Valor screwed Rozz. But, The Valor version of Christian Death is nowhere near as good musically as the original line-up under Rozz Williams.
@chaoskommando64163 жыл бұрын
No Rozz Williams No Christian Death.
@williamzimmerman75012 жыл бұрын
~yawn~
@jash412 жыл бұрын
To Right
@captainsmokey40682 жыл бұрын
im getting bored of the rozz vs valor thing tbh
@williamzimmerman75012 жыл бұрын
@@captainsmokey4068 No kidding. It's kind of sickening the obsession some of the RW cultists have.
@captainsmokey40682 жыл бұрын
@@williamzimmerman7501 i mean i love rozz sm, but ppl need to stop treating him like hes god lmfao
@daisaigai75 жыл бұрын
Ich hab da so meine Probleme mit der Titulierung als "Christian Death". Letztlich ist es doch nur Valor Kand. Und selbst der war kein Gründungsmitglied.
@SonicSeducerMagazin5 жыл бұрын
Naja, innerhalb von 34 Jahren, seit Christian Death unter Valor weiter geführt wurden, kann sich die Besetzung schon mal ändern. Maitri ist aber auch bereits seit ca. 1992 dabei ergo seit 27 Jahren. Die Alben seit 1990 sind sicherlich Geschmackssache und mit Rozz Williams war es von 1979 bis 1985 sicherlich eine ganz andere Band. Mit Rozz Williams parallel zu Valors Christian Death von 1992 bis 1995 noch mal eine ganz andere Band/ Musik. ;-) Siehe sehr ausführliche Stories mit Interviews zum 20 jährigen Verscheiden von Rozz Williams mit Valor, Gitane Demone, Rikk Agnew, Fotograf Edward Colver, Rozz Williams Interview von 1992 ectra, in den Sonic Seducer Ausgaben 12-18/01-19 und 02-19. www.sonic-seducer.de/index.php/de/sonic-seducer-onlineshop/sonic-seducer/ausgaben-2018/sonic-seducer-12-2018-01-2019-titelstory-within-temptation-gothic-fetisch-kalender-2019-im-xxl-format-cd-mit-3-stunden-spielzeit-inkl-battle-of-the-bands-detail.html www.sonic-seducer.de/index.php/de/sonic-seducer-onlineshop/sonic-seducer/ausgaben-2019/sonic-seducer-02-2019-mit-gothic-taschenkalender-2019-und-17-track-cd-336-seiten-detail.html
@daisaigai75 жыл бұрын
Ich muss gestehen, ich kenne die Frau nicht. Ich hielt sie erst für Eva O. Die Monsterbrille hatte das Gesicht so stark verdeckt. Daran merkt man erst, wie lange man schon die Entwicklung der Band aus den Augen verloren hat. Und natürlich idealisiert man da immer ein wenig, wobei ich nun nicht zwingend ein Freund dieser Rozz vs. Valor-Debatte bin. Ich mochte durchaus noch die frühen Sachen mit Valor, aber das hatte sich Ende der '80er/Anfang der '90er für mich totgefahren. Da muss man wirklich ein Faible für Hard Rock und Heavy Metal haben Danke für die Infos..
@SonicSeducerMagazin5 жыл бұрын
@@daisaigai7 Die Alben von Valor von 1985 bis 1990, wie "The Wind Kissed Picture" (später mit weiteren Singles "Past, Present & Future"), "Atrocities", "The Scriptures", "Sex Drugs & Jesus Christ", sowie auch noch die Sammlung unveröffentlichter Stücke "Insanus, Ultio, Proditio, Misericordiaque" (ursprünglich mit einem Song mit Rozz Williams) sind sicherlich ganz hervorragede Meilensteine des Gothic Rock, von welchen der Status der Band noch heute belebt wird. Was aber nicht heißt, dass es auf späteren Alben auch gute Songs geben hat, auch wenn der ursprüngliche Spirit sich verändert hat.
@williamzimmerman75015 жыл бұрын
Who gives a shit if he was a founding member or not? Get over it already. Bands evolve and move forward. You should too.
@LilNicky1092 жыл бұрын
@@williamzimmerman7501 Evolve? Evolve is when something develops and grows gradually over time. These aren’t original members, NONE OF THEM ARE. If they’ve “evolved”, why are they playing songs of off OTOP when nobody sitting there wrote any of those songs? Why didn’t they use a name they made themselves and garnered their own fans for their own band instead of leeching of the success of other people? You call that evolving and change?
@stevenroby16675 жыл бұрын
Love you valor ...
@chadmuskaa28064 жыл бұрын
ROZZ
@coraline35964 жыл бұрын
@@chadmuskaa2806 chill
@LilNicky1092 жыл бұрын
@@coraline3596 ROZZ
@williamzimmerman75012 жыл бұрын
@@chadmuskaa2806 And the point of your trolling is what?
@chadmuskaa28062 жыл бұрын
@@williamzimmerman7501 ROZZ
@leonceheaven10323 жыл бұрын
You are not Christian Death. How completely sorry. Valor is a lame. I mean why even try. Rozz was Christian Death.
@williamzimmerman75012 жыл бұрын
Rozz had left. Valor obtained the name rightfully and in case you forgot, he played on two of their most well-known album. Get over it.
@leonceheaven10322 жыл бұрын
@@williamzimmerman7501 Listen buddy, all you have to do is listen to only theater of pain and it becomes obvious that Rozz was a lyrical gangster mack and the creative force behind everything. And without Rozz the rest of the band are at best mediocre, and without Rozzs genius Christian death is just a legal title without any authentic artistic merrit. Sorry buddy.
@williamzimmerman75012 жыл бұрын
@@leonceheaven1032 LOL. Are you telling me that Rikk Agnew is mediocre at best? That's laughable. You Rozz worshippers are all the same and will never change. Rozz was an important figure... no doubt. But he wasn't a genius. Sorry, buddy.
@leonceheaven10322 жыл бұрын
@@williamzimmerman7501 first of all I aint no Rozz worshiper. Personally I didn't care for his feminine ways and how he allowed his obsessions and the goth scene to dictate his art..and ultimately his life.. but artist as I am I notice genius when I see it. In this situation you can collect any ten random people and with enough instruction and practice they can be as good as Rick Agnew..who was a good guitarist at best. However you can select the same ten people and no matter how much instruction or practice they have they will never achieve what Rozz had. Rare genius. How's that? Because you never seen genius or smelled it or heard it until someone else pointed it out for you. And still you don't know what you're looking at. I know because I have it my grasp. Remember my name. So long Zimmerman.