Sonic Heroes Could've Been Amazing

Despite the success of the Adventure games, Sonic's multiplatform debut opted for a complete change in direction. Was this the right call?
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[@Starpotion]

The level aesthetics of Sonic Heroes still really pop out to me with how closely they follow the Genesis games and it's kind of interesting how the level art direction in this game continues to be unique to it. That blend of surrealist environments with realistic textures/models is something I miss seeing more of in the newer games.

[@Banana807]

In general sonic heroes seems like they just wanted to make like an actual classic sonic game in 3D, with some gimmicks ofc but ultimately what i just said, too bad it didnt end up being that except for level aesthetics and some of the level design.

[@johnpett1955]

I enjoyed sonic heroes but I do think it could have had better polish.

[@StevenJones851]

​@@johnpett1955agreed it could of looked much better

[@KingTvlip]

Fun fact: Team Sonic's Team Blast actually DOES have an additional effect after using it! For a short period of time Tails can perform Team Blast again by shooting Sonic, where Sonic will start blasting through any enemy on screen. Sonic can even activate this instead of Blue Tornado for a few seconds after using Team Blast!

[@LuizHenrique9406]

Although when doing it with Sonic is risky at best and suicidal at worst, I think it is a really cool move, another thing that I think he didn't mention, is that killing enemies while the team blast is cooling off with The Chaotix, you can get extra rings, which think it is amazing

[@Benjawin6671]

Knuckles can launch him with Fire dunk as well

[@josephwilson3180]

Metal Sonic used the power of chaos after he absorbed the life data from Froggy’s tail.

[@Safalmao]

ohhh

[@lilixpictures6128]

real

[@Extra_Comfy_Robot]

Good video. Shame Spontman isnt real and was a fake gamer figment of our imagination this entire time.

[@paigeturner7513]

😂😂😂

[@neonjm8289]

I swear the sentence "going back to Sonic's roots" is the most obnoxious, overused, beat to death sentence in this franchise. Every time Sonic Team has used it, something died inside of me. And it's even worse when pretentious game critics use it. It's like those buzzwords that everyone uses, but no one actually knows what they mean.

[@lpfan4491]

Hey, remember when Colors went back to Sonic's roots, even tho it literally has nothing to do with Sonic's roots besides having brighter colors? Lmao.

[@anotheryoutubeaccount5259]

Yeah, add it to the pile...

[@SonicTheCutehog]

Seeing the original design decision for Heroes, it was supposed to be a "Everyone is Here!" for the Sonic series, with nearly every Sonic character being in the game. This even included deceased characters like Gamma and Chaos. However, Shadow and Omega weren't planned to be in the game originally as the former was supposed to say dead after Adventure 2.

[@trillaggaming2404]

This game was what really introduced me to other characters like Cream, Big, Vex & so many more. Regardless of the mechanics I still have fun with the game. The environments just have so much personality

[@Sb129Gaming]

I wish sega could re-release the game on modern hardware, but with all the legal issues, that ain’t happening 😅

[@kevinkong64]

Legal issues?

[@campiheadmania7436]

What legal issues?

[@Zhawn7]

@@campiheadmania7436 Sonic Heroes was made in the Renderware engine, however EA owned the engine when they bought Criterion Games (The creators of the engine and the Burnout series)

[@stanleech666]

which means it'll be perfect for a remake 👀

[@theonlyxenot]

It's one of my favorite Sonic games, too bad it's not Sonic Heroes on Steam I'd buy it at any price just to remember the good times, good job keep it up

[@RedTygon]

You've got EA to thank for that. Because Heroes was made using Renderware which is owned by them, they say Sega can't sell it without their permission.

[@Villakeen]

You make still play on 360, I do all the time.

[@RedTygon]

@@Villakeen Still got it on PS2, the weakest of the three ports. Keep meaning to get a set up done for my Gamecube.

[@NotBrainytrust]

This game also had many cut teams like Bark, Bean, & Fang had a team and Mighty, Ray, & Metal sonic also had a team

[@min2793]

i feel like mighty and ray would think metal is the real sonic after not seeing him for a long time, and metal would take advantage of that

[@emotion_deluxe]

Sonic heroes IS amazing. The levels are terrific, the music is amazing, the character roster is the best in the series.... hell, it saved the chaotix from obscurity! Obviously i would have loved unique playstyles for ALL the characters, but it's still fun. Plus, Hang Castle, Mystic Mansion, Grand Metropolis, and Thunder Deck are some of the best levels in the whole series! And, the bonus stage theme is one of the best songs in the series too.

[@Izywik92]

Never make a Sonic game cuz this is all wrong

[@Wikwil]

This game is my childhood, I played it so many times when I was younger... On one hand, I'd love to revisit Sonic Heroes one day, but I fear that this would notice all of the little things that are wrong with this game. Idk, I don't want to ruin the good memories I had with this game. Oh and ofc great video! ;)

[@starsmashmations4969]

this sounds weird but I feel the same way with sonic forces. it was my first game and I actually really liked it, but I replayed it a while later and I noticed a ton of problems

[@bfg10k42]

12:30 That also happens in the adventure games when you aren't high enough to perform a homing attack. Gotta get within range by holding the jump button.

[@Pinkio]

tbh my only issues with this game are a few bugs like the rail grinding thing where you sometimes end up falling away from the level

[@paigeturner7513]

Unpopular Opinion: the rail levels are the most terrifying inducing part of the game itself😢. I mostly have to use tails to grind, just so all three stay together and don't fall off 😂😂😂

[@reneethefox4797]

With Team Dark's badnik gauntlet, It's good to use Rouge's thundershoot over Shadow's homing attack. It's slower but way less risky. In general I almost never use homing attack in combat, only using it when it's required part of platforming, it's just way too inconsistent. Also, TIL Team Dark's Chaos Control can be canceled. Suddenly their team blast went from the absolute worst to really good (Chaotix team blast is still the most based). Oh, also I remember having similar trouble with Special Stages to the point that I never actually beat this game as a kid and had to watch a video of the last story on KZbin. At some point I found out that Power characters move at about the same speed as Speed characters while boosting, but having significantly less jank controls. Which made the special stages go from frustratingly difficult to piss easy.

[@playbossthebest936]

17:34 it totally does. Neo metal sonic copied chaos' data from froggy, who's very much been in contact with chaos. Explained in the cutscene after egg emperor with team rose

[@spontman]

I guess I wasn't paying close enough attention. Still ridiculous though lol

[@playbossthebest936]

@@spontman why so

[@Metal_Overlord]

@@spontman its why he stole foggy and Chocola in the first place froggy had residual chaos energy and Chocola is a Chao, the thing that chaos mutated from

[@spontman]

@@Metal_Overlord I'm sorry for misunderstanding your intentions, Mr. Overlord

[@the-aspiring-creator4249]

To be fair, it is a line that's VERY easy to miss if you're a first-time player and for something so crucial it feels so throwaway.

[@DeltaOtaku]

Personally I really enjoyed the more laid-back story, I thought it was a nice change of pace from the Adventure games which went all out with the story and lore. I found Shadow's arc really engaging, I'm happy they brought him back because although his SA2 arc may have been wrapped up, there was still a lot more they could do with his charcter, which is evident throughout Heroes, the Shadow game, and 06. "Goodbye forever, Shadow the Hedgehog" will always remain my favorite line in the Sonic franchise because it's the culmination of Shadow's whole arc from Heroes to Shadow the game. He goes from wrestling with weather or not he is the real thing, to being tormented by Black Doom about his past, to realizing that he is the ultimate lifeform and that's what matters at the end of the day, even if he is a fake (which he isn't, but thats besides the point). No matter what his past might be, or what his future might hold, he's still in the present and must focus on doing what's right, here and now. This all sets the stage perfectly for Shadow's character in 06, but I guess I should stop here before this comment becomes a whole essay 😅. Back to what I was saying eailer, I'm happy they brought back Shadow and I don't think it devalued the ending of SA2 at all, his sacrifice wasn't "pointless" just because he lived. His arc in that game was complete and the day was saved, none of that changed because he survived the fall. However, I do agree with you on the reactions everyone had to Shadow's survival being really underwhelming. Overall, I enjoyed the review. I'm excited for the Pizza Tower video, and of course more Sonic content and whatever else you may have planned, keep up the good work!

[@fictionalmediabully9830]

"Sonic Heroes" is an okay game, but it was the first sign of the Sonic series entering a period of not knowing what it wants to do with itself. There's definitely some good stuff, but his golden/silver eras were now a thing of the past.

[@ssppeeaarr]

and i blame fans for that...

[@Vascularityisgood70]

​@@ssppeeaarr sega and yuji naka were primarly the problem , but yeah the fanbase always being so disgusting they are also teh reason why sonic games sucked in the 2000s cuz they all pressured sega to make some type of adventure 3 game and sega had no choice but to listen so fans would stop whinning about adventure 3 to them and sega s'dark ages of sega vs sony = sony beats sega , sega quit the hardware market ,break up expensive partnerships , boycotts , corporate restructures , sega sammy involvement , devlopment crunch , Did not help at all ...

[@ssppeeaarr]

@@Vascularityisgood70 rip dreamcast. hope someday SEGA makes comeback to console...

[@lugbzurg8987]

I should point out there actually is a unique gimmick to Team Sonic's team blast. After performing it, as long as the gauge is still draining, if you make Sonic jump and hit the "Attack" button (not "Homing Attack", just "Attack") when an enemy is nearby, Sonic will skyrocket into the air and do that "Blast Away!" thing again, destroying the enemy in one hit, no matter how much HP it has, as long as it's not a boss. It's still a bit buggy though, as Sonic can be left hanging in the air for a weird amount of time attempting to home in on the enemy.

[@ChocolateAsylum]

Another common Spontman W. For me, Heroes exists almost as a guilty pleasure because it's out of the blue whenever I want to play this game. Turn off your brain and BLAST AWAY

[@Safalmao]

how is it a guilty pleasure? you let people think for you...

[@Benjawin6671]

4:18 took the words right out of my mouth lol

[@gameguider321GO]

9:15 that is probably the most bizarre bug I've ever seen 🤣

[@Ophomix24]

Outstanding video!

[@Asakedia]

honestly I was just gonna sit through and watch the whole thing in a chill vibe... then I saw the shadow dab with the music that just threw me off so much, I couldn't help but pause the video to type this and give a like instantly xD thank you so much, that was actually fun and unexpected!

[@jamiereeve3136]

This game was my childhood and would be amazing to see a remake

[@megasoniczxx]

9:54 I feel like you could probably apply this to the whole series honestly. Much as I do love Sonic Heroes I can't really blame anybody for not getting into it and despite what my first sentence says I kinda wish they had tried this team mechanic again at some point since I feel like it was a good way for them to technically have alternate characters without having to design whole levels around them as well as sticking to one gameplay objective (sans Team Chaotix).

[@johnkapon8536]

I thought he was going to talk about the scrapped playable characters

[@SSGeneration121]

technically team sonic does have a special ability on their team blast, sonic unlocks the light speed attack when you hit b as the team blast recharges

[@spontman]

Wait, really?? Does the game ever tutorialize this?

[@acookie5769]

@@EuroMIX2 This is wrong. The game absolutely states this, the hint ring at the end of Seaside Hill (the one immediately following you getting launched into a Team Blast balloon) explains it.

[@Mohamed58290]

A remake can do wonders to this game

[@Phil_is_coding]

Anytime I see Spontman upload a video, my day becomes 1000x better. Thx Spont :)

[@ayrtonjoga]

Heroes has tons of issues on it's own, but saying it would've been better if it was Adventure 3 instead, is a vague point because Adventure 1 and 2 are very different from each other. Both have their strengths and weaknesses, in gameplay, level design and structure, so it's hard to accurately tell what Adventure 3 had to be Adventure 1 was an easy and explorable game with many secrets and shortcuts to find thanks to the open stages, great controls, tone and soundtrack, while some characters has hollow gameplay, they were simple enough to speed through, but had a messy structure and quantity > quality issue Adventure 2 was more modest with it's focused gameplay variety, ambitious story, better polish, and linear but replayable levels through the Ranking system, but had a forced gameplay loop that you have to invest a lot of time to see if you even enjoy all of them, which is the biggest problem some fans have with that wasn't there in Adventure 1 So what is Adventure 3 supposed to be if adding, removing, or altering anything from previous games can make or break the game for many people? Maybe 06 almost got that right, but failed for also it's own many reasons, who knows

[@lpfan4491]

I think the idea behind saying that was less "Heroes should have been SA3" and more "If Heroes came after SA3, it probably would have been better."

[@ayrtonjoga]

@@lpfan4491 Oh that makes more sense, I understand that, but I still think a safer bet would be making a gameplay similar to Adventure 2, instead of Adventure 3 outright, since I get why Heroes was Sonic's debute at third party consoles, it was a new public that could feel alienated for not playing the previous games, but not changing the gameplay as much as Heroes did could be a fine solution

[@SuspiciousCat13]

3:14 this made me laugh more than it should’ve

[@mojojojox5043]

Oh hey! You put my comment on the teams representing difficulty in the video, dope. I find it funny how the music has little mention because people already know Sonic has great music lol. Honestly this video made me come to the conclusion that when I play this game I'm going to use any means necessary to minimize the flaws just so I don't ruin the sentimental value the game has by getting very frustrated. even though the dialogue is dumb I still find it charming.

[@cepherinorodriguez8995]

Sonic Heroes actually received mixed reviews.

[@limemaster4942]

I could never access the special stages, trying not to get hit in a game where doing an attack wrong can make you fall off the stage is ridiculous

[@Taika_talvi]

I beat the Team Dark mansion gauntlet on my first try. When I was 4. While doing my homework. Without the monitor even on.

[@trentonhamilton645]

I was in elementary school when Sonic Heroes came out, there is an action stage titled "Mystic Mansion" which is inspired by Disney's The Haunted Mansion (Eddie Murphy Version) that came out in theaters a month before SH.

[@-oldhope-]

WHAT AN AMAZING FLOWER!!!! tHIS FLOWER iS ENGINEERED LIKE A HELL-O-COPTER!!1!111!!!

[@VampireA1056]

What do you mean "Could've been", it is Amazing

[@the.bloodless.one1312]

Sonic Heroes already is amazing!!! One of the most unique 3D platformers, I’ve wanted a Heroes 2 for years!

[@Fenyxclips]

Got a PS2 recently to play this game once again after so long. Still remember the missions I got stuck on (but not the stages or world names) with each team. But this time I have a memory card so I'll not have to fear starting over constantly. If not already clear: I adore Sonic Heroes despite the jank and such. May never have completed it but I was around 5 at the time.

[@reyr.7439]

This game was my childhood 🥹

[@saikuran]

It could have been written better but I think Sonic's reaction to Shadow's return is supposed to be similar to Shadow's reaction to Sonic escaping the exploding capsule in SA2. "Talk about being stubborn and full of surprises" could be a more snarky, 'Sonicky' take on Shadow's line, "You never cease to surprise me, blue hedgehog..." Could always be overthinking it though 😅

[@dudarewsky]

Call Sonic Heros whatever you want but no matter what you can't tell me "What I'm Made Off" is bad.

[@spontman]

Crush 40 never fails to please.

[@mojojojox5043]

Honestly my favorite vocal theme in the series and Crush 40's best song imo.

[@dudarewsky]

@@mojojojox5043 Crush 40 be fr crushing it with the bangers

[@chesspunk489]

I remember the final level for team dark really stressed me out and took awhile for me to beat.

[@edwardrobinson5470]

Amazing video Some characters do have specific moves. Amy can't wall jump and Espio can turn invisible. Yes Team Chaotic is basically the expert mode of the four. Using action replay is fine. Also i didn't know you can turn off team dark Tb.

[@GordonFrohman74]

Hey, I was surprised to see myself in the video. It wasn’t a comment about your video quality, just a praise on how good the optimization is since you don’t need to do anything in case you bought the DVD on release. Unfortunate to hear that your copy isn’t working out of the box. Good videos though, keep on givin’!

[@nightlydata2181]

tho I will say the ability to turn team dark's team blast off was somethin I was unaware of & I thank u truly. I feel like there's a lot of cool stuff u missed out on both in story & gameplay. I won't get into it all cuss that would be an essay I'm too lazy to write but some stuff I will comment on is that while the game buggy as hell, the stage length might be a bit too much, & the reuse of level design with little variety gets borin sometimes this isn't a fault of ST themselves but rather SEGA & ESPECIALLY the gaming industry on the whole(cus if ur game isn't 150hrs + 2000 on sidequests & expansions it's shit). Naturally that poses an issue for sonic who alr doesn't get many devs for him(this game had 1 level designer for atleast 80% of the game & they nearly died. that person was the DIRECTOR HIMSELF). I'm not sayin this isn't an "issue" but paintin it as a pure ST decision jus seems unfair & on top of that they get no time to make these right(if Sega said "do sa3 u got no choice" under those conditions I'm not sayin it'd be 06 but considerin games were slowly but surely gettin harder to make...). I actually really like how sonic controls for 2 reasons mainly 1. this game was the 1st out of 2 or 3 games in the franchise that feel closest to the way a "true" sonic game would feel takin the classics to 3D (unlike the adventure games that utterly failed & completely gave up after a point tho granted Heroes is still doin this under the Adventure template set by those but this'll help a later point I have) 2. Sonic heroes is a team based game so if there is a section u want more control over switch to the either of the others since sonic(speed) can't do everythin perfect here. Ur point on shadow bein back I do partly understand but I do have some diff feelins on that R better for a more fittin topic however ur point on Sonics reaction jus feels like blatant misunderstandin of his character. I wanna point out both Adv 2 & Heroes were written by the same guy but under very diff circumstances for each which changed some of his creative process a good bit. I played Team Rose 1st & not countin story it was the worst for me. If ranked it'd be dark(outstanding), sonic(awesome), chaotix(good), & Rose(D lol). I both do & don't get how ppl can't see the marry shit IS A JOKE 1 she only says in the light of provin herself "worthy" to sonic & 2 NONE of her adventure is hinged on chasin sonic cus of her love but rather cus he's the only evidence they have to find their friends(he's shown kidnappin them lol). She's guidin her friends to be more capable in this dangerous journey since she's grown since Adv 1(which in how it's handled has it's OWN "ISSUES" but it works for wut this game is goin for & in a vacuum it's done "well") the story is consistent & she gets "rewarded" by bein able to ACTUALLY chase after sonic when her job is done. I get that part of the issue u have wit the whole games story is due to poor localization which was a constant in the franchise since 1991 & didn't get fixed till ironically 2006 but if u're gonna mention u're aware of this it feels disingenuous to blame the game itself cus outside forces butchered the OG intent tremendously(*cough shadow the hedgehog *COUGH). Jus wanna note the stupidity in some of the story stuff (like the fights) is somewhat intentional & is outright called out in the game through the characters so the writer knew wut the player was prob thinkin. I don't beleive "power of chaos" entirely literal but I could be wrong. I jus took it as he used some design cues & physical abilities Eggman recorded. The balls R prob cus 1. SEGA/ST don't want a "Super Sonic bargain sale" (heh) since it devalues super sonic & well cus DB 2. it makes more thematic sense for sonic as a character so super Tails/Knuckles jus aren't canon. I understand ur whole point on the sequel bit but I don't think it was the intention of Heroes to be a sequel. ST wanted a game that went back to Sonic's roots in the classics in as many facets as possible while put under the more (at the time) modern lense wit the Adv template the current team was accustomed to so new players on the GC, xbox, & PS2 wouldn't be overwhelmed wit needin to go to the past to understand everythin & enjoy the game as they get the experience of wut "true" sonic is from the classics & not adv. it's a "one catch all" (I hope that was the correct quote lol). It brings nostalgia to old players as well in gameplay feel, general story tone(while puttin some adv stuff in there to not completetly alienate those fans), & overall style in visual & the like. The game is supposed to be a "day in the life of (classic-ish) Sonic & friends. It pulls back from the SAGA endin plot of adv. 2 for somethin more layed back & jus fun time in general. It also jus has a more well put together story imo. I think adv 2 is "better" in story but the REALLY good stuff(or even jus the stuff that clarifies confusin parts) R either in recaps or the jp manual & no one is gonna read that so atleast the whole story is in the game & generally makes sense. Heroes is somethin I like way more than both Adv on the whole partly cus it's jus more consistent(to start only 1 gameplay style). If we're gonne talk bout wut was an "Omen" then Heroes is NOT the game to go for. Sonic 2, Sonic 3&K, all the released & cancelled side-games in the 90s sonic drought, Sonic adv 1/2 how SEGA was LITERALLY BURNIN ALIVE DURIN ALMOST ALL OF THIS is a lot more emblematic of things to come. Sonic heroes was jus the 1st (at the time) to show visible cracks for audiences to notice. sry for the essay anyways lmao, cool vid

[@-oldhope-]

i think sonic apol

[@emanchi8403]

The other modern sonic games generally take after realistic locations but for Heroes it was like they brought the themeing of the classic games into 3D

[@dolphinpuff5045]

I am very proud to say I did all the special stages fair and square and did the Chaotix story legitimately please ignore me not finishing team dark or team sonic out of boredom

[@aphronadeshiko]

A remake would be great, this game holds a special place in my heart, as it was the first Sonic game I played as a kid.

[@AhmedGH433]

12:28 bro i felt the same way, i got so mad that i punched a pillow near me and have been blowed up and also i love sonic heroes, it was my real game begining to be a fan of the blue needlemouse (after playing the mobile sonic remake games that i was sucking on it)

[@JonyPlayz1]

Interesting video, you’ve got pretty good points tbh. Premydaremy would be disappointed looking at this lol

[@tylerr6618]

Any chance of a Sonic 06 review later on

[@spontman]

Will probably be next after Pizza Tower.

[@WISHMKRMortem]

I'm glad you ended up playing the gamecube version! Something a lot of people don't know is that the PC version of the game is actually an earlier build of the game. If you ask me, it's much more clunky and buggy than the console versions. So ending up playing the GameCube version is definitely playing the definitive version of the game.

[@Amit7.]

It's not an earlier build, it's a port from the Xbox version of the game 😂.

[@WISHMKRMortem]

@@Amit7. It's not the same as the Xbox version if that's what you're tryna tell me

[@Amit7.]

It's the same. And it's not buggy more than the console ones 😂. So piss off.

[@WISHMKRMortem]

@@Amit7. It's definitely a different build of the game to the point where leaderboards separate them because of how functionally different they can be with certain things because of the build

[@fernandodavid9495]

19:20 Sonic Omens reference!!!😱‼️💀🤡😂😂‼️‼️‼️

[@KingdomHeartsBrawler]

Sonic Heroes deserved better. I still like it a lot, though. Probably the biggest contributor to the game's state is the fact that the dev team only consisted of 19 people, and they only had two years to make the game. Takashi Iizuka himself pulled double duty as director and level designer, and things got to a point to where, near the end of the development when the other key level designer got sick, Iizuka literally worked for days on end without sleep, losing 22 pounds in the process. Needless to say, Yuji Naka was a slave driver and it's a good thing he's in jail.

[@humus4061]

there is a bug in the special zone to complete it in seconds: As soon as you touch the first orb use the power character and hold boost (still try to get the orbs so you dont run out of boost) I dont know if this makes you faster or the emerald slower, but it works so give it a try

[@tylerhughes9090]

I agree I think had the game had more time development and having more developers for the games, since it seems like only four people worked on it, it could have been a great game, plus the difficulty from Sonic Adventure 2 was so difficult if you are playing as Team Dark !

[@sethmoses6279]

Actually, when I first played Team Chaotix, I didn't even know that their client was Eggman all along. I was young, and I'm autistic, so I was pretty new to these kinds of stories. Please, don't call me dumb or stupid because of my youthful ignorance, learning disability, and naivety.

[@maplewings6482]

man i love heros

[@negazer-0]

W.I.P. COMMENT One criticism at 04:18 - i feel like the audio of sonic talking and your voice recording couldve been separate because hearing both at the same time makes it kinda hard to focus on either; otherwise good video so far 👍

[@AccelerateHedge]

Neo Metal Sonic was able to use the power of Chaos by collecting the data of Froggy and Chocola. Froggy, because he absorbed Chaos in Sonic Adventure, and Chocola, because Chaos is actually a mutated Chao, and presumably through the two of them he was able to piece together a rough approximation of Chaos's biodata.

[@dominosnostradamus2415]

Was not pointless dude just it’s part of his story and why his memories are gone 11:39

[@ThatRetroGuy2005]

I'm hoping for sonic heroes to be remake from scratch

[@MrBomb411]

13:08 Dude- You had Omochao explain them all ._. He literally says TeamDark is Hard mode xD

[@featherguardian6023]

I Understand this Game has Many Flaws and it could have been Structured Better,It’s a Fun Game with a Unique Mechanic and Revolutionized the Franchise for Better or Worse,Sonic Heroes is either Underrated or a Great Game that’s One of the Best in the Franchise.

[@Izywik92]

Zombie

[@Noah0_]

Whats the name of the music used at the end of the video?

[@kevin_kevinson]

Still better than every boost title to date.

[@charmyzard]

Why was I not surprised you'd highlight the 3:14 dab? Is it a must nowdays though?

[@spontman]

yes

[@charmyzard]

@@spontman 🦔

[@noone5454]

0:56 Hey, I'm there!

[@crashban4t.f.s.b783]

I thought the cutscenes in Sonic Heroes looked bad back then. They look so blurry even for GameCube standards.

[@GOTTAGOTHEFASTEST]

He could use the power of Chaos since he copied Froggy and Cheese (Froggy had some of Chaos inside of him and Cheese is a Chao which Chaos is the guardian of and he used to be one)

[@fares_gamer603]

Im from the SA1 Video :]

[@SkyStrife2690]

*searches comment section for a prowling premdaremy*

[@sheriefwoodard8686]

I’m gonna correct the title to Sonic Heroes could’ve been more amazing

[@jaydonfunna6521]

Damn man can u name the music ur using

[@Eshanthegreat]

17:12 So we have been a silent hill protagonist the whole time

[@katlavender2806]

the funny thing is that i've played this game in 2004 and for some reason it had no cutscenes...... i foolishly thought if i beat the game i'll unlock the story... so i literally just learned that chaotix was hired by eggman yesterday in a different sonic essay. talk about being late to the party :(

[@syweb2]

17:30 He used the power of _everyone_ he came across over the course of the game - Sonic, Shadow, Knuckles, Espio, even _Charmy._ Sonic, Shadow, and Chaos (via the Chao) are the most notable ones, of course.

[@obd9660]

Jokes on you, Takeshi Izzuka said in a magazine in 2005 that he'd wanted Shadow to have his own game since SA2. Something SO MANNY people gloss over, or are unaware of.

[@Izywik92]

Source?

[@lpfan4491]

3:24 The models are good, but...eh. I have to admit, I genuinely don't get why I don't particularly like this look in Heroes, even tho I like it in Shadow the Hedgehog. Maybe it is that since everything is bright and shiny here, the characters just feel like overkill or fail to stick out in a proper way. Even tho the mods that remove the shine and make the models more flat make them look kinda plastic-like, I end up preferring them.(Infact, they ironically look closer to the renders at 3:20 than the vanilla visuals) 13:00 We CAN do that!? I wasted so much time... I also only played Team Dark because I don't want to play this game again until mods 1: Actually fix the PC-port(Lmao, it is even more buggy) and 2: Make heroes a decent game.(What exactly needs to happen for that to occur changes depending on how I feel each day, but the vague bottom line should be that it needs to at least reach the gameplay-quality of the Adventure games or even Shadow, because I swear that game is more fun to play for me despite technically having worse physics.)

[@sandman8920]

Bingo highway still blows my mind 😂

[@kkirby999]

18:52 "looking at you paper mario." How beat do you want your dead horse???

[@spontman]

i want it completely vaporized

[@reddemon6668]

Sonic heroes IS amazing lol. Gameplay is one of the best sonic team ever made

[@Banana807]

Eh, not really, i like heroes but its got alot of problems

[@reddemon6668]

@@Banana807 every game has its issues, doesn’t stop it from being amazing. It’s a good game

[@koruoshouji9960]

@@reddemon6668 every game has issues but not at the same level of heroes

[@reddemon6668]

@@koruoshouji9960 for sure, most games are worse, only a few are better than heroes

[@Izywik92]

@@reddemon6668Nostalgia is a hell of a drug and you’re an addict

[@haniabuhijleh1634]

sic vid

[@elliottlewis65]

Sonic heroes look so fun. because I've never owned a PS2. I'll never get a chance to play It.

[@tygical]

sonic heroes was amazing

[@ClaytonKay_Music]

Woh, Emojis exist

[@mage4516]

Sonic heroes IS amazing

[@Safalmao]

ikr

[@Izywik92]

@@Safalmao Y’all bash Sonic 06 for being broken yet worship this game like it’s the freaking best game of all time even if it’s as broken as 06. Hypocrisy at its finest

[@Safalmao]

@@Izywik92 its not nearly as broken as 06 and i still like 06 more.

[@joebradburnii]

Here’s one big problem I have with people complaining about shadow. “His sacrifice was pointless” BULLSHIT. It was the intention that mattered, that is all. If you go and save a schoolbus from blowing up, and everyone things you died protecting a bunch of kids, you’re a noble hero. But if a search party finds you barely clinging on the next day, was your sacrifice suddenly pointless? No, so what’s the real reason people get annoyed by shadow coming back?

[@lpfan4491]

It's a writing-thing. If your scenario was a fictional story, then yes, it would infact make it less impactful.

[@joebradburnii]

@@lpfan4491 I completely disagree

[@lpfan4491]

@@joebradburnii I mean, it's your right to be wrong about writing if you want to be.

[@joebradburnii]

@@lpfan4491 within writing, specifically when talking about the judgement of a character. There is no right or wrong, just an opinion. That’s all there is to it. Good try though!

[@lpfan4491]

@@joebradburnii It's literally called a sacrifice.

[@BrendaSantiago1530]

12:08 they actually were going to do it

[@Safalmao]

sonic heroes IS amazing, sadly it was only ever ported to ps2 and nothing else, which means some people have never heard of it, and some people don't know how to set emulators to play it.

[@AwijoshSun]

12:40 I beat this gauntlet with my eyes open and as a teenager....................and it wasn't at all worth it. I wish I had an Action Replay back then to skip that. I am happy for you.

[@vani-lla]

"lecturing"

[@iMernerner]

I think Shadow the hedgehog is a better game than ... Heroes. Best End boss music tho.

[@Misc-ql3hc]

Sonic heroes coul've been amazing, so sad... I couldn't get past the first level because of those darn rolling stones!

[@venny1689]

Saying Sonic Heroes is a bad sequel is like saying Mario 64 is a bad sequel. It's not a sequel to begin with. Also sonic adventure 3 already happened, it's called sonic 06 wether people like it or not.

[@-oldhope-]

🤓

[@lpfan4491]

Imagine saying Heroes is not trying to be a sequel to SA2, but 06 is, even tho that is moreso a sequel to Shadow, which itself is a sequel to Heroes.

[@dominosnostradamus2415]

Fair point 11:55

[@Metal_Overlord]

This video feels very odd. I don't think it's very fair to criticize heroes for just not being adventure 3. There's nothing wrong with having a smaller scope.

[@spontman]

I'm moreso saying that if Sonic Team had made Adventure 3 first, they would've had a better baseline to build upon for this game. As I said at the end, I think Heroes, even with the exact same formula, could've reached its potential had they held off on it for just a little bit longer. Also, I have no problem with them wanting to have a smaller scope. But if that's what they were going for, then they shouldn't have required replaying the game four times just to reach the final boss.

[@Metal_Overlord]

@@spontman I don't think and adventure 3 could have come before heroes the whole point of heroes is to be understandable to anyone. It being the first mainline sonic game Sega made as a 3rd party has a large part in the games identity

[@spontman]

@Metal_Overlord With both of the previous games being ported to GameCube anyway, I feel like it wouldn't have really been an issue, but I dunno. I probably wouldn't feel this way had Sonic '06 turned out good, and had Sonic Team not completely changed course afterwards. Heroes could've just been that one weird game, but instead it's the first of a ton of them.

[@Metal_Overlord]

@@spontman the Dreamcast and GameCube were the least popular consoles of the 6th generation. For an incredibly large amount of people this would be their 1st sonic game. Side note: I think most people would say that heroes wasn't the start of the dark age, shadow 05 was