Sonic vs Surge (Sonic The Hedgehog IDW Issue 56 Comic Dub)

[@jo-se3659]

"freedom is right there!" This line hits so hard considering how much sonic as a franchise focuses on freedom. STELLAR VOICE ACTING keep up the good work

[@bintasenghore3321]

So true

[@binglybingly]

FR my goat is as free as the wind 🔥🔥🔥

[@MegaGeek-gr6ts]

Make no mistakes, Sonic died for a split second. His heart stopped even if only for a moment.

[@KarmasReverb]

"I can't." THAT LINE RIGHT THEN AND THERE MADE ME CRY.

[@wearegogeta9974]

Not gonna lie, IDW gets how to tell a story. It’s darker than it appears and continues to deliver good storytelling with high amounts of emotion and character.

[@Moonlight-qo5hw]

Her arrogance is the reason why Surge failed many times to kill Sonic. I mean she isn’t dumb, she just overthinks about Sonic way off like she wants to kill him now and not later.

[@mythicmarbles]

Oh my GOD, y'all's voices are so good and professional, the screaming and the yells, even the emphasis on words. Please do more, this is my favorite dubbing channel of all time

[@bintasenghore3321]

Same

[@ghostavinci104]

0:50 Surge's voice is amazing!!!!! Those dialogue are just pure peak!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@ultima1033]

1:13 That is my exact expression right now. The SFX, The voice acting...I'm just...breathless. Found you through Nezu's Bad Guys video. Needless to say, I am impressed 😎

[@kaizo4217]

That part was kinda scary, for a couple seconds there, sonic was DEAD.

[@Thatbirdguy_]

My goodness… this was amazing, it was so emotional and soothing. Everything was perfect from the voices to the visual effects. You and your team really outdone yourself, Corey!

[@anthonyrodriguez8788]

Jesus Christ that Surge acting was phenomenal, all of my props to Cycoriot, same applies to PARANOiDDJ1 for the the sound design and Correy Wilder for the visual editing, even though I read the comic it still felt like Sonic was going to die. heres hoping Surge will find the peace she's looking for, preferably without killing Sonic.

[@grimmd4ys]

The emotion put into these voices, the pure anguish in these deliveries. That was amazing!

[@LooniGamer]

There is no way Sonic did not just "die" here. This was one of the few times Sonic was ever-so-close to dying. If the Dynamo Cage didn't break at the right time, Sonic would have gotten' another death under his belt.

[@TealClover-qk6lf]

Oooh man, this is Surge's official voice for me. It's Soo good!! Man, this scene wrecks me...

[@brody_gg5342]

If sonic got serious and wasn’t trying to help her, He would absolutely destroy Surge

[@supersonictrickster4239]

I agree, up until he fell to the water. There was no way he could win other than what he did

[@playerback7722]

Yep

[@darkmatter1721]

Depends, are they still in the water, cause surge easy claps there

[@elisabethsun7059]

Agreed

[@Trashmantrash]

Yeah, Sonic not holding back is scary. Because the only reason many of the villains are still alive is because he holds back.

[@londonjackson8986]

Genuinely one of the Best & Most Tragic Moments in the Entire Series, and I'm including Archie (both Pre & Post Reboot), Fleetway, Prime & Movie 2. Like, imagine being forced both physically & MENTALLY into a role (in this case, the Hero's rival) you DIDN'T ask for. And even after the person that put you in that role is dead & gone, he messed with your mind so much to the point that you can't even mentally escape both him or even your role he placed you in for potentially the rest of your life.

[@BrakSplash]

Bit of a long post. I apologize ahead of time: To be fair, we don't know if Surge was forced into this like Monkey Kong in Archie Sonic or if she willingly wanted this for herself. That's why she is so mad. She didn't care that she was killed off/tortured time again in Starline's experiments(she didn't bat an eye when she saw the video clips) She just freaked out when she realized she had no idea who she was. So she feels she is forced to be Sonic's shadow, that's it. She reasoned either no one was looking for her, so the planet could burn. Or she was already a bad guy volunteering for this, so the planet can burn anyway.

[@commit2mission]

Good Lord, this is some of the best voice acting I've seen in a while. Surge's last lines genuinely shook me. And the "...I can't" line. ❄️❄️❄️

[@PedroShadow2011]

Holy cow I'm 1 month later, but the voice acting is so FITTING AND SO GOOD. This video is just PHENOMENAL

[@ayyyimmaninja]

Damn this came out extremely well, the moment felt so dire. Awesome job, you guys! and don't hurt your back, Corey XD

[@rakiahbaker5589]

🤩🤩

[@LeandroCartoon]

The fact that sonic just died for a second is so....cool....creepy....I DONT EVEN KNOW IT'S JUST WOW MAN ITS ADRENALINE!!!!! And another thing: I just LOVE the impostor syndrome saga (it's how i call) surge and kit are so well written, i want see them in games now that IDW is cannon I want see them getting through this trauma 😢

[@goldenlightning8842]

Cannot believe after such a pivotal and heartfelt moment with a character breaking down their struggle with self identity feeling as tho their very existence is useless because they were rejected by society and made in the image of someone they are meant to hate only to be patronized by that very person who labels it as "saving them" The only damn thing everyone in this fanbase pulls from this is "YeAh bUt uUUuUh...SuRGe WoUlD tOTAlly lOsE tO soNiC tHo SOooOO" And its depressing Seriously, why do you guys even consume media as a whole if you're gonna think like that just save everyone the effort including yourself and just skip all the story and build up and just watch compilations of the fight scenes for whatever piece of media you're interested in thats posted onto KZbin God! media literacy is dead and buried. everyone at this point thinks like fuckin cinemasins and its putrid Surge won over sonic not because "the writers are just bias for her hurr durr!" she won because this is HER STORY and because it lays out truthfully and fully what her struggle and pain is like both mentally and physically That fact that people can see this scene and only think of "who beats who" is beyond fuckin sad

[@anthonyrodriguez8788]

Finally! Someone gets it! The Sonic vs debate community is genuinely awful because everything to them is an excuse to vs debate and compare power levels, and then inevitably whine whenever Sonic loses a fight. Surge has been getting shafted by vs debaters like this since her very first appearance long before she met Sonic, people constantly ignoring every last detail of her characterization in favor of seeing how strong she is compared to Sonic or Metal Sonic, and the constant mockery at the very idea that she might actually stand a chance. Don't get me wrong I love to vs debate to, but there is a time and a place and a comic dub where a character is pouring out their heart and soul about the tragedy of their life is not the place to complain about your favorite characters losing.

[@goldenlightning8842]

​@@anthonyrodriguez8788AMEN BRO SERIOUSLY Surge is such an unbelievably interesting and well written character and her mental conundrum is one of the most defining aspects of her character, it's absolutely amazing I used to also be a fan of the while Vs debate crowd when I was younger before I realized....a character winning in a scenario is based on waaaaay to many outside and outlying attributes that the entire concept of going back and forth on who wins what is fucking dumb Definitely when the story being told is so much more interesting than the result of the fight Which character wins is entirely dependent on the story being told and the writer who is writing the story Surge is living proof tho that no matter how well written a character may be or how sorrowful and deep a story can be. All most fans see is just another colorful pawn to add to their power scaling debate army. Surge gets so much hate already for just being GREEN LIKE SCOURGE and now she has to fight off ppl who hate her for simply BEING STRONG AND WINNING it's ridiculous and it's why I try as hard as I can to separate myself from the sonic community

[@NoeticSystem]

No, you're not alone. What Surge and Kit suffered at Starline's hands was horrific. The reason why Sonic is holding back is because he recognizes that, is deeply moved by it, and is trying to talk them down. If Surge was just another two-bit villain, he would be putting out a lot more effort to clobber her, and he wouldn't have had his ass beat so easily, but he didn't. That speaks to Sonic's noble character, in that he recognizes that they're brainwashing victims and is trying to help them. For Surge's part, whoever she was before Starline turned her into this is gone, and she's rightfully angry about it, and is seeking relief the only way she knows how, even if a part of her clearly fears that killing Sonic won't make her whole. It's a very complex situation, and my first thought when I see this is not, "Aww, man, Sonic got beat up by a girl, that sucks", my first thought is something more along the lines of, "Damn, is Surge ever going to recover from her brainwashing? Will she ever be alright?"

[@kirbymania5533]

0:53 hits different

[@YoshiTails13]

That was deep, Great job Corey!

[@brianohanlon3528]

Whoever voiced Surge did a spectacular job!

[@skepbeans]

This popped up in my recommendations and god this is what imagined everything sounded like, especially surge’s voices!! You all did so good!!

[@des_234]

Damn. The voice acting is GOATED fr man

[@TechnoCinemaMusic]

Hot damn! Absolutely stunning work by all!

[@Nedum05]

Man, this voice acting is top tier

[@SilentDProductions]

Is there anything to describe a level beyond phenomenal??? Maybe astronomical? Anyways, everyone of yall hit this dubbing out of the park! The emotions, sound design... all on point

[@bintasenghore3321]

This is just the best idw dub

[@miwhitty8316]

Jeezy heckin creezy this is incredible 😱💙

[@bapho-p]

This was FANTASTIC OML

[@HaleyRadiant]

Ooooooo that magical editing here!! SUCH AMAZING QUALITYYYY!! & you guys sound so fantastic here as well!! So freaking incredible you guys!! 👏👏👏👏👏

[@Boosky-Barry]

dude, give yourself a pat on the back. this is one of the greatest comic dubs ive seen. the music, the voice acting, the noises depicting whats happeing in the panel, for gosh sakes event the extra parts like Sonic and Surge's grunts, and that Sonic yell!

[@lizzybunny5436]

Oh my goodness, 😮this comic dub is so amazing, the voice acting, music and timing woah, this makes the comic more emotional. I am very impressed, great job, you and your team, I can definitely see all the effort and work, place in this. It’s outstanding 👍 So glad I came across this video.

[@Sonkkkdonk]

Literally the best feeling is you dubbing official sonic IDW comics.. makes it feel so real 😭😭🙏🏼

[@CoreyWilder]

😭😭😭 This comment means a lot! Thank you so much

[@niftyneffy]

Bravo as always, Corey! And that Surge voice is certainly spectacular! You certainly do have the voice for this blue blur. Props to Cori as well. I've already made a joke about ParanoidDJ's editing being out of this world, (His World) but it still is!

[@sarahlahham2253]

The voice acting is mind blowing

[@meepypengu]

I just stumbled across this video and holy crap this voice acting is amazing

[@jospehpenn3033]

LOVE THE VOICE FOR SURGE

[@داركماتر-ت1ط]

It's 100%100 Perfect the voice Was great amazing ❤️☺️

[@extrememiketube280]

That is awesome can’t wait to see the rest of it

[@LaceyTonge]

1:43 me when i step on a lego

[@actionman9451]

"You might know everything I'm going to do but that's not gonna help you because I know everything YOU'RE going to do! STRANGE, ISN'T IT?"

[@eggynuts7735]

Wgat the hell are you talkij biut

[@combatmaster]

Epic dubbing! The sound effects, the timing, everything is perfect! I hope your neighbors know that you're okay after all of that screaming, though. 😅

[@sssilentsolace]

man this is good

[@PlasmaØ9-cj]

I really love IDW Sonic.He’s like a more mature ver of the games ver of Sonic. He’s always trying to let people redeem or always make everything perfect. But can eventually get serious and would have to throw hands, Although I think Sonic was in the right direction trying to get a person back into they’re former glory so they can be the person they used to be again

[@siller8653]

Great work!

[@RogueRail]

Surge’s hatred towards Sonic reminds me of Rage and Scream’s towards Trigger in Ace Combat Skies Unknown

[@gearthehuman2115]

I wonder if the modifications Starline put on Surge and Kit can be reversed like how the heroes reversed Eggman's Roboticization.

[@TheAutoman217]

Dang, nicely done, gang! 1:18 Tho that cough take sounded really real and hit too close to home; you didn't choke on water for that take, did you, Corey?

[@pikaqte5418]

Whats the music here, its so flipping epic! Also dang this dub consumes my brain constantly-

[@Kaos_Element]

=| … This might actually be the most violent Sonic battle in any place of media ever.

[@Rathalos2428]

I say top contenders would be Mephiles not just for Sonic but mental attack on Shadow, Dark Gaia for putting Sonic through pain itself, and Merlina who gives Sonic an beatdown with literal Swords that cut reality on their own slashes.

[@anthonyrodriguez8788]

Sonic and the secret Rings has a final boss where Sonic while fueld with pain rage sadness and hatred is punch the heart of a literal god while screaming his lungs out because the god in question killed his friend. But to be honest I would agree that the fight between Sonic and Surge feels even more visceral and hate filled despite the lack of heart punching. Probably because of Sonics desperation to get through to Surge.

[@Rathalos2428]

@@anthonyrodriguez8788 I am going more by Game Sonic rather than IDW Sonic as Game Sonic is more in-line with his Japanese Interpretation who rarely lets his emotions show due to constantly living in-the-moment. Especially the actor for Jap Sonic gives the same rage as Dark Sonic who absolutely represent an unchained animal or a state of Sonic above his serious nature. The fight for me after seeing it (And knowing extensive lore on Sonic's rivals and how they all stack to one another) was one-sided in such a sad and metaphorically heart-punching way. Surge got killed 200+ times, enhanced with Power Cores just to match (Casual) Sonic who basically blitz Surge before his next battle has him hurt more by Eggman- getting an injured leg but still able to toy, blitz and put a can on Surge's head using the energy of 1-3 Wisps nearly burning out her Cybernetics. All while Sonic clearly is still standing even with worse injuries showing Sonic Endurance/Durability >> Surge's Endurance/Durability. Then the final moment does have Sonic holding back to as mention; desperately get through Surge. He is not even fighting full force and ironically falls into the water because Surge could not keep Blue Wisp Energy on long enough for Sonic to stand on. And as mention, she basically uses 7 Energy Sources being herself, Metal's Black Shield, 5 Wisps and even an water advantage to do nothing but land killing blows and Sonic is left more stunned than hurt. He even is able to willing fight Metal so that Eggman does not get Surge only for Kitsunami deciding to bring Starline's base down and Sonic still walking means he was more tired running into Eggman after Starline's Trap and his 1st battle with Surge than he was with Surge this time around.

[@anthonyrodriguez8788]

@@Rathalos2428 IDW Sonic and Game Sonic are the exact same character, the IDW Comics are canon until stated otherwise. as for the Wisps, Surge had no problem handling the power of five Wisps, Surge overloaded herself because she became a power addict and was absorbing all the energy she could, First from Starline Base Gamma where she absorbed every watt of energy she could before the based tarted relying on the emergency generators, then she absorbed Eggman's Chaos Drive, and then she absorbed all of Metal Sonics energy. I would also like to point out that Sonic only used the Final Color Blaster for less than five seconds before he stopped using it. Sonic fell because she dissipated the platform he was standing on, you see her gesturing to dissipate it, you are trying really hard to downplay Surge if you somehow got the impression that Surge dropping Sonic was an accident. Eggman has never stated that Sonic was getting slower in his fight with Surge nor was Sonic blitzing Surge before that point, Sonic got the better of Surge in their first fight because she was getting angry and sloppy which caused her to overextend her attacks.

[@TaranisHedgehog]

Surge and Kit are so ridiculously petty. They know their evil and hatred is a lie, yet they continue to embrace it. They have the ability to let it go, yet they refuse. They better reform in the future.

[@pikaqte5418]

Well part of it is that they literally, physically can't let it go. They were violated on the worst level, and yes, they don't have to hate sonic and tails, but without sonic and tails they wouldn't have been so heavily brainwashed in the first place. If anyone from their old lives cared for them, meaning they were kidnapped, no one has spoken up, and if they did it willingly... Few people would agree to have their old lives erased. It's stubborn and still a bit petty but it's not as stupid or simple as it sounds.even without that programmed hatred, none of this would have happened if Sonic hadn't existed, if people werent so hellbent on destroying him they mold other people into weapons to do it

[@doonkeythegreatsullivan9459]

You know, I almost forgot how dark sonic comics can be… and the fact that Sega itself won’t use them in games

[@landonbevell2292]

Can someone give cycoriot a oscar? I felt her anger

[@Noeggets]

That cough was so real, BUT ALSO I haven't watched the bumblekast yet but apparently It's talked about that surge makes Sonic lose a life there

[@SHADOWMYBELOVED]

Sonics screams were so well done 😨

[@Scrofar]

JFC THIS IS CRAZY CRAZY **AWESOME**

[@jay-yi9im]

When you think about it sonic really just had a near death experience

[@BeefbossZilla2011]

If you need anymore proof that Sonic is practically a demigod, This dude survived a titanic wave of electricity right to the chest.

[@Dg_Animates1]

that was chaos to say the least

[@tigerlowe5002]

Oh My GODNESS ! Holy Sheesh ! That was so intense ! Right in the feelings ! The voice acting, the music, the effects. Sonic, Tails & Surge's screams ! It's so - WOAH ! For a moment I REALLY WAS scared, she's really gonna drown & electrocute him ! Truly gut-wrenching ! The voice acting & editing is PHENOMENAL !

[@ttcgifted]

Surge exhausted herself out from letting Sonic’s words get to her. Sonic wins, no contest.

[@andrewhall6479]

There’s no fear. What she says and does is horrifying. And yet I only feel sadness…

[@Genesis_Prime]

With the Amount of rage surge has here i bet she’s using full strength. Sonic isn’t even trying and still won. Hell he didn’t even want to fight her, now if sonic was using full strength too. I’m willing to bet he’d destroy the sonic multiverse in seconds

[@anthonyrodriguez8788]

This isn't a Superman situation dude, Sonic doesn't hold back to the point where he could accidentally destroy the planet. I would also like to point out that not long before this scene Surge beat the absolute snot out of Metal Sonic while Sonic was helping him, and Metal Sonic is just as powerful as Sonic and he doesn't hold back. To be frank as soon as Metal Sonic went down the only chance Sonic had was to hold out while Surges Dynamo Cage finally overloaded.

[@Genesis_Prime]

@@anthonyrodriguez8788 obviously metal goes all out. To an extent. Metal sonic wouldn't go to the extreme amount of power where he would destroy everything because then he would end up killing eggman. His creator. The one thing metal sonic needs to protect. So obviously metal sonic would hold back to make sure his master is safe.

[@anthonyrodriguez8788]

@@Genesis_Prime no.....just no. Metal Sonic goes all out all the time, heck his Maximum V Overdrive is him literally overloading his own circuitry in order to increase his speed by a factor of 4. Sonic does not hold back that much and Metal Sonic doesn't hold back at all.

[@Genesis_Prime]

@@anthonyrodriguez8788 those were the classic days dude. Sonic characters only ever became multiversal in 06.

[@anthonyrodriguez8788]

@@Genesis_Prime 1. That's their Super forms, not their base forms 2. Sonic does NOT scale to Super Sonic 3. Metal Sonic still uses the V Maximum Overdrive, heck he used that move in the beginning of this very arc while hunting down an injured Sonic like a horror movie villain 4. Surge is already on par with Sonic physically without the Dynamo Cage, the only major difference between the two is combat experience.

[@ominicronikalvol.2580]

That sonic scream tho

[@fatalwaffle1715]

Cool video.

[@SonicPAJ]

Impressive!

[@mevrhero5851]

can you make more of surge

[@CyberQueen2004]

Man, if a person suffered that much wattage, they would’ve been fried to a crisp.

[@TheTJVERSECouncil]

This music fits SO WELL with this!! What’s it called?

[@SonicTheArchie]

Congrulations, Sonic has another trauma!

[@krisdreemurr3533]

*Imagine Surge as the next enemy in future Sonic games?*

[@thehedgebot99mph90]

this music makes this so much more impactful. is this custom made?

[@juanbisonosuero3650]

good bois efect

[@Blakelol-f3s]

Ok I instantly imagined what shadow would do in this situation💀💀

[@anthonyrodriguez8788]

I mean Shadow would probably be the worst possible matchup short of Metal Sonic. Shadow is a living battery and that contraption on her head drains power and turns it into electricity. Meaning most if not all of Shadows Chaos Powers would be completely useless making him basically just an inferior Sonic, while Surge is supercharged and a has a bunch of Wisp powers.

[@Shadowisfansss]

THE END THO-

[@johnremizeztomilloso158]

I didn't know silentdroidd can do a Sonic voice?

[@bigdogthehedgehog5906]

SURGE, YOU'RE THE ONE WHO DOESN'T GET IT!

[@unknownboi2447]

I get the identity thing once maybe Twice BUT GODDAMMIT KIT AND SURGE YOU STUBBORN TEENAGERS

[@LuigiFonzar]

at 0:51 i REALLY felt bad for Surge...

[@triplejo1022]

Crazy how he tanked that

[@joel1245]

The comic won't admit it or point out but Sonic did died. He was revitalize because he had absorbed so many Rings, he too have the same regeneration powers as Surge. That's why Sonic is so hard to kill. The only reason Sonic died on two occasions because Mephiles used antimatter to nullify this hax and Erazor inflicted him with an Arrow of Judgement which drains the victim's life force, even immortal.

[@kingcamelot1395]

You sound like you made half this stuff up.

[@joel1245]

@@kingcamelot1395 Too bad because it's obvious.

[@kingcamelot1395]

@@joel1245 How is it obvious? Prove it to me. Show me your evidence and documentation to back up your claim.

[@joel1245]

@@kingcamelot1395 Let's see: 1) Sonic had been absorbing Rings for years. Different medias depicted different outcome but all results one thing: Sonic now has internal Ring Energy that acts as a healing factor, which helps him withstand even the deadliest attack or heavy collision such as falling from great height and is completely unfazed with a brief disorient. 2) Sonic was killed 3 times canonically now. He was impaled by Mephiles and was resurrected by the Chaos Emeralds. He momentarily died then revitalize when he transformed into Darkspine Sonic (as he's a Collector and his brief death allows him to use 3 Rings at full power to defeat Erazor), and now he was killed by Surge but revitalize by his internal Ring Energy since it's not equivalent to Mephiles' antimatter attack. 3) Sonic was shown time and time again he survived fatal attacks that should've killed him. That's because his internal Ring Energy are like Extra Lives. Surge and Kit had artificial version through the modified Zombot.

[@kingcamelot1395]

@joel1245 The only thing that's wrong with your sources is that Sonic was killed by Surge and Erazor Djinn. He was not. Sonic became Darkspine after the death of his genie partner, Shara. And with Surge's case, while his rings may have been keeping him alive (the rings aren't a touched factor in IDW), he didn't die from Surge's attack. He has only died once, and that was at the hands of Mephiles.

[@GLIEPNIR]

Not too sold on Sonic's voice... But Surge sounds amazing. I guess I have some bias since there's been some voice acting for one, but not for the other owo

[@whatshappen2920]

Una loquita con 5 wisps en la mochila. Sonic y metal sonic con la percepción de la realidad completamente alterada:

[@wellactulyeric2817]

Damn, that VA just hit

[@fionali4502]

1:20-1:23 Hopefully, that cough didn’t hurt your throat and your chest.

[@sahinsonyildirim775]

Hey! My voice?!

[@GPJ1015]

So I guess we call this fight…a draw

[@FOWBOWZ]

Holy shit, this got real

[@Raver560]

The end : Sonic Unleashed Meme

[@Lyrarizi]

hey guys i actually think sonic is dead for a moment in that one panel in the water when surge passed out but judge for yourself ;)

[@krisdreemurr3533]

*Surge is Spinel of SU, lol.*

[@LoganMcShane-w1m]

What was the music used when sonic was being electricutied

[@VerneHedy-j4d]

Rempel Plaza

[@AleXavieR-l2t]

I liked it, except for the shaking camera. Hard to pay attention and possibly get motion sick

[@marionmcdaniel347]

I’m new to this sonic comic series but wasn’t surge an ally to sonic and the others what caused her to become a villain?

[@pikaqte5418]

She's not an ally, or you picked up a later issue- she was basically brainwashed and enhanced repeatedly to hate and kill sonic, and the trauma has left her unstable. Dr. Starline, her creator,is dead, but because of all the trauma and programming she doesnt want to be allies

[@charliekrauss5046]

Umm.. did she die? Cause usually glazed eyes like that means she's dead.... damn thats dark

[@The_Ultimate_Agent]

No. She just fainted due to her power being gone.

[@charliekrauss5046]

@@The_Ultimate_Agent thank god

[@Divne_Multiverse844]

One question, WHERE THE FUCK IS SHADOW DURING ALL OF THIS?!

[@johnsantos507]

Yeah! We want to see Shadow kick her ass!

[@darthvader473]

These issues have me REALLY doubt Surge will become good. Unless Sega and IDW would surprise me. But otherwise, they seem like plot devices.

[@KennethMoreland]

Surge is such a tryhard Jet the Hawk wannabe OC of Ian Flynn. Garbage character.

[@justynhill4814]

Your that mad that she’s this popular. Jet already knows who he is and Surge doesn’t know who she was and because of that 3rd rate scientist Starline that she’s this mess up.

[@Rathalos2428]

​@@justynhill4814 I don't mind the character, it is actually pretty great info to work with if I ever get the time. In terms of what I enjoy deciphering, Surge seems to be a good rival but her lack of identity makes it irrelevant for Sonic to sway as he did with other Rivals making her fall in lines with Metal, thematically speaking. In terms of power, Surge needed an Amp to both tag and damage Sonic who is less hurt and more shocked (unironically speaking) which can be compared to how in DBS, Vegeta lands an punch when he is not close to hurting Jiren but the fact Vegeta landed an hit on Jiren shocked Jiren more than the actual damage. That's how I see Sonic's reaction, you see something like your little brother you're trying to convince only for their strength to go from something you can overpowered to literally having you on your own back, the shock alone is more startling than the damage that follows.

[@GoldenFlame-ft1rk]

I think you ment to say Scourge the hedgehog instead of Jet the hawk