Sony A7Cr VS Sony a6700 - Ultimate Hybrid Battle!!

[@thefilmalliance]

What camera would you buy as a beginner?

[@orczville9258]

can you make a6700 vs fx30

[@colton9841]

I'm at a loss. I was considering the ZV-E1 as my use case would be about 85-90% video (vlogging). However, the A7CR looks like it would be a great camera, but lacking in some features that the ZV-E1 has like low light performance, and no crop for 4k. That said, it doesn't seem like the A7CR crops would impact me that much if I am using wide lenses for vlogging and investing in all full frame glass - also only shooting in 4k60 for slow motion. If you were deciding between the ZV-E1 and the A7CR for clogging and content creation, which would you choose and recommend?

[@pcofranc]

@@colton9841 I was thinking about the ZV-E1 but I realized for me for a first real camera moving up from the cell phone the a6700 makes the most sense. You have to take into consideration, that the camera could get damaged or stolen and if it’s really in budget to buy the A7CR get the a6700 and just plan to buy a Second camera. if or when it’s need it later.

[@artembes]

Sony A6700 a winner for beginner :)

[@kuenzangwangyeldorji2239]

both are of different price range.

[@LensProWork]

Comparing the A7cii to the A6700 is what I want to see. By the way, your videos are amazing, although sometimes I have to rewind them 10-20 seconds because you speak so fast about important details. But I guess this is more on me, as English is my second language.

[@thefilmalliance]

Thank you I’ll try to slow it down

[@LensProWork]

No worries; you don't have to change your style for me. Keep doing your job; it is very good indeed. 🙂

[@StreetsOfVancouverChannel]

He does talk a bit too fast! ✌🏻🙏🏻👊🏻😎

[@georgekontos1839]

Agreed. A bit slower would be appreciated. Other than that small nitpick, you do an excellent job! Thank you.

[@zakiradi450]

Same here. I want to see A7Cii vs A6700.

[@am_eric_a]

This is one of the most professional and detailed videos I’ve ever seen on KZbin. Thank you so much.

[@georgekontos1839]

What are the overall image quality differences between the A7CR in Super 35/APS-C mode vs the A6700? I'm especially curious about this when shooting at high ISO around 12,000. Would the A7CR's cropped image be as good (noise, sharpness) as the straight shot from the A6700 at high ISO?

[@tjal92]

that opening shot blew me away and then you followed up with interesting hook and sound design. Thanks for the experience!

[@thefilmalliance]

Love that feedback, thank you!

[@jeepkd]

This comparison is exactly what i'm looking for. Great job!

[@thefilmalliance]

Love to hear it man. Glad i could help

[@bondgabebond4907]

How about a discussion about the Tamron zoom lens. You seem to really like them. I see that Tamron is finally upping the quality of their lens's vs the past crop of cheap lenses. I just bought the 18-300 Tamron zoom for my aps-c cameras. Outside of the less than smooth zooming function, this animal is wild and extremely useful, not only for long distance pictures but close crop while maintaining a crisp image. I was blown away by this lens when shooting bees (very uncooperative, move too much) on my shrub with thousands of pink blossoms. Now for the shocker, the a6700 sells for $1,400 while the excellent A7CR sells for ONLY $3,000. Buy two, they're cheap.

[@markperritte]

Price is also a part of the reason for me going to look hard at the 6700. I have the A7iv and was wondering how they would go together when filming.Thank for all the hard work you put into your videos and it is why I check your channel when looking at new products. THANK YOU

[@the_rat_run]

Great comparison, Joe. Not that I'm in the market for a FF camera, having just bought the a6700 a couple of weeks back, the similarities between both were surprising.

[@thefilmalliance]

Yes I agree. But that 61mp sensor is amazing

[@naizondj]

Practically the same only price change!🤷🏻‍♂️ if i go full frame a go for a7s iv or a7iv not those small experiment of a fullframe camera! A6700 forever

[@bondgabebond4907]

@@thefilmalliance So is the price. That was not mentioned. $1,400 vs $3,000 or emphasized.

[@pcofranc]

I think things have progressed to a point where you’re going to get excellent image, quality and great auto focus. The real difference comes down to angle of view in the case of foam frame, and usability cases that are more of interest to a professional versus an amateur or Vlogger. My two cents is APSC first, and you’ll know when the time is right to move to full frame.

[@RickMentore]

Fantastic work here, Good Sir! I rather enjoy your "rapid fire" delivery.

[@g3rmany600]

Only problem is the A7CR is more than double the price. It's amazing how much the A6700 brings for more than half the price.

[@soteritojr9310]

Is the Sony a6700 good for sports photography and videography?

[@scottiebumich]

Seems it's less a question about the cameras but the lenses you want to buy/carry around with. I have been shooting Sony Crops for the last 8 years as I mostly did landscapes (I have been traveling the world for 4 of those years). Now I have a baby and I am more interested in portraits so I considered FF. But honestly, Sigma's F1.4s are darn good and their F2.8 zoom is amazing. Although I would like the low light and better bookah of a FF I'm not sure it's really worth the much larger lenses (and weight).

[@StreetsOfVancouverChannel]

Splendid and superbly edited, bruh! In a sea of gear reviewers who make boring after boring edited vids your own are visually/audio edited sumptuous feasts! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻📸😎🎯✌🏻🇨🇦

[@thefilmalliance]

That was nice of you, thank you

[@DavidChristmas]

Incredible comparison video, I just have one question. At 12:57 you mentioned that the focal length and aperture is multiplied by 1.5x for the APS-C camera. Wouldn't f/2.0 x 1.5 (crop factor) equal to f/3.0 and not f/3.5? (or f/2.8 or f/3.2 since those are the aperture values that can be selected in the camera). Thanks in advance!

[@timoohlsen]

Brilliant review in all aspects! The best I have seen by far!! 👏👍

[@thefilmalliance]

Amazing compliment thanks

[@Parkeralto]

From a chart I saw in Mark Galer's video the a7CR dual ISOs fall at 100 and 360

[@jaymills1720]

Love the channel. Thinking the a6700 is the better value for hybrid shooters including compared to a7cii❤

[@thefilmalliance]

Yes, the image you get out of it is amazing

[@jaymills1720]

@@thefilmalliancebut the overheating and noise worries me. I can afford either. A7cii or a6700 for hybrid shooting (docs, travel, sports, family etc)?

[@pcofranc]

@@jaymills1720a6700 + iPhone magnetic fan you stick a little plate on the back and the fan can just be stuck on when needed and pulled back off, and as far as the mic should always be using either a shotgun, mic or wireless spend the rest of the money on cages, accessories lenses, etc.

[@crion88]

Wow I really liked your style! opening was great. Also, this comparison is Exactly what i was looking for. Thankyou! Looking forward to your channel.

[@thefilmalliance]

Awesome, thank you! Appreciate the positive feedback. Welcome to the channel!

[@KofiYeboah]

That openning shot , dear god 😮‍💨

[@jbrocas1939]

If i bought the full frame, can i still use apsc lenses?

[@bkoksal40]

normally I don't really take the time to log in and like the video or post a comment. But I've seen several of your videos and I think this is one of the most professional channels and I mean it. I subscribed immediately and I wish you the best of luck and I know 100% that your channel will get a lot of subscribers.

[@thefilmalliance]

Wow man, I really appreciate you taking the time to share that encouragement with me. Seriously, thanks.

[@RastaHenkie]

Beautiful into man, had to watch it multiple times. Almost too good for KZbin.

[@thefilmalliance]

Wow, I appreciate the love. That one took some planning and 4 or 5 takes to get it just right

[@mikestealth3776]

Just what I needed

[@thefilmalliance]

Awesome man, happy it helped you

[@howardhdavidson]

Very good review of all details…Excellent..Compared to most.

[@BasicObject]

Thank you for your work on this video. You provided the details I was looking for on the A7CR. I'm going for it.

[@thefilmalliance]

My pleasure, glad you liked it

[@trivacker]

Is it true that the 4K 60p will crop 1.2x ?

[@connorchoong4744]

Great video and great editing holyyyy

[@personaltrainersg]

The 7cr problem imo is no cf express. Those giant files are terrible writing to SD cards. That is the main reason I sold my r4 to get the r5. I like smaller cameras but this is a major loss....

[@Childrenoflightprod_]

This was great comparison I do believe you can achieve professional look with a67000 and save money while doing so, I'm just sure about the over heating.

[@thefilmalliance]

Thank you. I agree, it’s amazing option. Still haven’t had any issues with overheating myself. I know others have tho so idk

[@frankfeng2701]

15:15 a7cr should have a 1.2x crop in 4K60p like a7RV.

[@howtomoderate]

I would love to see you review the a6700 compared to the zv-e1

[@xtvst]

Fantastic comparison, thanks so much! You answered my question in the last seconds of the video. I was going to sell my 6600 and upgrade to the A7CR as an all-rounder video + photo, but the limitations of the A7CR for filming with my APS-C lenses is a deal breaker. It's a shame, with such a high megapixel density Sony could have made a well-thought-through use of the APS-C compatibility on this full-frame cam.

[@nevetsnonnac3330]

Agreed, though from all the videos I watched, I get the sense that Sony crippled features between the A7C II, A7CR and A6700 so as not to cannibalize models.

[@AsparagusVideo]

Dude is talking way to fast, had to rewind several times just to compute.

[@debasisbhattacharjee4737]

Any new firmware update for 6700 for overheating issue?

[@thefilmalliance]

Not that I heard of

[@jaymills1720]

@@thefilmalliance1.01 apparently works to improve heat.

[@adonhd7]

that video was awsome brother....

[@thefilmalliance]

Thanks brother

[@chethankumarh7464]

Does Sony a7cr has single curtain shutter or fully mechanical first & secand curtain shutter ? I heard that electronic front curtain shutter cannot be turned off on sony a7cr. Can you confirm me how a7cr is suited for studio strobe flash photogaphy ?

[@thefilmalliance]

Great question. I don’t know the answer to that

[@GregorMima]

Thank you. The comparison i needed, since I have to chose between them 😊

[@thefilmalliance]

Love to hear that, glad it was helpful

[@GregorMima]

@@thefilmalliance Yeah it's hard to find good comparisons and info on 60fps not in crop mode is really important to me since i own alot APSC lenses! Cheers!👍

[@artembes]

Hey! This is a very informative comparison. Can I use the grip extender that comes with A7CR on my A6700?

[@xtvst]

Apparently, you can't. I just watched a video where that was mentioned. It will fit on the A7C-II but not the A6700.

[@shooooota]

Thanks for the great video! Did you update the firmware on the A6700 before trying the overheating properties?

[@sundaydr1ve]

a7cr has crop on 4k60 right?

[@nielsmeer]

Is the additional grip that comes with the A7Cr compatible with the a6700? Given the chassis are so similar, one would hope, but nice to hear from someone with access to both to test.

[@thefilmalliance]

Hmmm, I’m not sure but they sure are close in body type/size

[@hikerstl]

I am sure that video took a lot of effort to made and was very comprehensive. With so much information and you were talking very fast so it was hard for me to follow and so I often had to replay. various sections One feature you might include in future videos would be a summary page with the information you are stating in verbal form. But I did learn a lot from your video and I feel I have made the good decision for me with going with the CR rather than the 6700. I

[@one901]

Comparing the a7cii to the a6700 would have been better. They are a tie

[@thefilmalliance]

Who said that’s not coming??

[@naizondj]

I wait for it!😂

[@oakacregardening4693]

Looking forward. To this comparison. Exactly what I’m trying to decide between

[@kasplantje7277]

I like these revieuws, there is only one thing that is really bothering me. Why are you not testing the APS-C line with propper APS-C lenses. That Sony kitlens is one of the worst APS-C E mound lenses out there. There a so many good APS-C lensen. Putting a Tamron 17-70 F2.8 on a APS-C camera should give you better results than the Full Frame 28-75 at APS-C because all the light is focust propperly on the sensor.

[@amanxstudio7471]

please get help . I Have Already have lens 17-70 ( tamron) .. BUT MY QUESTION IS I ATOUCHED WITH 6700 .. NOT CROP MY FRAME IN MY LENS IN 6700 ..

[@thefilmalliance]

That’s a great question but unfortunately, I don’t know the answer

[@amanxstudio7471]

please get help . I Have Already have lens 17-70 ( tamron) .. BUT MY QUESTION IS I ATOUCHED WITH 6700 .. NOT CROP MY FRAME IN MY LENS IN 6700 .. Please reply me its very urgent

[@thefilmalliance]

I am not sure; if you ever find out, please let us all know.

[@amanxstudio7471]

please get help. I Already have lens 17-70 (Tamron) .. BUT MY QUESTION IS I TOUCHED WITH 6700 and.. I DO NOT CROP MY FRAME IN MY LENS IN 6700. Please reply to me it's very urgent

[@thefilmalliance]

I understand what you are saying but I dont have a good answer for you

[@wlsntech]

How were you able to get the cool floating 3D effect of the cameras?

[@pcofranc]

Probably an affect in Final Cut Pro -I enjoyed it as well, and was impressed with how he presented the information, including the choice between the full frame and apsc that there are many things going on not just price.

[@Sonic-Boom]

Hey, could you please tell me if the grip extension from the A7Cr fits the A6700?

[@bondgabebond4907]

No, not compatible. Look at the Small Rig cage for the a6700. It adds a little more to the bottom for your pinky.

[@Sonic-Boom]

Thanks for checking, I have the Smallrig baseplate on currently and I guess it will do. cheers @@bondgabebond4907

[@Primeros1000]

I used to like crop sensor camaras because there were smaller and more portable. Not anymore with the A7c series. I have an a6600 and the original a7c and I almost never take out tje a6600 anymore. Full frame is so much better for me

[@danielerichfischer4634]

But the lenses are still cheaper, smaller and lighter tho.

[@magnusasmussen9452]

A7Cii or A7CR?

[@FlorianBorchert]

If you dont do professional work where you need the 16 Bit raw video output and the 62MP for photography there is no reason to get the a7c r. To be honest the a6700 is for the price and quality to hard to beat. In all your comparison videos I did not see any difference in quality and could not tell them apart. As a tipp I'd suggest that you put all the info's about the cameras on the screen as well as you speak because following you with that much info is dificult.

[@brianmeaker380]

Iv been using an a6600 for wildlife for over a year. I have full frame lenses I was looking at the a7r4 but the a7cr is better value and i dont need the extra features but seeing the a6700 i dont see the advantage of the full frame except for insects as id be using crop mode 90 percent of the time so now i dont know i might wait for the a92.

[@klaush.8116]

Were you a little rushed or why was everything a little quick?

[@gegenlaktose]

"As we all know, low light will always be a lot better on FF than on APS-C" Isn't this only true if you compare a FF and an APS-C camera with the same number of pixels? In this case, the FF sensor would have bigger pixels and therefore better low light performance. But here the pixel size of the A7Cr and the A6700 is (almost) identical, so they should perform the same in low light (using lenses with the same f-number).

[@thefilmalliance]

Good point thanks

[@Arcticfox7]

I really wish Sony would cover up their sensors like Canon does. I was sick of cleaning up dust spots in post on a73. I moved on to Canon, I couldn't be happier.

[@thefilmalliance]

What do you mean covers their sensors better?

[@jaymills1720]

@@thefilmalliance curtain?

[@Jonathantuba]

They do on the full frame camera. Just needs enabling in settings

[@georgekontos1839]

I think Arcticfox may be referring to the anti-dust shutter mechanism that some cameras have where you can choose in the settings to keep the shutter curtain closed when removing lenses.

[@hellopsp180]

oooof i think the CR might be the one to get

[@truthseeker6804]

im surprised how disappointing the a6700 is in overheating. i thought for apsc it would outperform the a7cr in overheating.

[@j2k325]

a new firmware has come out solving overheating for 6700

[@thefilmalliance]

Really?

[@thefilmalliance]

4:2:0 10 bit no overheating issues for me

[@max97livecouk]

​​@@j2k325agreed.. after updating, i tested 4k 60p 10 bit.. result was 1hr 10 mins for me. Waaaayyyy more than enough for my needs.

[@HydeTravelLog]

@@thefilmallianceyes it does help. There are already vdo proof about it.

[@shawnfoodfever]

thanks for sharing😍😍

[@thefilmalliance]

You’re welcome, hope it was helpful

[@hellopsp180]

nice

[@milkiv]

I'm looking to upgrade from my a6300, even after watching this review I'm left a little lost. I want a hybrid photo and video camera with a 60/40 split in those respective categories. But it seems like Sony is too money hungry to make that a reality. You need an FX camera for video and an A camera for photos. The new A7CR leaves a lot to be desired. The R uses pixel binning with no low pass filter, which makes moiré a problem. Slow sensor read out. Yet has RAW video? The A7Cii on the other hand has a sizeable crop which makes you consider the whether that extra price is worth it over the a6700. Both A7C cameras are also limited to 60p. And of course the a6700 doesn't seem like that much of an upgrade from the a6300 especially if you're looking to get into the full frame world.

[@lvc394]

I would rather see how the a7C II and the ZV-E1 compare. I would think Sony just killed the market for the ZV-E1.

[@thefilmalliance]

I’ll have to do that one

[@oakacregardening4693]

This one too 🎉

[@brennanIX]

I think the A7C R is kind of stupid. It's too much camera to put in such a small body. It kind of is a waste of the maximum potential. I feel like if you want a camera of this spec, you probably want it for professional use, and in that case it would make more sense to go full size. It has a really high pixel density as well, the same as the a6700, so it's also 26mp in crop mode. Basically the a6700 expanded FoV. The A7C II is great though. Between that and the A6700, I think they are great cameras. The A7C II is a better camera, IMO, for that class of camera. It's just really well rounded, and not such a high spec camera that it's potential is squandered in such a compact body. I just can't wrap my head around the grip choice for the 7C cameras. Why not just use the same body as the 6700? Why downsize the grip on what are essentially the highest level of prosumer cameras. They did it on the a6700, and it's cheaper.

[@RobustArid379]

Who won? Just tell me.

[@thefilmalliance]

You’ll have to watch

[@kaimelis]

Wouldn't the A7CII vs 6700 be a more apt comparison? "Why" even compare it to the R? Just because you can? There is barely any actual reason to do that. Such a well made, well paced video, but ultimately pointless. And no you probably don't have the resources or the point to make the more reasonable comparison now that this one is out... EDIT: found the latest much shorter video on that comparsion.

[@kaimelis]

Also, gyroflow is much superior to catalyst browse and also free.

[@henakos]

A7rv and a7cr has 1,2x crop with 4k60, so you can use easily apsc lenses with it. And you can get little bit wider view angle than apsc crop.

[@thefilmalliance]

The pre production unit I had, did 0% crop in 4K 60

[@henakos]

@@thefilmalliance 🤔 that's better than a7rv.

[@cameraprepper7938]

Very odd to compare a 61 megapixels full frame Camera with a 36 megapixels APSC camera, it is like comparing a bicycle with a car !

[@thefilmalliance]

You would think so but the images speak differently

[@cameraprepper7938]

@@thefilmalliance In your dream !!! I have the Sony A7RIV and the A7RIVA, if I use them in APSC mode, then it is exactly the same as the A6700 because it is the same sensor tech. So print a very large image from 26 megapixel and 61 megapixels, if you cannot see the difference, I think you need glasses.

[@bkrobertsproduction9222]

Second this

[@thefilmalliance]

Thanks

[@InTheVise]

First!

[@thefilmalliance]

Hey thanks for showing up

[@Old-School-Liberal]

say NO to Sony cameras