Sonic Forces Me To Be Frustrated

Sonic forces is a confusing , lacklustre and frustrating game. Today, let's take a look as to why I believe it's perhaps the most disappointing title in the entire series.
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[@Multiplayer-id3gf]

I loved unleashed Sexy soundtrack(skyscraper scamper) Best story since then Jason Griffith Darker skin and longer spikes Endless possibilities When sonic gets friendzoned by Amy

[@Hobhunks]

Multiplayer 3185 you love to see culture in the comments section and here it is

[@SPGojiFan]

Same here!

[@mr.incognitoyt2235]

Wait, he got friendzoned...by Amy?

[@Blapedred]

More like Amy got friendzoned by Sonic

[@pickledgarf]

If the werehog levels and the hub worlds were more streamlined it might be one of the best sonic games. But in the state it's in I just can bring myself to love the game. It's definitely not the worst sonic game though.

[@TheFrostedfirefly]

I'm glad you mentioned that Zavok boss fight lmao, I literally spent SO long when I first played that because I literally could not figure out when they wanted me to damage him. Whenever he went to come slam onto the ground I ALWAYS jumped to avoid what I assumed would be a stun attack like in most games that use that. At that point I honestly thought I bugged the game so decided to let him kill me... ...of course he didn't kill me, that was when he launched Sonic into the air and I my jaw dropped at the realisation of how they wanted me to handle that boss fight. On another note with that boss in particular, Sonic actually controls GREAT for literally nothing but that ONE section of the game. His acceleration is responsive. His turning is responsive. He doesn't feel too slippery despite all this. They ironically ended up tweaking Sonic's controls into a form I was comfortable with and NEVER used those controls again lol. They might have been similar to the Avatar's I'm not sure but I can't explain it, something just felt smoother and it was wasted on a boss fight for a villain I never cared about and a fight that wasn't planned that well.

[@Hobhunks]

It’s crazy isn’t it? Feels like that and the second part of the final boss cap your acceleration. It’s not even the same as the avatar it’s a completely different way of control which shows it was possible elsewhere but isn’t used again outside of those fights

[@drakechandler9014]

Can't believe I didn't consider it until now, but you're comment on never looking back at the end hit me hard. SA1-06 did have that theme at a regular rate. We all have regrets and want to do things differently, but we see how unhealthy it is to be tied to that. Tikal takes Chaos away because she's moved on and Chaos didn't--but learns to by the end. And that's coming from a creature that cannot even speak. Shadow is the same as he's driven by revenge over the past, but wakes up to a new meaning in life and independently sacrifices himself for the planet. Heroes hardly had a plot, but Team Dark was a memorable part of the game. Shadow eventually decides he doesn't care about his memory loss, and Rouge is comforted by Omega. They all decide to, at some point, figure that Shadow's memory is just not worth worrying about when there are better adventures to go on. Shadow the Hedgehog the game is a step back and makes Shadow go through the same arc again, but at least it reached the same conclusion, more definitively, and literally ends on a song called "Never Turn Back." And in 06, Silver is a character who second guesses his decisions all the time; but that makes him easily manipulated and accused of being naive by Blaze. Meanwhile, Sonic encouraged Elise to confront her problems; and Shadow was a voice of solitude and reason that Mephiles couldn't break since he was over his phase of ever regretting his actions. "If the world chooses to become my enemy... I will fight like I always have." But now Sonic Team is less Shadow and Sonic, and more like a real life Silver. They don't know what they want other than to "fix it," regardless of what "it" even actually is. So they're bullied by reviewers and outcries in the fanbase to just keep throwing shit at a dart board with no understanding of what they're even making. Recent news and rumors get me more hopeful that maybe new blood will step up and make a more concrete franchise again; but all of January so far has just been news of who won't be working on the next game and nothing on who will.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

Great point, yet all I want from them is an actual 3D platformer, no boost, no 2D sections just a fast paced 3D environment to clear.

[@spence8507]

Good news Ian Flynn is writing the story of Sonic Frontiers.

[@maude7420]

I like to bring that game up when people still make jokes about 2006 being the worst or something almost 14 years later They usually don't respond

[@Hobhunks]

MsPapaille You’re doing Gods work

[@originalname1008]

2006 is definitely much worse. This game is mostly just the definition of mediocre. 2006 was full of bugs and long loading screens.

[@evancamposs]

@@originalname1008 and thats it.A game that was released unfinished.If had the time needed,sure would be a good game. Forces in the other hand is just a bad game because they made it bad,in every aspect.

[@UltimateTS64]

@@originalname1008 I feel like the fact that Forces is finished and polished, but still isn't as fun as 06 is an argument that Forces is worse in and of itself. Forces is just bland and never takes its ideas far enough

[@Koko-cy4ff]

@@originalname1008, whoa, you mean to tell me that Sonic '06 bad? Thanks, must have missed that part.

[@bigroaststyrone8135]

The worst thing Sonic Forces did by far is make people think that Sonic 06 is good

[@Nice_Person7379]

06 has a reason to be bad. Forces doesnt

[@SPGojiFan]

06 > Forces

[@Omega-jg4oq]

Sonic Forces forces you to accept this Forced Sh*t and it's should have The Force to be better than this, lol I'm playing with words and it's actually fitting with it

[@lnsflare1]

I never understand people who say that Unleashed is a "Boost to Win" game. "Boost to Control Well," certainly, but the plain old "Boost to Win" mindset is a good way to slam into the terrain, launch yourself into the void, or completely miss the better alternate paths, depending on which point of the level you try to do that in.

[@TaleOfTheToaster]

Hobhunks this was bloody good, you hear me?? Your analysis of Forces was pretty much spot on, I love that you’re willing to praise it where it’s deserved, but every big negative was brought up and complimented so well with perfect footage. I can see this must have taken hours and hours to edit! Your Sonic impression in the middle of the video (something something LOSER) was randomly bang on and I think you’ve given me a kick of hope for the next Sonic game. Let’s chat about my time with Forces. When it comes to Sonic, you and I differ strongly on one key area and that’s Sonic Lost World. I loved it. I had no real interest in getting it, particularly after seeing the negative reviews, but I ended up getting it for free with Mario Kart 8 and I just really liked it. It still stands as my second favourite 3D Sonic behind only Adventure 1. But it’s the fact that critics and even people like yourself totally ragged on Lost World for reasons I still struggle to fathom, that I was all the more encouraged to play Forces. It felt like it was happening again. People disliked Lost World so I loved it - it stands to reason that now people hate Forces, I’ll enjoy that too, right? Oh god no. I’m amazed that you claim Forces can be beaten within 3 hours because it felt way longer to me. I couldn’t wait for it to be over. Genuinely just not fun. Not amusingly bad like ‘06 or Shadow, not falling short of its potential like Adventure 2 or Lost World (apparently), just outright not fun. The cons really do outweigh the negatives and it hurts, man. Nothing is more iconic than the cutscene of everyone mourning the “tortured” Sonic being *immediately* followed up by a voiced line on the World Map saying “oh we found him, he’s OK!” This has to be the sharpest 180 in gaming history and I’m amazed it was put in there on purpose. Fantastic video mate, excited for more, particularly Lost World: How My Opinion Changed

[@Hobhunks]

TaleOfTheToaster cheers bud :) yeah I was working on this since last Friday just for the editing, the script was finished during like week 3 of lockdown and the audio recorded 2 weeks ago. Lost world is such an odd one to me, it, like Forces, lays out some interesting concepts. The problem with Lost World tho is that everything is just so meh, unlike Forces which I explained squanders it’s potential worse and does its levels badly. Me and Jacob did a full LP of Lost World which I feel spills my thoughts a bit more in detail but to give you the skinny: Some levels are great (Windy Hill 1 +2, Desert Ruins 1, Tropical coast 3, Frozen Factory 4, Silent Forest 1 + 2, Sky Road 2 before the boss and Lava Mountain 3’s 3D sections) but the the rest all feel so uninspired and un-Sonic that it’s difficult to praise them. Also just throwing a casino level in a “factory” and a sweet level in a desert (I get the joke but like haway). None of this is helped by how generic all the themes are either. Deadly 6 are just lame. Jacob put it best when he said their designs look like unfinished Monsters Inc characters rather than sonic ones and their personalities are flatter than any others in the series. Their bosses are far too easy and dialogue (outside of Zor) just isn’t fulfilling. I do like how they talk to you within the levels tho, and I am glad Forces tried to do something with characters chatting within levels because of Lost World’s groundwork. I love the idea of the story being a crisis of confidence story for Sonic, but they never fully commit. Like halfway through the game he just starts being mopey, but then when he sees one of the 6 he’s back to being jokey. This is where his character flip flopping really started to get to me and gosh dang it it’s frustrating. I don’t think I need to go into my thoughts on Tails either. The parkour is the next logical step for a sonic game which isn’t boost but it’s so poorly explained in game. Also why does almost every parkour move need to have sonic move super slow on startup, like when he mounts a platform he loses all his speed and has to start from scratch, feels more like a punishment for not jumping honestly. There’s are some things to praise about LW, and I feel that if they’d stuck with the parkour system it could have been refined into something really great with a bit more speed, less clunk and better level themes, but because of how little it feels they commit to their ideas it just feels like a waste. Thanks again for the feedback bud xxx

[@traviscunningham7062]

@@Hobhunks at least the 3DS version fixes the level themes.

[@zerobeatw2059]

hilariously most of the stuff listed as what people wanted.... I didn't. I didn't care about the avatar. I hate most Sonic vocal themes. The most serious I EVER want a Sonic story is Unleashed... nothing more than that, it doesn't work to me. so yeah.... the trailers immediately turned me off oddly enough. and in the end... I skipped it and I don't regret it. I don't even hate this game... it just wasn't the Sonic game for ME and that's absolutely ok. it doesn't have to be for me. I can still play Generations, which I do. and Mania was out that year so I kept playing it. So if you like/love Forces, then that's fine.

[@DeltaBlazin]

*Well, you don't have to worry about me, I fucking hate this game.* Not for your reasons, but because they failed on all of the things they said would be delivered.

[@zerobeatw2059]

@@DeltaBlazin that's totally understandable honestly. tho I personally don't know what they really were aiming for here. but I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't deliver on whatever that was supposed to be. I tuned out after a few trailers so yeah, I can't really speak on what this was supposed to be

[@christophercolumbus6474]

I have never played Sonic Forces but the soundtrack is pretty great. I listen to it a lot. Sunset Heights Casino Forest Faded hills Lost valley Luminous Forest

[@psionics321]

Gameplay wise, the main problem with Forces is how linear most stages are. Sure, Sonic stages are generally linear but not to the extent that there's only one path you can take to the end as opposed to multiple

[@Nothavinit00]

Sonic Forces is flat out garbage. It is my least favorite Sonic game because literally nothing made sense! I also thought the color contrast was extremely bland compared to the likes of Generations.

[@calebgreaves9114]

my man doesnt have enough subs

[@Hobhunks]

Thanks man ^_*

[@ADiretoria100]

I just want to say, I am at the first minutes in the video, I like Phantom Menace and Jar Jar, 06 is my fav game of all time, and even I think Forces is such a mediocre garbage. Anyway great video so far, seems interesting

[@nedalomar4216]

Worst modern sonic game

[@DanielFiala]

My man Fudj sent me here from twitter. Good video, I watch a weirdly large amount of sonic videos, given that I'm not that into the franchise, so this was up my ally. I guess I like watching a franchise's stumbles when I'm not that invested. I do play the good ones whenever the fandom seems to generally agree! Generations was a lot of fun. Anyway, subbed, and I'll probably check out the rest of your videos soon

[@Hobhunks]

Daniel Fiala The trials of Bluehog Fast are funny tbf, thanks for the dub my mans *_^

[@DonutSwordsman]

what did you think of sonic adventure 2? i feel people give it a hard time like dark souls 2.

[@Strashky]

just give me an unleashed remaster for ps5 and ill be happy for another decade

[@Hobhunks]

Imagine though

[@nman551]

Yes

[@Syuurp]

Just get an Xbox series S, solid 60fps and 4k. Wasn’t even an Xbox fan before but gotta admit their backwards comparability is on point

[@Strashky]

@@Syuurp As much of a sonic fan that I am, I can't just buy an entire console just to play one game :( Also, I love to grind for platinum trophies on these games. The Xbox achievement equivalent doesnt feel as rewarding to me.

[@pastellandscape4286]

That's one of my biggest gripes about forces too, episode shadow, they brought every Sonic fans' hopes up just to crush them all within the first freaking 20 seconds of episode shadow. No one was expecting the world, but everyone was expecting more than 3 minutes in total playing as shadow. Episode shadow was just a joke, and forces is the joke that goes on for an uncomfortable amount of time. Also, I never thought of that before, Sonic team can never use "Dr. eggman takes over the world and threatens the planet" again because of how much of a trash pile forces was.

[@desmondmalone438]

5:33 And then damn Eggman is there ruining the fun of a sonic level

[@charmyzard]

No fun allowed. (for Sonic) - Eggman, probably.

[@Wyshes]

Binging your content atm, I've never played this but it's clear you did your research on this one. Keep it up 😍

[@Hobhunks]

Thank you friend ^_^ Glad you enjoyed

[@JDFrank20Diaz]

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[@Wyshes]

@@JDFrank20Diaz bro I'm just here for hobhunks man dude fam

[@TreyTheWilliam]

26:55 I didn't play Colors with the navigator on, so I'm just now learning about this. Really neat touch, honestly.

[@Hobhunks]

It’s a really great touch honestly :)

[@desmondmalone438]

24:37 Well this is canon lol

[@CrispyJM]

The joke at 24:40 LMAO Great video friend

[@Hobhunks]

What can I say, I'm really funny and cool and smart and handsome and educated and

[@bashcatz]

Oh my. Only 300 subs you are underrated you probably worked very hard!

[@Hobhunks]

Thank you gamer! Very much appreciated xoxo

[@raybob8668]

Automation

[@Sea_of_Waves]

One of the most awkward parts in Forces was when Omega showed up and it was supposed to be an epic “I have arrived” moment, but it was so poorly executed and didn’t matter at all

[@Hobhunks]

Rouge’s reaction just being “wow you’re here? Awesome” doesn’t help, nor does the fact he now shoots dinky little energy blasts as opposed to massive cannons

[@Sea_of_Waves]

@@Hobhunks He really was laying it down with those bullets in Heroes. I guess they gave him Stormtrooper guns now

[@deslardesslok]

5 MONTHS LATE SQUAD WHERE YOU AT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[@garretts6678]

You remember when Sonic 06 was the point where Sonic needed to die? Sonic Forces was the point where Sega needed to die!

[@Hobhunks]

Sonic need to die

[@twostove3030]

Your underrated also great video

[@l.0blu]

i really enjoyed your video keep up the work!

[@Sly9192]

So no one's gonna mention Sonic's jump animation

[@Sly9192]

@@tommurchuis5464 the way his and shadows jump look is terrible

[@Sly9192]

@@tommurchuis5464 Nope don't like it

[@cloroxbleach371]

@@Sly9192 You mean when the it has a neon color around it? If so have you've ever played a morden sonic game.

[@Sly9192]

@@cloroxbleach371 No I'm talking about forces jump animation

[@cloroxbleach371]

@@Sly9192 whats wrong with it?

[@itsyaboi1846]

If sonic boom was suppose to be here. I got a plot. Have Eggman find the phantom ruby, and give it to Infinite (who is under his control which is why he wears the mask). Later it will be revealed, and the player will see a snake like figure in the background even hear the figure voice. Infinite destroys the chaos emeralds, and master emerald, which leads to a multiverse chaos happening. So that whole classic sonic from another dimension can somewhat make sense. So sonic is kidnapped as usually, classic sonic shows up but it's clear he really is from another dimension. Have Boom Sonic appear to save silver instead of regular sonic. Modern Sonic is still in space, and has a grudge against eggman, and infinite. Once then have the three meet up, which again everything can go like it did in the story, however. Instead of having Eggman as the final boss is lyric, who has cause all of this to happen. Lyric is the big bad, who has teamed up with Eggman to destroy Sonic. Have the 7 crystals from the Boom games appear to give all three sonic's a new form. Something more powerful than hyper. idk it's just off the top of my head.

[@bootygang3144]

Sonic Forces was a game that I enjoyed but only really enjoyed cause sonic games are generally pretty fun. There is only 4 games (that I've played) from Sonic which were appaling that being Shadow The Hedgehog, Sonic 4 Episode 1, Free Riders, and Rise Of Lyric (I've played a good amount of the more notorious ones like Secret Rings, 06, and Sonic 4 Episode 2 and found them to at the very least be enjoyable). Every other Sonic game is enjoyable but Forces is one of the games that pushes closest to being terrible. The levels weren't all terrible there were certain ones that are a ton of fun and I come back to often with my personal favorite being Mortar Canyon. But the majority of the game is meh, I only find around a 3rd of the levels to be fun with the rest mostly being eh and some that are just bad (probably a little over half the game is fine with the rest being levels I never go back to). My main gripe with the game is it's story. It feels like they wanted to make a great story but every great idea they had just fell through and ended up being nothing. Sonic levels I thought were the best levels in the game but only a few good ones, the cac is a great idea and the the gadgets they use that can allow them to take different paths I think is a genius idea and some of the levels are fun but most of the maps were just boring, the cac levels are maybe a tad bit under modern Sonic levels for me. Then there is classic sonic were I can't enjoy any of the levels, I dreaded every time I seen I had to play as him. The tag team levels were actually probably my favorites but there was only a few. The soundtrack was good but on the lower end for a Sonic game. The boss fights were fine the only I didn't care about was the Metal Sonic fight. As for characters I wasn't upset over the inclusion of classic Sonic. Story wise I thought the idea made sense that because Infinites actions caused classic Sonic to crossover dimensions. The issue was that they didn't really explain how it happened. They pretty just went with the meme "Sources: Trust Me Bro". I would've liked them to give more explanation behind it. Speaking of infinite he had a ton of potential. The story they set up for him in the Shadow episode I thought was a great idea but just like classic Sonic it was only just an idea and had no real execution. I would've liked to play as Shadow when he destroyed Infinites group and I would've liked the beat up on Ininite but don't let us know at the time that it was Infinite. Infinite trying to get revenge on Shadow then getting beat up and the episode ending in Infinite gaining his power and really becoming Infinite was cool but they don't play up on this at all for the rest of the story so it made that cool moment feel pointless. Infinite should've had his motive and we should've known it but instead the only thing we know about Infinite throughout the main story is that he is evil. If there was more focus given to infinites backstory and a lot more focus throughout the main story where we could see his motives and we could see him be an actual character who is hell bent on avenging his past and wanting to be the strongest to never have to deal with moments like that again not just a robot, he could've been a top tier villian as he already looks cool, has a cool power set, and has a great theme but unfortunately the execution was poor. The last character that underwhelmed me was Silver because he is my favorite character in the franchise, for as bad as Sonic 06 was I love the game because of it's story and Silver was the main reason for it so when I seen he was gonna be in this game I was ecstatic. He even had a fight with infinite which was amazing, until I realized that you never play as Silver, he hardly has any importance to the story, and the fight with Infinite is something you happen in the background of a cutscene for 2 seconds and that's it. Easily the most underwhelming aspect of the game to me. Overall I don't hate the game and certainly don't consider it the worst but the game probably disappoints me more than any other game in the franchise cause of all the potential it had to be great but that potential was wasted and instead of getting a top tier Sonic game we got just an ok Sonic game

[@FreshmenTV]

I just wanna say great video.. and lost world was the beginning of the end for Sonic stories in games

[@Hobhunks]

Thanks man ^_^ personally I think colours is that point just cause of how barebones it felt

[@SuperjjFlash]

Amazing video 👍🏾

[@Hobhunks]

Cheers gamer

[@iggyminious]

I hope you realize that there is another video out there with the exact same name but with the "To" in lowercase.

[@Hobhunks]

Iggyminious thanks for flagging this up, changed it slightly

[@desmondmalone438]

25:39 and don’t forget the old Archie comic we’re sonic showed more emotion there too sega just made him to carefree for the belief that a hero just no human emotion just to show their “awesomeness” a real hero fight adversity and have human traits there vulnerability so we can relate to them I love those and the Archie comics because I get to see sonic personalities it a shame that recent sonic game lost that for “kids” to love

[@dantemitsoyu977]

Earned a sub well put together video good editing Portrayed your points well Bout to watch the unleashed one

[@Hobhunks]

Thanks gamer! Hope you enjoy

[@goatsanimations4480]

4:49 made my day

[@Hobhunks]

Glad to hear it ^_^

[@NocturnalFudj]

I agree Hobhunks Green Hill Zone CAN fuck off Excellent video my friend

[@Hobhunks]

I fuckin' HATE Green Hill Zone

[@theminecraft2516]

Sonic Forces My least favorite Mainline Sonic game

[@Hobhunks]

The king Ankylosaurus just under secret rings for me

[@theminecraft2516]

HobHunks Oh yeah I was just counting the games in Generations but if we count all of Sonic Team’s games then Secret Rings is definitely below Forces because of how tedious it is

[@Hobhunks]

The king Ankylosaurus reckon it had potential but the progression and control just kill it man. Also I meant to say rings is bottom, Forces just above it

[@STH201]

Great video

[@ruwaimalqubaisi4163]

I’m kind of confused about people still making fun of 06 like years later yes it was dog shit

[@coltonk.3086]

Bruh the video title is perfect

[@Hobhunks]

Thanks man :)

[@NoHandle44]

24:55 Hey, that was a good Sonic character.

[@DonutSwordsman]

The gameplay was so sad it ruined the entire game. even the most mid fan games control better

[@javierkiman8302]

Wii, Wii u and Switch are plastic visuals in a virtual game with similarities to tar.

[@aigeneratedwauigi2696]

I wish boom sonic was in the game instead of avatar. Also having adventure sonic would make having 4 sonics seem funny

[@RiayToons]

ככה זה כשהופכים את המשחק לסוג של פנטזיה ומדע בדיוני במקום לספר לך על המסר האקולוגי ועל כמה חשוב לשמור על כוכב הלכת שלנו.

[@SPGojiFan]

Sonic Forces is the worst Sonic game ever made, hands down!

[@Hobhunks]

3rd I'd personally say, only Secret Rings and Sonic 4 are worse to me

[@SPGojiFan]

@@Hobhunks As yes! The infamous Sonic 4 (both episodes)

[@customarymaniac4002]

@@SPGojiFan I Personally Liked The 2nd Episode,The First One...Well *Insert Image Of a Trashcan Burning*

[@cloroxbleach371]

It's bad but definitely not the worst.

[@SPGojiFan]

@@cloroxbleach371 There is absolutely no reason to defend Forces. It's the worst I have EVER COME ACROSS! And no, I have not played Free Riders nor any of the Boom Games. But I played shitty ones like Sonic 4, Colors, Lost World, If you say Forces is better than 06, then you're wrong. 06 is a million times better than the horseshit that was Forces. And thank god Forces is a complete utter failure, at least 06 sell many copies and done so well, unlike Forces that flopped harder than EVERY SONIC GAME IN HISTORY! And this is coming from a fan

[@zeusdeegoose7497]

Sonic Forces You to Press Y

[@TheRealJochen]

I really wish I could like this game. Sadly it sucks.

[@Hobhunks]

Samesies

[@Ninjago-News]

😎

[@DonutSwordsman]

i agree with everthing except that you are confused about eggman making infinite. It makes complete sense, he can make someone into something and they can still be someone else before. Raiden from metal gear solid was Jack before the government MADE him into raiden. Hes probably in a test tube because eggman obviously infused him with the gem. what dont you get?

[@JuanPablo-su6vw]

Sonic team always take the worst part of his games ¿Doesn t look?

[@Hobhunks]

Juan Pablo this feels like they weren’t trying to but ended up doing it by accident

[@JuanPablo-su6vw]

HobHunks yeah

[@Kriseiri]

Your Sonic voice is uncanny

[@Hobhunks]

Thank you man ^\^

[@75JUNAKI]

24:55 : Just like the way you said it

[@Hobhunks]

Thanks man :)

[@TaxiBot]

28:33 Remember this! Chaos Emeralds had been sealed inside the center of the Earth since Sonic Unleashed after defeating Perfect Dark Gaia!

[@Hobhunks]

An interesting point, but surely when they feature in Gens surely super sonic reverting at the end of gens would bring them back to the timeline? Also they’re literally in lost world so like idk if that holds up, still an interesting point tho!

[@TaxiBot]

@@Hobhunks Ever since Sonic helped Light Gaia (aka. Chip) to save the whole planet from chaos that was Dark Gaia, the literal god of Earth grants Sonic instant access to Chaos Emeralds (you know, the friendship thing I guess). In Sonic Generations however, because of Time Eater, the said emeralds were scattered in White Space. Why? They were part of Sonic's history just like Crisis City from Sonic 06 (hence Silver The Hedgehog). Still, I have no idea how come Classic Sonic still can use Chaos Emeralds in Modern universe.

[@VaxWax]

we know

[@Hobhunks]

Phew, I thought you’d missed the memo

[@xSoporific1]

I still like it

[@Hobhunks]

How odd

[@catfrombowsersfury1654]

26:56 sounds like whitty from fnf

[@suhaybwars]

Tbh I believe that the only way for Sega to make an amazing sonic game is to remake sonic as one cohesive concept. What I mean is that since 2004 Sega has experimented with sonic so many times (heroes's team mechanic, genies, a sword, warehog, wisps, classic Sonic, all of lost world) that there is no cohesive definition of what the fuck the sonic even is. When fans talk about making sonic good which sonic are u talking about classic, Dreamcast, boost, classic, O'6, story book games, rush games, there are so many different variations of sonic that each games only connection to one another is that sonic is the main character. And better yet, the fans are extremely decisive (even more than the paper Mario fans) so many fans want sonic to be so many different things, some want sonic to keep the adventure formula, some want him to keep the boost, some want sonic to be strictly 2D, some want Sonic's friends to be in the games others hate them with a firerly rage, some want sonic to be light hearted, others want it to be serious, sonic is so many different things that Sega can never make all the fans or even a majority happy. Compared to other platformers like Mario, crash, Kirby and ECT have one cohesive concept and blueprint of what the series is and represents and when applying new ideas it should fit and blend to what the series conceptually is. Sonic like I said is so radically different in each entry of his franchise that there is no cohesive blueprint of what sonic is. Now I'm not saying that every franchise should not have one style I'm just saying a small amount of variations to flesh out the franchise but also making it small in quantity so that the fans can be cut in 2 or 3 or 4 branches for example for Mario there is the 3d games, the 2d ones, the sports spin offs, and the RPGs (Luigi's mansion, Yoshi's island and wario ware are all there own franchises) so Nintendo can release 4 different Mario games to satisfy all four teams. But sonic is so fucked up when it comes for this that one sonic game causes and new branch in the fandom. So what I would do is to reinvent the franchise, make a conceptual blueprint for the franchise and make games that follow it, maybe add to or more branches of the series for variety but make it small and concise that's it mostly.

[@mazkeraid4039]

And then you have Frontiers and let me put this in perspective here: And Yoshi and Wario may have their own game's but at the end of the day, they are Mario characters that happens to have spinoff. No such difference with Sonic as platforming with high speed is all it needs, not too different.

[@suhaybwars]

@@mazkeraid4039 sonic needs to be remade from the ground up to make it conceptually hold on it's own 2 feet (make it more than high speed platforming)

[@mazkeraid4039]

@@suhaybwars No we don’t, and you may not notice, 2D and 3D are all but dimensional view and not a gameplay style, the gameplay is what makes the game. Also, that’s nothing but a wish fulfillment at this point and then Open Zone is enough to consider and this is something Sonic Team can keep it that way which should fill up much of the possibility it could have.

[@suhaybwars]

@@mazkeraid4039 hard disagree companies create new gameplay styles in response of the game either being 2d or 3d (3d Mario is a sandbox style game while 2d is more archaic)

[@mazkeraid4039]

@@suhaybwars And that’s when you’re missing a bigger picture. 2D, 3D I don’t even bother with that, just commit to it. They took out the life system because let’s face it, they are holdovers from arcade times. Also, Sonic Team is doing the best they can, but on the other hand, they have to go through higher ups and they did for delay meaning that they just want the game to be played stable and I just want a fun game to play, that’s it. Trust me, I’ve been playing Mario and later on the creativeness is starting to dwindle, there are cracks that not too many people have noticed. And if you think they’ll make it more than high speed platforming, they already did that and not you or I would be able to do about that.

[@mr.irrelevant8826]

Its 🗑

[@chandelight59]

Sonic forces is fucking abismall

[@KyleEvra]

When you mentioned DA I left a dislike. You're one of those people who poke fun of Sonic fan characters. "HHEHE DeviantArt SONIC FAN CHARACTER DDDURRRR!" I honestly was very happy they let you costumized a character even though choices for species were limited. You get to be the Hero along with Sonic. I doubt they will bring this back since many people still joke around about "DURRRR DEVIANTART FAN CHARACTER!!!"

[@Hobhunks]

Bro, I literally say I like the idea of the avatar lol, I was there on DA in the early 2010’s man I’ve seen things

[@ebicbarton]

Dude calm down

[@dr.puggles3610]

Someone’s angry.

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

No, the Werehog sucked BECAUSE IT WAS NOT FUN TO PLAY AND TOOK UP MORE THAN HALF THE GAME. I hate it when people use the "it's just different" fallacy to deflect criticism.

[@Hobhunks]

The werehog is my best mate so

[@Gnidel]

Werehog is fun to speedrun on repeated playthroughs, but I hate him when I have to collect medals.