Sonic X Shadow Generations but FASTER Boost!

[@SonicHakkindaHerşey]

YOO THANKS FOR PLAYING MY MOD TSYM TSYM! (btw i am the creator of real boost game physics)

[@nullthenightcat]

I'm fine with Shadow being on the slower side since he has the extra stuff like chaos spears. As long as Sonic himself is faster in the next game I'll be happy.

[@windy3935]

I feel like I replied to you recently. They're not increasing Sonic's speed again. I mean, they did it in Frontiers but exclusively for the Open Zone. So appreciate it there and be grateful for that. As for those arcadey linear levels, nope. The speed was problematic to game design in multiple aspects, which is why they slowed him down. (There's a reason why speedsters are virtually non-existent main characters in game.) It helps them make the games better and to our preference. What they should do is maybe bring back the drift, and definitely add more slide-underneath obstacles - I dont think there was a single one in Shadow Gens. It's actually mind-blowing how good Shadow Generations was able to be without some of those iconic stage gimmicks.

[@nullthenightcat]

I don't actually like sliding obstacles... I'm fine with Sonic's speed as it was in Frontiers open zones and personally I'd be happy with including less spectacle than Shadow Gens levels if they have to. ​@@windy3935

[@megapulsar9244]

​@@windy3935 When I read this, it sounds more to me like some people had skill issues rather than speed itself being a problem for the games that were running on the former Hedgehog Engine since Unleashed until Generations. Either way, I don't appreciate this new Hedgehog Engine that they implemented since Forces and the different, slower gameplay style that it brings to the franchise; no more drifting, and no more quick jumps to keep your inertia while boosting like you could do with Sonic. Now whenever you jump, even if you're boosting and even if it's for the smallest height, they not only automatically curl into a ball, but they also lose almost all of their built up speed/momentum in a flash, this is freaking awkward for a boost-formula Sonic/Shadow game. Ever since Forces, and even more so in Frontiers (in the Cyberspace levels) and Shadow Generations, I never felt like I was going fast at all, even with the boost, compared to back when I was playing Unleashed or when I played Sonic Generations, both OG and the remaster, where I can feel and enjoy a actual thrill of Sonic speed. Frontiers was nice, and Shadow Generations is great, but no one will make me change my mind about that new slower-paced gameplay that Sega has seemingly decided to turn towards, a very bad decision to me.

[@windy3935]

@@megapulsar9244 That will only ever be partly the reason at most. Sonic Unleashed was confirmed to be an extremely expensive game to make. IIRC it was either no.1 or no.2. Sonic's increased speed was factually a contribution to that, forcing the devs to make extremely long levels to accommodate for it. And the longer the level, the more environmental design work developers would have to do. There was absolutely no way they could keep sustaining SU's production values entry after entry. Frontiers isn't a boost game (too many people get this wrong). Not to sound condescending, but they made that pretty clear with their explicit level design and character movement design choices. (Cyber Space also wasn't suppose to be in the game.) It's similarly different in the way Lost World and the Storybook games are to the games before them.

[@megapulsar9244]

@@windy3935 Okay I see the point. Also I know Frontiers was radically different in the way you control Sonic, obviously he's not maneuverable in Frontiers the same way he once was in Unleashed/Colors/Generations, but well, perhaps I would've liked the game even better if Cyberspace wasn't in it indeed, or if it was different.

[@sonicovertime]

The Kingdom Valley Act 2 run is so clean, my favorite run of the video. Included overpowered physics at the end for fun.

[@MauriceWadegu]

Cool

[@Terminal_Apotos]

This is a bit overkill but I do think he’s too slow in the base game. The Level design mostly accounts for it but it’s very noticeable when it doesn’t.

[@marguya4643]

I think it's mostly in 2D

[@leonardowynnwidodo9704]

@@marguya46433D also seems that way

[@KyndlingStoneCB]

It’s a tradeoff. Shadow has all of these powers, but is slower so it still can overall differentiate from Sonic’s gameplay.

[@Terminal_Apotos]

@@KyndlingStoneCB Sonic and Shadow are the same speed lmao. Look at the Cyberspace Stage Mod, they travel at the same rate.

[@KyndlingStoneCB]

@ i mean more in the case for gameplay. Compared to Sonic Gens

[@rmat9023]

9:48 now he's fast enough to get past the falling ceiling, just like in sonic colors, where you dont got no Chaos control, time stopper!

[@underrated3143]

Between hedgehog engine 1 sonic felt faster In hedgehog engine 2 sonic feels a bit slower Maybe could be lack of motion blur effects and speed effects in engine 2 lack of creative camera that follows sonic compared sonic unleashed + generations, where speed, motion blur, camera makes sonic feel like SPEED. Sonic Forces lacked great camera movement with speed. frontiers feels fast and fun but static camera (still great gane) Shadow GENERATIONS good level design but speed feels static or it might be just the camera. This is what i think is going on imo (Please don't kill me i just trying to let everyone know of how different the current speed feels to me, and i'm wondering if anyone notices this.)

[@AYTM1200]

Nah no hate, that's pretty much the issue.

[@nabsi]

Noticed this too so i agree, i also feel like boost is somewhat slower in engine 2, that also combined with very fixed, rigid camera movement thats probably making it feel like it lacks that speed feel. I think that the speed feel in gens and unleashed are perfect

[@vixtheexistent6390]

To my knowledge someone modded dragon road from unleashed and they found that with the power boost in cyberspace that’s unlocked when you srank all of the cyberspace challenges after you beat the game the boost speed of sonic becomes almost the same as the actual unleashed boost speed but it just looks slower.

[@gipadamus]

Hedgehog Engine 2 is a graphics engine, not a physics engine

[@NekoPria]

Yea, correction has already been done, but the hedgehog engine is a graphics engine. The engine for Unleashed and Gens is on Havok Engine, which is also Sonic 06 uses. The current engine for shadow generations is assumed to be what they used for Lost World, Forces, and Frontiers, which mainly cause physics wise are a bit similar mainly in the Forces and Frontiers and Shadow Gens.

[@SonicCyber-Galaxy]

Awesome Video, I Can Imagine Shadow Roasting Frontiers Sonic With This Mod And His Wings

[@masterdails]

*Gotta go FAST!!!*

[@sonicovertime]

This guy's faster than Sonic!!

[@Kurisu9568]

@@sonicovertime Woah. He's fast!

[@SonicsShadow997]

​@@Kurisu9568Shadow: NO! Im Shadow

[@DarkFrozenDepths]

When a Sonic game isn't fast enough for you

[@milesprower6110]

It's sad that the super speed reaction time based levels from Unleashed won't come back because of... "It's tooooo hard to react" from the turbo mashers... But I think the level designs in Shadow Generations complements well to the speed pace and abilities you have at hand.

[@megapulsar9244]

You're kidding me... It won't come back??! ☹️

[@milesprower6110]

@@megapulsar9244 I doubt that Sega will focus with a new entire game for a small target audience of players of niche... unless they make them as extra / DLC levels like they did with the super way harder levels of Unleashed. I think it won't

[@megapulsar9244]

@@milesprower6110 if that's the case, then that's it, we're freaking done for.

[@megapulsar9244]

It's good to see other people tackling and talking about the concerning issue of Sonic games being slower ever since they started to stray from the speedy Unleashed boost formula after Generations with Lost World, and then Forces and Frontiers. At least Shadow Generations, even if it is slower, compensates with its other gameplay mechanics and the level design that goes along with them. But Forces and Frontiers didn't have much else to do that (well I guess they kinda did, but what I mean by that is that it wasn't all regrouped in one single style of gameplay played by a single character : Forces had different mechanics/dynamics, but with different characters, and Frontiers may have had a faster-paced gameplay with different mechanics too, but only in the open zones, while Shadow has all of his different mechanics to himself and he evolves with them into one single zone and style of gameplay, aka the linear timed and fast-paced levels à la Unleashed).

[@vlbxrto_187]

You think forces is the reason?

[@megapulsar9244]

@vlbxrto_187 not the only reason, nor the first one.

[@mysteryperson1958]

I don't mind them slowing down sonic but I do feel the new boost games have been too slow. I think a slight speed increase in the next game would be good, and bring back the air boost from forces (the only thing control wise that felt good) since that could be a fun movement option.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

What that music in the back?

[@SoundwaveSuperior6969]

This would be great as an update or with an expansion pack, because I feel like the newer Sonic games have been really slow gameplay wise lately

[@BatMane95]

Shadow Generations: Unleashed/World Adventure Edition. It is kinda interesting to see Sunset Heights with the length being slightly more accurate to the original though.

[@EdgyQueen]

💀 interesting in a bad way

[@etherealhatred]

This reminds me so much of Forces with the broken as hell boost

[@cornbreadpapi]

“Why do you love the Sonic series so much?” 0:58 🔥😤

[@domovoi2861]

it still doesn't FEEL as fast as Unleashed and Generations, and it really lacks that satisfying sonic boom and camera effect that they had Well, the camera effect is there, but without the boom it's just not satisftying to activate boost at all :v

[@bottomtext593]

It's the FoV. Some freeroam stage mods bring that effect back and then all of a sudden you feel like you're back in HE1

[@emperortoho]

@@bottomtext593 yeah, shadow in this game is barely slower than gens sonic, his speed is 50 units vs sonic’s 60 iirc

[@nabsi]

​@@bottomtext593that, plus what looks like significantly more fixed camera angles with rigid camera movement in comparison to sonic gens in my opinion

[@windy3935]

@@emperortoho Looking for a definitive answer on this though: Is Unleashed Sonic really faster than Gens Sonic, or did they just mess with the camera in Gens to make it seem slower (the latter wouldn't make much sense to me, because that wouldn't actually help them make longer levels/game length).

[@emperortoho]

@ unleashed sonic is around as fast as gens sonic, but the speed upgrades make him faster and the camera is much more dynamic and fast the camera in gens zooms out more so it’s easier to see as that was a major complaint with unleashed, it’s been zoomed out for forces, frontiers, and shadow gens for a similar reason(as well as motion sickness complaints)

[@edstreme13]

Seeing this and stuff like it, always make me wonder why Sega is afraid to make a a modern Sonic game that matches the feel of speed of Unleashed. The other boost games (not you Forces) are fun, but it just feels like along the way, the devs are a bit too out of touch to know what made the system fun: Going as fast as you can through a living breathing world while narrowly sidestepping, drifting, and sliding under a few obstacles. That's all T^T

[@MrTragedious986]

I mean as much as I liked going fast, I feel like I prefer Shadow Generations gameplay since it’s a balanced of Adventure and Unleashed gameplay.

[@ar7hur06]

it gets stale rather quickly, that's why. there's only so much you can do to make a level that's built like a qte actually fun, while you can dial down the speed and make a more expansive level that rewards mastery of the moveset rather than quick reactions (actually, more like memorizing the layout) and the players will find new stuff and have fun years and years afterwards because they have that freedom and the skill height with what you can do is just so much higher

[@monstru1572]

@edstreme imagine having to make hugely scaled locations that take loads of time to flesh out in level design, aesthetics and the accomodation of high speeds only to have players blast through them in like less than 2 minutes. Yeah, 1 or 2 years of development for only a handful of minutes of gameplay! Shadow Generations has a slower boost to make actual platforming shine WAY MORE than just flying through everything. For stripping down the boost, they innovate reaction based gameplay through aspects like the doom spears and even chaos control, and it ends up doing things so much different than the dumb boost games that Sunset Heights really feels like the only linear level in the lineup, which even then, it's still incredibly fun. All the other levels have so many different things you can do with the powerups given to you as you progress through the game, and I could really care less about unleashed style boosting if I can ride on water, fly in the sky or surf on walls. I don't know why people like you still yearn for this sort of boost brainrot gameplay that straight up becomes mindless button holding and maybe one or two reaction time-based sections that last no more than a couple of seconds. Shadow Generations truly feels like I'm putting thought and skill into where I need to go, what I'm doing in certain sections, and how I can potentially find different routes to optimize my times through the powers given to me.

[@FullmetalX4]

​@monstru1572 Based and redpilled, even reading the description on physics tweaks enabled to "resemble like OG Gens" I couldn't help but audibly let out "why" (no offense OP). I genuinely can't see why anyone would want to regress to that aspect of it after being spoiled with Shadow Gens, and I say this as a Gens fanboy.

[@edstreme13]

@@monstru1572 I'm not entirely sure why you're defending and making a case for Shadow Generations, when I quite literally wasn't attacking or degrading it in any way shape or form, but alright? Yes, Shadow Generations works for itself and then some, I don't think anyone's disputing that. Shadow and his new abilites open up new opportunites to really open up some cool, fun, and creative ways make the gameplay feel like an awesome experience that'll make you come back for more long after you're done. The whole point of my comment wasn't too shit on what we have, but question why historically we've deviated all over the place to get to where we are now. This video is showing faster boost, and I felt nostalgic. Nothing deeper than that. But I guess just to be a litte nit-picky, I really don't understand the implication of your first paragraph. We shouldn't expect a certain level of quality because...we move fast through them? Unleashed had all kinds nice visual nuances and depths you can appreciate, all while not being sacrificed when moving at high speeds, with a little extra help from clever uses of camera angles and other little tricks in certain areas. For that game, hat's what the poured their develpment into, and it showed,largely being successful at that. But I don't have nostalgia goggles on, I know it was far from flawless, given limitations and certain direction choice and whatnot, but overall, they fairly accomplished it on the whole. So I dunno, i"m sorry, but it's difficult for me to just...lower my expectations like that and just presume what they can and can't do when they put their minds to it. All I'm saying is that every now and then I just want stages like Adabat or Spagonia to show up now and again. Where boosting throught most of the stage practically nonstop with no hiccups at all is something that you have earn after learning to get through all the hazards as second nature. It's a different kind of fun, and seeing this vid pop up just reignited that itch for more of the same, that's all there ever was too it. Never said its better than Shadow Generations as a whole or anything like that, so if for whatever reason you still feel like you're being attacked for enjoying the base game, I apologize.

[@leonardowynnwidodo9704]

This speed is more preferable in Sonic Generations and I really hoped that would be the case

[@SpeedoIsVeryEpic]

this mod is great, but theres just one problem, I don't like it when hes so fast like sonic in frontiers, where you can just fly over platforms when boosting as shown from 0:51 to 0:57, I think the boost should just be a method to gain speed but yet keep the same gravity as when not boosting, as not shown in frontiers, where boosting will keep you gliding in the air. And if that wont happen, I think they should at least make it a customizable option from the settings

[@luivicci7718]

This is speed🔥

[@TOM-ro7rt]

lore accurate sonic forces

[@EdgyQueen]

It's funny that this mod makes Shadow's stages almost the same length as Sonic's. What happens if you add Frontiers' Spin dash then? 💀

[@mysteryperson1958]

The stage would be over in a minute

[@Sonicfalcon16]

Shadow with his limiters removed

[@thatonecaster6501]

Overpowered sonic 2.0 moment

[@coolshaunathehedgehog6469]

*That's Fast!*

[@jboyathegamer]

Extra speed

[@SonicsShadow997]

Where Did You Find The Park Avenue Music? In White Space?

[@JaiyleenCord]

So, everyone can agree that Super Sonic in base Gen’s was disappointing, right? What if, in future games, they reserved this “overpowered” speed for Super forms? I think that’d be a cool compromise.

[@megapulsar9244]

What do you actually mean? Generations' Super Sonic isn't disappointing. Lost World, Forces and Cyberspace Frontiers are.

[@JaiyleenCord]

@ Really? I think most people find Super Sonic in Generations disappointing. Boosting depletes your ring count way too fast, and you just end up flying over the stage instead of engaging with the level design. Not fun to contend with. The Super forms of the other games are disappointing for a different reason-they simply provide little variety, playing very similarly to base Sonic.

[@megapulsar9244]

@@JaiyleenCord Well that's about the only drawback from Generations' Super Sonic, true, but nothing you can't quite manage with a good enough play, if you know how to keep enough rings and how and where and when to collect them. He also doesn't fly boost in just any section of any level, so he won't deplete your rings fast everytime, and when you can boost normally on the ground the rings don't go down as fast. But no I never really saw any of that kind of comment about Gen's Super Sonic.

[@The_ultimate_silly_goober]

​@@megapulsar9244wait you can turn super sonic in cyberspace???

[@starentertainment-n4l]

I think I understand why they nerfed the boost. It’s probably because they keep on hearing about the criticisms regarding boost to win, and don’t want more of that in their games. It’s just like all of a sudden you went from not wanting boost to win to wanting boost to win. Pick a lane, and stay in it.

[@AYTM1200]

Boost to win is a dumb argument, always has always will be.

[@windy3935]

No, they nerfed it because in short it made game designing easier. More time for texture-streaming, and the work artist did on environments wouldn't be wasted and sped past so damn fast. One of the main reasons Unleashed was so expensive to make was because of how fast they made Sonic. His speed has always been an issue since the 90s and Adventure games, but especially in Unleashed. Also partly the reason the Werehog existed iirc.

[@starentertainment-n4l]

@@AYTM1200 Those were the exact criticisms used for Forces.

[@장준현-i9p]

It’s more than that. Since boost makes you run really fast, it become more difficult for players to figure out the whole design of the map and the locations of the obstacles, and it becomes harder for newbies to get used to it.

[@Roty24-f6s]

​@@starentertainment-n4lThey were true for forces in particular just not accurate for unleashed colours and generations.

[@windy3935]

Boi replaced the sunset heights music with Park Avenue.

[@Cacakison]

i think the original speed is good, problem with gens and unleashed was that, with sonic going so fast, levels had to be LOOOOOONG, wich took too much of the budget, causing gens levels to be very short compared to unleashed, and unleashed having the werehog to compensate

[@XDEMONKIDE]

How did you think about sonic Tech demo two?

[@ariffirdaus5376]

can we add the og camera system from sonic gens onto shadow?, this normal camera feels way to stiff and boring

[@davidbailey81287]

So Fast

[@AYTM1200]

They sped up Shadow and the stages still take 3 minutes. I hate to bring up Forces again but it really puts into perspective how badly those stages were designed. So damn short.

[@The_ultimate_silly_goober]

I mean, only 3 people worked on the level design and 2 of them were new

[@drewey-oh6484]

This makes the game look so much better than the original. I thought the game was really lacking in the speed department amoung other things which is ashame cause the level design pretty decent. This mod makes the game look so much more enjoyable overall

[@inzonia4403]

0:32 "this is the ultimate gyatt" sorry

[@adesolamibabajide1407]

I don't think sega is ready for sa3. I personally want it. People who want sonic adventure 3 👇

[@Sombrelame]

goes too fast for me, similar to how unleashed was too fast i think the og speed is perfect, it's fast but not too fast but i think it's something you should be able to set in a menu similar to how frontiers did it

[@justinbarton8808]

This speed is more accurate, he’s too slow in the game. This really matches shadows air shoes speed better.

[@elijahscott3562]

3:33 the pose looks so sick with the doom wings

[@DOYOUGOTGAMEONYOURPHONE]

damn that animation tho