Sony Wants You To Pirate Their Stuff...

[@SomeOrdinaryGamers]

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[@Cr1ptlord]

Ok

[@KrystalRed]

Ok

[@ForestGrieferMC_YT]

Hi

[@Fungfetti]

No

[@snide0]

Ok

[@PlayerOne.StartGame]

Gabe Newell said years ago: "The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates."

[@Gadottinho]

well, this is what happens when they can't make a better service, lol

[@lycanwarrior2137]

You mean the company and service (Valve/Steam) that essentially killed off the physical market for PC games?

[@pold111]

and yet a specific group of people decided, "let's make denuvo and fuck over every single person's performance"

[@DeadPhoenix86DP]

@@lycanwarrior2137 PC is an open platform. Much easier to preserve games.

[@Derivedwhale45]

Nope, never worked just strong & powerful DRM will keep those pesky pirates at bay. Always has, always will be, perfect example is Denuvo, a powerful DRM system so strong that the moment it was introduced 5+ years ago, a large group of Chinese pirates came out & said "we couldn't Crack a game". That was the moment piracy started to die for good & now most people are rather move on from piracy in general these days & ain't worth it like it used to be rightfully so

[@mikedude2724]

If buying doesn't mean owning... ...then stealing isn't piracy. It's not theft. We are just "acquiring" things we purchased.

[@Zeppathy]

S-trategically T-ransfer E-quipment to A-lternate L-ocation.

[@Moose_vk]

Like their attorneys wouldn't try and claim that you're paying to access their product and that you're still liable for damages through some clause in the terms

[@Dexcalibur420]

If you've genuinely purchased the content in any form, I think it's a genuine moral argument that piracy of a previously purchased product is simply "reacquiring" what you already own. Not that the legal system would see it that way. This is not legal advice. Do not argue this in a court of law.

[@ghostbirdlary]

idc. lawyers dont come after consumers of pirated content basically ever.@@Moose_vk

[@billyj.causeyvideoguy7361]

@khightofjustice2828tell me you have no idea what the topic is. Lol. Stuff people bought with their own money is being removed from redownload.

[@eligoldman9200]

The fact that you can buy somthing and then have someone else say actually you can’t have what you bought anymore isn’t considered stealing is wild to me.

[@tofuuwu7352]

I was watching a paid series on Apple TV and when the service expired and I didnt pay the mensual service, I can't access the series I paid for anymore. Man, what a fraud 😞 I mean, that was expensive and I CAN'T ACCESS TO THE CONTENT

[@EL-ISS]

​​@@tofuuwu7352One time payments and service payments are different. These gaming companies aren't going out of their way (besides Microsoft Game Pass) to express that you do not own but are accessing through the service. Sony, Steam, Ubisoft and the grand majority of publishers aren't stating from the get go "hey you do not own our products you are simply paying for the access to them." Why else do you think they bury it so deep in the terms and conditions? If it isn't such a big deal then that sh*t should be on the FRONT PAGE and made adamantly CLEAR. The reason they don't is because they know the majority of people would call them out and they'd lose billions of dollars. If they want to make it a service so bad, they ought to all go the path of Game Pass, you get a membership, and you get access to the entire games library. THAT'S how a service works, instead they're demanding full price for games and STILL acting as though it's a service. In that case give us a FUCKING hard copy of the game with a CD Key that makes it OUR property.

[@bradenalexander2477]

You didn't buy anything. You bought a digital license.

[@illyrium129]

@@bradenalexander2477 "You didn't buy anything, you just bought something."

[@FindTheTruthBeforeTheEnd]

@@illyrium129😂Right?

[@CheeseREX]

Unless the terms and conditions of the transaction explicitly state "permanent ownership", these companies should be legally required to put the word "Rent" instead of "Purchase". Because that's actually what you're doing with all digitally purchased downloads. You're "Renting" them.

[@jamariiion]

And for games specifically publishers should have to maintain online servers if there were online purchases unless said publisher goes out of business

[@blade8741]

Here's the kicker: it would be considered illegal, because some countries treat the purchase of digital goods as a product, not as a service. Like here, we clearly define renting as something akin to netflix, while purchasing as acquiring a game. It could lead to legal troubles in some parts of the world if they did this.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

10000% agreed.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

@@blade8741 The problem is, the way they're doing it now, STILL breaks laws in many countries. So they're not escaping that either way.

[@Goldfire345]

@@blade8741 they should be forced to make that change because then let them get in trouble for selling a fraudulent service

[@minecraftjunky2001]

It should genuinely be illegal to tell people they're "buying" something from you if you have the ability to just take it away later. If you agreed to buy a car and the dealership quietly signed you up for a lease instead you'd sue them for fraud, and I don't see how this is any different.

[@RT-qz5ci]

Someone needs to sue

[@jmtradbr]

If buying is not owning, pirating is not stealing.

[@SonyaBladesBooty]

You bought a license to use the property. And you were told this upfront.

[@threefiveseven]

No, you bought a perpetual license. Taking away that license is fraud. As has been ruled by the EU supreme court.@@SonyaBladesBooty

[@Elite-nw8fx]

​@@SonyaBladesBootyHow does that World Economic Forum boot taste?

[@SonyaBladesBooty]

@@Littahe doesn't if you read it because you agreed to it when you bought the product

[@SonyaBladesBooty]

@@Elite-nw8fx get rekt, thief

[@PlayerOne.StartGame]

Biggest insult you can give to any media is telling them you wouldn't even pirate it.

[@Gadottinho]

literally any EA game lmao

[@BobGeanis]

​@@Gadottinhoexcept sims

[@Rougrou1597]

@BobGeanis sims 4 is free to play but shit it's over 200 to buy all dlc

[@BobGeanis]

​@@Rougrou1597yeah that's why I said except sims. I had to pirate the sims 2 because I wanted to replay it after so many years.

[@Adamandcalebinc]

Most AAA games that release nowadays would fall into this category for me.

[@Kangiru_Noah]

Slowly deleting physical media is a mistake

[@DJ.1001]

No need for physical media these days. Digital media isn't the problem, cloud hosted "platforms" are the problem, if you host your own media it's as good as physical and more accessible.

[@LegionOfEclaires]

Wait until people find out how many "physical" versions of games don't actually contain the full game, if they even contain it at all, and need an online connection to download their 'physical' game... But hey, at least they own the piece of plastic.

[@AllyMonsters]

@MEMEGUY414 Hold on buddy, while he did over exaggerate the issue in terms of games recently, it definitely was a problem in 2009-2015. As well as day one dlc/updates that continue to this day. Mainly EA and Ubisoft. They literally had games boxes ya could buy that only had a code number to download the game or the dlc for free. Mass Effect 2 and a few Battlefields come to mind as examples. While some games are near unplayable at their base disc versions such as Fallout:New Vegas or more recently Cyberpunk 2077 on ps4/xbox1.

[@gamingcomputers7485]

well i agree in someways unfortauntely the more it goes the more you feel like your freedom is gonna begone the more they force you to use digital stuff and not also physical stuff is the where your freedom will disappear but that's what they want in the end of the day full control on your products and also make you purchase from and if some people disagree with me i respect that but you'll eventually might realize why im saying that

[@121Greenthumb]

No amount of copyright law removal is going to bring back a digital product to an online store..... Besides. Artists have a right to protect their work. When its anti consumer is when it becomes an issue. @@AllyMonsters

[@Davitron_87]

If I purchase something, and the company then removes it from my digital library, regardless of what is stated in the agreement, if I’m not getting any financial compensation, then it’s tantamount to stealing. The laws need to catch up with the digital age and hold these companies accountable.

[@gobalbucs]

No, you’re not entitled to compensation because you never owned the product to begin with. You were renting it, and they can revoke that without penalty whenever they please.

[@sumomaster5585]

@@gobalbucs yeah that's also bs they keep getting away with...

[@Goldfire345]

@@gobalbucs then they should say up front on the purchase page that you are renting that product. not buying the product the button should say rent not buy. It shouldn't be buried in their terms and conditions. it should be front and center plastered in big bold letters so that its impossible to miss. If it is renting a product then they should display it as such. They do not.

[@devincurrie4145]

I wouldn't hold my breath for governments to protect the public as government officials can be bribed and/or in bed with these globalists. Best thing we can do at this point is to allow our relationship to eventually sour with these companies and to vote with our wallet. Once the relationship goes bad, it's hard to regain trust again so really the company should be valuing trust above profit/control if they wish to remain relevant for the long term.

[@TheTwinkelminkelson]

You know, I'm actually glad all this is happening now because I've been railing against this for roughly a whole decade. The fact that so many people are upset about it makes me think that maybe people will FINALLY stop just apologizing for bad business practices and anti-consumer policies just because they get a moment of convenience or a gold star on their profile.

[@p.r.1308]

I think most people just dont care or, lets say, just dont know they dont actually own it because it is not exactly statet. They like to dance around words, just so the averange Joe does not understand what it actually means.

[@RichardKincses]

The most disgusting thing for me is how they phrased it " Thank you for your continued support " As if they were doing a charity work giving you the content and you just gave them money to support them, instead of paying for a service and a media and expect it to be available to you at any given moment from now on.

[@Fondoofus5542]

The fact that this is the same Sony, who said last generation of consoles “you have the right to own and keep your game for how long you want” is now the same company that is willing to take away your right to own your stuff truly is the most ironic shit I’ve ever heard in my entire life.

[@Spock4771]

Blam David zasalov and hbo not sony there the ones forcing sony to do this

[@gavynadcock]

​@@Spock4771How hard does Sony blow you?

[@scratch7971]

Yeah, they saw the xbone backlash and made a split second decision to win that gen. This was always the plan, they just happened to go on stage second

[@MichaelGhost]

GTA 6 better come with a disc

[@scottthewaterwarrior]

​@@Spock4771And who signed that agreement with HBO to have stuff on the store to begin with?

[@ChoneseMann]

If buying isn’t ownership, then piracy isn’t stealing.

[@scottthewaterwarrior]

Like the 50th person I've seen post this, but it still cannot be said enough!

[@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg]

The version of the copyright laws we use were made in the 1900s and don't make ANY sense in today's society.

[@scottthewaterwarrior]

@@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg Actually there have been some edits since, but all just made copyright stray even further from it's original intent of protecting artists. Now it's to protect corperate profits at the _expense_ of artists!

[@neumi569]

Unauthorized reproduction of software or other intellectual property is neither pirating nor stealing :) I think the "pirating" term was made up by BIll Gates, but reproduction of software has nothing to do with pirates, and of course not with stealing. Whatever the judge will book you for, it will not be theft. And most certainly it will not be for running around with a letter from your King (or president) that allows you to attack and rob people from other countries.

[@Komb-Titus]

It's time for the EU Commission to adopt and enforce a Right to Own Digital Products Act! If they can't keep them on their server, then they should remove the DRM and put them on the Internet Archive.

[@awolsam]

This situation is weird, I think Sony never even negotiated a lifetime license for the content in the first place. And they just bet on not enough people would care or notice the removal. In comparison to how this should be done, Steam still has all the movies available for download they sold back in the day even though removed from the store.

[@Illuminationsfromtheattic]

When companies behave like this, any moral qualms regarding piracy are invalidated.

[@johnsober]

​@@Kamawan0the blame first and foremost lies with the party committing the act. The ceo and board of Sony could have a moral backbone and choose to not exploit the complacency of the masses. The only merit in blaming the masses for their complacency is derived from the fact that expecting companies or whatever party, who are capitalistic, to act morally or ethically is pointless because them acting in such ways would be uncapitalistic. However, not expecting is not the same as not blaming or not holding accountable. The thing is, you're saying blame the masses when 1) mutar shows us that there are companies, and big ones at that, who are pretty fair when it comes to digital media 2) people are outraged about what Sony is doing Sure, there is a valid argument to be made about people accepting Sony's ToS in the first place.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

@@Kamawan0 Nah, I blame the big corporation that's actually doing it. The masses that "don't care" by and large don't know.

[@zboy1775]

Technically, piracy isn’t stealing if nobody gets to own them.

[@zboy1775]

holy shit i just realized how much this blew up

[@josephb8268]

Sometimes buying digital is more expensive than buying physical media. I can confirm that is the case with most Star Trek content.

[@cheesirehat]

Most xbox 360 games are wayyy cheaper physically then buying them off the xbox store

[@Mrdinomist]

@@max.imilian I prefer digital cause it easier to manage but yeah it is more expensive for example I bought a game for switch in store as it was 20 euros less than on Nintendo store

[@p.r.1308]

Which is weard because i always thought that they save money by not having physical copies.

[@Joey-h5o]

@@p.r.1308 There obviously not passing the savings on to the customers.

[@BahumutTH]

This is why physical media should never be phased out. And if Sony does this there is the possibility that Microsoft and Nintendo could do the exact same thing later on down the road

[@Ralphunreal]

digital can be done right.

[@__Rune__]

@@Ralphunreal physical is just better, you actually own it

[@victorvick1076]

Microsoft is already phasing out physical. Series S doesn't have disk drive and I'm sure they'll continue on that route. It makes business sense, less overhead and more control over products.

[@Pray4TheBatman]

Support GOG and DRM-free digital media. Everything you purchase can be downloaded and copied infinitely anywhere you want. That includes the base game, all the patches and extra goodies that come with it. That's the future of digital media we need to embrace. Physicals over time are going to be rare and scarce, cost will go up in the used market and will almost be risky to even play with a chance of the consoles having worn out disc drives. I've already had several games ruined forever from consoles having poor disc drives and from there I switched to PC gaming. Digital, when done right, is the real future of entertainment.

[@ixiahj]

I don't promote piracy either but the internet archives have shown sometimes its the only way to prevent media from getting lost to history.

[@slowdust9541]

ikr, like they purposly don't want you to own old media, but because of piracy , these medias will still be alive and being accessed by people

[@danieltaylor4185]

Preservation of digital products is why I have been advocating for years for most countries (especially the US) to adopt a legal standard for the term "abandonware." There's a lot of reasons why, including licensing disputes, content can be lost. Discs degrade, console hardware fails, and sometimes, people get into legal battles that keep games lost to time because they can't do an actual re-release of the original. And I think that all kinds of software that's not getting supported and is impossible to buy should be abandonware. I think even operating systems like Windows XP should be in an archive somewhere, where it's possible to to download it for free and use it - whether it's through a virtual machine or on your actual system.

[@ChairyCrasher]

I actually promote piracy, because nowadays, that is the only way of owning stuff.

[@pm79080]

Copying is normal and natural. Copying is never theft, it is copying. DRM is fraud.

[@Gadottinho]

for there to be theft there needs to be something scarce, and if you can copy it, it's not scarce, therefore, piracy is not theft

[@pm79080]

Digital Ristrictions Mechanisms (DRM) is theft. Always respond with this. Share these ideas!

[@Lovuschka]

You would not copy bread to distibute it to poor people and risk killing off all bakery business with that, would you? Or fruits, or other food? You would not copy fresh water and distribute it to people without, would you? Think of all the water sellers! You eat bread, you drink water, and it is gone. Same for digital goods. You pay, and they are gone without you being able to watch them. Similarly, it is in the best business interest to let poor people die. Sony understands. Discovery understands. Human rights mean nothing.

[@SlyQueguy]

@@Gadottinho piracy is theft

[@SonyaBladesBooty]

Whatever, pirate

[@kickstand2407]

I recently started to buy physical media lately because of how companies are forcing us to heavily rely on digital media and streaming

[@silentstorm5439]

I’ve always been buying physical when possible because of these exact reasons. It was only the matter of time before they started screwing over their customers

[@He11raiser01]

I distinctly remember trying to open up Battleborn and reading that it was just fully shut down. I know it wasn’t a super popular game, but me and a few friends would pop in now and then and grind out a few rounds. I would have understood just shutting down the online servers, but even private games and the single player were just gone completely. I’d bought the game, even a few of the extra skins for some of the characters, then booted it up one day to find a cheery cooperate message about appreciating the fans and being regretful that essentially summed up to “Game’s gone, keeping your money tho 🤷” 🙄

[@citizenvulpes4562]

It was a live service game, what were you expecting? This is why people shouldn't buy into Live Service.

[@harnandodisoto]

>Pirate Game >Company loses 60$ >Delete game >Company receives back 60$ >Pirate Game 1 million times >Company loses 60M and declares bankruptcy >Buy Company for a few dollars and become CEO >Delete all the pirated copies >60M gets Deposited into my account >Suddenly CEO of my own game company with millions to make my dream game Checkmate pirates.

[@JamesThomasJeans]

The reason I actually encourage Game of the Year Edition releases -- even if the game doesn't deserve a Game of the Year release -- they often have all the extra content AND patches built into it. It'll just work right off the disc.

[@MrLeerolljankins]

Cyberpunk 2077 being the recent notable example

[@Wizard66]

@@MrLeerolljankins the most physical version of Cyberpunk being the Xbox Series X version with physical DLC disk. I find it so ironic.

[@mjc0961]

They should just be called "Complete Editions"

[@sambeezy007]

​@mjc0961 that's how it is with games like Mortal Kombat and Injustice. I knew they were gonna do a version of the second one so I waited and boom! Complete addition available

[@chidoman1595]

Sanctioned piracy is called privateering. Completely legal.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

That's when the gubmint pays you to pirate for them.

[@pauls5745]

yes. the remedy for them saying "I'll just have that back now," as they shoulder us aside.

[@VikingTeddy]

Maybe we could get a letter of marque from sony fir Nintendo games, and vice versa? On a tangent, Muta's "no matter what excuse" shows he hasn't struggled financially that much. I'm sure he'd give a pass to kids from poor families 😁

[@SplfFfFy]

@@MK_ULTRA420”gubmint” 💀 new word added to my dictionary

[@patrickmusulin7892]

It took 100 of your videos to finally understand why OWNING something is so important... And after witnessing the "Death" of games I knew, played, and spent money on. After they couldn't keep up financially or they got too old, they got shut down. This applies mostly to Gacha games, but that just makes me even more sad. That games like FATE GRAND ORDER and Punishing Gray Raven, Hoyoverse's multidude of games. They will go offline one day. And none of us will have ever owned any part of it despite the money we spent and the time we sank. We need more preservation for our games. They are art. Thank you Mutahar.

[@TheSaltyGendo]

They are art to you. To the owners, they are just another dissposable product to be thrown in the trash and replaced when it is no longer useful.

[@coldbane2598]

I mean, if it is an online game, it should be understood it has a limited lifespan, what use is an online game if you're the only one playing, and who pays for you to keep access to it when you randomly want to play? When it's an offline game, then there's no reason you shouldn't be able to play it but planned obsolescence is society these days

[@citizenvulpes4562]

​@@TheSaltyGendo Well no shit, that's what people are arguing against.

[@Xurikyo]

Damn, you slow?

[@Nutt_lemmings]

@@coldbane2598no reason they couldn't just let you download the games and play through a private server. genshin already has private servers I think, and even relatively unknown mmoarpgs like dragons dogma online 2 has a somewhat working private server now days.

[@tomatonluis]

As others have commented: If buying ≠ owning, then piracy ≠ stealing.

[@nameless......................]

i am not a pirate but FUCKING YES

[@Xithar_tri]

That is exactly why GOG is so good. For a long time I also further ordered DVDs, but often I did receive only an empty gamebox or even an empty CD/DVD cover with a Steam code in it - which might be one of the worst things Steam introduced into the gaming market

[@Technology-Repair-Proto]

To anyone affected by this, kick up as much fuss as possible with Sony! This will become a test to see how folks react and then, if enough people ignore it, it will give these companies all the more reason to try this again, and again until it becomes the norm, and we all get shafted. LET. THEM. KNOW!

[@blazikem]

Unless their bottom line is threatened, I can't imagine anything happening 😔 Companies have realised that consumer attention span is very limited when it comes to online outrage, and often opt to just ignore it

[@renewagain6956]

This. You must always go after the shareholders. Make sure they suffer financially, and don't stop until they do. They will in turn make the executives suffer and cause the necessary changes.

[@pb25193]

If they wanted to pretend like digital rights mean ANYTHING, they should have given store credits to the people who were shafted.

[@Wizard66]

Agreed 👍

[@renewagain6956]

No. They should give a 200% CASH refund (so you can use the funds to buy competitor products).

[@afeathereddinosaur]

I remember when Google Play Music was being deleted in favor of KZbin Music, they gave us years to download the MP3 files from the songs we bought before going to that new format rhat works much the same way as Sony's store. That and they made it possible to transfer all of your library, including personal uploads to youtube Music. All my music is with me and in that library, and even if I can't download it anymore, I still have the files on my hard drive. You know Sony is really not considering us seriously when Google and their Music storefront - the music market being the first of all markets to create and spread the "personal license" bullshit that way - did it better than them.

[@TopFix]

The fact that licensing rights exist is the exact reason why online purchases are not the future of ownership.

[@volundros]

I love how he always says he doesn't approve of piracy, but you KNOW he's sailing the high seas.

[@mayravixx25]

Probably to protect himself legally if I had to guess, which if that's the case I can't say I blame him for it

[@vivisimonvi]

I remember Gabe Newell said that if Steam were to ever go under, there's a protocol in place to release your library from Steam DRM. This was years ago though and Gabe can't be CEO forever.

[@BobTheMartin]

Steam is a private company Gabe calls the shots until he's done with the world and then his family calls the shots Presumably they'd keep the same higher ups at Valve as they always had

[@TioRata]

At least their SteamStub DRM can be bypassed (and even removed) under emulation if you don't want to have Steam running in the background for whatever reason.

[@alkaupadhyay7650]

SteamDRM has a state of the art emulator that uses the testing steam ID of 400 to play a game as if running using steam.

[@rickoneill4343]

I'm sure the EU will have a law against this if they don't already.

[@121Greenthumb]

OH! I bet a class action lawsuit is being put together RIGHT NOW.

[@yearsoftears]

@@121Greenthumbyeah i doubt it

[@whatthesquid]

i hope so

[@XMysticHerox]

Absolutely. You purchased the licence with the expectation of having perpetual access to the game. Only under very specific, reasonable conditions could a licence be revoked especially without a refund. Even under US law that is the case. In the US however the allowed conditions are a bit more iffy. In the EU there is a decent chance any given licence is actually irrevocable.

[@XMysticHerox]

Ah yes because everything you agree to in a contact is automatically legal. Thats why we still have slavery around. Just gotta sign a contract. Please think before you write. You buy a licence yes. As I said in the comment you replied to. I did not say you own a product. In fact I very clearly said that you purchase a licence. Are you dense? Dishonest? Illiterate? Just kinda rude? Idk but maybe don't be. And you say "limited service". Well yeah but in what manner it can be limited is absolutely regulated. And yes in the EU you can't just revoke licenses for whatever reason. Same is the case in the US. In fact in the EU the entire "licenced, not owned" doctrine is questionable and in fact European courts have ruled against it before ruling that yes it does constitute a transer of ownership. Though it is not yet entirely clear. As a general rule of thumb companies tend to write whatever into contract especially when the legal situation is still a little nebulous and rely on the intimidation of the contract rather than actually being able to enforce it. Another example of that would be non compete clauses almost always go way beyond what is actually enforceable. Because you can write basically anything in a contract without consequence. @@Unknown_Genius

[@WickedRibbon]

GOG is amazing and should be the first port of call for any PC gamer who cares about ownership and preservation. The more people that buy a game on GOG rather than Steam or Epic, the longer GOG can maintain their DRM-Free promise.

[@TioRata]

As much as I like GOG, not all companies release their games on there on day one (or they don't release their games at all), and I'm not even comparing their services to Steam's ones.

[@WickedRibbon]

@@TioRata That goes without saying. If a game is only available on Steam, then that becomes your only option. In all other scenarios where there is parity, GOG is the way to go.

[@egorkorolev4190]

Dude you by ownership of the game for 100 years. More than enough but Still if i make it to 120 years how can i play my prince ofrece persia games on gog.

[@archeops.]

I LOVE the way I can save and backup offline installers from GOG 🥹

[@Ye_B0i]

@@Unknown_Geniusmost games aren’t drm-free on steam that’s 100% a lie, games like Cyberpunk 2077, the witcher, aren’t drm-free on steam like in GOG.

[@MrSolenoid]

Speaking of pirate. I play a pirated version of Far Cry 6. I did purchase it on Steam when it was just released. But after I changed my email address, the stupid launcher says the validity of the license can't be verified or some shit like that. Ubisoft was useless when I contacted them. And after 100th time when I said it's still not working, they just ghosted me. So yes, they turned me into a pirate 😂😂😂

[@chargingbadger_]

I started my Blu-ray collection this past year. It’s a fun hobby, and news like this just makes me feel validated lol

[@itriedtochangemynamebutitd5019]

By the way the paid version of Manhunt has activated all of its anti-piracy measures while the cracked version has none. So paying customers have to put up with a unplayable game while pirates are playing the game without issue.

[@THETWUAN-r3u]

Is that the version on the xbox store?

[@-ism8153]

Chaotic Good (Mutahar): Now, I want to remind everyone that piracy is stealing, but this is kind of messed up… Lawful Neutral (Rossman): You don’t deserve my business if piracy gives me a better experience. Chaotic Evil (comments): If companies give you an excuse to pirate, you take it.

[@TheyCallMeIce]

1. If anything, Mutahar in this example is NG. 2. Flip the order, please.

[@Gencinnamon245]

@@TheyCallMeIcethis is why I’m seeing piracy now as more of a necessary evil At least that’s how I see it

[@DisCHQ]

In Canada you should be covered under the WIPO (since Canada adhears to the Nice classifications). And since there it says downloadable computer games are considered a good not a service you should be covered for games that you buy on digital storefronts. EULA's are always going to be subject to laws after all.

[@CidVeldoril]

Yeah, German courts for example void EULAs and TOS if they include stuff that the average customer would not expect.

[@deni111bg8]

Piracy is completely justified, more and more companies are starting to act like that. The biggest argument against piracy is that "piracy is stealing" and it really falls flat here, where you can't own the shit that you buy, If i cant own it, even if i have purchase it, I cant steal it. It really sucks when piracy is giving you better overall experience then getting the products in a legitimate way and this is not only about Sony.

[@juipeltje]

What blows my mind is how a lot of people still don't see a problem with digital ownership when stuff like this happens. A few weeks ago on a different video comment section i tried explaining this to someone as well, but i don't think he got the message. He kept saying about purchased content being removed that it just doesn't happen. I told him sony has done it before, now they're doing it again. And other companies can do this just as easily and get away with it as well.

[@MstrCorrin]

as Steph Sterling always says - they have made it such that piracy is not only acceptable, but a moral imperitive

[@SonyaBladesBooty]

That's cringe af

[@pac-man163]

@@SonyaBladesBooty u gotta be a bot or spy or sum cuz i seen u defending sony in multiple comments, how much they paying you i want a cut

[@Nogkii]

@@pac-man163 caught em

[@mina86]

Fun fact: GOG has two versions of Fallout, Fallout 2 and Fallout Tactics. At some point their agreement with rights holders ended so they had to pull them off the store. Then, when they got a new agreement they put the games back up but for whatever reason as new products. So now there’s for example Fallout which can be purchased and Fallout Classic which people who purchased it years ago have. IIRC this whole debacle happened around the time Bethesda bought the rights to Fallout and I believe they are to blame for this.

[@dawsonrudis4642]

Even when discord gave games for free with nitro, I still have those. This is just scummy. If you pay for something digitally you should get it on that store until their servers are down or ww3.

[@fatalnullerror5831]

If Sony can remove content you paid for, they should be legally required to refund you the money that you paid for that content.

[@Vik1919]

If pirating is the only way to actually "own" a game nowadays (being able to play a game without the worry of it being taken away from you whenever they so desire) then I am going to "own" a lot games.

[@mayravixx25]

Agreed. Feels like 2007 all over again

[@Toasty27]

its almost as if they want you to.. own nothing and be happy?

[@hexxin]

This is why I try my best not to buy digital games if government really cared about us if politicians really cared they make it to where the any digital goods purchased are ours and our access cannot be restricted for at least 50 years like some countries have done.

[@trajectoryunown]

Buying digital content then having it access pulled is like buying a DVD and having Walmart come into your house and taking it. It'd be different if it was marketed as a pay per viewing period, but they're advertising it like you're being sold a product. You're not. You're paying to access THEIR content.

[@citizenvulpes4562]

Remember the CMOS bomb on PS4? I'm surprised people forgot about it, considering it made physical media obsolete as well.

[@randomyoutuber7898]

Exactly, this is clearly false advertising. I buy the license and data (Gigabytes) for my digital copy means I own the license and the data. I also as the owner of the license and data may choose to sell it or gift the digital copy to another PlayStation user. Class action is coming boys 💪 Every gamer everywhere needs to back each other up 🦾

[@newwaveplus]

This is why I always tell everyone to buy physical media whenever they can

[@polarbear3262]

Problem is that in a lot of countries outside USA, physical copies cost up to double then digital copies or they are not available at all in the stores. I would love to own game discs but it has literally turned into a rich man's hobby.

[@spoo5122]

I think the gaming industry would be dead today if it had tried to go all digital from the beginning, had they been able to

[@sambeezy007]

I agree

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

this is why I will always buy a dvd over using something like Sony core unless I'm renting a movie. Dvd's nowadays has both a physical and digital code and that is amazing to me because I now have both versions for an affordable one time purchase

[@Junok189]

You technically could sue Playstation, but the hurdles of doing so would be heck. That being said, there is a valid conversion of intangible property argument.

[@愛]

If buying is not owning, pirating is not stealing

[@draakisback]

They could still sue sony; ToS rarely stand up in court. Especially since a lot of other online stores give you recourse for when you have no access to your content. If I go on FiOS on demand and buy a movie, even though it's just a license to play the movie, they can't just remove it. Their terms of service even says that they would give me a refund if they did remove it. Sony is really the only big digital marketplace that does this. Even Nintendo, after removing the eShop from the 3DS, you can still download the games, you just can't buy anything new.

[@mayravixx25]

The same was true on the DSi if I remember right. You couldn't buy new games, but you could still re-download games and apps you already bought

[@aj00]

While yes piracy has some impact on the creator, the problem is it is extremely difficult to prove that a person pirating would have purchased it originally. It doesn’t prove a loss of sale

[@thecatmangaming5503]

Also I think it more applies to small artists, pirating their stuff is not OK I'm not going to lose any sleep over a megacorp like Sony losing money so consumers can have more rights yk

[@aj00]

@@thecatmangaming5503 ya I agree that's shittier. But the principle still applies.

[@aceghost1074]

"money is taken out of somebody's pocket" Yes this is true. However have you considered... I want to take that money outta a company that's bent me over more times than I can count?

[@JaysasterGaming]

They are taking content worth money out of our pockets, why not give them a taste of their own medicine?

[@mayravixx25]

@@JaysasterGaming Fr. Like yes, if it's a company with a great reputation that treats their players fairly, then I don't care to just gank it illegaly, I'll just buy the game. If it's a company like Ubisoft, EA, or now even Sony, then my sympathy for them doesn't exist because of how often they screw over consumers. For example, I can't even play my legally bought copy of Uno, because it has to go through ubisoft's software which more often than not, doesn't want to connect to the internet and therefore doesn't let me play the game at all. If that's not grounds to pirate, I don't know what is

[@AuraJewel]

@@mayravixx25not just consumers but their own game devs eg Blizzard

[@HeatherHolt]

This all started from GameStop selling used copies and blowing up, IMO. Even tho GameStop is nothing now, used copies on eBay thrive. They don’t like missing out on allllll those schmeckles.

[@legospacememe8468]

with every passing day i feel happier about two things 1. that I could never figure out how to use the playstation store 2 that I accidentally bought a V1 switch instead of a revised switch

[@Eldritch_Mage]

Muta the giant difference with movie ownership vs gaming is that after the VHS discontinuation, DVDs have remained reliably compatible even on 4K players. With gaming on the other hand the moment the company chooses to discontinue the console (5-7 years) we fall into a cycle of always needing to buy/repair these ever aging systems. Its not like we have some competing company making PS2-3 compatible players to make physical ownership reliable. Ive been a big fan of the retron 5 cause of this but making a all in one disc player console currently seems like a pipe dream.

[@anthonygallegos87]

this has happened before, last big one i remember was final space WB forced every streaming platform to remove the show and they went as far as even recalling whatever physical copy's they had at retailers. everyone on hulu, amazon, apple store ect ect lost their digital copy of the show.

[@andysnyder3844]

Just googled it never got a season 3 physical release that's gone forever. WB is letting Netflix lessen expire mid December the only thing that can be done is someone finds a way to pirate it from Netflix and but it online somewhere fewer people would have access to it

[@lennyface6828]

Don't mind if I do. I sure love "legally" downloading games on my ultimate piracy device aka the Steam deck!

[@megaman37456]

Huzzah! A fellow Steam Deck enjoyer!

[@kennethloung3422]

Say it with me people. If buying isn't owning than piracy isn't stealing.

[@TheChibiGingi]

"This is why I go physical!" ... until they stop selling things in a physical format entirely, like WWE announced they're doing with their PPVs and specials. Piracy is starting to become the ONLY way to ensure you keep whatever you've purchased nowadays.

[@ambralemon]

I remember this happening ages ago with licensed game DLCs instead. I don't know if it was an issue with Media Molecule or Sony directly, but in Little Big Planet after a while you were stripped of your licensed DLC which became unusable if the license expired, and a LOT of people had licensed dlc costumes or even LEVELS made with licensed dlc stuff that was no longer accessible.

[@MrNathan07]

It boggles my mind that Sony is still even doing this now, even Apple TV if you buy movies from iTunes Movies you'll still have them in your library even if it gets delisted.

[@BioCybergoth]

not even apple is any safe from this level of robbery, I have purchased the ad free version of TuneShell, a god-tier music player for iOS and I can't download it anymore despite paying for it with real money and still seeing it on my purchase history, I can't use it anymore and the free version was pulled from the store so can't even try to download it because people didn't bother about it and this was the only music app actually worth every penny, to only get lost in obscurity, not even jailbreaking the last possible devices allow you to enjoy that player without crashing or hanging right after loading your library!

[@a18yearoldonyoutubeluigi]

The discovery situation is not really Sony’s fault I feel but their reluctance to put legacy games on modern consoles is absolutely something that screams they want you to pirate. Thankfully I recently got a PS3 so I could play PS3 games through a disk with no emulation or online serve required.

[@numbersbubble]

yup, I still use my ps3

[@JonesDylan874]

Same.

[@darkmugetsu6572]

Better tear that PS3 apart and reapply some thermal paste to the cpu and gpu depending what generation and how old your ps3 is

[@Manic_Panic]

I got a jailbroken PS4 Pro so they can't take away my games (digital backups) either along with updates and DLCs. It can even do some PS1 and PS2 emulation.

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

True. The Discovery situation might be a bad example to use for claiming Sony wants people to pirate content. But there sure are plenty of better examples of Sony having all the control and still removing access from what people have

[@igotisekaid2664]

Yeah imma have to stop buying digital and get hard copies bc this is bs

[@SyfoMan]

So basically, I'm buying a Key and Sony is the landlord. If Sony says, "Hey buddy, sorry we can't have you here anymore." They change the locks and all I have is a useless key, better yet, they take the key too and your left with nothing. That's robbery. Almost parasitic.

[@graye2799]

If buying isnt owning, piracy isnt stealing.

[@aidanlynn]

Remember the days when you’d just pop a disk in and play the damn game?

[@charliecharlie9042]

Off topic but for me geo locked content is one of the main reasons pirated content exists, even if you are willing to buy it if no one wants to sell it, what are you supposed to do? Travel to watch a show or play a game?

[@_n8thagr8_63]

I understand Sony can't continue to air stuff due to licenses, but they should also give you a refund for it.

[@TheChris1369]

So people should go after Discovery also because Sony only got a cut from from the sales.

[@RPKGameVids]

Sony's giving physical media a nice push here.

[@neonix01]

Yeah I'm gonna start buying everything physical again, everything from 4K blu-rays to PS5 games and Switch games. There is also lots of resale value in used games that I've finished and never touch again which I loose out on with digital purchases. So it's a win-win.

[@KEEYBLADE]

I still don't understand how people are just okay with not owning anything anymore, if stuff like this happens. You buy things digitally and they can just take it away and don't even give you any compensation.

[@IanHsieh]

One weird thing I find is usually for a digital content, the consumer can still access them digitally after they are removed from the store. People just can't buy ut anymore, but this time it's entirely removed from ppl's library. Why?

[@citizenvulpes4562]

It's because Sony video stopped allowing people to download movies and other videos, basically whoever bought these movies, were streaming and not downloading.

[@IanHsieh]

@@citizenvulpes4562 They could still leave them in ppl's library and just allow access to those who have paid for it. Just unlist them from the store. Like literally everyone else.

[@ICEMAN_GLX]

Thanks to the repackers we have almost everything saved forever.

[@ExTremZero]

why are ppl thinking you own something immediately when you buy media? Even CD games arent yours, they wont ever be. Tampering with them such as editing game files, modding or coping them is illegal if its not stated that its allowed. You dont own it, you have the right to use it.

[@spyder256]

IF PAYING IS NOT OWNING THEN PIRACY IS NOT STEALING

[@crazyfloof]

never saw it that way but now I do

[@EdwardPHandsBasedManchild]

What needs to happen is for laws to be updated so that our digital rights can be properly protected. This is just the start, expect more of this.

[@monfr0]

The breaking point for me was when origin was replaced with ea app. Never had an issue with origin for the most part was like steam. My internet sucks so I always play offline. Now whenever I want to play something I have to get online to be provided a new license to prove that I owe a game. I get it but this is too much of a pain of me. Besides, I own the disks to sims medieval and all sims 3 and expansions. This resulted in me giving my screen the middle finger and tracking down no cd patches. (Evil villains laugh)

[@ThresholdGaming]

I pirate games for test runs. If I like the game, I buy it...if I don't like the game, I delete it. You have no real way to know if you'll enjoy a game or not, so I test drive them before handing over my money.

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

Glad I still have my 33RPM LPs and music CDs I physically bought, from a store, back in the 1970s and 1980s. A decade or so ago, I bought some animation software from a small company. I needed to access their website every once in a while, to reactivate their software already loaded on my computer. A couple of years ago, the company went belly up, and their website disappeared. That program then was just bricked. Good thing it didn't cost much, and there are alternatives. Good thing my gaming atrophied at Tetris, which I think came out in the 1980s.

[@Faso26TV]

Its always the fine printed things that a customer doesn't expect in a initial purchase. I believe older people will be the main factor in that regard, since they believe they own the product they purchase in this case. This is why I dislike consoles with no disc tray and really hope that we can turn the tide somehow

[@jimster1111]

i pirate literally everything. and then when i feel like the developer or creator or the art in general deserves it, ill pay for it. and not until then. the days of paying 20$ for an album only for more than half the songs to be filler is gone. ive paid the full 60-70$ for a video game like 3 times in the past 8 years because more often than not i stop playing entirely at the 5-10 hour mark.

[@solrinin]

My issue with physical copies is that hardware dies and replacing that can become impossible after they stop making the components for it. I think digital ownership is fine when done correctly (which it usually isn't) and roms and emulators should be more legal than what they are to allow it.

[@citizenvulpes4562]

YES!!!! People don't seem to understand this. They're talking down to PC storefronts because a majority of it is digital only, and "one day your storage device and PC will go out" my brother in Christ, so will your consoles! Cracking games, and emulation is the only real way to preserve. Steam games are very easy to crack with the Goldberg emulator, and once cracked, you can make copies for storage on another device that you don't use. Physical media is great, but, one day the thing associated with that disc is gonna go out, and all you'll have is that disc. Get a PC with a disc drive, it's time to start making some .iso

[@TheMrfrodough]

That opening statement about it's stealing money out of someone's pocket is easily shown to be false. If someone wasn't going to ever purchase something, regardless of the reason, whether or not they pirate means that the company or individual would never have gotten the money regardless

[@Bleenderhead]

I thought these days "physical copies" are just a disc with a single digital license key burned on them to authorize a download, I'm surprised that even PS5 game discs actually have the game executable on them.

[@exploringwiththeshiv]

Honestly at this point, just do it. If there are many ways to do something just do it because honestly customers could care less I mean as long as it is good that's what matters.

[@Alicious_Al]

Physical copies going forward.

[@carbonmax9426]

Smart Man.

[@AlexBell1991]

Even with physical copies, some games are now requiring you to be connected to the internet to "download" the game. Not even them are safe.

[@Nulley0]

You'll own nothing, and you'll be happy

[@chrisgomez5073]

Was that a Dark Souls 3 disk in your Red Dead Redemption box? Just kidding. Real good stuff. I'm a digital guy because I hate getting off of my ace (yes, I said ace) to change disks, but you make great points about owning stuff because of what some of these companies can do. Great content. Keep it up my man.

[@BiohazardRay]

This is why physical media matters going into 2024