Songbirds and Snakes - Let Me Explain (A Hunger Games Ballad)

[@LetMeExplain]

What’s the best franchise to make an LME video on? Full Hunger Games recap coming soon

[@treyschofield5935]

Best franchise to make a LME on would be one you don’t have to read a book for as well

[@ImTMZ]

I was getting major "neolution" vibes from Dr. Gall. Wonder if the crew saw Orphan Black

[@felicialewis7969]

Can you do the movie Foe next?

[@mt-rr5nd]

Rise Of the planet of the Apes easy

[@cazyjohn2005]

i think should be two parts

[@triniskittles_]

one thing to add, Lucy Gray WROTE the hanging tree, not just sang it. makes it that much more a slap in the face for snow that Katniss uses it in the revolution.

[@cassiusfelix2805]

That must be pain

[@mackenziej8980]

I feel like the hanging tree is a medofore for snow so she sing is before snow becomes the hanging tree and katniss sings it after he becomes it

[@funsized837]

@@mackenziej8980metaphor???

[@elleswyth]

i thought billy taupe wrote it to convince lucy to run away with him prior to his affair with the mayors daughter?

[@nootnoot3454]

@@elleswythno it was Lucy do wrote it

[@Liette2610]

Lucy wasnt mad that he killed three, she was mad cause she said several times that its all about trust for her. Snow lied to her face, THATS what is the issue

[@prappies3]

Personally I think she was mad because he killed sejanus. Bobbin and Mayfair, she could write off as self defense, but Sejanus? She saw sejanus as a kind innocent boy, and Snow killed him. It was at that moment, Lucy Gray realized she was expendable. And then she decided to run.

[@Sushigabby]

yuuuuupp@@prappies3

[@vickypostsstuff]

I totally agree, when Lucy Grey ask who was the third he gave a cryptic answer, probably the worst thing he could have done. The biggest thing Lucy Grey valued was trust and Snow broke it. But if Snow told her that he killed Sejanus that also creates another trust issue. Snow messed up that relationship by saying he killed three instead of the two Lucy Grey knew about. (This might turn him into a pathological liar but at least he gets the girl) Would you trust the man that said he killed three and was shady about the third kill? That's a red flag if I ever saw one.

[@bajabl]

She was also scared he was gonna turn on her too

[@itsmomobaby7355]

@@vickypostsstuff hold on, i thought she already knew that snow killed him. So the two that he killed were sejanus and the mayors daughter. he really only did kill two right? or am i missing something? Cuz the third person he was talking about killing was his friend no?

[@amandamoore7512]

It’s almost like Snow saw how love/teamwork can be powerful and dangerous so he immediately refuses to allow it anywhere

[@raynebeauty7444]

I also really liked that there is a Snow origin story… but I think Snow’s descent into distrust and madness is a bit too subtle. I know many would disagree with me, but I think the movie should have made Lucy a little more aggressive … for example, I know there is symbolism with the scarf and snake hidden underneath it… but I think Lucy should’ve been the one to stab him or poison him instead of a snake bite… like from his point of view, he must feel totally betrayed and truly “used.” If there was more time, like a Netflix series, this could be really flushed out well .. like the scene when she leaves the cabin with a sinister-like smile but also carrying a knife… maybe I’m wrong but I think we could reference more of an Othello kinda theme … to make it more tragic but I found the script a bit unconvincing towards the end but the acting and chemistry was really good overall

[@bonaventureayi1418]

​​​@@raynebeauty7444I'm totally in to what you said bro. The unbalanced twist made me angry tho😂, but I saw it coming

[@NotASnaccImAMel]

My friend explained it that, Lucy Gray's fate is up in the air because Snow doesn't deserve that closure. He will end up wondering if she survived for years afterward, both loving and hating her, both regretting trying to kill her because he loves her, and because if she comes back, it might be his downfall.

[@peeratatr1492]

snow is a real man compared to everyone else around him. he is a realist

[@psychoticriot123]

​​@@peeratatr1492 No he isn't. He's constantly shown to be a pessimist throughout the book. He only sees the worst in people, and chooses to ignore any acts of kindness he sees throughout the story, which is why he constantly looks down on those in the districts and sees them as animals. His outlook on people are the entire reason to his downfall, its his refusal to see the good in people. He thinks that the true nature of man is so horrific that he needs to be a cruel ruler to stop our apparent "animalistic instincts." It's the entire reason he continues the games and makes them more horrific each time. He believes that others are selfish and cruel because he, himself, is selfish and cruel, and doesn't hold enough empathy to understand that others do not feel or think the same way as him. He's not a realist, he's a paranoid malicious man with 0 empathy

[@onewinter9411]

@@peeratatr1492 way to totally miss the point, buddy

[@peeratatr1492]

@@psychoticriot123 that’s what it takes to be a G. He’s not perfect but I prefer him to that hoe lucy.

[@8-kit498]

Im still confused on WHY she backstabbed snow in the first place, the only thing i think of is Snow lying to lucy about sejanus

[@pigpjs]

I appreciate Suzanne Collins going bold and doing a Snow origin story. She could have flushed out Haymitch's hunger games and made even more money

[@pamelalansbury94]

She still can. I would watch that movie.

[@sugeycruz5753]

I find villain origin stories so much more interesting. Humans are complex and seeing his transition from conflicted to evil is fascinating.

[@cba7873]

I would definitely read that. I found this book tedious.

[@lexx.stormm]

I want one that shows what snow does from his first ruling to Katniss

[@LiveAsDiva]

Agreee

[@trinaq]

Despite knowing that the protagonist eventually becomes the main antagonist, we're still inclined to root for him because...He was good looking? Tom will certainly become a heartthrob afterwards.

[@bartrese]

You have a better understanding of why he is the way he is. He could have/should have made better choices but he didn’t start off as a bad person. Even though I knew the outcome I was rooting for him to not f him up

[@CaulkMongler]

It’s not about rooting for him, it’s about understanding how his mind works and why the Hunger Games make sense for him. In Breaking Bad, Walter White isn’t a good guy he’s a villain. Same concept.

[@tdf123emcee2]

There is still a good percentage of people that will just go for the good looks, he is a more mature Draco Malfoy.

[@treyschofield5935]

@@tdf123emcee2if you weren’t aware this is true for literally every movie… that is why they cast attractive people

[@ariatrent6263]

@@tdf123emcee2 That’s pretty true to life. People often get duped by good looking bad people the most. The world isn’t divided into ugly=bad beautiful=good.

[@mzmendy]

I also felt like the last pages of the book were a bit rushed. But at the same time..... it's fitting with the series. You're in HIS mind, of you're only taking the books into account. We have NO IDEA what happened to Lucy Gray Baird.

[@GraduateJLN]

probably made it to the “North”

[@cristianoliver4447]

District 13 is North so its possible she made it either there or somewhere beyond Panem. Panem never let anyone know what lies beyond its borders, for all we know there are thriving communities out there.

[@st3gosaurus]

the rest of the world was a nuclear wasteland@@cristianoliver4447

[@frenchtoastmafia1]

I think not having Snows inner thoughts confused a lot of people, including myself. His motivations were so confusing and it almost seems like he had split personality disorder until he goes all in for evil at the end

[@itsmomobaby7355]

i understand snow more than lucygray honestly. Snow is meant to be evil in his blood like his father, but this girl finds the good in him. It's only until he feels betrayed by the one person that made him feel good, that he sinks completely into the darkness. That's what i think at least. Whereas Lucygray, im not really sure why she had a sudden change of heart as to leave him. I was lowkey mad at the movie theatres when i watched this cuz i really shipped them. but theyre like both too crazy to realize that they are perfect for each other. However, a villain origin story is always interesting

[@reworkgaming1202]

​@@itsmomobaby7355after figuring out what he had done to sejanus, she realised what he would do to protect himself, he would do anything he would betray and condemn his best and only friend to death. I think at this moment she saw the monster, as she said, trust was more important to her than love and she couldn't trust him.

[@natalie-ximena]

@@itsmomobaby7355 Its bc she didn't trust him after he said his kill count was 3 on accident. She said it herself, trust was everything to her

[@kcprodigy]

Exactly!!! His acting was pretty good, but his actions/ decision-making contradicted each other.

[@catherinecano9776]

​@itsmomobaby7355 thats what I thought too but I felt bad for him because he seem genuinely hurt and confused by her betrayal. Like he was scared she left him but then he did go full on crazy on her. But he said he wanted to talk about it but when he realized she was willing to hurt him( the snake ) then he lost all hope or trust or love that he had for her. But its just scary how fast they turned on each other. And sad

[@greenricky4782]

The soundtrack was heavenly imo and helped make it a good movie

[@jarednichs3450]

hanging tree?

[@crabulous113]

Agreed. Every single song was perfection.

[@karensmith8911]

I personally didn’t like that almost every single scene had music

[@ganasde65]

@@karensmith8911 normally i would dislike musicals but rachel's voice is so good that it worked for me lmfao

[@karensmith8911]

@@ganasde65 Oh no I liked Rachel Zegler’s songs, just the constant orchestra was bothering me💀

[@defiantaichi]

I loved this movie. I thought snow gave unhinged vibes from scene 1. Sure hes hot. but thats the thing isn't it. Real villains arent always crony old or ugly people. They are charismatic. Thats what makes them so scary. That scene in the forest. Even Lucy confronting him. Chills. How else would snow have risen to president.

[@cirrusB612]

The thing is, that cabin in the end was mentioned a lot in the Hunger Games novels. That lake was a place where Katniss and Gale hunted. That cabin was where Katniss found two District 8 refugees, who told her about the rebellion. Everything about the Covey kind of lived on in Katniss through her parents. There's a fandom-wide theory that Lucy Gray (or her cousin Maude Ivory) is Katniss’ grandmother. And I think there’s something to it.

[@_mark_3814]

Hmm but I remember them not knowing a lot about the first district 12 winner I feel like she would know if she was a close relative.

[@Pixel0429]

@@_mark_3814or Snows influence in the capitol and in turn the districts over time straight up made the history of Lucy winning a faded memory or straight up wiped out by the time Katniss was born

[@cirrusB612]

@@_mark_3814 I think another reviewer said that music was eventually banned in 12? I'll have to fact-check that against the books, but that would mean that the Covey had to either settle in 12 or leave, and I think it was the former. A famous theory channel actually made a STRONG argument that Maude Ivory was Katniss' grandmother by connecting Katniss' dad (who was known for singing like an angel) to the Covey ways.

[@ludmilamaiolini6811]

@@cirrusB612the Covey was banned from performing at the Hob, but I don’t think they forbade all music in the entire district

[@cirrusB612]

@@ludmilamaiolini6811 Ohhh. Makes more sense!

[@krotemitschild301]

18:00 it is not about the amount of people he killed, it is about the fact that he never mentioned the third person. And when she asked about it, he told her an obvious lie, which convinced her that he was not a trustworthy person. And as she explained before: trust is the most important thing to her.

[@kenobi69yearsago57]

Snow comes out of the hut with one of the guns on his hand while the rest is wrapped up. He had made a decision to kill her.

[@NeyamRye]

He's crazy whats wrong with him

[@trippiemikee_6303]

“Snow always lands on top” 🥶🥶thats a fire saying for someone whos name is snow

[@sebastianmo7846]

It was a rebutle to being told earlier in the film “do you hear that…..snow, falling.”

[@kaheaisaac1]

Yesssss

[@kerrin6633]

They also said it at the beginning of the movie too

[@unlimited3454]

Snow is a top. Lol

[@shayt8871]

Lucy was alleged to be Katniss’s aunt as Maude could maybe be the great grandmother. But I’d prefer it if they weren’t related at all.

[@DeeDeeDeeeee]

I thought it was actually a really good origin story, flaws aside it’s definitely worth the watch. My ranking would go: 1. Catching Fire 2. Hunger Games/Ballad 3. Mockingjay 2 4. Mockingjay 1

[@GH-fb9dh]

If it equals the first hunger games it must be so good. Will give it a go

[@livispuzzled]

Completely agree with you

[@peterparker9954]

Mockingjay part 1 and part 2 would rank higher for me

[@teresitaann8256]

Yess catching fire at #1

[@catnisseverdeen]

Completely agree

[@st.aelphaba]

this movie was actually a good adaptation of the book! of course they left things out but it still authentic to the og trilogy

[@wiskyr6510]

Honestly a hard disagree. They changed so much and a lot of it wasn't even necessary cuts for time, just flat out character changes.

[@buttercup3518]

Snow got the money and power, but he was a slave to it. Lucy got no money and no power, but she was truly free. The Capitol, calls that kind of thought "extreme" . Seem to me that the true Snake in the story is the Mad Scientist Professor from the Elite University, she seems to be the one who poisoned Snow's mind and sowed the seed of the man he will become. Had Snow's relationship with Lucy worked out better, he would have been a kinder and gentler man. Unfortunately, his crazy mentor Professor Lady hates humanity and only sees it as evil and corrupt. Whereas, his heart belonged to the songbird, representing the good in him, but too bad she flew away.

[@amarbyrd2520]

I think you nailed it. Volumnia Gaul was the Big Bad

[@Inkpinkierosie]

Yeah but he was already evil a narcsssist she just pushed him more down that path

[@buttercup3518]

@@Inkpinkierosie Nature and Nurture- he was very much like his father, and he was obviously chosen & groomed to take over. At the end of the day, we make our own decisions, he chose love for money and power which corrupts even the best of us, over love for other human beings.

[@lidyasworld3130]

I really hated the Professor she was interesting but a true sociopath

[@buttercup3518]

​@@lidyasworld3130 The Tyrants are more interesting than the Rebels. Some Tyrants are just pure evil, and some by poor choices they make. The logic behind their thoughts and reasoning and internal monologues tell you everything.

[@benjaminacuna8013]

Clemmensia was actually more sympathetic in the novel which makes this change awful; in the novel she’s so shocked with arachnes death she’s unable and unwilling to finish the assignment and Snow in a twisted act of sympathy puts her name on the assignment too much to her chagrin.

[@PrincessLioness]

I’m not sure if LME actually read through books himself because there were more significant changes in the movie that he didn’t discuss.

[@jamiegdubois]

Yeah, that was one small change that I actually didn’t like. In the book, Snow said Clemmensia wrote the proposal with him and Dr. Gaul is suspicious so she asks Clemmensia to grab it out of the tank. Gaul mentions the thing about the snakes recognising smell and Snow realises what is about the happen but doesn’t really do anything. I think it’s a great way of showing how (at least near the beginning of the book) Snow is a bit more morally grey but when it comes down to it, he’s quite selfish. I think he really only put Clemmensia’s name on the proposal to keep on good terms with her, but at the end of the day he was fine with sacrificing her (which is good foreshadowing for Sejanus). I enjoyed most of the other changes though, especially what occurred in the arena.

[@cycy5729]

@@jamiegduboisyes also in the book Lysistrata decides about sending bottles of water to Jessup but in the movie it’s Snow that convinces her

[@dorkability]

That’s not what I remember. Snow didn’t put any names on the paper. When asked, he said everyone in the class worked on it. Clemmensia did lie by saying they both worked on it, she printed it and gave it to Snow to deliver.

[@Sushigabby]

nooo they changed this??? gahh i loved clemmensia and lysistratas' characters. :[@@jamiegdubois

[@EmperorPiplup]

I don't even think Rachel's case deserves the "separate the art from the artist" treatment considering she hardly did anything for the kind of hate she's getting. People blame the changes of snow white on her and her remarks too, but like the studio is who wanted to "girlbossify snow white". If anything her comments were just a reflection of how the studio felt regarding the original snow white being outdated and needing a modern update. Similar comments have been made by past live action princess actresses the only people to blame really is the billion dollar corporation lol

[@jimmylu1352]

No for real. All she said was Snow White, a 80 year old Disney movie, has extremely outdated values. And she’s not even wrong?? I’m pretty sure it’s been universally agreed upon that Snow White being 14 and the prince was 31 is very creepy. Do people forget that Disney has a lot of racist and problematic stuff in their past movies? But it’s suddenly wrong when a young actress called it out? You can’t convince me sexism didn’t play a huge part in it. And as someone who lives in Asia, the amount of racism that’s directed towards Rachel is disgusting

[@radhiadeedou8286]

she's just very annoying, and no one likes to look at or listen to annoying people

[@radhiadeedou8286]

​@@jimmylu1352she is wrong, love is not an outdated idea

[@metokur85]

​@@jimmylu1352F her

[@redbitch3362]

​@@radhiadeedou8286wtf 😂

[@fiskenburg007]

It was a terrific movie! Not one boring scene!

[@skatedurr]

did we see the same film!?

[@jasongreen6826]

Is this satire?

[@fiskenburg007]

@@jasongreen6826 Uh no, I loved it.

[@maddiezercher5800]

seriously I was so excited every scene

[@GraduateJLN]

@@skatedurrI just saw it, it was great

[@thisisSPARTAorsprite]

He wasn’t unhinged he was a good charismatic manipulator with morals that are altruistic but still with the capacity to fall in love and care. The lies he tangled as a snake slowly becoming too tight and intertwined it caves in turning him numb

[@kerrin6633]

Explained so poetically ❤

[@NeyamRye]

Yues

[@lilithium3940]

My favorite part of the movie was afterward seeing all the memes and tiktoks only to notice rachel zegler religiously commenting under each and every one. Shes absolutely for the fans

[@krustomer]

She is a queen

[@radhiadeedou8286]

I'm sure it was her, not a PR team or anything

[@lilithium3940]

@radhiadeedou8286 yeah I'm sure its also her PR team dressing up as her and getting plastic surgery to look exactly alike to take silly little videos. I hope you have a happier day that leads you to not need to put such negativity out to feel better

[@athaya2992]

​@@radhiadeedou8286shes literally a gen z, of course shes active on social media LOL you're such a boomer

[@NeyamRye]

Yes

[@uchihabomber1296]

Man this movie was phenomenal to me and this is from someone who’s never seen a single hunger games movie or read the books. I thought it was an interesting introduction to the whole franchise for me

[@WeenieHutJr06]

Maybe this would have been better as a series. I enjoyed the movie but had a hard time understanding Snow's motives. I felt like he was always self interested; constantly doing things that would benefit his wants and only going with Lucy once that vision of being in the capitol was taken from him, but also always looking for a way back. Much like Lucy says to him: people aren't bad, but they need to put in the effort needed to stay on the right side of morality. Snow didn't seem willing to fully put in the effort of living a different life if he still had an option back to the capitol.

[@skitt5396]

Seems like you understood his motives fine

[@khlo9900]

I mean you pretty much described his motives down to a T. From the very start, he was looking out for his self-interests. The whole reason why he wanted Lucy Gray to win was because he wanted the Plinth Prize to pay for his tuition at University. Later on, he falls in love with Lucy Gray and wants her to live, therefore cheating and giving her the rat poison. At District 12, once he was offered the opportunity to participate in an elite training program, he saw that as his opportunity to rise above the ranks but since Sejanus and eventually Lucy stood in his way, he had to eliminate them. All of it boils down to his main motivation being the restoration of the Snow name, which is why Tigris made that comment of how he looks like his father at the end of the movie.

[@thisisSPARTAorsprite]

@@khlo9900he wanted to love and leave with Lucy he flips back and forth he lies to Lucy she told him she cares more about truth then love which when snow lies to her her mistrust disdain and running away away flips him back to eliminating her

[@qhsarada6648]

Nah you understood it perfectly. Did you read the book?

[@emxne_]

17:57 I think she got scared because she thought the third person will be her since she knows his secret and he wants to save himself.

[@Chario_]

In the book it's kind of also implied that she ran off in part due to how she realized he killed Sejanus

[@ControllerNormi3]

Yeah, in the movie they leave it up in the air so as to make their sudden turn of each other more down to speculation or Paranoia on snows part. But the movie shows that snow is definitely the reason sejanus dies and it’s up to the viewer to break down that he’s the third victim that snow is talking about

[@candybeans8545]

They should've made this into 2 movies but the soundtrack hits

[@bartrese]

I agree and slso SO MUCH happens in that book!

[@joel-cx7hm]

but thn most people wouldnt watch what happens after the games with snow and lucy cause it might be deemed as more boring considered to rhe earlier 2 parts

[@kirstenburnett4185]

Also so much of the book in the districts is snows internal dialogue so it’d be nearly impossible to make that into an entire movie and keep it interesting.

[@ihkeseteeietos5722]

No they shouldn't

[@Hi-lu5vf]

imagine ballad of songbirds then ballad of snakes

[@basementdwellercosplay]

I havent read the book this movie is based on but i was huge hunger games book fan. How you described this game is just how the first book tell how early games evolved into the games Katniss was in. I really liked it in the book as it shows how the games went from a bunch of kids scrapping for 10 minutes to the capitol prolonging it for weeks to make it more like a sporting event such as the Olympics or fifa

[@erikbishop7]

Snow’s actor Donald Sutherland says that Snow admired and loved Katniss, probably in a rather twisted way. But I consider that canon. I don’t think that in Snow’s heart, that love for Lucy Gray never really went away, and I don’t think that went completely away for Katniss either.

[@amarbyrd2520]

During promos for the original, he spoke often about how important the concepts in the films and the books are

[@zfr33ze87]

We desperately need 10+ more hunger games movies, they are amazing

[@emm8534]

I’d love to see the games of all the tributes in catching fire, coins/district 13’s backstory, the rebellion/war, what happens after the games stop, there’s SOOO much

[@LE-zy2od]

​@@emm8534that sort of turns us into the capital seeing death as a spectacle

[@TuckOka]

Took my daughter to watch this as she read the books. She wasn’t as a fan since in the book you hear snows internal dialogue (her words ) but I loved the movie . I’m going to watch the ones with Jennifer Lawrence

[@trinaq]

It's funny that Rachel and Josh are dating in real life after meeting on West Side Story, yet they haven't actually played on screen love interests. Chino loved Maria, though maybe that doesn't count.

[@drartemisa21]

The irony is funny. Two movies, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.

[@emxne_]

SOOOO before watching the video: I just came out of the cinema 3 hours ago and I really liked the movie. (8.5/10). Great performance from everyone involved. Obvoiusly the OG movies are 1,000/10. *Now I am gonna watch the video*

[@blessedcocoa5729]

Yup. I saw it opening day and this was pretty much how I felt about it.

[@boybriar]

Don’t let your nostalgia make you look stupid. This movie is better than all of the ones that came before it, and it’s only competitor is Catching Fire.

[@emxne_]

@@boybriar could be right. The longer I think about the movie, the more I like it.

[@kindaforgot4722]

@@boybriar nah the first 2 hunger games clear this one easily. The last two parts definitely but not hunger/catching.

[@boybriar]

@@kindaforgot4722 the first movie definitely doesnt clear this the cinematography is awful and suffers from shaky cam, and the storyline is just a less intense symbolic and meaningful version of the new movie lol.

[@annamariejones2837]

It wasn't a bad movie but the pacing was definitely off from cutting a decent amount of moments from the book.

[@g.mitchell7110]

I haven't seen the movie, but I did listen to the audiobook in part because it was read by Santino Fontana, who is one of my favorite audiobook narrators, and books told from a particular character's POV with a talented voice performer like Fontana can be a superior experience to actually reading it. It's a solid experience, and helps round out Snow's character. It also helps enhance the original trilogy by association; Snow, like most good antagonists, doesn't think of himself as a villain. In his mind, he's doing what is necessary to preserve Pan Em. He's a good man making hard decisions for the good of society (in his view). By the way, not really relevant to this video, but I also listened to the audiobook version of Old Yeller recently, and it's fantastic. If you close your eyes, you can imagine a middle-aged version of Travis is in the room with you just telling you stories about his childhood. I am never reading Old Yeller again; it's the audiobook from now on.

[@krustomer]

Honestly, I was disappointed a bit by Santino because I expected him to try to sing the songs! The movie is a miles better experience in that regard especially haha

[@Thepinkexotical]

I liked that I’d heard Santino narrate as Joe in hidden bodies and You. Added to the delusion and unhinged ‘logical calm’ that Snow has

[@LiveAsDiva]

Santino Fontana is an amazing VA and singer... Love him

[@eddyawesomes]

I liked the movie. Sometimes I feel like fandoms are just so toxic. I think the Catching fire, Hunger games and this are the best in the series in that order.

[@roobersmoth880]

when i was in year 4 (age 8-9), my class did an assembly on movies to show to our year and our parents. For one section, our teacher video-ed us all saying a famous catchphrase from a movie. I couldn't think of anything for so long, and eventually settled for "IF WE BURN, YOU BURN WITH US". Anddddddd... it was to no surprise i didnt make it into the final cut...

[@a.songb1rd]

*lucy gray, not just lucy. in the book, she corrects the newscaster like she does in the film. rachel (the actress) also corrected people on set.

[@ameliaarrows2790]

This video only cements my opinion that in the books, President Snow's characterization gave me such WHIPLASH lol Like he starts as a romantic only to become someone who is a brutal cynic - like who says - " Aww they're holding hands -- I want them dead."

[@ninagrace-lee8323]

Yeah the movie also has that effect on the viewer. My family and I actually discussed this at length - Snow may have been flawed but in many cases, justified in his approach. He was acting in his own best interest, but realistically so was everyone else. So for him to go from putting himself and his family first to homicidal villain is a huge jump, that character arc needed more time to flesh out. I think this would’ve been a good HBO show

[@sarahlpw]

I think this is the brilliance of the writing, though. Ask any woman who has been with an abuser. This was a brilliant portrayal of the confusion that is bred in survivors, because their abusers SEEM like such good people (when they're not abusing). Their actions can be justified or rationalized, no matter how it escalates. Lucy had such strong boundaries, though, that she left at the first lie instead of the 1000th.

[@ControllerNormi3]

Also they brilliantly hint at this motive of selfishness and self preservation right from the start with the dude eating someone else due to hunger, snow from a young age sees that humans will do whatever necessary to survive and he applies that to his own goals throughout the movie.

[@JoshuaHenelyThornhill]

They really did a number with this Hunger Games prequel. I’m glad they nailed it and it reignites the flame of this universe. Now we gonna need that Haymitch game or that Finnick game plz !

[@lidyasworld3130]

Factsss

[@johnfisher4262]

Haymitch games coming soon let’s gooooo

[@Andy-r9t6g]

5:29 They made a habit of shooting below people’s eyelines throughout the film. I think it’s more noticeable with Lucy Gray because she’s constantly on screen and in the company of much taller individuals like Coriolanus. Rachel Zegler is only 5’2,” so there’s a ten inch height difference between her and Tom anyway…

[@mariaaa3157]

without all the cool technology it is much more brutal and way harder of a watch imo. especially the way they treat them beforehand, the cargo trains, the zoo cage, the fact that half of them could starve before getting in the arena. it all just sits so wrong with me. it’s so much more.. morbid and ruthless

[@roxanne_]

Yeah it was meant to be shown as depressing rather than entertaining because that was one of the goals Snow had to do in the movie; make the Hunger Games THE Hunger Games we see Katniss fighting in the future. It’s the 10 annual event after all and Snow’s changes made it what we saw in the original film.

[@ritahamm9419]

I believe the old woman in the seam during the original hunger games (who gave katniss the pin) was Maude Ivory - Lucy's cousin.

[@calliemacedo]

i meeeeeaaan, lucy gray WROTE the hanging tree and it got outlawed after one performance (in a peacekeeper party, so the only people there FROM the district were the covey) so the only way for katniss(‘ dad) to know the song would be if he was a descendant of one of them so maybe they are related (personally i love the theory katniss is maude ivory’s grandkid and that’s how her dad knew the song and the lake and sang to mockingjays like the covey did)

[@wheresbellaj2386]

Honestly the soundtrack is gold

[@emm8534]

Such an amazing book, i wish there was a disclaimer at the beginning of the movie that you will likely miss a lot of details and be confused if you haven’t read the book. So much about snows intentions and thoughts is incredibly important to the plot and is just not in the movie.

[@redgenerall28]

It was the first time I wished that they would split one movie into two cause the plot had no room to breathe whatsoever But holly shit Rachel Zegler can sing If this movie achieved anything is to create some excitement for that Snow White movie

[@imWillJ]

was this hunger games bad, or does it seem bad because the previous hunger games are so good, this friend is the question.

[@alexboismont314]

Cool it on the Christianity its cooking youre brain.

[@narnia_eclipse389]

i watched it and its genuinely really good

[@diegogomez2052]

I feel this one is far better than the original 4 artistically I think it was done far better, and I think story it was kind of more interesting you get Waymore world building

[@2001eloc]

It's good, it's condensed tho, 3 hour movies are becoming a thing, this could have done so much more with another hour

[@blessedcocoa5729]

​@@alexboismont314what in the world?

[@rockersheart]

I agree and said the same thing, if only this was a 6 episode one hour series would we get a real adaptation to the book. My wife added on, if you make snow break the 4th wall then you'd get such rich character development for snow. Hearing him be dismissive to sejanis n then immediately greet him as a friend would have been awesome to see ! =)

[@ControllerNormi3]

I like that we don’t see snows thought process. It adds to how jarring his decisions are and eludes to his paranoid self preservation instead of us seeing his thoughts and potentially making us more sympathetic to his actions

[@poetryoftruth-j2g]

Just watched the movie it did change quite a bit of the material but I feel like they got the general plot across well and the changes they did make I think made the movie more entertaining

[@ItsMeRhaine]

They really need to hop on making a Hunger Games series because there's so much lore we're missing out on

[@lidyasworld3130]

And that’s what I’m sayingggggggg

[@insertnamehere08]

I thought it was great. Amazing casting, incredibly book accurate and a good representation of an amazing story

[@naturalbadger5258]

I want to see a movie or two about the war that led us to the creation of the Hunger Games

[@mariaaa3157]

i loved flickerman, they picked the perfect person to play caesar’s past relative

[@Edpeb]

My biggest problem with this movie is that it breaks the first principle of filmmaking: Show, don’t tell. From the beginning to the end, we always have some character to tell us many plot points that could easily make the movie more enjoyable and could fix the quite bad pacing, especially the third act. Also the fact the movie goes around how the life is in the capitol, but not showing us anything of it besides the school, just 1 cage in the zoo with two kids, and the games arena itself well it doesn’t kinda show us how is it really inside does it?.

[@ControllerNormi3]

I think it focused more on the show part for the character’s progressions, like snows change in character feeling sudden/random to some people in the comments because it wasn’t explicitly shown to them or when lucy suddenly betrays snow. And I think it just being one movie made it so they had to sacrifice some of the world building or pacing to really get the character development across because that is the driving point of the movie, us witnessing snow become the darkness we see in the future.

[@adrianaspeis]

It was amazing - the soundtrack, the cast, lucky’s punch lines… I loved it

[@donsolo7860]

I went to a screening where we were allowed to talk during and we were all silent throughout because it was that engrossing. The ballad of Lucy Gray is my favorite song but the soundtrack hits. 3rd act could’ve been a separate movie.

[@kitkat88816]

I like that it was a small dig that Lucy would sing and it would charm snakes and snow was charmed by her singing and then revealing towards the end he was a snake by ratting in his friend just a small note I got from the movie

[@Domekarl]

I didn't know the story before. When I was sitting in the cinema, I wouldn't have been surprised if there had been a fourth chapter where he puts on a hoodie and they record a rap album together

[@Lord_Procrastinator]

Lucy Gray WROTE A SONG for him. She didn't play him!

[@Zk21303]

"But once it catches fire, it melts" went hard

[@lidyasworld3130]

Yuhhhh

[@madamejaysynstarotoriginal]

Right 😂

[@oswaldobetarelli4776]

One kinda crazy and kinda nonsense theory i love is that Lucy escaped to District 13 and ended up being the mother to Alma Coin, although the only real precedent for this is the ages between the two lining up well, thematically it fits SO well! Like, her entire snake motiff, specially the snakes on her skirt, are a nod to a Mayan goddess who birthed the Mayan god of war, and in a way she 'birthed' the 'god of war' in Snow with her manipulation, and with that theory she also birthed the two women who banded together to kill him ( one metaphorically and the other literally ), Alma Coin who is just as much as a 'war god' in the making and Katniss, who brought him and Alma down for good in one strike. Lucy Grey birthed two problems, Snow when she 'betrayed' him, Alma ( very literally ) and birthed the solution, Katniss, a girl who used all the tools Lucy used to build Snow into the monster he is to smite him down.

[@BugsyFoga]

Certainly the last prequel I was expecting to happen.

[@bajabl]

I feel like lucy felt she was in danger because snow was already showing that he’ll do anything to survive and climb the ladder, so it was only time that she’d be his target too. Like maybe he’d turn her in

[@ControllerNormi3]

They showed that when they talked about her being the last loose end to snows secrets, and just by facial reactions alone they both realized they couldn’t trust each other anymore

[@erinfrazier1439]

Highbottom had valid reasons not to like snow to be fair

[@eligirl100]

Sins of the father are not the sins of the son.

[@erinfrazier1439]

@@eligirl100 I wouldn’t say it was because of that exactly I think it was because he could tell snow was a bad person

[@yadommmmm970]

There's no reason to separate the art from the artist. She's not Kanye West and she's not any douchebag out there in ur industry doing absolute shi. She just said u ain't need no man but like time and time again y'all love to hate on women in every chance u get n got traction with this one. She's amazing and better than most men out there hating on her including u

[@artheaux666]

Girl relax 😂

[@yadommmmm970]

@@artheaux666 boi stfu it's a comment section

[@LetMeExplain]

It’s not disparaging. Relisten.

[@yadommmmm970]

@@LetMeExplain doesn't it make it any fancier. I'm saying everyone would jump on the benevolent hate train if it meant clout. She did nothing wrong

[@LetMeExplain]

For sure. Just commenting on the first post. Making assumptions is the same type of hate made towards her.

[@shilohscott]

I just realized that they were all competing for the same scholarship meaning they all needed it to afford University tuition. They were all putting up a front, not just Snow.

[@morganyoung3557]

I don’t know how likely it would be, but I think think it would be deliciously ironic if Coriolanus left Lucy pregnant with his child and that child is the parent of Katniss’s father. Basically the poster child of the rebellion to overthrow President Snow is his great granddaughter and no one knows it.

[@LaReinaZorra]

Very unlikely, considering they were young & hardly ever alone. It’s a YA story, not a telenovella.

[@Querviinho]

Lucy Gray’s destiny is unclear because it really doesn’t matter what actually happened to her. Dead or alive, her ghost lived on in Snow’s memory till the day he died, his last moment of true happiness in his life was with her, his last genuine feeling of love was to her, his last feeling of betrayal was from her.

[@Zitrolena]

A mini series would have actually fit perfectly. I didn't like the proposition of 2 movies cause i wouldn't know where to part it, but a mini series would fit perfectly

[@delilahherrera9586]

I just noticed the flower snow gives Lucy is one he wears in the hunger games on his suit💀

[@eligirl100]

Roses are just his family thing

[@badgaltinginnit]

Youre a litte mistaken. The song lyrics are, "they strung up a man, they say who murdered 3". This scene was the first execution in the third act, not sejanus' scene.

[@LetMeExplain]

What’s the mistake

[@badgaltinginnit]

​​​@@LetMeExplainaround 16:50 you imply it's sejanus hanging that is detailed in the hanging tree song &again around 17:45

[@LetMeExplain]

The first mention is the peacekeepers hanging 3 The second is just a play on the poem’s lyrics

[@minx7270]

“While the district kids ar getting capped the other ones are getting gowns” Bro😂

[@naomitrazilien3870]

What makes this villain origin story so much different than others is that fact that you get to see his internal struggle and motivations for power vs. other villain origins films which often show something bad happening to the villain to make the characters sympathize with them

[@daarmonet]

the way this movie had me simping for president snow 😭😭😭

[@dariel7001]

seek professional help

[@lidyasworld3130]

He’s objectively attractive but when you read the book and understand his inner dialogue….the attractiveness becomes very irrelevant!!!

[@JadaSnacks]

more drones than Obama... I love your jokes omg. you even said one earlier, something about how the district kids get capped while the capitol kids get gowns. I love your wittiness and that's why I appreciate this channel

[@getdaholywtr1853]

I also like how this movie stays that were forced to root for snow, but at the same time, despise him.

[@tasha3757]

1:45 He doesn’t drink, he’s addicted to the Morphling drug

[@albataliephillips4271]

The fact that you went so much in detail, says alot!

[@hiddenechoes]

I loved it honestly. I usually am obsessed with Suzanne Collins' writing but there were a few critiques I had with this book and from what I recall of those thoughts the film did satisfy the slight changes I had hoped for. I liked it quite a lot.

[@Marauders4EVR]

"Capitol says keep rolling" *Video cuts to a commercial*

[@jackier1726]

Oh my days the way you ended this video was PHENOMENAL. Had me saying the catchphrase along with Katniss

[@maria-ie6zd]

robert pattinson and other male celebrities can openly trash the movies that made them famous and it’s all fun and game but rachel zegler says three bad things about snow white(all valid) and you guys throw a fit

[@ladyofnoxus6733]

First off they didn't trash mouth the movies until years after the phase went down. And secondly nothing she said was valid to the OG Snow White. If you bothered to actually watch it and turn off your everything is sexist glasses and understand that Snow White was not stalked, and the prince was barely in the film for 5mins. The dwarves are the ones to save the day and it was a normal thing for people to kiss goodbye to their loved ones when they passed. It so happened that her and the prince did have true love. Simple. Oh wait you need something to rage about since you live in a western society of privilege and no actual hardships.

[@sabrinathayer6819]

I read the book first and haven’t seen the movie yet but have to say that when reading the books first it’s better than just watching the movies and then reading the book

[@cloudii_6ix]

I havent read th Ebola’s but today I just came back from watching it a 2nd time and it’s good like especially the lake scene and hanging tree scene and Rachel singing it were absolutely chills witnessing it in imax

[@dragonfly12]

13:27 Lucy singing on her eras tours. I got that 😅 and love it

[@roramoya]

from Snow White to Snow fight lmao

[@ryanepic6577]

Just watched the movie and I honestly loved it. Personally found it better than all the other hunger games movies. Without Snow’s inner dialogue that appears in the book, the 3rd part (mainly the switch up that he has on Sejanus and Lucy) does feel a little too fast, but aside from that I thought it was a phenomenal movie. The beautiful music definitely helped a bit too.

[@_joslynjohnson]

like i get how snow gets to his villain arc, but at the same time how did a semi good kid turn into a heartless person.

[@animelover4448]

I think that they are related. I recommend the Carlin Brothers video breaking it all down. I would say that it was a coincidence, but everything just fits TOO perfectly for it to have not been deliberate. Especially with this being a 'Rise of the Lycans' type prequel, where it makes the series a full circle. If they do add to it,, I hope that it's still within that time frame, and doesn't extend an already concluded story(also like underworld 4/5). But depends more like a 'The Clone Wars(TVseries)or a 'Rouge One'

[@abrahamrodriguezpineda1848]

10:50 “sending in more drones than Obama” has me wheezing😂

[@LL-lz6kh]

Literally just watched this film 20 minutes ago in the cinema needed an explanation straight away

[@monimon4418]

im in love with the nepotism in this world

[@AinsleyMichelle]

Plinth Drops on My Guitar 😭😭😭

[@katehache]

I wish they would remake all of the Hunger Games movies into limited series and make them exactly like the books.

[@kennaa173]

Such a good movie. The makeup, casting, sets. I loved it

[@LLbb7777]

Ughh they should have made it a series because there’s so much from the book missing

[@aduraedosa]

I feel like the hunger games and the prequel need to be an 18+ show on HBO w/ 5 seasons

[@lidyasworld3130]

Right like please hurry before I lose my shit

[@lennsaturday5566]

Im a little confused about Snows descent into corruption, maybe they cover this is in the book so if anyone knows please do tell, but during the movie (which was great, I loved it) I was a bit confused as to why he even got so corrupt in the first place. Like one hand it seemed like he was agreeing with his friend and thinking the hunger games was cruel and should stop but needing the scholarship to support his family and falling in love with a D.12 winner, but then after he becomes a peacekeeper man just goes all types of wack seemingly over minimal shit and becomes what he hates. I had a feeling that maybe off screen Gual was putting a lot of shit into his head and if so I would have loved to see more of that. Also was confused as to why Highbottom didn't just communicate to snow that the hunger games was a mistake and he wanted it to stop BUT I understand if that were the case there would be no movie conflict 🤣 I dont think double tapping some arena tribute and it feeling powerful should have been enough, if anything I wish I saw more of the struggle of him trying to internally fight that lust for power cause I feel like if power was his motive it was entirely lost on me. Like for most of the movie I thought the conflict between Snow and Sejanus was that Snow wanted to take down the system from the inside out but Sejanus wanted to do it from the outside in? and then all of a sudden hes just super hateful and out for blood? Would love some insight on this from others who maybe understood this better than me haha 😅

[@ControllerNormi3]

I think they leave out snows inner thoughts on purpose to show how sudden his motivations seem to decent into darkness by others others it makes us less sympathetic to his actions, and it shows how quickly he can turn on someone for his own paranoid self-preservation.

[@ControllerNormi3]

My only gripe with the show actually was when he accidentally said he killed three, snow is depicted as very smart and intuitive so that mistake was kind of random but not bad. However he then comes up with the terrible lie that he killed his old self when could have just partially told the truth by saying he “felt” sejanus’ death was on his hands, which logically makes the most sense and seems the least suspicious. Just seems out of character for him, same with using a family labeled handkerchief to put in the snake tank lol

[@lennsaturday5566]

@@ControllerNormi3 yeah I would agree with this but maybe less so the handkerchief part only cause in the movie (idk about the book yet) that's what he uses to get her tears and in desperation for her to stay alive (possibly out of obsession) he used that. So I give that a pass But I agree with slipping on killing 3, though I almost wonder if in the movie they did that to show how comfortable and disarmed he is around Lucy gray

[@kerrin6633]

​​@@ControllerNormi3wow! I was trying to find a way Snow could converse with Lucy out of that situation but what you said is a good response he could have used! Felt like Sejanus' death was on his hands, then when Lucy asks he can honestly say that he didn't know the capitol would kill him and thought he could report it as a good soldier to reunite with his family and then he thought he could help Sejanus get away from being killed. But maybe that's not honest as in he knew he would lead Sejanus to his death? In any case he didn't intend to kill him or at least regretted it right? Would lUcy understand that he wanted to go back to his family? He only recently made the decision to run away with her and would she understand his previous action/consequences and his new choice

[@Giorginho]

He said killing the kid made him feel powerful. That actually terrifies his cousin because his true colors show. He always looked up to his father as an inspiration, his motives were to rule and be successful. He never let that part of him go and in the end prioritized that over love or being a hero. Maybe he thought he was doing right by his father, helping his family etc. as well. It's pretty compeling to be honest, it makes sense. Did he want to end the Hunger Games at first? Yes, he did but at the end he realizes the life itself is an arena, the Hunger Games are happening in real life and he might as well win it

[@magicsteve5523]

I love the detail that District 12 residents have a southern accent as District 12 is supposed to be Appalachia.