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@EchoKraft3 ай бұрын
Hi I was wondering if your ever going to have Ty or Dave Spears on again.
@sonicstate3 ай бұрын
Hopefully yes!
@empirixАй бұрын
and Robbie
@Psychlist19723 ай бұрын
I also don't think the vast majority of people are interested in the human connection part of music. Vocaloids are a huge deal. Production pop music and assembled pop bands are still a big thing. The ones looking for human connection and who value the musicianship are not the majority by any stretch. It'll become like furniture. The vast vast majority of people will buy stuff from Ikea and Amazon, and only a handful will ask for the custom-made dining room table made by a real woodworker.
@sonicstate3 ай бұрын
But pop that conveys or captures emotion or states of mind well does resonate with the audience. What's odd to me is that pop production has a tendency to be more clean, perfect and synthetic generally
@Psychlist19723 ай бұрын
@@sonicstate Much of it does for sure. But I still think we're both underestimating what will come out from generative AI, and overestimating the general population's desire for a real human to be making the music. Maybe I'm wrong. Some of my favorite bands are one person, and then anonymous musicians (Ghost, for example). In the future, it may be that one person's vision, and AI handling all the rest. Still human from his aspect, but 4-5 musicians no longer involved at all.
@apostrotastrophe13 ай бұрын
Maybe you could ask all the panelists for their favorite 808 tracks to compile as a big Spotify playlist! Just for a bit of fun :)
@Heathcliff_hensel3 ай бұрын
JJ Fad "Supersonic"
@kentxx123 ай бұрын
Steve Hiller At 29.43 Is Kult :)
@pauly29293 ай бұрын
The AI conversation was a good one and music made by humans should always win out… however I believe most of the music played via Spotify playlists are made up by in house AI musicians with most of the income staying in house!
@nagchumpalot3 ай бұрын
If not now in the future yes for sure..
@hasko_not_the_pirate3 ай бұрын
Generative AI is best with everything that can be described with words. What if words fail to describe the essence of music?
@AndyVonal3 ай бұрын
"I've got a fan under the table keeping me cool... where it matters!!" - Show title "fan under the table"
@ohmgroan23633 ай бұрын
Is her name Monica?
@nagchumpalot3 ай бұрын
@@ohmgroan2363 😂
@sonicstate2 ай бұрын
You have à dirty mind.
@jonj-lab46333 ай бұрын
Missed the stream, re. the Great Pyramid - it wasn't a burial chamber. Killing Joke recorded some of the vocals for their Pandemonium album in there 31 years ago. The session was arranged by Youth (there's your Blue Pearl Link), who was back in the band at that point. The story of the session is legendary - it's in the Killing Joke documentary.
@sonicstate3 ай бұрын
I did not know that..
@paulwhittaker54943 ай бұрын
Disagree regards to Autism an A.I... ( Though haven't read the acticle.. ) ~ Through my personal experience & struggle with ASD & mental health... ~ I hope A.I. can be implemented as a learning & assistance aid... ~ ( Hence hopefully opening up new pathways to create art for people with learning & body disabilities... ) ~ I do agree however that a lot of work from home online jobs maybe effected if companies choose to use A.I... as money saving tool...
@magicalsynthadventure32163 ай бұрын
Is using generative AI tools actually “creating”? Or does it merely offer the shallowest victory to the user? Is it not ableist to suggest that learning & body disabled people cannot learn incredible skills under their own steam, without artificial help, and overcome their limitations? I’m genuinely asking these questions so that our community can grapple with them.
@paulwhittaker54943 ай бұрын
@@magicalsynthadventure3216 That's a fair comment that maybe true for some... But I would say yes it is a form of creating & add that A.I as a teaching + creative tool can potentially help inspire new styles of music or ways of working with sound... Both for able bodied users already adept with music or people with severe social or other learning difficulties who may have been put off due to that steep learning curve etc... ( Maybe viewing it from a generational tech leap forward might help?... ) ~ There was a time when sampling was frowned upon by established musicians, with some also labeling it as cheating... ( Yet it spawned the birth of various EDM genres that have thrived over a relatively short time period... ) Personally I would love an app or piece of A.I. music software that could be incorporated into Ableton or DAW of choice that allowed you to analyze your favorite music & break it down in to stems each with its own mix channel FX suggested by the A.I... ~ ( Or the ability for the A.I. to automatically set the mix compression & E.Q. etc on a channel based on the musical style or track your inspired by... ) I agree it shouldn't be used as an easy hack for club ready tracks but more a tool for inspiration & learning...
@TomM-p3o3 ай бұрын
Working from home (for traditional office/tech work) is basically asking to be fired first. If your manager isn't used to you being around, you will go first.
@Ratskank3 ай бұрын
I know someone who is autistic and creating AI programs to create things that so far nobody else has made that would be affordable to the average person, It will enable many people (if it gains traction without people hating on it because of the bollox around AI not being creative) to be creative in a way that they couldn’t afford or do without that kinda programming. The tech is changing, not everyone has to get onboard granted. But drum machines never made drummers obsolete, the TB303 didn’t make bassist’s obsolete, In fact without those things we wouldn’t be making the music we do, but those fears were there. Open your mind and accept that this IS already opening art to many people who couldn’t access it before. Also MASSIVELY important is that not all AI copies other peoples work, in fact hardly any that deserves the title of AI does. For instance, Unless you sat in a room by yourself without any musical stimulation ever and then created music you can’t say that you haven’t been inspired by something, AI works on a similar principle, it is fed things that it knows is by a,b,z it then generates by its’s input (usually) even if it *self* creates based upon it’s own input, it isn’t far away from how most people create.
@magicalsynthadventure32163 ай бұрын
@@RatskankI don’t think anyone has actually responded to the point I was making. The spectacle of gifted autistic savantism is *the only thing that we have* to connect with other people (until our 40’s where we’ve finally got the social skills down) and if everyone has easy access to that kind of power, diminishing the wow factor of our skills, then we’ll have nothing. That’s my only point 😊
@eubique3 ай бұрын
At least Paul Horn used a Nagra when he recorded Inside The Great Pyramid. Probably.
@davygranules3 ай бұрын
Singing in a pyramid that's killing joke pandemonium stuff
@digital_crickets3 ай бұрын
It was Pharaoh Menses, thus the red granite... (I'll see myself out)
@Dogboy733 ай бұрын
Paulee's guy with the cardboard box modular case story - That sounds suspiciously like MylarMelodies He made a cardboard eurorack case and it definitely had an Atlantis in it. You can find the video on his KZbin channel where he shows how to build the cardboard case. It was posted 9 years ago.
@sonicstate3 ай бұрын
It does!
@Psychlist19723 ай бұрын
The code "write me something to do this" *is* generative, and does impact software developers in ways similar to how generative art impacts artists.
@sonicstate3 ай бұрын
Only if the person asking has no idea what they are doing. I use it when I just want the simple solution or function and the time it would take for me to research, test and write it would be a faff. I wouldnt hire a coder for mst things anyhow and I would never use it to create anything more complex
@Psychlist19723 ай бұрын
@@sonicstate Yeah. In that way, it's more like the production music that AI is most likely to take away (corporate presentation music, etc.). It still eats into the industry, but into the low-hanging fruit.
@markhammer6433 ай бұрын
I think that one of the reasons why governments keep "old tech" alive is because security of government systems is an absolute top priority. Folks in government I.T. have to have ironclad assurances that there are no weak links in whatever firewalls they create. You don't want some curious 17 year-old to go poking about your taxes, government pension, or welfare payments. So there is a preference for processors and languages that people know VERY well.
@sonicstate3 ай бұрын
Very true!
@taosophymusic3 ай бұрын
17:07 A.I. doesn't stand a CHANCE of taking away my enjoyment and satisfaction of playing instruments and completing a track and releasing it for no one to hear😁. and I'm only half joking hear. My tracks are my creative DNA that no amount of technology can sway me from the satisfaction of. no amount of streams or cash intake can make me enjoy them any more than I already do. I would be surprised at all if A.I. where music creation is concerned is the 3D, Interactive TV or NFTs. We get all hyped and excited for new tech and bow down to it before we even realize whether or not it has staying power.
@Dogboy733 ай бұрын
Love Paulee's point about the semi-modular way in to Eurorack. I went down the Eurorack rabbit hole a bit and after not really ending up in the right place I'm taking a step back and looking at a semi-modular voice as the new center point of my Eurorack set-up. I bought a Moog Mavis, which is great. But I pulled the trigger on the Atlantix almost immediately after I saw it. Anyone want to buy a Moog Mavis?! :D
@sonicstate3 ай бұрын
yeah there is a good case for a decent synth voice module at the heart of a system
@TomM-p3o3 ай бұрын
Stop freaking out about AI, use it as a tool. The biggest threat to your career is not moden AI but rather traditional, biological AI, and there are billions of them. So nothing has changed.
@arfcorps3 ай бұрын
If you were ever on a TOTP hosted by Jimmy Saville you’ve got no chance of a re-run.
@sonicstate3 ай бұрын
It was later than that fortunately
@eubique3 ай бұрын
Flashbacks, maybe
@brandonSpivey-vx4eu3 ай бұрын
Elephant in the room.....
@brianbyrne88003 ай бұрын
Provision of the Sonic TALK 806 on KZbin is much appreciated.
@leslie15263 ай бұрын
Well, Apple is in the centre and new iPhones and iPads pro utilising the latest pro tech -no need for Zoom
@MikkelGrumBovin3 ай бұрын
New , generative music is NOT exiting , and in one or two years from now - NOBODY can hear ANY difference from AI to human music - and shame on all who , in any shape or form - endorses AI - you just dug your own grave !
@leslie15263 ай бұрын
yet another euro rack analogue module.... Next...
@nagchumpalot3 ай бұрын
So Paulie is upset he won't feel special anymore because of AI? I get it.. but I think we might all feel that way😅😂
@magicalsynthadventure32163 ай бұрын
Allistic (ie non-Autistic) people live with a high degree of privilege, so won’t be as adversely affected by the reduction of opportunity.
@nagchumpalot3 ай бұрын
@@magicalsynthadventure3216 Just living in the west we live with a high degree of privilege.. .. let’s not separate humans will all be affected.. it’s already affecting my line of work! So we’re all on edge.. dispute my comments I really enjoy your music style and great work with the Waldorf M! Hopefully my next synth.. cheers.
@Heathcliff_hensel3 ай бұрын
Behringer MS-1 is the way to go if you want a 101 . only $200.
@super-frogsavestokyo15823 ай бұрын
And let us not forget the diminutive but excellent Roland S-1, which is an absolutely superb recreation with a whole host of features we never knew we needed!! :)
@TomM-p3o3 ай бұрын
The AI artist need, indeed all music consumers, is the one that will scan databases of music/other art and return art that a person wants/wants to hear, and nothing that they don't want to hear. Based on mainly qualitative factors.
@sonicstate3 ай бұрын
Thats pretty much what Spotify do already? But I personally dont use it, as they dont pay the artists properly
@TomM-p3o3 ай бұрын
@@sonicstate That has been the problem all along - the gatekeepers. They distribute what they want to distribute and at their price. I'm believe there is a solution to bypass them all, it just hasn't been discovered yet.
@AaronFoltz3 ай бұрын
AI Analog Synthesis. Is this a thing yet?
@sonicstate3 ай бұрын
I'm not sure, I expect you could ask GPT to suggest patch ideas?
@Radar233 ай бұрын
Can AI help me patch my eurorack?
@sonicstate3 ай бұрын
Probably can actually give you some ideas to try I expect
@christoroppolo87422 ай бұрын
It’s more like a resentment of ridiculous ideas.
@KordTaylor3 ай бұрын
Love you guys and Paulie had a very good point about AI. We have mostly been discussing losing jobs, not the possibility of depression. 😮
@leslie15263 ай бұрын
If anything, AI could help autistic people
@ProfessorSynth3 ай бұрын
Isn’t everyone neurodiverse?
@magicalsynthadventure32163 ай бұрын
In my experience, no 😊
@olivergroves20073 ай бұрын
@@magicalsynthadventure3216 we are all on the autism spectrum, I am an aspie and proud of it. Great comments on AI today
@eubique3 ай бұрын
A population is neurodiverse, individuals are neurodiverGENT when their neurology diverges in certain ways from norms in a population. At least that's the concept. If you accept that autism is a thing then no, not everyone is on the spectrum. Are you divergent, friend?
@Ratskank3 ай бұрын
@@eubiqueit’s a spectrum because everyone is supposed to be on it. It’s all inclusive (which is a hard concept, agreed) but as someone who has always been on the outside of the “norm” but would not be considered autistic, it’s a bloody minefield to fit in a category, hence everyone can be divergent to everyone else
@hujuu3 ай бұрын
"Neurodiversity" is a made-up word. It's The Emperor's New Clothes. It's one in a range of similar tools that are used to subvert stable societies for nefarious purposes. Whole countries end up being held hostage by a bunch of fucking weirdos. Once those weirdos have served their purpose, you can guarantee they will be cast aside, leaving a population of gibbering, gullible idiots who have lost the ability to think for themselves and are terrified of upsetting the accepted order. RIP SonicState.