Sonic 3 Prototype - Title Screen Analysis

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Silver Sonic 1992

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@some_body_else3636 Ай бұрын

silver sonic 1992 is the type of guy to wish for more sonic 3 prototype leaks when he sees a shooting star

@Randi_MyMan Ай бұрын

aswell as beta kids, but yea, what if it comes true and we get a build 3 days before and 2 days after this?

@GracefulJabberwocky Ай бұрын

i would too tbh

@ZanderRice-u3z Ай бұрын

I think I might be a beta kid, what does it mean to be a beta kid

@a15TheDumb Ай бұрын

@@ZanderRice-u3z people usually say they're people under 13, who try to get their hands on every prototype recreation ROM-hack they can. (Edit: especially ones that are private, or unfinished)

@ZanderRice-u3z Ай бұрын

Ok, I look for beta remakes/fake betas every so often. And I don’t ask for downloads for every one I see. And when I do ask, If they say it’s unfinished or something, I just carry on with my day.

@madekillasam1553 Ай бұрын

bro made a 30 second title screen to a 6 minute video

@cvgamer_official9008 Ай бұрын

a nearly 7 minute video

@Javesike Ай бұрын

Interesting analysis of the title screen and the game itself. Hopefully more prototypes leak especially the ones with more Sonic & Knuckles levels.

@alexfield290 Ай бұрын

Found a few other things while looking at the disassembled code: - the Sonic 2 demo index is still present, while the used index have four entries that all point to AIZ1 - the level select cheat reuses the Sonic 2 code for the Tails/Miles name swap

@metallicwarrior Ай бұрын

As always, the GOAT of Sonic 3 talking about the behind-the-scenes of a prototype of another GOATed game.

@lnlmotorola Ай бұрын

Surprising to see that this is an updated version of Sonic 2's engine.

@mrring_69 Ай бұрын

I mean, sonic 2 was built on top of sonic 1 so of course they’d do the same for sonic 3.

@DanknDerpyGamer Ай бұрын

IMO it def makes sense - Sonic 2 was built off of Sonic 1 (as the Nick Arcade proto shows), seems logical to take twhat exists, and tweak it into something new than to just write it from scratch.

@swordhere3396 Ай бұрын

@@DanknDerpyGamerit is also easier and better,since you don't have to bother with creating a new engine from the ground up,which takes a lot of time and money.

@not4nikiii Ай бұрын

Sonic 2 is essentially a sonic 1 rom hack, same goes for sonic 3

@DanknDerpyGamer Ай бұрын

@@swordhere3396 E X A C T L Y This reusing and repurposing an existing engine is also seen in Konami's Dance Dance Revolution series (screenshots from DDRMAX DanceDanceRevolution 6thMIX showing DanceDanceRevolution 5thMIX song list/song wheel song title graphics, DDR EXTREME development screenshots showing a garbled music select screen with garbled DDRMAX DanceDanceRevolution 7thMIX graphics, for instance.)

@Shadowed623 Ай бұрын

one thing i've noticed about the title screen is that the sprite bears a striking resemblance to the model used on the cover of the Virtual Sonic album

@SilverSonic1992 Ай бұрын

Yes, it's the same or an earlier version of it.

@zitherq5761 Ай бұрын

To anyone curious about the color differences seen around 0:44 to 1:06 and my amusement We have Sonic 2s on the left, sonic 3s on right. Starting with the 01 color on right with sonic 2 and 3 respectively. 01 Orange = 01 Very Dark Gray (This is Tails Orange in Sonic 2. And in Sonic 3 color 01 is has the very dark grey for outline of Sonics shoe.) 02 Light Orange = 02 Dark Grey 03 Dark Red = 03 Grey 04 Bright Red = 04 Bright Grey 05 Dark Peanut = 05 Similar 06 Light Peanut = Similarly (Colors 05 and 06 are for Sonics skin tones. These positions match in the sequence between both.) 07 Dark Grey = 07 Orange 08 Mid Grey = 08 Light Orange 09 Light Grey = 09 Dark Red 10 White = 10 Bright Red 11 Lightest blue= 11 Green 12 Light Blue = 12 Darkest Blue 13 Mid Blue = Mid Blue 14 Dark Blue= Light Blue. 15 Black = White. You can see the blues go Darker to Light in Sonic 2, but Lighter to Dark in Sonic 3. EDIT: I fixed an error i made in this comment. I forgot to list Black on the sonic 2 side. And there was a mistaken extra blue taking its place. I decided to call 13 mid blue. It should be right now lol

@ryuujikohsinskishinigami4384 Ай бұрын

I always thought that the Title Screen lasted only for such a short time, because back then they still had the Sonic 2 Title Theme. Turns out, I was wrong. Keep at it though, can't wait for the next one!

@ayoraster2970 Ай бұрын

I wonder what animation could have facilitated 47 frames, and what kinda movement woul dhave made the repeat in frames 5-8 work? Very cool find!

@scyrulean Ай бұрын

I give it a week before the sonic with the fucked up palette becomes an exe 😭

@xis350 Ай бұрын

Oh wow, that's really interesting. I always wanted to know what kind of mess is going here. Thanks for the explanation!

@EL_OEMS Ай бұрын

This is just beautiful! Love all the info here, keep on boss!!! ❤

@SilverSonic1992 Ай бұрын

Thanks!

@Random_Runner1107 Ай бұрын

Les go new vid!

@sergeisonic95 Ай бұрын

I would LOVE to see the 47 frames animated version of the tittle screen, great video ^o^ )/

@NamelesslyNamed64 Ай бұрын

WOOOOOO MORE SONIC 3 PROTOTYPE ANALYSIS CONTENT, my FAV!

@wyattmanhabel644 Ай бұрын

I'm guessing the 47 frame animation in the title screen would've essentially been similar to the S3 title screen we got (like where Sonic flies into the Screen), but less optimized and more smooth

@wyattmanhabel644 Ай бұрын

Frame 17 would be the transition, and thr Frame repeating would be the Sega logo

@heyitsanotherben Ай бұрын

So for stuff like 2:56 that still exists unused in the final game did dataminers find this stuff before knowing about the prototype and just not really know what it was or did they only find it after seeing it in the prototype and looking for it?

@SilverSonic1992 Ай бұрын

It's possible, but I've never seen it mentioned before.

@oshabot1646 Ай бұрын

I always thought the Sega screen turning black except the logo and keeping the lines white was intentional to make it look cool or something (especially mixed with the muffled audio), even though it was just for a prototype and not the final game lol

@gengar-1997 Ай бұрын

people! we need to keep searching for Sonic 3 prototypes! if we're lucky, we might find a build that's older than this one! (the 1103 prototype is actually from late October. i would assume it to be dated somewhere between October 20th and October 31st, meaning that the proto is from the last month of development)

@protocetid Ай бұрын

I don’t think the search ever stops, took decades of non stop hunting to get this one.

@gengar-1997 Ай бұрын

@@protocetid a September 1993 proto of Sonic 3 would be great, or at least a 4 megabyte prototype before the April 8 proto

@fofuracebola Ай бұрын

THE SONIC.EXE IS REAL can we get much higheeeer

@gigaslave Ай бұрын

That fella just stole old graphical data and used the S2 palette lmaooo.

@SilverSonic1992 Ай бұрын

Now use Debug Mode during the ending of Sonic 3A.

@DAJTheYouTuber_2007 Ай бұрын

lets gooo more S3 Proto content

@JohnWayne-bm1ty Ай бұрын

That color pallete test looks nice

@SONIC3ANIMATION100 Ай бұрын

Welcome back my man

@drgabi18 Ай бұрын

2:11 (In Flightsreacts style) YO THAT'S ME

@zrisethesonicgamer Ай бұрын

6:33 I swear I unironically got to that palette test screen using a glitch that happened on an emulator after using certain game genie/action replay codes Edit: In Sonic 3 And Knuckles

@corerewinded Ай бұрын

Made my day >333

@BigWorldOSC Ай бұрын

5:55 Tails has encountered a !(@^#^#@*.

@protocat21 Ай бұрын

Very Interesting!

@reddy64 Ай бұрын

thinking about an alternate timelines where they used that green for his eyes

@TheRealJadenPlayz Ай бұрын

A new title screen look at

@champion_ofcloud-var Ай бұрын

i sure hope it does

@KioskJelly Ай бұрын

actually interesting that there are 47 (43) different frames coded in. would have it resulted in a longer/smoother animation? I dont think there was one, just coded into the ROM before the sprites being imported, since the tiles would have taken up a lot of cartridge space.

@LethalBubbles Ай бұрын

I hope Sonic 3 Alpha broken palette SEGA logo sonic joins the ranks of Weichidna and Ashura and Blue Knuckles. gotta admit the black and orange eyes with the white shoes looks pretty cool.

@EpicKMetalSonic Ай бұрын

He's literally Cyborg Sonic with orange eyes

@bluecoldknuckles1738 Ай бұрын

🎉Happy 1971th Late Birthday Sonic 3 1103 Prototype! (1993-2024)🎉

@anthonydelamare8612 6 күн бұрын

0:34 wow sonic.exe before sonic.exe

@Brainulator9 Ай бұрын

2:45 By chance, where is this unused code?

@SilverSonic1992 Ай бұрын

Under locret_3AB0 in the Sonic 3A disassembly.

@Brainulator9 Ай бұрын

@SilverSonic1992 Thanks!

@Saetta06 Ай бұрын

how did they program in a sprite scaling function??

@ΓαΙζεί Ай бұрын

How do I get the unused intro "animation" at 4:05?

@SilverSonic1992 Ай бұрын

Use the code 0035F8:001C

@luisl173 Ай бұрын

yay

@LogicLeftTheGame Ай бұрын

The model of Sonic in this protorype feels more akin to S1/S2 Sonic instead of the final one which is akin to S3/SK Sonic. EDIT: That model feels more or so likely the same one used in SK's title screen and in Blue Spheres.

@segahatty Ай бұрын

Interesting stuff, I guess.

@greenknight9000 Ай бұрын

Is there a reason as to why Angel Island skips the intro if you load the level yourself, unlike when it does when you let the demo play?

@SnoopygrayHere Ай бұрын

I wish an earlier prototype will be found

@MotivatedSharkie Ай бұрын

Because how can the developers of the gamecom release of Sonic Jam have those early assets?!? Do they have the prototype?

@SilverSonic1992 Ай бұрын

@@MotivatedSharkie I think they had source code assets.

@Useott Ай бұрын

Neat!

@somemadnessfan4763 Ай бұрын

istg why is there atleast 3 different sightings of an X lookalike in Sonic 3K you'd think there be a black eyed Sonic glitch in S1 and S2 too but the closest thing to it is Ashura

@alienlucas89 Ай бұрын

What disassembler do you use?

@TeSu-fs7mp Ай бұрын

Is there a code to run the animation script on the title screen?

@SilverSonic1992 Ай бұрын

0035F8:001C will do it.

@TeSu-fs7mp Ай бұрын

@@SilverSonic1992Not to bother you again, but does the SEGA screen still attempt to load the Silver Sonic sprites?

@SilverSonic1992 Ай бұрын

@@TeSu-fs7mp Nope.

@charliegreekdominos69420 Ай бұрын

Never thought I'd get here early.

@KingConor-t6g Ай бұрын

0:41 Sonic EXE is real after all!

@Reanmashups Ай бұрын

I want to ask is there any sonic 2 songs left in sonic 3?

@SilverSonic1992 Ай бұрын

Only jingles like the drowning countdown or the Chaos Emerald.

@Sonictheoofhog4 Ай бұрын

Unrelated but If Sonic has a green color in his S3 palette then They were planning the redesign since sonic 3!? (No)

@JunioristaDeVerdad 3 күн бұрын

4:05

@BumperTop Ай бұрын

Hi there. I don’t know if this was already known, but basically on RetroArch, I pressed the Y + Start button on the title, and when I loaded AIZ it gave me the debug mode. Now, I know that the Genesis controller as 3 buttons, but any explanation on why this happens?

@robertanderson9447 Ай бұрын

There were also official six-button controllers, they may have been used in testing.

@BumperTop Ай бұрын

@ oh. Didn’t knew that. That may answer it then.