Sony Playstation Made A Mistake Betting On Live Service Games

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[@kobra6660]

I can see marathon being canceled with how far it's pushed back

[@jrich6660]

Ugh, Sony increased the size of their development studios while many are still working on triple A single player titles. Sucker Puncher, Naughty Dog released their games in 2020 and development cycle for triple A titles is 3 years. Days Gone started working on a new IP shortly after. SMS and GG launched their games this generation. Insomniac released Spider- Man 2 and they're working on Wolverine next. You really need to some more research.

[@Antronix3]

They were basically making the same mistake EA made when they were trying to strong-arm the industry to online multiplayer only.

[@jordanking7711]

And online only too

[@Antronix3]

@@jordanking7711 my mistake, thanx

[@jordanking7711]

@@Antronix3 No problem. And when I say online only in general , think of SimCity 2013 or the rebooted NFS game.

[@matthewhardwick8208]

They really thought buying Bungie was going to solve their live service initiative? This was a reality check moment for Sony that to make just 1 successful live service is incredibly difficult.

[@DaveGX]

Bro, let’s face it, they had no choice. We all knew they were a dud from the very beginning. $ony couldn’t afford Activision/Blizzard/King anyway if they tried. 😂 Plus knowing all the dirty practice $ony’s been pulling, Acti/Blizz/King or we’d all be in worlds of trouble because $ony would be in way over their heads.

[@TheHOOfan1]

Destiny fans haven't exactly been fond of Bungie recently either and Destiny 2 has gone so far down the rabbit hole that it actively turns away new players. I'm not sure Bungie was the right team to turn to in order to figure out how to make a widely appealing online game

[@Comatosedpeanut]

@@DaveGXblizzard and Activision suck bro.

[@DaveGX]

@@TheHOOfan1 SO TRUE! Man I’m SO ready to just END Destiny 2 after they finally release The Final Shape. I couldn’t care LESS about this stupid “episodes” crap hey want to carry out. Like seriously, WHAT real stories are they going to elk in the aftermath instead of just letting Destiny DIE in peace already, especially while trying to revitalize an old dud IP Marathon?? I ain’t interested in OLD OR PVP focuses nonsense!

[@karimcheese7257]

Honestly I'm so happy that these companies are actually feeling the negative effects of their stupid greedy decisions

[@Flyon86]

Everyone sees how much money GTA Online makes and think "Gee, we could make a version of that." What they don't realize is there's only ever going to be a handful of live service games that are insanely profitable and the vast majority fail. It's like the mid to late 2000s when there were a ton of WOW knockoffs that all failed.

[@captaindestruction9332]

@@Flyon86not to mention most of the live service games that succeed have backup plans(GTA online has the single player portion) or the focus was never to be live service from the start. Look at Fortnite or even GTA Online, both started off as single player/co op focused experiences. Both grew from established games or games with a fall back if the live service part failed. And some that became popular had years of development before becoming big(launching and having to fix things before people wanted to play them).

[@Flyon86]

@@captaindestruction9332 Yeah, even Rockstar can't catch lightning in a bottle twice. Look at how Red Dead Online never really took off like GTA online did.

[@urk5204]

I like how the company that saw so much success and critical acclaim for its first party single player experiences decided to throw all of that away and produce live-service multiplayer garbage

[@nicholasgakuu5223]

Because in the end cod was the moneymaker...it dont matter how much praise u get if u got nothing from it..and now cod is owned by microsoft sony dont want to depend on cod anymore.

[@kimblem.w9952]

They got cocky again like they did during the PS3 era. The PS4 days were a return to old with Sony going back to their roots and producing good first party games but the PS5 era has just been a mess since 2020

[@TakaChan569]

Wth is wrong with you people, in what way have they thrown anything away. They are still making single player game, and are just adding to that library...I hate the internet😂.

[@SilverJoystix]

Every company wants the success of Fortnite and COD. Unfortunately, none of these companies are run by men who care more about gamers than they do profit margins.

[@syminite1]

Those Sony exclusives weren't successful, Playstation has been surviving off Cod for Almost 20 years now. It's Cod and not their precious exclusives that has kept them in the game.

[@corey2232]

The fact Sony is developing *TWELVE* live service games is already a bad sign. But knowing they plan to release 6 of them just next year is actually insane! Side note: Microsoft actually had a pretty good year overall. Starfield, Hi-Fi Rush & Forza is a really good sign, especially as all their acquisitions are starting to bear fruit. I don't have an Xbox, but as a PC guy, I've enjoyed their PC output quite a lot this year.

[@Daakist]

Gamers should absolutely punish any company putting out live service games. It may take some time but eventually most gamers can spot the garbage value.

[@ravee-eh4dd]

Half of gamers are to stupid to realize bad business they will still eat it up

[@StreetFighterObsessed]

Sony just admitted that they are working on 11 separate Live Service Games but only six will be available to play by 2026. By the time the rest come out PS6 will be out. 😂😂

[@GrandmasterArk]

That and some of them might not even last long enough before they eventually shut down, which in turn will leave the PS5 players with… you guessed it, no games to play.

[@StreetFighterObsessed]

@@GrandmasterArk you are right. That's very likely to happen

[@batmanreborn81]

I hope Sony learns from this mistake and get back on track and focus on making awesome AAA games again for what they are known for.

[@jordanking7711]

With Jim Ryan STILL there, doubt it. But you are spot on.

[@captaindestruction9332]

Dont even need to be AAA. They need to go back to the PS2/PS3 era and just start cranking out fun unique experiences. Games like Parapa the Rappa or Little Big Planet, Fat Princess etc. games that ooze personality and risk taking that the Current Playstation would never ever touch.

[@batmanreborn81]

When you think about it those were good times @@captaindestruction9332

[@Jolis_Parsec]

You know Rich, I don’t think Jimbo Ryan really knew what he was doing when he got the previous head honcho’s job, as he made a lot of terrible decisions that would put Don Mattrick to shame. 😂

[@kobra6660]

Jim Ryan is the Don mattick of playstatipn

[@mrpyrostorm3165]

​@@kobra6660 I know this was likely a spelling mistake, but I can't stop laughing at how you wrote playstation. Err mah gerd playstatipn😂

[@kobra6660]

@mrpyrostorm3165 I was watching this on my phone not used to sending comments on phone hate how small the layout is

[@mrpyrostorm3165]

@@kobra6660 it's all good. You gave me a great chuckle.

[@joshbarkley4403]

this disaster is the best thing that could have happened for the consumer, this should surly convince them to go back to single player stuff that people actually, you know, like

[@TNTITAN]

What I find funny is they made the bet at the exact time live service was collapsing. It would be like starting a rental video shop today.

[@17JordanHM17]

When there is like a couple live service games, its ok, but now almost EVERY game now(like 90%) has to become live service and its killing gaming

[@SynthLizard8]

Ain't it funny that somehow the "safest" path forward for Publishers always ends up being the most risky?

[@barcster2003]

It's because it's all about making a quick buck or money forever and companies don't understand the true effort needed.

[@youngc570]

Sony is so screwed and caught between a rock and a hard place. Their single player movie game exclusives aren't very profitable and Jim Ryan's like 5 years too late to the live service game 😄

[@krisdahlin4386]

Lmao talk about being clueless. You realize they just announced a record breaking 2nd quarter right? How about that they have sold over 46 million ps5s? How about they are still on track to sell 25 million consoles this fiscal yr, which would be another playstation record. How about Spiderman 2 sold 5 million copies in 10 days. Quarter 3 and quarter 4 are going to be MASSIVE for playstation. Lmao xbox only wishes they could could be screwed like that.

[@droid4d279]

People still buy them but nobody wants them anymore

[@tedmanutd4668]

​@@krisdahlin4386 who cares, when Microsoft can buy them at any-time 😂😂

[@krisdahlin4386]

@tedmanutd4668 and yet they can't manage to even finish 2nd in any console generation. Yes they have the money, it's clearly the talent that they lack. Lol

[@StarkZaku]

​@@krisdahlin4386clearly sony knows sometging you dont which is why they are in a desperate situation. Clearly those sales dont tell the entire picture.

[@PASSION4GAMIN]

Sony have made the right decision, i really can't stand live service games we need more triple a games eg. Single player games. 🐔

[@jamiesucie2685]

I disagree, it’s because Sony spent all their time fighting the Microsoft/Activision acquisition.

[@discod992]

We all were screaming this from the start. Live Service destroys everything.

[@The_Keh27]

Personally I HATE live service games. Just like MMOs, it requires a lot of time and near devotion to play, foregoing other games. And that's the issue - people can only really invest so much time into gaming, they can't very well invest in all of them at the same time. If Sony could find one that has great potential and back that one heavily, then perhaps it could become huge.

[@EvilHienSan]

Warframe and PSO2 were pretty good. Got very far in both and never spent a dime in either.

[@awkc63]

PlayStation first started having issues back in 2016, and they haven't gotten any better since.

[@darthmisogyny3828]

Shouldve never gave up on MP games after the ps3

[@cyphaborg6598]

Sony does realize that even a veteran (well compared to many others) like Bungie is not having the easiest time with just 1 game. They want 6?, how does Bungie have THAT expertise to make 6 of them work? I can't believe they actually thought it was a feasible idea,holy macaroni.

[@TheCrabCoreKing]

I think its more a shot in the dark. Releasing a lot of service games in the hope that 1 or 2 become a huge hit

[@cyphaborg6598]

Sure but I think it's wise to not spread them all thin. despite what many think Destiny was a very expensive game to make.@@TheCrabCoreKing

[@TheCrabCoreKing]

@@cyphaborg6598 i totally agree

[@zacharybecker8228]

its cus they see how much bungie monetizes destiny and delivered the bare minimum product for years just raking in the money; not that they made a good game

[@FoxUnitNell]

​@@TheCrabCoreKingthinking the same thing, a single successful live service can cover the cost of the development of 6 or 8 live service games plus whatever lack dlc and micro transactions they sell. The money on merchandise on that one live service game is the money they would chase for profits,.

[@johnpenguinthe3rd13]

I play all types of games from all types of genres and have played live service games. Making 12 live service games at the same time (almost half of them coming out during the same year) is a SERIOUS mistake for the following reason: it's IMPOSSIBLE to play that many live service games at the same time. Even if I wanted to, it's NOT possible due to the amount of hours each of them take. If they are smart, only make ONE (and ONLY one) live service game (make it special) and turn the others into SINGLE player experiences (want to add OPTIONAL multiplayer? That's fine. But prioritizing SINGLE player experiences with NO microtransactions would bring them more money. Releasing 12 live service games will cause all those games to cannibalize each others sales since it's impossible to play that many on a regular basis. Not to mention having that many will make them all less important, also resulting in lower sales and all 12 games getting their servers shutdown at rapid speeds). So in review, take 11 of those 12 games and turn them into single player focused games (which is the formula that has worked for Playstation for decades) and take only ONE (and ONLY one) of those games and turn it into the best live service game they can, making it special.

[@evillecaston]

The problem is that their signature "blockbuster" games take too much time and money to produce. Even if they're profitable, Sony wants more at the end of the day. As for why they're doing a 180 into live services...I have no idea. Maybe they think by brute forcing so many live services, at least one will succeed? I imagine Sony will be in for a rude awakening, if they can even get any live services out the door at this rate...

[@johnpenguinthe3rd13]

@@evillecaston Honestly, it sounds like someone came up with the absurdly horrible strategy to start brute forcing as many live service games as possible to see if they can get one that will succeed. However, whoever came up with that horrible strategy doesn't realize that if they release the first five or six (of their 12) live service games in ONE year (which is a terrible mistake since many live service games tend to cannibalize each other since gamers only have so many hours and money to support a single live service game, let alone multiple at once) it's going to result in ALL of those games not making enough profits, resulting in ALL their servers getting shutdown pretty fast. Once people start seeing that the player counts are near dead, they will assume that the servers might get shut down and will stay clear of ALL of them (every single one of them is going to get hit with that stigma, resulting in ALL of them failing and dying). It's almost a guarantee they will end up having 12 financial bombs on their hands. If they only release ONE (and only ONE) live service game and devote to making that ONE live service game as special as possible and with a guaranteed long term plan (where even if it's not financially successful at first and gets tons of hatred at launch, they can devote their time to fixing the game and making it better, kind of like what happened with Fallout 76 where the first two years of that game during 2018 and 2019 were a freaking disaster but they eventually turned it around and made it a much better game with the 2020 and 2021 Wastelanders and Steel Reign updates and they have the Atlantic City updates for next month and next year ready to go) that would be much better since people know that the servers won't get shutdown in one year and that the game will get updates for years and will be more willing to give the game a chance at some point in time. But brute forcing 12 live service game is going to result in 12 financial flops. Brute forcing multiple live service games isn't going to work.

[@evillecaston]

@@johnpenguinthe3rd13 Maybe Sony is delusional and/or arrogant enough to think they'll knock them all out of the park, despite all evidence otherwise. I wouldn't put it past Jim Ryan, at the very least. This will be his legacy, after all.

[@johnmartinez-valentin5427]

What sony should do is let people test demo some of the live service games 🎮 in order to find out if people will like them or not

[@ancientgamer2386]

I have Playstations since the beginning, but when Sony increased Playstation Plus Essential by $20 for nothing that was it. I cancelled Playstation Plus and my PS5 will sit in its unopened box indefinitely. At least Sony is saving me money from now on and I will probably never go back.

[@Shiver_Bane]

It's sad to see Sony doing this to itself. I guess this what Phil meant that Nintendo and Playstation was under the Xbox family umbrella, "join us on online, give us your money becasue you don't have a choice, and in return you get nothing."

[@DawnOfTheOzz]

I suppose Sony's push towards live services was a response to Microsoft basically swallowing Activision Blizzard into their ecosystem fearing that the COD cash-cow would be cut off from them, but that doesn't explain everyone else thinking they could make a live service that could compete with Fortnite or Rainbow Six Siege. I mean, Sega pulled the plug on Hyenas before it even had a chance to possibly recoup the money spent on developing.

[@AboveAverageChaos]

Sony being the "Current" market leader thought w/e they chose to do WAS the future of the industry while ignoring the terrible track record of live service games, without much surprise it seems those live service games they wanted to invest in will fail before even launching. *insert phil laugh*

[@BobbyMoore2-mp8wb]

Physical media is here to stay

[@syminite1]

Soon all Sony exclusives will be on Gamepass. 😊😊😊

[@mormacfey]

or on Steam.

[@Crownerased]

You can keep dreaming

[@syminite1]

@Crownerased Give us your precious exclusives Sony citizen!! You are powerless to resist the omnipotent wave of the Mighty X Clan! Our victories speak for themselves. Ftc, Cma, Jim Ryan, Dreamcast guy, Mbg, ALL Defeated by the X clan@😃😃 Join us. 🙂🙂

[@lozifor]

I think the future of gaming are devices like the steam deck type of devices with games you actually own. Not this horrible business model of games as a service. Sony screwed up every portable console they have made, so I think they are slated to fail.

[@markmerkin3701]

Bungie did it to themselves with LightFail and the whole bringing challenge back campaign they’ve since tripled down on and just made content that was normally fun and rewarding into a total slog with bad mechanics and glitches like dying from performing a finisher that they haven’t fixed for over a year.

[@felixgijon8621]

This sounds a lot like the desire of “infinite growth”. There’s only so much time your target demographic can spend in a game.

[@ariyanadumon4549]

I am absolutely baffled at why they thought this was a good plan 😅

[@MWilmott]

I fully realize that I have been a Bungie Fanboy since the original Marathon trilogy, but even I recognize that Bungie capturing lightning in a bottle with Destiny was nothing short of a miracle. I am deeply concerned about the new Marathon being able to do the same, or Sony being able to make something from the Bungie acquisition.

[@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT]

Tbh I’m not against Sony trying to make A live service game. A GAME, not 6 or 11.

[@christopherlewis6915]

Delays mean the games get more time and im all for it. Can't wait to get back to them ps3 days where we had both multiplayer and single player.

[@psychomantys902]

not always the case

[@Nonx47]

Not always the best thing. More time for a better game is only good if the company can give time without being too pissed off about potential lost revenue for losing time. Sony is known for being stupidly greedy, so they're going to milk that live service so hard because of all the delays. Good luck to you.

[@mslay-ultra1802]

It’s crazy how much the momentum has shifted towards Xbox. PlayStation isn’t as bad as 2013 Xbox, but it’s not for a lack of trying.

[@OledBurnInKing]

Get rid of micro transactions and drm completely. For example, the 90s era of movies, music and video games did not have drm and micro transactions. I wish the modern era was like the era of the 90s. Greed and monopoly is becoming too common nowadays. Unfortunately, the consumers are like stuck between a rock and a hard place. Let's say, hypothetically there are 50 places to choose from and eat but you keep changing your mind about what you want. It's like choosing what kind of food places to go eat at and you are hungry but can't decide on what to eat and you will eat anything because you are hungry.

[@mormacfey]

The 1990s movies definitely had copy protection and so did games. DRM is just an evolution of that copy protection.

[@OledBurnInKing]

@@mormacfey The games for the older consoles like the original playstation can be jail broken and play burned copies of games. Even the original xbox can be modded to play burned copies of the original xbox. One of the video game stores that I shop at has pokemon games for the gameboy advance that are modded and have roms added to them. The employee at the video game store told me about it when I asked him about it. There is software that can remove the copy protected from movies. One of the portable consoles was running linux from a raspberry pie and the raspberry pie looked like a tiny super nintendo that was playing super nintendo roms.

[@mormacfey]

@@OledBurnInKing Yeah and DRM is also cracked today. You can buy HDMI cords that remove their DRM. You can download cracks for current games that have DRM on PC. You said "movies, music and video games did not have drm and micro transactions." You're wrong on both accounts. Even micro transactions started in the 1990s. I was there, I remember them. It wasn't as much as it is now, but they were there. They were called DLCs. I run a PC and handheld that can play everything from the 1970s-current gens. You can play all the old nintendo roms even on your phone these days, including the PS1, PS2, NES, SNES, etc. not hard, you just install the emulator app and load up the rom.

[@mormacfey]

@@OledBurnInKing I have a SNES, Sega Genesis, PS2, Ps3. both the SNES & Sega have a cartridge with an SD card in them with the entire libraries of games. The PS2 & PS3 are jailbroken and have their entire libraries on a large HDD inside them. No need to burn a disc.

[@OledBurnInKing]

@@mormacfey I still use optical discs since hdd and ssd can fail at anytime. I still have my old optical cds that I burned years ago and they still work and I use optical discs for archiving data. I still buy cds. I prefer physical copies for movies, music and video games. You can download music online but certain albums were only released on physical formats like vinyl and never released a digital version online since the artist wanted certain albums to be bought with physical copies. I stopped using hdd and I switched to ssd full time for mainly copying and pasting 4k movies and other large files and playing games on pc. Hdd is too slow for copying and pasting large files and they take too long for loading games. I need the fastest ssds plus ssds have come down in price over the years compared to when ssds first came out. For my 4k discs, there is any dvd to remove the copy protection and it even decrypts the movies. Everytime I rip my physical copies of my 4k, blu ray and dvd discs. I only use the iso format since I want an exact duplicate copy of the physical discs including all the menus, extra features, delete scenes etc. and I save them to my micro sd card and watch them on my sony xperia 1 iv android phone from it's 4k 120 hz oled display. I play emulators on my phone. I'm still looking for the crysis remastered nintendo switch rom since there is a nintendo switch emulator for android. I'm curious about how crysis remastered the nintendo switch version will perform on my phone when playing in 4k. I hope that the winlator emulator for android will be updated to support game controllers. You can play mass effect 2 and fallout 3 locally from the winlator emulator for android. I hope one day there will be an original xbox emulator for android. I wanna be able to play the original halo and ninja gaiden on android and other original xbox classic games.

[@youngc570]

OK Pony Defense Media, there's no positive way to spin it. Either its Sony's fault for all these mass layoffs, or they threw 3.6 billion down the toilet panic buying Bungie. Which is it? (the latter is a much worse prospect for Sony)

[@emilybaxterthecartoonywitc1805]

Just keep the focus on single player games. That's what most people want and where your Fandom came from

[@mattmas6628]

It’s a slap in the face that Last of Us Factions was cut from TLOU2 only to be turned into an online casino. Then it gets canned because the slot machines weren’t adequately rigged

[@JohnSmith-xq1pz]

That whole game was a slap in the face, or rather a golf club...

[@Jolis_Parsec]

Gotta make sure the virtual Skinner boxes are properly calibrated in order to get goofballs with more money than common sense hooked securely. I’m surprised Jimbo didn’t hire somebody from EA to assist in this task. 😆

[@mattmas6628]

@@JohnSmith-xq1pz honestly if you played the first TLOU multiplayer you would feel the loss here. It was really good

[@JohnSmith-xq1pz]

@@mattmas6628 I did... some

[@gaeshows1938]

Who thought Rick was referring to the OnLive service that was around a few years ago?

[@jeankirchstein2552]

This is basically the fortnite trend all over again there's far too many live service games on the market that it's oversaturated I mean how many of these live service games got cancelled these past couple of months? A lot

[@saintofthemosthigh82]

Thanks Rich for the content

[@mathewhex7045]

Darktide is a live service and is better for it. Not all live service games are a nightmare but they are certainly prone to it and it's a model that is easily abused because it takes continual development money and it's tempting to skimp on that and pocket or book the differences

[@styeiwehdeisfdo]

These 3rd party AAA exclusives take over 3 years to develop and produce. If Sony has mostly live service games in the pipeline right now it could be a matter of years to pivot back to publishing single player Sony games. That's a pretty big drought.

[@csharp3884]

Yeah, that’s like rest of this generation.

[@antnuh765]

I don't mind live service games necessarily, but a single company planning to put out TEN of them within the next five years is ludicrous. PS players might choose like one or two they like and never touch the others and then Sony will be left with 8 expensive money sinks. Even if Marathon or Factions does really well out the gate, their profits will have to make up for the 8 other DOA live service games in development. If this initiative at Sony is being done for profit and not for engagement and pushing the PS ecosystem they're in for a really rude awakening.

[@daebromback8604]

I want to point out one major oversight you made which is that many games are moving to unreal 5 like bungies marathon you mentioned for instance.i would argue that developers openly stating that using a new engine like ue5 have created many challenges that has lead to far less titles being released on the new gen consoles as you pointed out in the video

[@Sir.YeetusIII]

Damn rich has been playing Astros playroom for over a year at this point 💀

[@HDgamingNate]

I didn't buy a PlayStation 5 to play multiplayer games anyways so this is great news.

[@alargefarva4274]

Rich tomorrow: Why I love live service games

[@josueveguilla9069]

"Well, imagine my shock?" - Paul Joseph Watson

[@ShockinglyBleh]

Instead of working on more features for PS5 they decided to flush millions of dollars down the drain for live service games no one is going to play. SIE is in for a real awakening, maybe Sony will bring SIE back to Japan after all this.

[@BrianCroweAcolyte]

Cloud gaming isn't going to take over anything Rich. What's more economic, putting a data center in every town to reduce the abhorrent input lag and compression artifacts down to something less abhorrent, or selling everyone a $500 box every 5-8 years that the end user is paying the power and internet bills for? (game streaming is a total electricity and bandwidth hog compared to just uploading the game maybe a few times per user, and bandwidth is not free.) Game streaming is maxed out at 1080p 60fps, I tried 4K game streaming and it looked worse than local 1080p native. People don't realize that the HDMI cable going from their console/PC to their screen has up to 48gbps going through it depending on the devices. I can pay $300 a month for 10gbps internet if I want, and that's not even a fourth the bandwidth that HDMI 2.1 has lol

[@dapperfan44]

We tried to tell them that over on the Blog, but they arent listening to us.

[@Adromelk]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Hard for me to feel bad for them for doing this.

[@LexTheMeister]

I can't be the only one that just ditched their ps plus lol

[@anthonyregino3616]

This gave me flashbacks from Xbox 2013 e3 event…

[@Creeper_ofDoom]

Sony is trying their hardest to make more money after many situations. They increase the price of PS Plus, They Release the PS5 Slim with a higher price, The Disc Drive on the Slim required an internet connection to activate (Which will be a big problem for video game preservation), and now this

[@haniespanieldollis]

You shaved your side beard. Looks good 😊

[@grgamer8470]

1:23 i had to turn the cc on to be sure he said that: Are you insane Richard?! 5 million copies for the most hyped playstation exclusive game of the 2023 in a 30 million ps5 units sold can be stated as successful launch? It should be at least 12 million copies.

[@xxnike0629xx]

Focusing so much on Live Services was a bad move; probably one that costed PlayStation a lot. Besides the excuse of difficulty traveling, I wouldn't be surprised if Jim Ryan is 'retiring' as a cost cutting measure. I do agree that PlayStation should shift focus to more _First Person_ 😏 (First Party) AAA games instead of Live Services.

[@seanw1783]

I just don't understand where they think large and consistent player bases will come from. There just isn't enough gamers to support this many live service games coming out so close to each other.

[@confusedsiren56]

I could see marathon releasing in Q1 2025 at the earliest

[@DR2420RD]

Rich should become a financial advisor at Sony

[@Mark-xl3ns]

Never played on an online game not since the Dreamcast 😍

[@barcster2003]

I don't think companies understand the effort they will need for live service successes

[@JohnSmith-xq1pz]

Just the latest in a ever growing lineup of mistakes...

[@d.c.stranded7134]

It's not just AAA games though, Sony been slipping when it comes to more budget titles particularly after they shut down Sony Studios Japan, I think they need a healthy mix of AAA, small budget and even a couple of live service games to have a diverse and worthwhile selection of titles for the PlayStation ecosystem and if not then they tripping

[@droid4d279]

They dropped the ball on Media Molecule Dreams

[@ItsTheCostanza]

Rich tommorow: i used to like sidescrollers but noooooooo they are right wing. So scary

[@bradams1854]

Its amazing how, when literally everybody tells Sony "Hey, if you remake Bloodborne, we will give you all the money you could ever dream of!" and, instead of doing the easy thing that will make them all the money they could ever dream of, they just keep trying to make a bunch of live services that are becoming less and less popular by the day. Like, they could make more money with a 0 effort port of Bloodborne to PC than they will ever make on Destiny even before accounting for how much they spent acquiring Bungie. I wonder how they stay afloat when they seem so against making money.

[@mormacfey]

feces float usually.

[@sly2076]

The best time for Playstation to release a live service game was...5 years ago

[@AndersonClips]

they didn't really have a choice with 2 of their last first party games flopping because of the overblown budget they were given.

[@brettcummings6625]

Jim ryan was fired. They said either you step down or you're fired.

[@landonl958]

Living in a country where the internet is 3rd world, possibly 5th world, is a massive problem for streaming any game. Physical copies only, please.

[@Cynim]

I pray to GOD that Nintendo doesn’t go down the route of live service games. Maybe just one or two max, but don’t bank on that. You could argue that Splatoon 3 is a “live service”-ish game, so we’re good!

[@user-kc6tm2fl1h]

Yeah it's tough to compete when you're up against a company who instead of making games just buys up all the competition with their endless money that they did not make in the games industry.

[@Tylerstoessel]

I think people are forgetting about this. They are still making there big Triple A games but also live service games on top of it.

[@manticore199]

Sony's investors must be really pushing them to make as much money as possible since the Microsoft + Activision deal was approved. "Hey Sony, where's our 69 billion dollars? Oh, you don't have it? MAKE IT NOW!"

[@ItsTheCostanza]

Jay predicted the future

[@captaindestruction9332]

Instead of buying Bungie they should’ve went out and bought a handful of small/indie game studios. Pump some money in to them and have them just start cranking out games. 1-2 big games a year with 1-2 smaller games each quarter would be insane and much more feasible. Would also help them combat the inevitable onslaught of games coming from Xbox in the coming years.

[@kobra6660]

Sony buying bet on the wrong horse buying bungie and wasted to much time to chase microsoft

[@MackDaddyVic]

I just want good quality games made with passion again. We get them every now and then these days but not nearly at the volume we used to. Thank god for Max Payne and MGS3 remakes maaan.

[@RenHeika]

Gonna be honest the only reason I was gonna get a PlayStation recently was because of how good they were at first party, now I've decided against it and am just gonna wait for the games to come to PC

[@GloryGeist]

how many 6’s did you just say, demon.

[@GhostRydr1172]

Jim Ryan didn't "retire". After this embarrasment of a year for Sony, he was in all likelihood retired by being privately fired.

[@brandongovreau9218]

a long time ago I seen a guy I'm not sure if it's you but I think it was a guy that looks like you or not and it was a director on a adult movie I got to say that explains your personality 😅

[@NostalgiaNet8]

People are already leaving, and it's gonna be difficult getting back that talent.

[@DaveGX]

I wouldn’t call Marathon as a delay as they only BUST announced it this year. Not a CHANCE they have it ready to launch next year. I’m most definitely not investing in it, though, because I ain’t about investing in revival of old/outdated IPs. Just saying.

[@mudachaproductions]

"... Ensure these games are enjoyed by gamers for a long time." Note he didn't say forever, just "a long time". Long enough to spend every last penny you have before the servers shut down.

[@ivanjovanovic7118]

Bravo, agree. We are buying PlayStation only for third person single player storydriven adventures and RPGs with realistic next gen visuals cinematic cutscenes quicktime events and straight romances, I sold my Xbox Series X no need for cheap PC

[@akumagouki8668]

Bring back review tech Canada Fatman!!!

[@brimbles4999]

speaking of xbox, didnt they get faced with this exact same reality during the days of xbox one? sea of thieves and halo 5? along with the original console announcement making it more of a service platform in general? people complain about halo infinites monetisation but it's so much more tame than a lot of live service games (but xbox is still dealing with the issues even a more tame live service brings) so it is weird sony execs would look at that fire and repeat the same mistakes

[@djukor]

Seams like a lot of Japanese companies seam to be getting on to trends the moment the trends become unpopular. Like how Sqenix decided to invest in to blockchain right after NFT bubble burst. To be fair this was probably a decision of the western gaming branch of as Sony kinda doesn't even care about Japans market anymore.

[@kevinracine3839]

While i agree live service sucks it makes money, i also dont think there entire library is going to be live service. Just because they only announced those doesnt mean there is more other types of games coming. They are a big company and we will continue to see the first party AAA games and games that they take chances on.

[@MrNickster12345]

Bungie should bring some old games back like Oni!

[@DANAFANBOY]

Sony Playstation will continue to make worse decisions and their loyal fanboys will still defend them to the end no matter what.

[@KevinT1149]

I don’t hate live service idea. A game I enjoy that’s constantly updated is fine but it’s the greed by the companies that ruin them. Avengers is the big example of we promised so many updates but people wanted to buy MCU costumes for 15 bucks a piece and well “live service everyone!” If you want to do right for your fan base it’s updating the game in a way players want to come back and play that game. A game like No Mans Sky say that was released with the features it promised and didn’t have to go free update dlc quality if you had these updates of the magnitude being released over the span of 7 years obviously keeping the game alive and giving fans content after content then I’m ok with paying for that work. Except NMS released in a bad state and in order to do right to gamers all it had to be free. But keeping a couple guys in the office modeling MCU costumes for your game probably all at once and release it over time does not justify a 15 dollar price tag yeah those people are still working but when you opt out to actual cutscenes for com I book style cutscenes in the later campaigns shows the laziness of a live service game and that’s what is not wanted.

[@scarrantsandreviews]

Sony has one off year and its doom and gloom. From the leaks we know that most of the live service games are either from new studios like Firewalk (Concord), Firesrpite (Twisted Metal), Haven (Fairgames) etc. Or they're from second-party studios like Arrowhead. Of the GaaS games we know of that are from first-party, we know most of those studios also have traditional single player games in development. Naughty Dog has at least one, maybe two, games in development aside from The Last of Us multiplayer project. Heavily rumored to be The Last of Us 3 and a new IP. And they're also supposedly assisting Visual Arts Group on Uncharted 5. Guerrilla has that multiplayer Horizon game and probably Horizon 3. The only studios who might exclusively be doing live service games are Studio London and Media Molecule. Which, when's the last time we got something that isn't Singstar or a VR game from Studio London. A GaaS might be an upgrade for them. And MM is unclear. Their game may or may not be GaaS. Even their new studio Firesprite, which is maybe doing a GaaS Twisted Metal, is also doing a new first-person survival horror game. Santa Monica is confirmed to have been working on a second game alongside God of War Ragnarok. Likely a new IP from Cory Barlog. And they may also have a God of War half-sequel similar to Lost Legacy/Miles Morales too. None of these things are concretely announced but neither are these GaaS games that are being called a "mistake" already. The doom and gloom is so overblown.