Sonic's CONFLICTING Nintendo Switch Ports

[@gligarguy4010]

6:20 "Everything just looks so deep fried" What a strange, unique insult.

[@SFproductions1]

LMAO i couldnt think of any other way to describe it

[@eliezersarcos7813]

​@@SFproductions1 i legit turned my head and audibly said "whatttt???" When you said it looks deep fried lol

[@RClipsGaming101]

Yeah, no that is actually an accurate way to describe it. I know cause it's the only version I have.😅

[@CyberTronX280]

This line gave me a good laugh, ngl. 😂

[@TheRobloxianBeatSabertist]

Plastic would be another way but that’s for other games like Miitopia. (I find it’s quality better on the 3DS because it looks “plastic” on the switch.)

[@undyingstar]

Just to point this out, if you fully zoom in into the sonic 2 island in origins it can drop to 15 frames, which is insane

[@SonkerOfficial]

can confirm that this is true. How do you even mess up a menu?

[@carloshenreque25]

​@@SonkerOfficialAny recent cod:

[@malachigv]

@@SonkerOfficial hedgehog engine bloat; it's good for a full game, but just for a menu is overkill and by shoving a ton of shit into one confined place, they're actively fighting against the engines main advantages that set it apart from everything else. Unity would've been a MUCH better choice technologically speaking, though why would they pay a license for a quick 3D menu when they already got a powerful 3D engine they don't have to pay a license for? 15fps.

[@FanicTheHedgehogYT]

We just realized every Nintendo Switch Sonic Games runs like 30Fps

[@ahmedhasan4966]

Sonic Mania and Sonic Superstars:

[@SonicTheBlueBlur15]

@@ahmedhasan4966that one looks good

[@repoversemedium]

@@ahmedhasan4966exactly

[@Izhen_UwU]

​@@ahmedhasan4966 both run at a smooth 60 FPS!

[@groudonor12]

@@ahmedhasan4966 2D Sonic Games with ONE of them being made by a fan and the OTHER made after the juggernaut that's Sonic Frontiers..

[@Unfunnyjestr]

It’s really funny how Nintendo Sonic fans went from getting exclusives to having worse ports than the original game cough (colors) cough

[@TravisLee33]

S😅

[@gmoneythestickman]

(cough) Adventure

[@2fernandoc1]

@@gmoneythestickman At least it ran at 60fps

[@TheRobloxianBeatSabertist]

That's pretty much the result of having a console held back in terms of quality.

[@flarestorm9417]

SEGA: this is what you get for that crummy Wii U exclusively from the mid-2010s!

[@Galacticstarsofthegalaxy]

Keep in mind the casual player won’t think “ OH THIS GAME IS A SLIGHTLY FPS DOWNGRADE “ most don’t care, they play the switch to have fun, not because it’s BAD, when someone plays frontiers on switch 90% of people won’t complain about the fps downgrade, you don’t even notice UNLESS you compare it side by side with another version but why the fuck would you do that?

[@littletiffany9089]

This is something I noticed about SF Productions' content. He brings up stuff 90% of people don't care about or notice. Unless said person is a chronic Twitter user. There is a term called "Brainrot." Though I don't fully understand what it means, I think SF Productions has that

[@RClipsGaming101]

I'm a switch user for most of these games. And legit the only one I really think was worth mentioning was Frontiers. And that's only because the looks just that much worse on Switch than any of the other ports. I have arguablybhad a better time with these versions of the games though since, even though the graphics took a slight hit, the switch controls honestly feel very responsive and smooth. And honestly, when it comes to games like Forces specifically, that's a plus for me since I mostly don't enjoy the game due to the bad physics and controls. So yeah, I'd say for even more die-hard Sonic fans like myself, the only thing that would have been worth bring up would have been Frontiers, as it's the most relevant to what he's talking about. Everything else is just kind of nit picks.

[@Rodriguez-ib8oi]

This is why its a joke when people imply these people posting on KZbin/Twitter represent a fanbase. No, they dont

[@marioboi323]

I haven’t found anything wrong with the switch port. Even compared to the other versions of the game, it looks pretty good

[@cabin_ot]

@@littletiffany9089by definition you have brainrot for not being able to notice going from 1440p 240fps to 720p 30fps. This is a MASSIVE downgrade for me and extremely noticeable no matter what kind of drugs you kids are smoking to “not notice”. I would have to assume your eyes are broken if you think frontiers was only a small fps downgrade because that shit reminded me of the sonic unleashed ports for wii and ps2

[@ZepMarioBros]

This video really cleared up a lot of my doubts about the Sonic ports on Nintendo Switch!

[@judahfalls7704]

You have to understand they are already severely limiting games like Frontiers with the Switch in mind. That's why every version of the game has horrifically hard coded pop in, that you can only partly resolve on PC. The only way to make games run really great on Switch is to build separate games for it. And we don't want to go back to that era of Sonic. Things will get a bit better when the Switch 2 comes out. It's not SEGA's fault that the Switch is significantly weaker 2 and a half generations behind in power.

[@DraculaHasBaculaPain]

I actually beat Frontiers on Switch and ngl it looks fine, I think people are exaggerating WAY too much about how it looks

[@Keeby219]

me too! its a perfectly playable versions of the game and im someone that values gameplay over graphics so i had a great time with Frontiers

[@KingPotatoMatt]

On dock it’s wayyy noticeable how bad the game look

[@Keeby219]

@@KingPotatoMatt it's kinda crazy ngl

[@TheCrazyGamer]

Not a graphical difference but fun fact... the switch port of Team Sonic Racing is missing the opening CGI cutscene that is present in every other version.

[@2fernandoc1]

I believe they said they didn't have enough cartridge space, but they never added it in the digital version or added it as a free update/patch

[@judahfalls7704]

It is to save on the Switch tax. By removing the CGI cutscene, they can use a much smaller card with a lower Switch tax, then they can sell the game cheaper. They could have put it in a patch but they obviously didn't see the point in taking away space from the switch for it.

[@GenerationZ313]

I find their reasoning for not having it absurd, especially since Team Sonic Racing was included in a physical double pack that also included Sonic Mania on the same cartridge. I mean, they also could've just patched the game to include it as well, not to mention the digital release wouldn't have this problem, so it just sounds like they weren't willing to go the extra way to add something so trivial.

[@panafa3617]

​@@judahfalls7704switch tax lmao, what a funny term

[@silentkill450]

@@GenerationZ313The double pack probably used the cartridges with the same capacity as the original release considering that sonic mania is only slightly under 200MB with the opening cutscene probably taking up a significant amount of space in comparison. Most people also made the flawed argument of “oh, but I downloaded the cutscene from a KZbin video using a converter and it was only 10MB” not knowing that most video files in games tend to be uncompressed data.

[@aldenaoc8847]

“Sonic had a rocky history on the switch”

[@sonic_production]

Frontiers is actually fine until you get to final horizon...oh my god. because the objects are spammy it sometimes leads to fps drops, heck even physics glitches. but it was somewhat still playable, and the final boss was surprisingly good looking on it.

[@agentomecha634]

Before I got a Series X, the Switch port of Sonic Frontiers was how I first experienced that game. And despite the lower quality graphics and lower framerate, I didn’t really mind it. I even ended up putting a lot of hours into the game and often found myself playing the it in handheld mode a lot. The game being locked to 30fps doesn’t really bother me either. I can’t really tell the difference between 30fps or 60fps unless I’m watching a KZbin video. The only time a game’s framerate bothers me is when it’s very inconsistent.

[@judahfalls7704]

You are also honestly the audience SEGA is hoping for. The point is they got a game that is playable that still resembles the bigger version of the game. That is commendable.

[@GenerationZ313]

I'm still playing the Switch version of Sonic Frontiers and it plays fine enough but with that said I generally agree that aside from handheld play it is objectively the worst way to play.

[@jollama]

@@judahfalls7704Ignorance is bliss

[@jollama]

Bro probably thinks real life is 30 fps

[@judahfalls7704]

@@jollama Indeed.

[@d.o.a9236]

The fact that Frontiers was planed to be launch on Switch really slowed down the game because CLEARLY THE PC AND PS/Box version were tone down to match the Switch. Explaining all those pop ins and the low render distance

[@judahfalls7704]

Indeed and Sonic Team clearly didn't have the budget or team size to properly test and build out the game for higher spec platforms, so they basically just hard coded it around the lowest spec hardware, the Switch.

[@ajflink]

That was my personal theory for a while. It is kinda why I have this sentiment that the Nintendo Switch is hindering games that I have to sacrifice things that would work fine on PC, PS5, and Xbox Series X yet struggle noticeably on the Nintendo Switch. It would be like making an Xbox 360 and PS3 game but having significantly scale back because it needs to run on the PSP as well as and there is no time or resources to make two separate version of the game.

[@RClipsGaming101]

The switch MIGHT hinder some games, but that's more so because developers don't take their time anymore and do their homework. Admittedly though, it is amazing that certain games can even run on this thing sometimes.😅😅😅😅😅

[@d.o.a9236]

@@judahfalls7704 explaining how and why a switch version is identical to its Xbox/Ps version even though it’s a sonic game so the graphics aren’t that high to begin with

[@ajflink]

@@RClipsGaming101 Very true. The Witcher III and DOOM Eternal are probably the most surprising ones that I know of.

[@SonicTheBlueBlur15]

7:43 something i actually kinda like about the switch port is it looks like a 3ds game

[@TheRobloxianBeatSabertist]

Yeah but it makes it look like it just has better renders than 3DS. I saw a comparison of Miitopia on 3DS and Switch and the Switch made everything look really plastic.

[@GenerationZ313]

I always thought that Sonic Superstars artstlye reminded me a lot of Sonic Generations on 3DS.

[@randomgamingin144p]

shame that the nintendo switch's screen isnt 120 hz so you cant use shutter glasses and alternating images to make it 3d (you could do alternating 30 fps but that would be VERY flickery)

[@randomgamingin144p]

well theres always red and blue glasses.. but those kind of compromise colour accuracy

[@jskywalker58]

I think sega should try making a sonic game with a cel shaded artsyle not only do i think that artstyle would fit sonic greatly but it would make it easy for the game to run of nintendo consoles

[@RaziOrSomething]

I play Gens with a cel shader mod and it's beautiful, it fits Sonic perfectly.

[@crestofhonor2349]

Cel shading doesn't make the game easier to run. The switch would still need heavy compromises as it's weaker than smartphones too

[@continental_consumer]

Or they can do nothing becahse the switch 2 is coming out at around early 2025 with ps4 gen level power which is what their games are made for anyways

[@arturothehedgehog11]

@@crestofhonor2349 they can do something like BoTW that uses models with a somewhat lower poly count thanks to the cell shading hiding those little details

[@SuperDuckyPlaysGames]

I own the Switch version of Team Sonic Racing, and I honestly had a fun time with it, and I didnt really notice any graphical issues (to be fair I also always played it in handheld mode)

[@baxodlade]

Same, I own it along with the mania pack and honestly, I don’t see any difference

[@judahfalls7704]

You are honestly the audience SEGA is hoping for. The point is they got a game that is playable that still resembles the bigger version of the game. That is commendable.

[@davion4777]

Man, the Switch Colors port was such a baffling travesty. They couldn't even manage to get a remaster of a freaking Wii game run at 60fps. In my opinion any remaster that doesn't target 60fps is automatically ridiculous, but this is even worse. Instead, I love Origins on Switch and it's my favorite version of the game because I have the NSO Mega Drive controller, so my experience can be as close as possible to the original.

[@OmarRodriguez-pj3qy]

In Sonic Mania for Switch, I recently noticed this significant frame drop during the Chemical Plant Act 1 Boss. When the machine is below moving left to right and you run left to right too, the frames get very choppy. Though I think it may only happen if you have a shield active at the same time which also increases the activity going on. It’s hard to look at when it happens but it’s only a couple seconds at a time and really only that one instance in my experience.

[@zekmaster644]

That's crazy cause when I ported my copy of Mania to the Wii there was 0 issues with that boss. Kind of insane that that boss is more optimized on a gen 7 console than on the switch

[@zachpro5475]

Sonic games have a rough transition to the switch

[@ahmedhasan4966]

Some of them did, some of them did not.

[@groudonor12]

@@ahmedhasan4966 having a drop in frame rate doesn't equate to "oh it's fine"..

[@andersonsansonowski459]

​@@groudonor12this is the second time I see you around making jokes about sonic's rough transitions😂

[@TheLogreal]

@@groudonor12 except it does, 30 fps is fine.

[@snakey888]

​@@TheLogreal But 60 is much more preferable, especially for a Sonic game.

[@UltraSTH]

I first played Sonic Frontiers on my Switch, and let me tell you, when I got my Xbox Series X and downloaded Frontiers to it, it felt like I was playing a remaster of that game and it was AMAZING

[@SonicTheBlueBlur15]

Since they took a while to get sxsg for switch, i feel we switch users can finally play the game with good frames, i know gens will look amazing as the switch is stronger than ps3 and xbox 360, and gens is hardly changed, i just hope shadow gens looks good

[@GenerationZ313]

It's a matter of optimization at this point. Sonic Colors Ultimate could've easily run miles better than what we got, but clearly, not as much care was taken with that port, especially since the job was outsourced to another Studio instead of Sonic Team.

[@SonicTheBlueBlur15]

@@GenerationZ313 switch users gonna eat good with sxsg

[@snakey888]

Expect no higher than 30 fps on switch. While 60 fps on consoles.

[@deadturret4049]

Im calling it now; chemical plant from original gens is still going to tank the framerate to single digits like it did on xbox 360

[@lemon5000-tj6nv]

0:13 unwiished, gens 3ds and lost world 3ds crying in the corner

[@Speedsterblue789]

The fact frontiers graphics on switch weren’t great compared to other consoles this just scares me on how the switch port of sonic x shadow generations is gonna look.

[@Red_Rascal90]

As a guy who only owns a switch, i never saw any of the bad. I thought the game looked good, i didn't have any performance issue. Maybe, that's because i bever got the chance to play the other versions

[@Faizu777]

Everyone stop hating the switch plz… I have my switch OLED, a modded 3ds and Wii

[@shreyashishmitra6196]

The reason why sonic games on switch run on 30 FPS is because of they don't reduce the number of tri polygon in the models

[@crestofhonor2349]

The lighting is probably a bigger reason. You can only cut down the lighting so much before it doesn't resemble the original game. The poly count is much less of a reason why as the Switch version already has reduced poly counts. Still they'd never hit 60fps

[@ItsAubreeyy]

4:09 isnt it HILARIOUS how the fucking WII can run sonic colors better than the switch

[@HybridAngelZero]

Sonic Colors is one of my favorite games in the series and I am so baffled not just by the Switch version but like, in general. I don't know why they couldn't just take the Wii version, polish it up into HD and call it a day. Apparently some data mining shows that a bunch of models like the Wisps seemed to have been redone with unnecessarily high polygon counts, and like... it's just such a mess

[@andreyrh]

Honestly imo, Frontiers is kinda understandable, but games like Colors honestly don't make any sense, are you telling me a wii game can't run on switch at 60fps? When there is Kirby Return to Dreamland Deluxe, Super Mario Galaxy or Zelda SS? Generations, at least the part of the og generations has to run at 60fps because the switch is way more powerful than a X360/PS3, at least talking rn at the 3D games

[@Mojo1356]

You overestimate how much stronger the Switch is compared to the Xbox 360 and PS3. And the other issue is that the original Generations ran at 30 fps for the console release.

[@Mojo1356]

And as for Colors, I blame the fact Sega not only handed it to what are essentially a bunch of new kids in a new development team altogether but also did the usual Sega rush for the holiday season treatment.

[@andreyrh]

@@Mojo1356 I mean, the switch is halfway between an X360/PS3 and a XONE/PS4, and honestly, even rn a very low specs laptop or even pc can run fairly decent generations, so there's no reason the game can't run at 60fps on Switch

[@andreyrh]

@@Mojo1356 true bro, colors ult was super rushed, and sadly, even on next gen platforms it was a complete mess, just that switch took that plus a really unstable framerate

[@Mojo1356]

@@andreyrh you give the Switch’s hardware way too much credit.

[@ZeDLoCs]

The Sonic Ports on switch are programmed to read inputs at 60 while running at 30. It’s mentioned in interviews with Sonic Team over the years. This however doesn’t directly apply to Colors Ultimate, I’m unsure of that port since it wasn’t directly done by Sonic Team.

[@TheOfficialMateoPlays]

Overall, I'm just confused about how video game companies can release games on a handheld with an almost ancient mobile chip while they can't release it on last gen home consoles and newer mobile phones.

[@flaviaocopeiro]

I think you didn't give enough credit to Team Sonic Racing, sure being only 30 fps is a bummer, but Allstars Transformed was also 30 fps on consoles and that's how most people played the game. I think you should've praised more the port cause it's honestly amazing how graphically it looks the same as the PS4 version, most multiplat games on Switch have some more downgrades in textures and lighting even if you cut the framerate in half, but this port hardly any graphically different from the PS4 and it runs at 900p docked and full 720p handheld, it's awesome really.

[@deadturret4049]

Lighting is noticeably worse on the switch version though. Definitely not a deal breaker mind you; its a great port and generally a fun game still

[@eslm-studios2996]

Why do I suddenly have a bad feeling about the Sonic X Shadow Generations Switch port now...?

[@xenogen372]

For now the most we can hope for is that it runs at a smooth 30fps because devs do not wanna put in the time to make these remasters run ar 60 despite Generations not seeing any huge graphical updates compared to the Shadow portion.

[@justinli5117]

At the end of the day, we should be glad that Sonic games are on Switch regardless of performance issues, we don’t need a “Genesis does what Nintendon’t” situation, just let the blue hedgehog be in Mario’s territory

[@JoshioE110]

Thank you! I don’t care about performance issues, as long as I can play the game that’s fine. I’m also glad you’re against that quote.

[@Trrvvfo]

I'm just happy to be able to play the same game and not a different one with the same name unleashed wii

[@GenerationZ313]

​@@TrrvvfoIt's great that we're getting the same experience across all platforms but I'm actually starting to miss the days where the handheld ports were different. That's not to say they were all great but if I wanted more of the same game I could always rely on a handheld version to possibly fix some issues I had with the console version.

[@jollama]

Bro’s encouraging low standards

[@Mojo1356]

@@jollamamore like not all of us need everything to run at 1440k resolution and 120 fps.

[@SONICSTREAM64]

Not going to lie I'm an switch user and I'm surprised that the game can even run on the Nintendo switch (Great video by the way)

[@vinialt531]

i got 100% on sonic frontiers for the switch, and it was honestly not as bad as it may sound!

[@SuperSonicUltimate-YT]

Man I Just Released That A Lot Of Sonic Games Are Stuck On 30fps On Switch (Great Video Man 🔥)

[@supercat2087]

Yo bro keep up the consistent upload schedule man you’re gonna blow up 😳

[@SFproductions1]

I'll try!

[@ninstars]

The framerate drops really hard on the Switch version of Sonic Superstars if you use the speed shoes or a super transformation, this is probably caused by the after-image effect they have, they never bothered to fix that for some reason.

[@zaidebtw4438]

An option to switch to 720p and maintain a 60fps resolution would be cool

[@slam422]

Fun fact about colors ultimate; the majority of the "Seizure inducing" glitches were hoaxed. They were being done on an emulator to make it look worse than it actually was. It was still there but nowhere near as bad as it was being made out to be.

[@SFproductions1]

Oh yes I remember that but there were still REALLY bad glitches on actual hardware

[@Sydney_Angelyt]

that's wrong, actually. No one was trying to fake them. Only one glitch was done on an emulator, being the T-pose in planet wisp but even that glitch was replicated on real hardware later. But people took that and ran screaming they were all fake.

[@legoboy7107]

Actually no, initially it was found out that someone was getting the seizure glitches on emulator, and some started CLAIMING they were fake, but then AFTER that it was discovered that, no, they are very real and do happen on the Switch. So it was not a hoax after all, but it was a developing story, and what you described was a specific point in that developing story but it wasn't the final conclusion.

[@judahfalls7704]

Colours Ultimate was less a reflection on the Switch's old hardware and more on the fact that they handed it off to Blind Squirrel who tried to run Godot engine on top.

[@GenerationZ313]

​@@judahfalls7704it was more of porting issue than a hardware issue for sure. I mean you can probably just emulate the original Wii version on Switch and it would probably run much better than the actual remaster.

[@Cilverkid456]

To be honest a lot of these games didnt need compromises. A lot of them was compromised for no reason. Im pretty sure Sonic Forces, Colors (a freaking Wii game), and Superstars should have been better! But Sega confirmed in a interview with GameExplain they developed Sonic X Shadow Generations for PlayStation 5 first which they been developing for PlayStation first this whole time which is a big mistake give the only Sonic game out sell their Switch Version was Sonic Frontiers (only because it LOOKED like a Triple A), not for being Sonic. Most the Generation long Switch Sonic games been out selling their more graphical versions. So my question is why didnt Sega develop first for Switch to make sure Nintendo Sonic fans, their biggest audience had a great experience dispite power? Looking at Ratchet and Clank, Sly Cooper, and Jak and Daxer PlayStation is not the main audience for Sonic. Heck i don't see Astro Bot selling that well.

[@SonicTheBlueBlur15]

Cant wait to switch 2, the only reason i have ps5 is to play sonic games at full power, once switch 2 releases and (hopefully) is powerful, imma just sell all my consoles for switch 2 and everything

[@ahmedhasan4966]

Yes now you just have to to play the waiting game.

[@Sydney_Angelyt]

at that point you might as well get a gaming laptop

[@russellwestbrook462]

@@Sydney_Angelyta ps5 is still about half the price of any gaming laptop that is actually worth buying

[@judahfalls7704]

I think you might be overestimating how powerful Switch 2 will be. At best it might come within spitting distance of a PS4, which is around the raw power of a Steam Deck. From there it is going to depend on how many clever tricks Nvidia has baked into the hardware if any.

[@zekmaster644]

You may as well get a steam deck and not lock yourself into Nintendo

[@ExplicandoEnglish]

Sonic Forces: 30 fps sucks Sonic Team Racing: 30 fps is horrible Sonic Colors: 30 fps is not good Sonic Frontier: I hate 30 fps Sonic Superstars: the game runs at 60 fps, but, nah, I think 30 fps would be fine here I wasn't expecting that.

[@androgamerzx389]

Takashi Iizuka already confirmed in an interview that Sonic X Shadow Generation will be capped at 30 fps.

[@baxodlade]

which campain?

[@jamiewilliamson9829]

Did he? I can't find anything on that.

[@Star.6739]

on EVERY platform?

[@baxodlade]

@@Star.6739 no obviously

[@baxodlade]

Where

[@LotsOfToubleUsuallySerious]

The pop-in and repeating textures in Frontiers are an issue (and a big one at that), but i think the textures are quite justifiable in the open zones, as they are massive open worlds with lots of things going on, so if you wanted high quality textures you'd need Colors Ultimate loading times, probably even more. The fps never went below 29 for me, and i beat that game to almost 100% completion (i just need some collectibles and S ranks) Also, 30fps = unplayable now?

[@EnzoZambrotti]

I fully believe that Sonic Dream Team should have been a Switch Exclusive, or atleast be on both Mobile and Switch

[@Bean_Lava]

This is why the only Switch Sonic games I have are Sonic Mania, Sonic Origins and Forces cuz that game will never get worse. Or better no matter what console you use.

[@TheBlueTyphoon17]

Despite the technical issues coming from being ported to Switch, these versions still end up performing the best sales-wise out of all the console versions. It’s been clear ever since the series went third party in 2001, that a large portion of Sonic’s core audience are Nintendo console owners, which is why Sega is gonna keep making Sonic games for the Switch onwards.

[@pablocasas5906]

Yeah, Sonic there's plenty of proof that Sonic games sell better on Nintendo consoles, and it's kind of ironic because it's the only major SEGA franchise that gets regular releases on Nintendo consoles, it took a long while for mainline Persona games to arrive on Nintendo, and just a couple of weeks ago Yakuza: Kiwami was released on Nintendo's hybrid console, the first Yakuza game since the WiiU port of Yakuza 1+2. But when it comes to Sonic, SEGA cannot ignore Nintendo The main problem is that modern Sonic games are still developed with major consoles in mind find, I don't know if it would be better for Sonic Team to develop these games with the Switch as the base console, but then there would be people complaining that the games are limiting their scope by the Switch

[@Robowil]

Something I've been hoping to do at some point is try and document various changes the Switch port of Forces has compared to the others, since it actually has quite a few differences compared to the other versions. Some terrain meshes actually got reworked a bit (Null Space and Classic Chemical Plant are some examples), setdata on various stages have actually been adjusted, there's a few minor bugfixes not present on the other platforms, etc. Side note: I actually happen to have all the Sonic games released for Switch thus far and I don't really mind the lower asset quality/framerate since I still manage to have fun with the games overall.

[@BrochachoTheBro]

Sonic Mania is actually less blurry on Switch than on most other platforms, since the display scales evenly up to the tablet's 720p screen, as opposed to the uneven 1080p of other consoles which induces slight blur even with the filter set to none. This can be remedied by playing on a 1440p or 4K display, which are both 2x and 3x 720p respectively.

[@LeopoldLitchenstein]

I have TSR on Switch and as someone who's played Transformed on Wii U (which was 30 FPS), I think it's more noticeable in TSR, maybe it's because my eyes got used to Transformed's framerate (this was before I even could notice or care about that thing) but TSR does feel choppier. Plus the game drops frames when you use the black Wisp item sometimes

[@ukraineball953]

With mania, people have got it running on the Wii, in 480p of course

[@EvelynIsWriting]

Literally just bought Sonic Superstars for the switch, then checked KZbin, and this is the first video I see. Thank god there's nothin too bad with it lol, good video

[@lancedabomb123]

It is worth noting that even though Superstars does have the target 60 fps on Switch when you start doing co-op the game tends to struggle A LOT more performance wise and it has noticeably dipped below 30 at times when playing it co-op with a friend. It might be due to more things happening at once and the camera needing to zoom out more.

[@joopvanhedel1372]

I think that when the Switch 2 is released, all future sonic games will no longer have these problems. Even if the PS6 and whatever the next Xbox is called is released, Sonic will never have as realistic graphics as most Sony and Microsoft games, so the Switch 2 will have more than enough power for Sonic forever

[@RaziOrSomething]

As long as graphics live up to PS4, I'm happy.

[@starcodieannaz]

I got Sonic Frontiers on my Switch for Christmas 2022 (since I didn't have PlayStation or Xbox yet) and honestly, the lower graphics didn't really bother me that much during my playthrough of it. I'm thinking of getting the PS4 port for the better performance, though I'm still keeping Mania and Origins installed on my Switch since they run perfectly fine in my eyes. And seeing how well Sonic Superstars handles on Switch, I might get around to playing that version as well. Switch ports are definitely inferior, but they have a bit of charm in my eyes.

[@crestofhonor2349]

The depth of field effect is not making it easier to render. Depth of Field actually can be quite expensive, the reason why the switch DoF looks the way it does is because DoF is resolution based. Often games end up having a stronger DoF when the resolution is lower and this was very present in the 7th and 8th gen consoles. My assumption for the Switch version of Colors Ultimate running at 30fps is most likely because of the engine switch and change in lighting. If the Switch ran the original Wii version of course it could run at 60fps but Ultimate changes things like lighting and other aspects Frontiers is understandable. The PS4 and Xbox One versions of Frontiers only ran at 30fps unlike the PS5 and Series S|X versions which all had a 60fps mode. The lack of foliage and lower quality textures are both on the GPU as well as RAM. The Switch has half the RAM of the PS4 and Xbox One so they had to cut down texture resolution. They also had cut the baked global illumination system they had to help reduce the size of the game as well making the game look even more flat than the home console versions too. I'm surprised the kept the screen space reflections as those are often cut from switch games to get more performance Mania looks identical to my eyes playing both the PC and Switch version. Superstars is a very light game to run even on PC. Honestly I'm surprised the PS5 and Series S|X don't have a 120fps mode. The ROG Ally can easily hit 120fps as well as the Deck OLED being able to do a full 90fps. Not surprised at all that the switch game runs at 60fps

[@Snoc_-hf3lb]

As someone who has every sonic switch port, yeah they’re pretty inconsistent. As long as you’re not playing a 3D Sonic game you should be fine. Although Forces and frontiers are still playable, I would NOT recommend colors ultimate as it’s not possible to 100% the game because when loading up rival rush the game will always crash

[@TH-rx1kt]

Considering how underpowered the switch is compared to the ps5 & series x, it somehow keeps up in frontiers

[@gamemaster2819]

So, a lesser known thing, (and note I dont get my Sonic games on other consoles so maybe it applies to them) is at least on Nintendo Switch, Sonic games don't use the Home button the way most games. Most games will stop everything when you press it, but Sonic games (and some others) don't do that. Instead, they'll just use the in-game pause function when available (which is a good bandaid solution). A good way to notice, go to the home menu at a main menu, and when you press Home again, and the music doesn't resume. You're at a later part of music. I have no idea why they do this. Other Sega games like the Persona series use it properly

[@jesusochoa5350]

I actually thought Sonic Frontiers on Switch looked decent.

[@sunnyezemba7021]

Honestly same, but then I played the Xbox version, and the rest is history

[@John_Smith5]

Playing other platform versions is a night and day difference compared to the switch

[@MojtabaM]

I played Frontiers on PC first. The Switch is rough in comparison but is still really fun. Frontiers and now Generations (especially Shadow Generations) do run at 30fps but a really smooth 30fps if you get me.

[@triledink]

I have never had any problems with playing sonic games on switch. Playing alot of the older games on console kinda made me just get used to it. Like I replayed Gears of war 1 on xbox 360 and that game is like 25 fps, hell I even played Max payne 1 on ps2 and that game has unlocked frames, but it could go from 10 fps or 60 at will. Playing stuff like Frontiers, team sonic racing, colors or even forces on switch is okay to me, even though playing it on other consoles and/or pc will have it at 60 with increased graphics. Im just glad that the games is on switch even though they're technically worse performing, but that has to be expected because the switch isn't as powerful as the other options.

[@colinjackson-xn9ro]

Honestly I get all Sonic games on switch not because of frame rate but because I want to play them on the go. Definitely getting the switch version of Sonic X shadows generations for switch on Christmas.

[@ayobamiodetoyinbo7418]

Suprisingly sonic colors ultimate now is almost glitchless now (except switch)

[@dominikabdollahi8292]

I have the sonic games on my Xbox series x and switch. I don't care if the Resolution is bad on the switch and Play at 30 fps. With the switch port i can play anywhere and that's a huge plus the Switch

[@jaycup1487]

My only real issue with the superstars switch port is the multiplayer is LAGGY

[@hgmd3284]

ive been starting to see a wave of resentment and hate for the switch ever since the series x and PS5 came out and standards continued to rise. it hurts to see honestly as i personally do not care about 4K 120FPS. ill take 720p 30 if i need to. but hey, you cannot stop rising standards. also, should i get sonic origins? i saw it physically for switch, and im on the fence ever since that huge wave of backlash hit at launch.

[@Bender37_07]

Sonic Generations will probably look like the ps3/360 Version.

[@That1One-Guy]

8:13 HOW?????? EVERYTHING LOOKS SO BAD IT GENUINELY MADE ME HATE THIS GAME MORE THAT I ALREADY DO

[@CoffeePotGames]

OKAY

[@briskdarthmaul]

Golden rule with multiplatform games is that you only buy Switch ports if all you own is a Switch. If you own a PlayStation, Xbox or PC then you are better off buying multiplatform games on those instead. No amount of portability is worth having worst frame rates, load times and graphics.

[@oscarzxn4067]

I was surprised at how harsh you were are the 30fps on TSR. Did you also not like Crash Team Racing (if you played it?) that game was 30fps on all platforms and everyone loved it.

[@williamsanborn9195]

Here’s my take as someone who’s a Sonic fan that only owns a Switch: Honestly, it doesn’t really bother me that much. Yes, part of it is because I don’t have anything to compare it to, but that’s beside the point. At a certain point, it becomes a question of “Do I wanna play it or not,” and obviously the answer is yes. Before you ask (and go ahead and make fun of me, I don’t care), I have a Mac as my main computer.

[@lucariotrainer16]

So, with Forces and I think all the other games, they have it so the control input is 60hz rather than 30, so even though the games framerate is 30, the controls are still running as if it was 60

[@SFproductions1]

Is that good or bad?

[@leothehuman_9476]

@@SFproductions1 good, even if the game looks 30fps, the inputs are like when it's at 60fps. So you don't have a big input delay while the switch doesn't have to be stressed much.

[@dennis07reyes]

If I remember correctly, Sonic Mania was developed with Sega Saturn restrictions in mind, meaning that in theory it could be made ported to run on the Saturn. If the Switch didn’t run it the same as the other consoles (aside from the graphical fidelity), that would be criminal lol

[@Shrock568]

The Switch being portable should justify how much or little of a downgrade compared to the dedicated console versions. Sonic Frontiers, in my opinion, is the only Sonic game where the downgrades are so severe, that it’s not worth it being portable. Get it on anything else if you can.

[@leothehuman_9476]

It doesn't justify it being portable, modern phones or PC handhelds like the steam deck are far more powerful than a switch, in fact they emulate it at even higher resolutions. The switch should have recieved a hardware upgrade because it is literally a 2017 tablet.

[@jerryalexis576]

Sonic Forces on Switch, though downgraded, is still surprisingly good looking on its own. You would need to compare it side by side to notice the difference except for framerates.

[@andreaferrito]

So, let me understand, you guys prefer to have worse graphics with 60 fps rather than less worse graphics and 30 fps? I mean… i can’t even see the difference between 30 and 60 fps… 😅 Oh, btw, amazing video i smashed that like button

[@ILikeChaosSonic]

As someone who's played sonic games exclusively on switch since I've started playing sonic games it feels really weird to know that there's differences compared to regular consoles

[@raydarknosmanipuloZ]

To have performance on Switch, you need to develop specifically for it or make a REALLY dedicated port, which would take more time than most companies will find worth it

[@Gio-M-L]

No way that Superstars is the best Switch port! The stage's backgrounds are in the lowest quality possible (particularly Lagoon City) and the drops to 30 FPS with the super forms! The true final boss in the Switch port is almost impossible!

[@TheSultan1470]

Nice gameplay of Shadow Generations!

[@RefreshingMirage]

I don’t know how I put up with the Sonic Switch ports years ago, thank God I got a Series S in 2021 and a Steam Deck last December so I can avoid Frontiers being locked at 30 Also you forgot the SEGA AGES Sonic 1 and 2 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

[@M64bros]

Interesting breakdown of the switch port Sonic games SF Productions!

[@vittosphonecollection57289]

Am I the only one who likes how Frontiers looks on Switch? I mean the lighting is even better than Forces, the reflections are really good and so are the colors. Plus Cyberspace looks almost identical to their new gen counterpart. I mean it's gonna look a lot better on an actual TV. Plus did you know that the Switch version of Forces has some effects exclusive to the Switch in dock mode? If you cross the bridge in Ghost Town in dock mode, it will have sunrays. No other version of Forces does that, not even new gen versions. Same with Space Port. On the part before the train QTE, the background has a blurry effect. And it's not a graphic cut, because if it was, it would be on handheld mode aswell. Plus some stages' graphical design changed in order to fit the hardware. For example Null Space replacing glass with metallic surfaces and the big circle of glass on the other versions is a cool green laser ring on the Switch. And this one's on handheld aswell.

[@vittosphonecollection57289]

Plus yeah, maybe they look worse than other consoles, but they look good on their own IMO. They're not supposed to be costantly compared anyways and they still look like themselves...

[@Shrock568]

Wow! I didn’t know about that. Thank you!

[@dcon.exe8849]

The difference between Forces and Frontiers: Forces was built for Switch first and upscaled for other platforms. Frontiers was brought to Switch to maximize profit

[@GameNerd2077]

I own the colors port and I’ve had this glitch where if I try enter the customization menu thing it crashes my game, and it’s the whole menu too when you check everything there, the screen goes completely black while loading and then it just straight up crashes

[@wheatbread2944]

i like the switch versions more cuz theyre portable and idc about all that framerate stuff im just having fun :) honestly i cant tell a difference between the ps5 and switchs graphics

[@Shrock568]

Good! Than don’t start looking. You won’t be able to unsee it.

[@leothehuman_9476]

Good for you! I personally can see a big difference and I find the switch to be useless compared to a steam deck. Yeah the switch lite can go as low as 100€ while the steam deck is 400€, but the bigger price is more than justified.

[@Reach_7]

this isn't a video... this is THE video...

[@fantasy7506]

Tbh I really enjoyed frontiers on switch, I even 100% completed it I just don't care about graphics and frame rate...as long as it's 30 fps I'm good That said I'm having my doubts on Sonic colors ultimate...maybe I'll try to emulate it? Idk

[@baxodlade]

Me who plays sonic games with 30 FPS: 🤷‍♂️ Me when I have 40 FPS in Minecraft 😡😡🤬🤬

[@srge123]

7:10 2nd and 3rd island look MUCH better

[@Keeby219]

I do think this video is good but can I just say I never knew understood the insult for games looking like PS2 games. In this day and age that sounds itd be awesome! I'm honestly tired of realism in video games and for a cartoony game like Sonic I frankly think he doesn't need it, though not to discredit how frontiers looks I think it looks good! Also something ppl never mention is its not just the switch version of frontiers thats capped to 30 apprently the PS4 and Xbox One versions also are. Only the PC and Next Gen versions run at 60

[@arturothehedgehog11]

weren't the glitches in the Switch version of Colors Ultimate made with modifications via emulators? Frontiers also had similar glitches on Yuzu on the days close to release (Specially for people playing the leaked rom before release)

[@Bean_Lava]

AND I bought Frontiers on my Switch and SuperStars on my Playstation! 😭

[@CDubya.82]

Mention the FPS and resolution whilst saying "with that being said"....Job done.

[@evandoubenmier7914]

You actually made me feel better about the Generations Switch port. I’m stuck with Switch, and I was (and still kind of am) very nervous. They do seem to be spending a lot of time optimizing the game, which makes me happy. As for Frontiers, I played it on Switch and loved it, so if the Generations port and Shadow campaign run as well as Frontiers, I don’t think I’ll really care.

[@lowqualityvideos8091]

the shadow part is probably gonna be similar fidelity to sonic forces sonic generations should run pretty well though, sonic team is working on this and not blind squirrel that couldn't get 60 fps on colors 😂 i still wouldn't get too confident about 60fps with generations, 900p/1080p docked @30 is probably what we're gonna get

[@evandoubenmier7914]

@@lowqualityvideos8091 I think that sounds like a reasonable expectation. Thank GOD they aren’t using the Blind Squirrel Engine again 🤣

[@crestofhonor2349]

@@evandoubenmier7914 The "Blind Squirrel Engine" is just the Hedgehog engine, the same engine Sonic Team has been using since Unleashed

[@evandoubenmier7914]

​@@crestofhonor2349 Aren't they two different engines? Sonic Team built the Hedgehog Engine and Blind Squirrel Games built the Blind Squirrel Engine? Or did you mean they are mechanically the same?

[@crestofhonor2349]

@@evandoubenmier7914 Colors ultimate uses the Hedgehog Engine and the Godot Engine. Also Colors Ultimate runs extremely well on PC

[@brickzoneanimations8395]

I love the Switch Port of Frontiers sure Forces May have the best graphics and animations but Frontiers has better gameplay and at the end of the day what really matters is the gameplay its like SA1 where the graphics and animations did not age well the gameplay has and considering that the switch is stronger than PS3 and Xbox 360 I have high hopes for Shadow Generations coming to the switch!

[@aravbharadia]

1000 views in 35 minutes bro fell off 🥀 (JK lol ur videos are great. i love watching your sonic content. Keep it up!)

[@SFproductions1]

Thanks! 😁