Sonic Frontiers: Update 3 Is A Mixed Bag - First Impressions

[@nabiiii]

Man even with all the issues and flaws i loved the update, especially the ending was worth all the pain

[@nabiiii]

I loved how amy and tails played but they messed up knuckles

[@betlergaen5757]

​@@nabiiiifunny because its a fairly easy fix, just remove the startup and make his gliding more loose and thats it

[@nabiiii]

@@betlergaen5757 yeah bro i have no idea how they fucked up knuckles so badly, though the infinite glide makes it better, the start up animation is the main annoying thing.

[@betlergaen5757]

@@nabiiii which is also funny because he didn't have the startup animation in the second update (he was playable there, but unfinished), so they could just remove it, they literally have an iteration of knuckles without it, so I really hope they can do a patch to clean up the bugs, adjust some of the characters and difficulty, and then this update will have the polish it needs

[@Murillos1]

Masochist much?😭

[@manudetodo]

Agree with Amy being the best. I had the same impression about Knuckles at first, but once I unlocked all the skills, he became on par with the rest of the cast. Quite fun. Regardless of the inconsistent difficulty, for a final update, this was a blast. The new cyberspace levels, especially the Chemical Plant ones, are probably the best Sonic stages produced since 2011.

[@Simon_Electric]

I especially love the one where you are racing cyber Tails.

[@Super_star_remix]

Sonic lost world walks in

[@YoungSigmaGrindset]

Saying they’re the best stages since 2011 is nuts they’re good but you’re giving them wayyyyy too much praise

[@dolomite1067]

​@@YoungSigmaGrindsetWell, the only 3D Sonic games that came out after 2011 was Lost World, Boom, and Forces. Any levels from those that you'd say are better?

[@manudetodo]

@@YoungSigmaGrindset To be honest, skipping Mania (I Should have said that in my first comment) they kind of are IMO, since we only had Lost World and Forces since 2011.

[@JasLamArr91]

The BEST part of this update was them revealing Big the Cat was never there. Just created from Sonic’s memories.

[@diiigitz]

Aka "Big was never there, he was the memories you made along the way"

[@maorfahima7315]

No” it was the fish you catches along the way😂”

[@theimpersonator7086]

Probably the best thing about the update is that it gives Sonic Team a pretty clear roadmap for a sequel to come and polish the formula. Like polish up the base 4, maybe add Shadow/Metal Sonic/Blaze as unlockable characters, emphasize more physics and organic platforming, make combat more like DMC or KH2FM lol, and stuff like that. Now, whether Sonic Team does this or not has yet to be seen

[@jimmyhook4852]

I would so love Blaze to be playable again....

[@stephaniejohnson5361]

I wouldn't put TOO much faith unless they nail the next 3d mainline game. The first time is one thing but if they get 2 7+/10 games in a row then Sonic will definitely be good hands moving forward

[@Spider-Man-257]

Metal Sonic being playable is a huge stretch, I don't see that happening.

[@jimmyhook4852]

@@Spider-Man-257 Yah.

[@theimpersonator7086]

@@Spider-Man-257 Have him being an unlockable for Post game or NG+, like Adventure DX would be neat

[@matthew7837]

Theres quite a bit of a learning curve when it comes to this update i wouldnt be suprised if alot of people found it difficult. But for me personally i was able to get a grip on everything pretty well and man does it feel great so honestly for me its just a major improvement from the base game 90%

[@maorfahima7315]

@smithaz05me too but did you do 4-b cause it’s super hard

[@MarkerMurker]

I have the opposite opinion about Tails, but for the same reasons you listed. He's the most technical character and I think it works fantastically in this world

[@refreshingbeverage]

So we aren’t gonna talk about how they literally brought back the mech from SA2?

[@rubberbandba11craft]

if we do lets include how fun it is to go around everything and fly around at high speed shooting stuff.@@refreshingbeverage

[@Simon_Electric]

I noticed that went unmentioned. Once you unlock all the skills for everyone the game becomes very dynamic. Sounds like he just rushed through it.

[@silverstar1614]

@@Simon_Electric well, when everything in the update is so difficult to get around, my focus starts on finishing the story and then 100% everything

[@harlinambury5131]

Knuckles gliding functions almost exactly like it did in the classic games there’s a slight pause before you start moving forward and the time it takes to turn feels heavy it’s not meant to feel like adventure because adventures glide was completely different then the classics

[@stacia-arora1400]

I thought that too

[@AnonAmyTheSilly]

To my awareness, in the classic games there wasn't a pause before Knuckles started gliding. The turn speed is accurate to the classic games though.

[@Pokeblueblur]

​@@AnonAmyTheSillystopping and starting a glide has a pause

[@elarbibendamia1993]

I've watched sonic hub . He had the same issue

[@Rusty_Spy]

Just because it's "like the classics" (which it isn't) doesn't mean it's good. Knuckles simply controlled better in the adventure games and there's zero excuse he should be worse in a 2023 game

[@kbennett365]

To be fair about the platforming you can take advantage of each characters abilities to skips a lot of the platforming, like flying in the Cyclone or gliding.

[@acejumper1681]

Despite its flaws this is easily the best of the 3 updates, and really wrapped up this game in a neat bow. The difficulty definitely seemed unfair at times. (Most notably with that boss rush), but that made the ending so much more satisfying when I got there.

[@harlinambury5131]

I think you really miss read sages character in the original ending she doesn’t like sonic she isn’t a good guy she simply realizes she wants to have a family like sonic and his friends she doesn’t turn good everything she’s doing is to save egg man in both endings

[@lordpeeps1]

Me personally i freaking loved it however i 100% see why someone might not love it. The ending made it so worth it for me

[@ralsei3157]

Not really..

[@dojangofficial1050]

@@ralsei3157what do you mean “not really”? It’s his opinion not yours.

[@Mazkon780]

naaaaw they are looking to start something,thats why@@dojangofficial1050

[@Mazkon780]

besides the update was amazing

[@maorfahima7315]

@@ralsei3157why didn’t you like it cause your bad or you just didn’t like challenge?

[@SilverSpireZ]

Mixed is the perfect way to describe this update. It’s gonna be interesting to see how the reception stacks up from here, and how it affects the series going forward.

[@akdreamer6497]

I loved it except for the part where I switched to easy for Master King

[@moosesues8887]

@@NoCash19krill issue

[@thatitalianlameguy2235]

​@@NoCash19the game was laughably easy and now it's decently challenging, unless you play on extreme then it's bullshit

[@maorfahima7315]

@I’m saying what I’m hearing : knuckles isn’t sonic adventure knuckles,tails isn’t sonic and I’m bad at flying and finally I’m very bad at the game and don’t want to get good and do the difficult parkour and I prefer sonic forces to all sonic games( btw I hate momentum and I am bad at the combat ) This is it this is you being bad ( btw trial 2 is easy it’s just waiting for him to do the long attack and than attack him and Perry I had like 20 sec left your just bad)

[@silverstar1614]

@@thatitalianlameguy2235 its not decently challenging, its literally unfair, more even when you notice... THERE IS NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE IN EASY MODE

[@betlergaen5757]

I think the problem of this update is that this update is not in a state of polish that is ideal, the difficulty is unbalanced at times, and don't even tell me about the bugs. I think that most flaws in this update are easily fixable, and I hope we can get a patch or another update to the game that adjust and polish this update more. I think the content is good, but the lack of polish brings it down

[@silverstar1614]

Seriously, you know how low polished this update is when you understand that MY GAME FUCKING CRASHED WHEN I DID THE UPPER CYLOOP THINGY ON THE FINAL BOSS. So much suffering and i need to pass trough it again, luckily i saved right after doing the trials...

[@betlergaen5757]

@@silverstar1614 yeah, they need to do a patch to clear things up, I hope we can get it soon, we have to show Kishimoto whats happening so he can perhaps address it

[@maorfahima7315]

@@silverstar1614how I did the same it didn’t happens and the update def unpolished but it’s not game breaking but definitely bring it 1 points to a 9/10

[@silverstar1614]

@@maorfahima7315 I never said it happens to everyone, all i said its that it proves how unpolished this update is, and how it destroyed my experience with it, just how it did with all the other bugs

[@silverstar1614]

@@maorfahima7315 i would give it a 7/10, having a good final boss and unique new gameplays, but the unfairness and low polish just destroyed my experience with it.

[@hanami6969]

I think the update was actually way better than I was expecting I grinded most of it out last night and finished today I got everything on the map for all the characters and I found myself impressed w the ideas for platforming nd puzzles got used to the move sets and after the spin dash w everyone I got so comfy and found myself using everyone differently for their own purpose but all fast. I think w time ppl w warm up to it more. The story was ok they explain a lot of the main story In optional cutscenes the story generally just feels really explainy. BUT SO HAPPY HOPE EVERYONE ELSE CAN ENJOY IT THE MOST LIKE I AM

[@hanami6969]

Don’t know where else to talk abt this

[@hanami6969]

I think the glide i think is supposed to be used sparingly and tails gets the tornado to make some of his platforming easier but the flying is a course correction

[@hanami6969]

I think the movement is something that can be learned

[@hanami6969]

Also I didn’t look up anything

[@dark_nightwing_xl2797]

@@hanami6969yeah the slide is a gimmic

[@VesDegree]

There are so many wrong things you said in this video I disagree with that I have to point out. 1. Amy being overpowered with her jumps is the entire point of her playstyle. Even in Superstars she plays like this, with her multiple jumps. 2. Everything you said about Knuckles gliding is completely resolved by upgrading to the super glide. Therefore the un-upgraded version of the glide is meant to be flawed, so you have more of a reason to upgrade it and feel rewarded like you truly glowed up. 3. The delay for Tails's flight is ironically what I like about him, it's a good thing because it warms up for the actual flight part where he gains vertical distance. Useful for those puzzles where you have to be near the glowing ball for long enough while holding the button to solve the puzzle. 4. Tails doesn't need a homing attack. His flight and overall SA1 playstyle renders it completely redundant for him. 5. You don't NEED the spin dash for that tower section. You can jump over those distances just fine normally without it. 6. Your entire friend group clearly sucks at the game and it's completely their fault, skill issue. Don't blame the game, instead tell them to git gud. Matt I usually love your videos but after watching this I'm convinced that you had absolutely no idea what you were talking about.

[@Robin503]

Sound to me like you are dick riding this flawed update.. You are completely ignoring the jank and confusing level designs with unoptimized difficulty.. Some things are just stupid having to figure out to progress like cylooping supremes sniper to use against him, If you don’t have automatic combos on how are you suppose to figure something like that out or the tedious towers you’ll have to climb a 100 times.

[@renansantos6533]

I'm enjoying the update so far. My only grip, is the cyloop, i would prefer if this skill was exclusiva to Sonic. It's weird seeing the other characters using it 😅

[@Spider-Man-257]

My complete is that the cyloop wasn't a different color, pink for Amy, Yellow for Tails, and Red for Knuckles.

[@Off_lucci]

⁠@@Spider-Man-257that’s all I want fr

[@Fresh_YT]

It would be impossible to interact with the environment without it so

[@Fresh_YT]

And despite the characters unique moveset, they won't be able to progress without it

[@renansantos6533]

@@Fresh_YT I mean Knuckles has a cycrush lol. I think this could have been his move to interact with things in general 😅

[@Khyon521]

Sonic team needs to understand difference between challenging and unfair BS. But I really enjoyed playing as the other 3, as well as the SAUCE they gave The Revamped Supreme Fight. Makes me excited for the Next Sonic Game

[@2ndspringtube708]

It’s really REALLY not unfair it’s just confusing and the rest is actually challenging ‘trail 5 requires you to master the titans and know what attacks and techniques would do the most damage ‘trail 2 is confusing’and the towers and platforming is really well designed and well intersting and I loved it and had fun ‘I understand if you don’t like it’s fine but believe me it’s really not unfair

[@maorfahima7315]

And the cyberspace levels have the most different pathways in the series and 4-b is insane difficulty took me a bit more than challenge 5(2 hours)

[@dave9515]

The titan fights are janky to begin with. Wyvern has random missile patterns annd every titan you can clip inside on top of sometimes their attacks have 2 hitboxes that can overlap canceling your parries. Trial 5 should not exist given they never fixed the titans.@@2ndspringtube708

[@best_mate456]

Trail 5 extreme mode is nearly impossible

[@refreshingbeverage]

I love the fact that you said Amy was trash before you saw her skill tree and then for the rest of the characters you didn’t even mention their skill tree.

[@Rusty_Spy]

There's no skill that fixes knuckles controls

[@CheosgamerX-ik1kq]

​@@Rusty_Spyspam X or A depending on the console in mid-air and turn the analog stick while doing it to turn around and redirect yourself while you're still in place it works pretty well

[@Simon_Electric]

The key to the platforming is to adjust your physics. Also with tails the best thing to do is to unlock the Tornado. It saves you a world of headache.

[@maorfahima7315]

The tails part is skill issue he can fly for like a minute and you can be on the spring by than

[@sometf2player752]

9:49 I think they removed the homing attack from him to make up for how overpowered he is when he’s flying around in the cyclone

[@Off_lucci]

You actually don’t have to spin dash up that slope

[@SirPanikalot778]

in all honesty, ouranous was my favourite island prior to the update, and when I heard that they were going to do story changes, I was like 'oh, they're giving rhea a purpose!' so imagine my disappointment when they just redid ouranous and did NOTHING to rhea. And the worst part? I have to climb 5 MORE TOWERS. they were a pain in the base game, and tower 4 was absolute hell for me.

[@andersonsansonowski5644]

now after the patch knukles glides is so much better the startup animation is gone and the gliding feels much smother

[@CommunitySwims]

Of all the sonic creators I watched not one of them said anything about the new cyberspace levels and I don’t know why they are generally good full 3D levels

[@Matthasnocuts]

They are not designed the best so I could understand why someone wouldn't like the cyber space levels. However they are very experimental with momentum and I think it's cool for what it's worth.

[@supermandanny2434]

11:50 I just cheesed it with his mech lmao And I know we're all clowning the first tower but can we talk about the second? Like at least the other towers made it _feel_ like you had skill issue, the second was just bs all the way to the top. That said, I found second trial to be easier than the first (the time limit is still stupid though) Overall I had a good time with this update (towers 2+4 and trial 5 aside), and I actually enjoyed playing as Tails and Knuckles. I liked the new music as well, specifically Knuckles' theme and the Ouranos remix that plays when you're _ascending the towers_ as Sonic Edit: infinite glide is the stuff of legends

[@Gogs-mf8do]

I... I never thought I would disagree with you but the time has come. First the characters, while I do agree Amy is the best that is were it ends, to me Knuckles is clearly the worst of the 3, all of his abilities I found fun, his climbing to me was perfect and I wouldn't change a single thing (and he can also climb regular climbable walls, the ones Sonic can too) but his gliding got me some time to get used to, it's clear it's made to go in straight lines with a few adjustments but it is really slipery, the infinite glide while feels way less slipery it also goes way to fast, although, the stomp made it way easier to stop where I want it. In general when I understood how the game wanted me to use the glide, I used and abused, the satisfaction of jumping of the tower, marking something on the map and just go there with the infinite glide is unmatched. Tails I only put him behind amy because his combat is the worst of the 3, but the guy can go literaly any where at any time and skip everything, I don't really have a problem with his startup to fly since he just retains altitude for a couple seconds while still being able to move unlike Knuckles that stops in the air for a second, it was to me a lot of fun to see how can I reach X thing and then I see plataforms a little close by the objective... the rest you know how it goes, plus when I had to go the main way never really had problems with it, and if Tails without the Cyclone is already the best character in my opinion for traversal, Tails with the Cyclone just demolishes any traversal problems I ever had. For the Towers, they were hard but I never felt that it wasn't my fault, for example, the only time I got stuck in a section was on the second tower where you need to Cyloop a thing that is in the middle of a circle shaped rail, I did not realise you had to cyloop them because you can reach the second one by homing attacking it, so I never thought I had to Cyloop them until I turned easy mode and realised you can't progress there too if you not Cyloop them. For the rest of the Towers I found them pretty fun and challenging. (And the part you showed in the video where you have to spindash... I just double jumped? I don't know why you did that but you could even air boost and then stomp for even better safety) The trials I really only had a problem with the second one, where the time there is really screwed, also, I did not even know the technique you used in the video, I just cylooped them without boosting, hit them until the combo counter reached 4 and repeated, I got 1 second and a half to spare so it was really close. The boss gauntlet I did not use the stomp technique at all, it was really a matter of quick cylooping and cross slash, it may have taken a couple hours to beat it but the feeling of satisfaction and learning how the fights really worked was worth it, in my first try I barley got to the second phase of Wyvern and by the end I beated Knight with 50 rings to spare. (I did it on normal, but one day will be in hard) The level design of the new Ouranos was really fun for me and if I had to choose between the 2 versions of Ouranos the new one would be a easy choice. The worst part of the update to me was the new Supreme, I still have to replay it so my opinion will probably change after that, but man they do not let things clear on that fight, I fought that fucker 6 times to the bitter end not understanding what the hell I needed to do, it was the first time on the update I had to search for information because I completely forgot how you change the target, and even then and I took the bastard to the ground 5 times until I realised that you needed to Cyloop the hole. The visuals were isanely good and I have nothing to complain but man it was frustrating being at the end of the game and not progressing because I had no clue what to do. The Cyberspace levels were all really fun to S rank and are easily my favorite of the game, but the conditions to get the keys are a bit of a pain, in one side I found it good that they are harder and makes the player wanting to do multiple Cyberspace levels instead of just making 2 with piss easy objectives and having all the keys needed, but on the other side what I did of the flickies objective made me just want to S rank them all and deal with the other objectives later. Really liked the story and felt it as a way better conclusion to the game, plus the With me (now with vocals) made me almost tear up a bit since it's an inversion of dear father where there Sage was saying goodbye and now she's looking forward to the happy family she wanted on Dear father! In general this update closed the deal to me as Frontiers being the best Sonic game and the only thing that made me screen at the sky in frustration is that when you finish it, the other playble character aren't playable in other islands (I don't even care if they don't have level design made for them, I just want to play with all of them more!), but hey, that's my opinion and you have yours, I hope that in the future if you ever play this section again you are able to see what I see in it, and fun fact that I discovered! Making a new game plus now carries the Spindash.

[@Robin503]

It also pains me that you can’t play the other characters on the other islands aside from another story, I guess we could leave it up to modders to figure something out with that..

[@dave9515]

You have to break the end's chain connecting it to the moon which you can do as super sonic 1 as well then when you get it to super low health cyloop twice to crush it then cyloop a circle on its back to bring out a gun then cyloop gun then you know how to fight its phase 3 which is super awesome and epic. Btw did you know dodgecancelling attacks causes supersonic to switch what part of a titan's body he is locked onto? I only learned that cause of the final fight and being frustrated like you.

[@GrassyBoy]

Personally I thought the platforming with all the towers was fantastic. Finally gave me a real challenge with the game. Same with the final trial (Even though I did rage on Wyvern a couple times)

[@Robin503]

You serious? It was just tedious having to climb these long ass trump towers and falling down multiple times because of it’s shitty designs.. If you enjoyed climbing the towers over 100 times you are out of pocket bro

[@yinnacle9885]

​@@Robin503skill issue

[@2ndspringtube708]

@@Robin503I also climbed all of them on hard mode and really enjoyed them a lot and loved thier design and I didn’t fall as much but still fall a couple of times that was frustrating but I still really liked them and didn’t have as much bad time as others did and trail 5 is kinda satisfying

[@maorfahima7315]

@@Robin503than do the game on easy just cause you bad doesn’t mean the game is

[@isaiahthechristiangamer8716]

I absolutely agree with that.

[@mr.whimsic6902]

Its so unnatural for tails not to have a homing attack

[@yvesthursday]

it makes it so hard when there’s a jump pad or something you need to hit they expect u to perfectly fly into everything

[@maorfahima7315]

@@yvesthursdaydude it’s lithe flying is like a minute to run out you that bad?

[@DarkShadowX9]

Yeah, I'm mixed about it too. The difficulty spike was unnecessary (in the story, at least). I feel like they should've save that level of difficulty for post-story content.. and it doesn't help that the game has a *crapton* of jank, there were SO many times where I couldn't even attack an enemy or boss due to the awful collision (mostly in the Snake's Trial, Supreme and the End). Although, the trials after the second one weren't too hard, other than the Master King's trial (looking at YOU, Wyvern). Honestly, the best thing about this update HAS to be the new playable characters. Out of all of them, I found Amy to be the most useful, as I was able to skip most of the platforming and/or roam around Ouranos Island fast and easy. I mean, come on.. Spin Dash + double jump + glide = a great amount of distance and air. Tails was the most fun to play as, as soon as I unlocked the Cyclone Boost, Amy became kinda redundant.. it's EXTREMELY OP when exploring the open zone (you know exactly why). Although, the startup of his flight ability is a little awkward. Knuckles was.. ehh, alright.. his glide movement has SO much weight to it that it's kinda awkward to steer, that's probably the only thing I don't like about him. And about Super Sonic's new form and the End, while I'm disappointed that we couldn't fight the End itself as a different incarnation and Super Sonic's new form was just an enhanced Super Sonic (or should I say Super Sonic 2), the new boss was a HECK of a lot better than the OG. It was *so* epic.. I got *major* DBZ vibes from its cutscenes! However, it's VERY janky when you have to attack the wire attached to Supreme and then cyloop its back since, for some BIZARRE reason.. I can't seem to lock-on to the wire or its back, at times. Overall, I give The Final Horizon update an 8/10. It may be flawed, but it provided some great content.

[@sparkvvs]

Personally I thought that despite its flaws this was a phenomenal update and I loved all of it :DD but I completely understand why you and others in the community didn’t have as much of a good time. You made a lot of valid points here that I agree with and this update is far from perfect imo but I still thought it was a MASSIVE step up from the og ending

[@fallscape1748]

Update had a lot of jank and I did rage a lot(For one, due to the janky parts and I think anyone who's played through this update knows where most of the rage comes from). I just love the vibe of the update and the ending got me SO hyped! Literally peak fiction IMO. Being able to play as Amy, Knuckles, and Tails was awesome in their own ways, and the themes are SUCH a vibe. Though I have to criticize Knuckles' glide because why is it so stiff? But that aside, this update was a 9/10 for me. I hope they continue to improve upon Sonic as a series. Great review btw!

[@maorfahima7315]

Honestly your review is actually better than the video cause you ain’t complaining about how not at the game you are😂( I mean him)

[@binj6227]

For me is an 8/10 or 7.8/10

[@MD-se8ft]

You are not supposed to spindash on that section, just run and double jump without using the boost.

[@Jayjar100]

I couldn't even find how to get that one Chaos Emerald with Tails, I just cylooped to get infinite boost and then used tails' tornado skill to keep flying upward until i reached the emerald

[@theoneandonlymystichydra]

While there are issues, because this is still infinitely better than the lame original ending and it’s also free, keep in mind that the first 3 island were jank as hell like this, but still enjoyable, so if the original game with the original ending was a 7, by update 2 it was an 7.5 and now I’d say my official rating would be an 8.5.

[@maorfahima7315]

Actually a fair scorebut for me it’s like 7.8

[@hiddenflare6169]

@@maorfahima7315 7.8 TOO MUCH SONIC! :P

[@TrippieVG]

Usually when it came to Tails platforming, I didn’t find it as bad to control trying to fly then land like I did with Knuckles, and when it came to Tails puzzles, I would literally just get max rings, get and infinite boost, and use his plane to fly up to the EXP Koko or the Navigation Koko😂😂 And also when it came to the spindashing part, I didn’t even that you were supposed to spindash! I just ran across😂😭

[@scuddbucket3300]

after grinding out the extra character skill trees, they become much more fun to play with regardless of how they turn/jump/attack, tail's cyclone is actually so OP but not to the point where it's boring

[@amari648]

I think the Update is good but Some fans wanted difficulty added to Frontiers and Kishimoto listened and it ended with some random difficulty spikes but it’s cool to play as Tails, Amy and Knuckles so it’s fine.

[@Retrosparks]

16:47 alternative method Step 1: turn on easy mode Step 2: you win

[@silverstar1614]

False. Easy mode is just as hard. I AM NOT JOKING, YOU NEED TO PLAY IT TO SEE

[@Rusty_Spy]

@@silverstar1614 nah you just have to get good. The only thing that makes trial 5 difficult is the tiny parry window they give you on hard mode.

[@Retrosparks]

@@silverstar1614I did, just hold the parry and you’ll do just fine

[@gommodore6441]

There are two things I'd like to mention that make Tails and Knuckles a lot more fun IMO. For tails, one of the skills you can attain is his Cyclone boost. I enjoyed him way more with that move as he's summoning his craft from SA2 in flight and if you have the infinite boost, you can fly as high and as far as you want. 2nd, this maybe an ironic one but Knuckles infinite jump glitch is back. If you spam the glide button while airborne and is normal attacks (as long as you have his uppercut punch), nothing's stopping him from going up.

[@hiddenflare6169]

I swear I don't know if Knuckles having an infinite jump glitch is meant to be on purpose or not, but I honestly hope it becomes a running gag at this point XD. Heck make it one of his abilities people could do.

[@gommodore6441]

@@hiddenflare6169 They could easily do what they did with the homing dash glitch and label it as a "feature"

[@cyberwolf5896]

The thing I’m most scared about is how Sega is gonna respond here, I feel like they might just look at this and see that the people don’t fully love the playable characters and are probably gonna be like “oh guess we’ll just never do that again then”

[@spark9189]

i feel like lack of homing attack on tails is balanced by the two different ways to fly infinitely

[@jacklong7386]

In a way, they made Knuckles glide act more like how it did in classic. How it takes time before he fully starts moving in a different direction.

[@jacksondavis3355]

I first played the update on Extreme mode and I made it all the way up to trial five before it became rage inducing. I had to redo the whole update on a hard mode save file and still really struggled with the fifth trial. I then spent an hour on the final boss as there was no indication to cyloop the gun in supreme’s back. It was still the best part of the update but the entire experience left me with a bittersweet aftertaste.

[@Sephinova]

Simply playing as the other characters is really cool (control issues aside). Cyberspace stages, music and esspecially the final boss are incredible. Buuuut some of the challenges and difficulty are egregious af. I don’t mind challenge, esspecially after how easy the main game is. However, given the jank and other issues the game has it is insanely punishing, the boss rush trial at the end is disgusting. Still really enjoyed it though ngl.

[@maorfahima7315]

Only trial 5 was really really hard the others if you were stuck more than 10m it’s a skill issue

[@awsomedude23456]

The perfect parry doesn’t really work with the first 3 titans bc the game wasn’t designed around it. The ebonies attack animations and actual hits don’t happen at the same time so getting the timing right is difficult

[@crapcase3985]

​@@awsomedude23456Yeah, let me get a perfect parry on an attack where the boss's fucking finger takes up the entire screen.

[@maorfahima7315]

For giganto normal attack yea it has an after effect before even he attacked but all the others is about very strict timing

[@N0rlight]

The actual thing that annoys me, is when you upgrade your skill tree, you're taken to a tutorial, then once that tutorial is clear, they spawn you far from the spot you were, so if you were doing a hard platforming segment, you had to restart it all over again.

[@hiddenflare6169]

Yeah that does very much annoy me.

[@best_mate456]

Yes that’s a glitch if I am not mistaken

[@TheFainter94]

Im going to be honest, that fixed all the problems with precise platforming in this update was change the configs to have a low inicial acelleration speed, that make my game feel a lot smoother, i know ppl like to play with every thing at max, but that shit affects even the flight characters ots a world changer

[@SMSCovers]

I 100% agree with everything you said in this video. A lot of good content but it lacked playtesting, like, badly. A lot of random difficulty spikes, even on easy, which pretty much ruined it for me. So far I've only played one Cyberspace stage and it was so awful I'm not even excited to see the other ones.

[@tick369]

You don’t have to spindash up the slope. You can use any method in sonics arsenal to overcome the platforming. If one method isn’t working try something else. You can boost jump, bounce jump, or just double jump. If you take the time to experiment with sonics moveset the towers are some of the most satisfying platforming in the entire game. Yes it can be cryptic at times but if you were struggling that much put it down to easy.

[@LightshifterGame]

100% agree, the towers are difficult but if youre creative with physics and moveset then youll find your way, boosting off the slanted cubes at the bottom of the 2nd(?) Tower allows you to skip some sections

[@marcusmayo]

This update was quite divisive from what I've seen on twitter. Anyway, nice video Matt!

[@jaredjackson9734]

I’m ngl, y’all kept asking Sega to make the game harder and now that they did, y’all still complaining. Atp its just sound like you not that good at the game

[@DEMOBLU]

facts

[@gn2677]

True there is some glitches and stuff that needs to be ironed out but for the most part it sounds like a skill issue cause I did extreme mode and got through all 4 trial towers (working on the the master trial now ) and while yes it was frustrating the games difficulty seems good here (if it is the same on easy and normal then maybe it need to be toned down a bit)

[@silverstar1614]

​@@gn2677it is the same, thats why we are complaining. We on the bad gamers side want to simply enjoy the story, cant enjoy it cause hard mode and easy mode DONT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE

[@gn2677]

⁠@@silverstar1614understandable They do need to tone it down on easy and normal I didn’t have the luxury of playing easy so I didn’t know however if people are playing on hard on extreme I don’t think they should be complaining (Unless of course they mess up because of glitches then that’s valid )

[@frontiersmodel4781]

I had a BOMBASTIC time when playing this update, but yeah, it's not perfect at all, but even so it's just amazing to think how Sonic Team made a free update with so much to offer To me, platforming was great and kinda reminds me to Celeste, why? Simple, because sometimes I needed to stop and actually use my brain to figure out how to complete an specific section and it gets even more interestring when each character has its own way to platform, which is something that never happened to me in a Sonic game Even if it can get quite messy at times, I still appreciate the HUGE effort that Sonic Team put to this update, as it's obvious that they're actually experimenting with stuff and actually get creative, which makes me even more hyped for the future Even if I disagree with some stuff, great vid bro!

[@dreamsdeep1076]

I don’t know if you know this but setting the game to easy mode before loading your save file for update 3 adds balloons on each of the towers.

[@lemon5000-tj6nv]

you can change the difficulty anytime u want, i did it with that one trial where u had to cyloop the enemies and then hit them

[@dreamsdeep1076]

I’m just glad there are workarounds to make the towers easier

[@drjk7565]

I understand why some might feel disappointed in the latest update. I myself still don't trust Sonic Team to deliver a great modern 3D game after so many missteps, and I haven't bought a new Sonic game since Generations back in 2011. That being said, it's not the first time 3D Sonic games have been a mixed bag. Going back to the Adventure games, SA1 was also quite mixed in quality, with Sonic, Tails and Knuckles being solid play styles, Amy's was average, and Big the Cat was intolerably bad. SA2 further refined the formula, reducing the game-play to only three variations - Speed, Shooting with Mechs and Treasure hunting. Couple that with the now iconic storylines, and you got what is widely considered the peak of 3D Sonic games. If Sonic Team can further refine the game-play established in Frontiers in the same way they did with SA2, and assuming they don't throw it all away in the next 3D game, they could be on to a real winner, but with Sonic these days, it's always a "wait and see" affair.

[@frobonetic]

I'm glad voices like yours are speaking from your heart and not holding back This update just isn't perfect, lacked alot of polish and tried cramming everything even if it didnt mesh well Thank you, it feels like my voice is being heard too

[@maorfahima7315]

The polish is a problem but the parkour and the difficulty isn’t

[@frobonetic]

@@maorfahima7315 I'm not necessarily calling it difficult, more like unfair I'm disabled so trying to play through the update feels like I'm fighting to get control

[@kroganshepard6594]

BTW the deceleration is bugged for Amy, Tails, and Knuckles. It only works when set to 100.

[@maorfahima7315]

I didn’t know I always set it to off

[@blinkyy4594]

A glide move that controls like a actual glider such a terrible decision... great criticism yes the turning should be better but sa1 and sa2s glide were very janky

[@ykgcaramel6515]

No they weren’t lol

[@Reec3R]

sa1 and sa2 glide felt like butter, idk what game you were playing

[@momto2bs]

14:08 it's really weird, what you want to do is wait for the umbrella to be thrown, homing attack, attack like once or twice, and parry the umbrella each time until the thing is dead. Repeat 3 times oh he does that, nevermind

[@ojamison8460]

I really do not understand the difficulty issues with the update. I found trial 5 especially to be a very fun challenge especially when I learned of the perfect parry system and I beat trial 2 my second try after a bit of thinking (it is still tedious tho). Idk if I may just have a different mindset when it comes to difficulty but I found almost everything in this update to be a fun welcome challenge and I think upon replaying the game I'll shoot for this as my main way of experiencing the ending. (Also sidenote I found Tails super fun and if you unlock the tornado you can legit just skip any platforming challenge, I didn't even know that end section tower climb challenge even exisfed cause I just flew to the top lol)

[@kemious9361]

I think Tails actuall controls the best amongst the three. Him not having a homing attack is to prevent him from breaking the game even more and to keep him some what balanced. Knuckles is definetely the worse because of his turning and that delay.

[@biscut8492]

my major complaint is WHY CAN'T I PLAY BIG THE CAT?!?!?!?!?

[@garrettviewegh9028]

I’m more of a casual Sonic fan. I do read the IDW comics, and watch the shows, movies, and have played a few games. But I’m not the type of fan that is obsessed with the franchise, and is aginst any criticism or views on it being bad. In fact, I’m sometimes curious to hear what objective or personal gripes some people may have with the game, or other long running video game series. That type of criticism, even if it’s bashing a game you like, doesn’t get me very upset. I feel like, when it comes to games that are a series, or the eighteenth game by a big studio, that harsh criticism is needed, so we can view games as they are at face value, instead of looking through rose tinted glasses. That type of harsh criticism, can often be the best, or only, way devs do better with their next project. That’s the hope anyway. Some devs take that to heart, others don’t. And while, I too, after finishing the base game, feel that Sonic Frontiers was, kind of a 6.5 out of 10, I do see the potential in it. If Sonic Team can take what they learned from this, we may get better Sonic games in the future (for mainline titles). I did see a few methods and ideas they’d experimented with. And in all honesty, the song: “One Way Dream”. Encapsulates the cautious, yet daring and hopeful mindset of Sonic Team, and their fans. This game isn’t perfect, but, in my opinion, it shows some promise of where the franchise can go, and the fresh new chapter the titular blue hedgehog can start in the near future.

[@Foskiishere]

Tails cant homing attack because he doesnt have quills so he wouldn't hurt any enemy

[@dubstepdude101]

You should’ve spoken about the new cyber space levels

[@michaeltran4275]

The challenges from the Sonic Frontier’s Update 3 regarding the side quests and then the level designs of both of the OverWorld and the Cyberspace Stages are indeed harsh as well as a mixed bag, which is no where flexible as that of the main storyline incident

[@victorapellegrinosc]

The thing I loved. The extra playable characters' tails was my favorite I thought his flying worked perfectly. Amy and Knuckles was okay the only thing I didn't like about Knuckles was his guide. The thing I didn't like was how sonic frontiers turned into a lower medium difficulty game to the hardest game I ever played.

[@technosparker8209]

The ending is absolutely worth all the effort it takes to get to it

[@1ljaiden999]

The difficulty of this update is actually fully based on what difficulty you have set if you have it on easy it’s nowhere near as hard as you think especially scaling the towers becomes much easier

[@evancaps27thegoat47]

Are the 5 trials Easier

[@1ljaiden999]

@@evancaps27thegoat47 yea they become much easier and even gives you more time so the second trial he was talking about actually isn’t bad once it’s on easy

[@1ljaiden999]

@@evancaps27thegoat47 especially the final trial with all the boss fights the perfect parry can actually be held for a bit longer making it much easier to parry instead of it being instant it’s like 3-4 seconds then he stops parrying

[@Crash_Bash89]

I agree with a lot of his statements however I did manage to get used to knuckle’s gliding fairly quickly and had a lot of fun with him. But I also had to change the game’s difficulty regularly because of the towers and trials.

[@maorfahima7315]

SKILL ISSUE

[@Crash_Bash89]

Probably is 😅 but I did get it done

[@Joopitor]

I can definitely see why someone might not like the update, but I LOVED it. Made the game go from an 8/10 to a 9/10

[@thebighamster9877]

I have to disagree with the characters, there skill tree is amazing, Tails having the SA2 mech that allows him to fly with good movement in the air, even being able to go up and down makes him so much more fun

[@thebighamster9877]

And Knuckles having an infinite glide it absolutely broken too, and the glitch that allows him to get infinite height almost like in Rise of Lyric, then Amy's stomp jump combined with her other jumps is so busted

[@vicaaronnaval1881]

The Master King Koco's trial was hard, but it didn't took long for me to finish. It probably took me like 4 or 5 tries to beat it. Thankfully, I have been practising the Parry by timing it, using my other save files for replaying the Titans, while waiting for update 3. I honestly appreciated the challenge. Kishimoto was not lying for making things hard. Full respects to him.

[@theogofguitar]

I just hope these lets Sonic Team drift back to a Sonic Adventure/Frontiers mix. Just refine and hone in on the concept.

[@BaconManGaming101]

I really enjoyed the update personally and Id say it makes the game an 8.5

[@SirBanana1992]

I was randomly thinking and you know what could have gone a long way to make the final boss better for the user experience (at a risk)? Supporting character voice lines. It's not very clear how exactly you have to do but if instead of dead silence WHILE YOU LITERALLY HAVE YOUR FRIENDS THERE they could throw a hint at you if it was taking too much time, maybe it could be clearer how to target the cord or to get that gun. Though it probably would undermine the atmosphere a bit, but some other Sonic games weren't shy from having commentary voice lines during final battles.

[@michaelkindt3288]

I haven't watched the video yet, as I haven't finished update 3 yet, but I wanted to appreciate how you uploaded this video literally the day after update 3 came out. Man you're fast!!! (No spoilers please.)

[@SpeederLight]

This update was the best update for a sonic game so far. This game will always hold a special place in my heart. That ending boss fight WAS SO EPIC AND AMAZING! :)

[@ducestat06savage99]

My problem is we got all these new characters but can only play them on 1 island WITH NO ENMEMEYS TO FIGHT the thing is they do so many amazing things in the game but we don't get to use them and still no cyber or super sonic in open world but other than that its really good especially the final boss :)

[@Robin503]

Leave it up to the modders to find a way to fix this hopefully >:)

[@isaiahthechristiangamer8716]

I absolutely agree. I was looking forward to testing the characters’ combat potential against the ouranos enemies besides the guardians. ashame

[@Flametric]

That super sonic form is literally the closest we can get to hyper sonic and that's not even a bad thing it was GREAT

[@roberttaylr]

I still haven't been able to find out how to access the new Cyber Space Levels

[@bappointhemorning]

honestly at this point it doesnt matter if frontiers misses , at least its a free update that adds things to the game

[@ralsei3157]

You'd be better off with a free bag of lollipops

[@Rusty_Spy]

I'd be less disappointed if they didn't get my hopes up and let me down.

[@bappointhemorning]

@@Rusty_Spy I mean it's typical sega trying to hype up small things and the community is will eat that up

[@4rttyzz575]

I like update 3, it still has jank and is really difficult, the characters movement has flaws, but since we got them for the first time in so long, it could be worse. The new Cyberspace stages are easily the best ones in the game, multiple paths, hidden secrets, each stage has a new gimmick, loved it. Imo, they could try to revisit the adventure formula, not sa3, just the formula, bc they could focus on creating levels that works with their moveset. And that doesn't mean they can't use the Frontiers template, like instead of having multiple islands, just have a city that serves like a hub for the game, like sa1 but bigger. Anyway, I like what they did, but if they want to keep multiple characters, please don't use the boost, or make it a Sonic exclusive

[@matthewchisari4218]

thank you! Im glad I'm not the only one who thinks that there are so many problems.

[@georgeshaw4017]

The Island Challenges are extremely irritating, I’m trying to do a Ball Challenge but I’ve tried everything but I can’t get the last few rings. Obviously rushed. As soon as these issues came up I realized that.

[@maorfahima7315]

The ball challenge sucked your right

[@ShermanYeo]

I can agree to that, took me a 3rd retry to get it done. You just have to aim your screen to the ball, or anyone in the game.

[@georgeshaw4017]

@@ShermanYeo I did it myself! 😁😊🙂😌😉🤭😳🥰😍💖

[@maorfahima7315]

@@ShermanYeo I tried sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t but how precise you need to be makes sonic feel like a werehog for the challenge (and that’s pretty damn bad)

[@randompog8493]

Ive never spindashed those ive just made it through them by getting good speed before running on them Also despite the tight time limit on trial 2 i would say trial 1 is worse by throwing 5 10x speed enemies that take no hitstun when damaged at you where the safest strategy is to separate them and parry them one by one lest you get caught in a firefight and just get slammed because of the random damaging shield manuever that has no telegraph and the double spikes which can get in the way of your attacks With trial 2 i feel like that was asking so much less of the player, just do the same thing 4 times and optimize it well Id still say trial 5 is worse especially in hard mode, the bosses were not designed at all for the new parry mechanic and it shows

[@Foskiishere]

I really like knucles, his moves are really strong, and his glide, yeah, its a bit difficult to use but he is my favorite playable character.

[@Shrock568]

15:24 I actually have beat trial 2 without any help on hard mode. It took a while to figure it out but it’s so well worth it. It wasn’t even the method shown here. What you do is after you use the Cycloop to lower its defenses, you can actually spindash into it giving you an extra hit AND start attacking much sooner. You can defeat one of them with 2 or 3 of these.

[@Animewatcher352]

Whlie i agree mostly with what was said in the video a few things i got to point out i felt were missed or misunderstood. About sage she was on team bad guy from the start in the base game you hear her as eggman used a device to hack a cyber portal he got sucked into. How she got a body after the real question. The trails are like you said a spike in difficulty for some reason and its bs most times. Depending on your current difficulty it gets worse. And trail 5 is hell if you are not on easy playing trail five understand that you have less leeway to get the parry perfect. The chracters i do feel like amy is the best control wise and i dont know what they did to knuckles but tails i need to know why he can't pull off normal combat moves when hes had them before (looking at sa1) and as for the revised final boss they need to fix the targeting system if we had to aim for his neck to keep his health from refilling and cyloop his gun off him. That made the fight last longer then should. But w video

[@sembatimothynkalamo8986]

Was really hoping for a more in depth breakdown of the new characters and their movesets. How's the combat with Knuckles? Does Tails' mech have a whole other set of moves or how does it affect his base moves?

[@SapphireKnight675]

while I love the inclusion of other playable characters, I agree, of course the only real challenges are the Second and Last Trials, the Towers can be completed easily if you set it to Easy Mode or use it to get back to where you fell off the other character's platforming segments can be cheesed if you unlock Amy's bounce, Knuckles' infinite glide, and Tails' Tornado, Knuckles and Tails completely destroy the challenges, Tail's multi wrench also gives you the ability to fly again and you can do it endlessly if he doesn't get tired, the Guardians on Horizon's island was made for Sonic at Max Level, which is why the others don't feel so good to fight with, I used a Character Switch cheat on the Base Islands and they feel so much better the Cyberspace stages are optional unless their another Completion Reward I'm unaware of, and for the Story, if you see it as a "going back in time to do things different" it definitely boosts the Base Story, even tho Sage's relationship with Eggman was pretty straightforward in the Base Game being protective of him, since she was an Ai given a body otherwise, I see more positives than negatives, all it needs is movement tweaks, the platforming could use improvement by taking advantage of the Difficulty Mode, the first four Trials could again take advantage of the Difficulty Modes, more time on Easy, decent time on Normal, and stricted on Hard and Extreme, with the Final Trial being greatly improved by starting directly on the Super Sonic part with rings earned for beating a boss, say, 50 for Easy, 25 on Normal, and Nothing on Hard and Extreme, this is a good starting point to improve upon and hopefully take advantage of what they have here with the proper feedback

[@karbyboi8489]

I agree with everything you said in the vid bro 💀 To me it felt like they finally understood what to do with the game but the game is so broken and janky that it just seems weird. Interesting to see how people struggled on the 2nd trial 🤔 I did but the parts people are struggled on is weird. I literally just took ky time and walked through those parts, spin dashing is WAAYYY too op to be used in a way like that

[@maorfahima7315]

I agree with the junk but him complaining about the trials and the parkour section is a big skill issue

[@karbyboi8489]

@@maorfahima7315 Yo SAME! 😂😂 I don't wanna sound rude but....Really? You saw that section in trial 2 and your head went to "Dang I gotta spin dash..." WHAT?!!!! Who's gonna tell this guy that you could've just walked normally 😭and the other trial where he was spamming cyloop he could've just spammed the stomp strat but using cyloop and parry works too ig 💀

[@dave9515]

I am starting to think most sonic fans lack critical thinking skills lol. Seen so many hate on this wonderful design. The people who couldn't deal with the parkour wouldn't last one second playing a mario kaizo hack. Only super janky thing with frontiers is the titan fights imo. Outside of that and scripted segments which are always somewhwat janky this is the best controlling sonic game by a mile. I have a huge issue with people hating other characters feeling so didfferent to play then calling the controls of said characters bad instead of adapting and wanting diversity like they claim. Guess we should not ever get more playable characters again cause of how ungrateful people are. Easily the best playable cast we ever got.@@karbyboi8489

[@Z3RO5286]

​@@maorfahima7315I hope they get patched very soon

[@spark9189]

i think that sharing information on how to beat a game is a good thing. my absolute favorite video game challenge of all time is yozora, and nearly every opening in that fight is something that you need to experiment to find or get help from other people. edit: now trial 5 is just straight up bullshit on hard. the parry lasts for a split second. i'm pretty sure that the frames are in the single digits. the titans straight up were not designed for that small of a parry window. and it really is just the parry that makes it hard. i went down to easy mode for a longer parry and beat it first try.

[@wilksy2008]

11:11 Just wanna say, with this section, after you launch from the first rail, go through the hoop, hit those two bubble… things in the air and land on that platform, you can use spin dash with all that deceleration stuff and launch all the way past those platforms (requires a bit of air manoeuvring, but it ain’t that difficult!) to the glowing air spring that lands on that platform with the two dash pads and the cyloop! 👌🏼

[@maomax8922]

The problem with the platforming is quite simple Most of the game the platforming is super easy, but intuitive, and when update 2 rolled, they introduced the koco challenges, and everyone liked cause they had a better design, but still short and simple And in this update, the platforming is confusing to understand, it looks like they tried to do only koco challenge type segments and failed. Thats my only issue, for me, the rest of the update was very good

[@The_Pikaboi]

I 100% agree with trial 2. Who in the actual hell even figured out you can parry chain the saw so you can keep combo-ing. I didnt even know that was possible.

[@noahgorman6995]

Well ive decided to put my opinions out there but i genuinely dont understand how this update is difficult. SURE knuckles controls kinda jank but you kinda just need to get used to that. The great laser wall of China im calling is pretty easy as i managed to beat it on my 2nd attempt. And then theres the snake trial imma be honest the snake trial is overhyped and is pretty easy in my experience I managed to beat it in less then 10 attempts on hard mode. I just genuinely think some people have A TAD bit of a skill issue. I will point out however that i genuinely think restricting sonics stats to 1 throughout the first 4 trials was a great idea which actually gave a bit of challenge to sonics combat without the punishing extremitys that extreme mode would give on a normal playthrough. Overrall good update some people just need actually get good and use there brains for once and fix knuckles glide

[@Lonelysum]

In 10 attempts is still a challenge so yeah

[@ggtragicsansbro6495]

The only problem I had with the update was trial 5 was that the animations are NOT made for a perfect parry. The attacks are so annoying to understand when the hit is actually coming. Like each and every single one of wyverns attacks

[@losisansgaming2628]

I got so sick of the trial that I quit. And I was playing on easy. They shouldn't expect perfection on easy. But that is what you have to do.

[@timlyons3420]

Watching some of your gameplay, i feel your criticism also stems fro. the fact that you didnt upgrade the characters enough to help with certain obstacles. Example: takes has the abilities to throw wrenches instead of homing attacks so he can clear enemies and obstacles in the way

[@Sonic101hedgehog]

Yeah I do agree this update could have been polished more but some of his criticism is honestly a skill issue Like the platforming segment and saying you need to spindash when you dont Some things are unfair and some things is just a skill issue

[@dave9515]

THe only unfair stuff is usually with the enemy trials like the first one and the boss one but all trials would be fair if combat wasn't so janky in frontiers. The titans are notoriously janky. Speedrunners understood this but most fans did not sadly so we got a boss rush that would be awesome if it weren't with the titans we have. You have no idea how many times i clipped inside giganto and got hit by two hitboxes cancelling my perfect parry on top of wyvern missiles hitting me during its claw attacks. @@Sonic101hedgehog

[@Salty-Josh]

Even though you said Update 3 is a mixed bag(Which is a opinion i respect) i'm still excited to play this update

[@randomyoutubecommenter2312]

The one thing i wish they did was let you use amy, knuckles and tails on the other 4 instead of being stuck on Ouranos

[@Robin503]

EXACTLY! I was so saddened by this..

[@the39wow]

it is genuinely the best set of sonic gameplay ever, idk what ur on about

[@best_mate456]

Yeah this he not even a sonic fan because he is basically saying he struggles or rage quit so easily on a sonic game

[@dark_nightwing_xl2797]

Exactly I know they can fix some things but it’s very impressive