏🏾

[@daviHuggMonster]

@@XELOhh1 it's a constant cash flow for companies, I do get it why they do it but these days many choose not to go for a subscription, I do use sonicpass (UVI) and loopcloud, but if you add more it can get expensive on short and long term. Think many will subscribe if they see no other alternative or simply just want to stick with cakewalk

[@PinkskiDeblu]

Just get reaper

[@dieutownsmith1668]

can i install it on external hord drive??

[@XELOhh1]

@@dieutownsmith1668 it has to go on your main drive from what I know... The only DAW I know that runs of a drive is Reaper... 🤔

[@chillwalker]

I have subscribed, but, honestly, I see no benefits right now to the free cakewalk. sometimes I open projects in my cakewalk and there is nothing I would miss. Clearly for the User who is not into the deep midi stuff I see no need to go to the paid version...And as a pro musician who is always on the edge its good to know that I still can use cakewalb, when money is short and I rather get my fridge stuffed than Sonar running ;-)

[@XELOhh1]

You are not the first person to say your not missing anything by going to Sonar .. this is what they decided to do it's funny it's like they don't know there fan base anymore who are they catering these DAWs to... People have been through enough with the whole Gibson stuff now you are just going to do subscription for the DAW many people already have in SPLAT I see many people looking for alternatives now that it has officially been released we will see what they do going forward...🤔

[@chillwalker]

@@XELOhh1 The weired Thing is, that the free "Next" has really usable functions like using the bandlab sample library, the paid model does not...I don't know who is running this enterprise but it seems that different departements are using the Brand....but they really talk much. On the other side I have to admit that the new Sonar is the most stable DAW I´ve ever worked with. Not one crash for 3 months. But if they don't work on new features, for example integration of new and better time and pitching algorythms (like at least the extended features like Cubase use) and, maybe, a proper finetuning of the matrix view (making a basic ableton like functionality really work with dedicated controllers) and integrating the bandlab things from Next into their "flagship" too...I am out. Presonos is down to 199,- just sayin'...

[@locutz]

I still dont have a pc yet ,but when i re build my shit im not getting this bs they can keep that 1 out of two or maybe both,i renew my reaper license and i also buy fl studio legit finally 😂

[@XELOhh1]

@@locutz yes sir get it done...😀😀

[@hhal9000]

Lots of bug fixes and optimisation but not much in the way of new features.A bit underwelming so far.

[@XELOhh1]

@@hhal9000 agreed .. most of the things that they have are already in SPLAT and still missing some key elements from SPLAT as well... Hopefully it will get better and be able to compete with all the other top DAWs out there but the way it's looking now I don't know if they will .. thanks for the comment...😀🙏🏾

[@ntxoovvwjmusicstudio1942]

I am trying Cubase 13 now. It seems more clarity sound and more option for music product.

[@XELOhh1]

@@ntxoovvwjmusicstudio1942 definitely has more production options Cubase is a good DAW I feel that Cakewalk work flow is a little smoother than Cubase... But that's my 2 cents...😀🙏🏾

[@Panit-mix]

I love sonar,but ...😢

[@XELOhh1]

Yea I feel ya...😞

[@brucewayne251]

I still use Sonar Platinum. They’ve added nothing.

[@XELOhh1]

😂 you tell no lies with this one... SPLAT repackage with cleaner graphics... I don't think that's enough to get people to want to get this new Sonar or Next ... They are going to have to bring something that will set them apart from all the other DAWs that have more features and better workflows... I will have my popcorn ready..😀🙏🏾

[@BarryRatter]

So torn and conflicted with the decision. CbB is still very usuable but is beginning to feel a bit tired and dated - yet - Sonar does not look that modern either. Tough choice if you are not now a professional and cannot justify the spend. I would have gone down the constant development route but started years ago to sell plugins and Prochannel plugins specifically for CbB = and made decent money that way. You have a choice just like Luna. Sonar's plugins apart from XSampler, I have - every one. I don't see anything COMPELLING as yet.

[@youngleon25]

Luna is the go to DAW now but it's still unstable for windows, navigation is smoother than in Cakewalk tho.

[@XELOhh1]

I agree nothing that stands out as of yet... Xsampler is cool but it's not better than Komplete kontrol which is free and missing a lot of functions... The bandlab sampler is better than the full fledged DAW that sounds so crazy to me... 😂 I agree there are a lot of DAWs to choose from with good price ranges and nice features and also have perpetual license so we will see where this all goes... Thanks for the comment...😀🙏🏾

[@XELOhh1]

@@youngleon25 Luna is way to buggy not even close to being a replacement in my opinion no pianoroll and crashes all the time and glitches all the time you cannot load all your vsts in it Luna is a hard pass for me... You are better off sticking with just Cakewalk by Bandlab... There are other DAWs out there as well that are better and do more... Once again you run into the same issues with no sampler no drum machine.. and they don't even have a step sequencer ... If you are just doing recording it should be alright but anything else it lacks so much it's not worth using... But that's just my 2 cents 😂

[@itryen7632]

I am not going to be using another subscription model. Especially not if it's made by the same guys that endex support for my favorite free DAW.

[@XELOhh1]

@@itryen7632 I feel ya... I might have to do some Cakewalk by Bandlab content again not really a subscription guy myself

[@AceeSoul]

No perpetual license? 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

[@XELOhh1]

Yea right now it's only subscription...😞 I have no idea what they are doing... They know there fan base are people who want perpetual license but they are currently ignoring them and waited over a year to tell them yea we doing subscriptions right now ... We will see what happens...🤔

[@farrell72563]

It's a No for me. Glad I moved to Reaper two years ago, It does everything I need and and more!

[@XELOhh1]

Yea Reaper is an amazing DAW for sure I can understand the move for sure... Thanks for the comment...😀🙏🏾

[@fabiorubato9434]

hate subscriptions. Cakewalk by Bandlab keeps knocking some of my VST3's, whilst Reaper plays them without an issue. Still really pissed that I - among a lot of us - paid for lifetime updates when Gibsion managed it. Won't by any Gibson products now...ever. Pissed that Bandlab hasn't offered a perpetual licence for Sonar, nor discounts to those of us suckers who believed in paying for life-time updates at a price...one born every minute. haha

[@XELOhh1]

@@fabiorubato9434 I feel you.... Not sure what they are thinking it's like they don't know there fan base... Thanks for the comment...😀🙏🏾

[@Xscapeplan01]

Ya'll crazy why would you want a perpetual license, $12.46 p/m is cheap and your not tied to them, you can leave and come back anytime and if you love the daw just pay $149 per year and get all the other stuff they offer, hell even distribution and a fan page and sync opportunities etc, you people are tripping

[@XELOhh1]

I feel ya ... I know exactly what you mean.. but the Cakewalk fan base is not built that way these are people that spend money to own stuff they don't like the feeling of borrowing and when I can't or do t want to pay you just going to take it away from me .. that is why there are so many SPLAT users now they never even used Cakewalk by Bandlab.. so to not know what your fan base is ... Is pretty bad in my book .. I agree it's a good deal if you really look at it but people don't have this DAW for those reasons allot of them are hobbyist and just to claim ownership... Thanks for the comment...😀🙏🏾

[@Xscapeplan01]

@@XELOhh1 I hear Ya

[@Stirlingsays]

Dude, I have a bridge to sell you.

[@tonymccraw3853]

I just read online that if you pay 12.99 for 12 months you will get to own the program. Did I misunderstand?

[@AlCuming]

I believe the $12.99 per month for a year is for a Bandlab membership. If you're a paid member, then Sonar is free. However, the membership fee is yearly, and not a one time charge.

[@XELOhh1]

I didn't see an option for perpetual license at the end of the 12 month subscription to bandlab... It's 12.99 per month for the year from what I have seen or pay the yearly subscription at a discount which means next year you will pay full price for the subscription... It seems to be the way a lot of companies are going these days .. hopefully there will be a perpetual license but we shall see..👀

[@decryptedchaos]

Yeah, NOPE, but I've made that clear from the beginning, I'm happy with Reaper / LUNA Cakewalk, is just too old to modernize enough to sell anymore in my opinion.. under the hood i bet you its pretty bad having existed so long, just naturally how things were done then vs today.. when they took it over i said it'll probably never be a modern paid competitor but it can be a great free option.. but them trying to monetize it in this landscape with so much out that is positioned far better than it is. i honestly don't know what they were thinking but that's irrelevant

[@XELOhh1]

@@decryptedchaos I feel ya . And I agree... They are completely committed to the old coding and way of working I really believe they should have tried the Mac version again that would have helped sell the product I don't think Next is going to convince people to by a subscription to use it as a partial DAW but we shall see.. thanks for the comment...😀🙏🏾