This was great. Thanks so much. I have one of the books you showed and will get the others. I find this so fascinating!
@d.s.47726 ай бұрын
You need to reach out to David Midegah and get on the same page. The objibwa are opening up their past and you need to reconcile with them.
@lukeslc-xd8ds4 ай бұрын
Reconcile??
@d.s.47724 ай бұрын
@@lukeslc-xd8ds Put to right, bring together, patch up, merge, square, reunite, settle, resolve. Talk to the Native nations and get their perspective, basically. Seeing David Taylor (Midegah) is LDS he should be a good starting point to affirm the heritage/ DNA claims. Don't get caught up so much in your own narrative that you become as the professors, and scripture central, defending your own position rather than refining your thesis. :D
@Designer-Brandon6 ай бұрын
Rod needs to interview David Taylor (a.k.a Chief Midegah). That would be an interesting interview. Update: Apparently, they are in an online feud. Something was said from Rod & they don't like each other now. 🤷♂️ Sad.
@justdoityourself71346 ай бұрын
Chief Midegah seems like he has an axe to grind.
@Thehaystack79996 ай бұрын
The names of Lehi’s family had strong Phoenician roots.
@robs99646 ай бұрын
Rod, I love your insightful analysis on DNA. However at 8:30 into this podcast you stated essentially that all of the Nephite descendants were completely wiped out and exterminated. That could not possibly be true. 2 Nephi 3:3 Lehi speaking to his son Joseph: "Thy seed shall not utterly be destroyed." Helaman chapter 4 Nephite dissenters and the Lamanites join forces Throughout the Book of Mormon narrative Nephite dissenters were constantly going over to the Lamanite side. Therefore you cannot rightfully state that ALL of the descendants of Nephi, Sam, Jacob & Joseph, ie, the good sons "were all exterminated in 400 AD". ALSO, after the 200 years of peace following the Lord's Ministry among the people, the Nephites and Lamanites were divided according to their sociology and religion, NOT their race or ancestry. See 4th Nephi vs: 17: "neither were there Lamanites, nor any manner of -ites; but they were in one, the children of Christ" 20: "a small part of the people who had revolted from the church and taken upon them the name of Lamanites; therefore there began to be Lamanites again in the land." Verses 35-38 "there arose a people who were CALLED the Nephites" "they who rejected the gospel were CALLED Lamanites, and Lemuelites, and Ishmaelites". Therefore, I believe that the descendants of Nephi, Sam, Jacob & Joseph would have been essentially equally divided among those who CALLED themselves Nephites and those who CALLED themselves Lamanites.
@davidmickelle73266 ай бұрын
A couple of things to keep in mind when that is said. He knows the Book of Mormon talks about Nephites dissenters. Also inheritance to a family line is matrilineal. So that plays a role in who can claim descendency from Nephi culturally. There may have been many that were still descendants from the patrilineal side but in their culture you follow your mother's line.
@maestrafrancom5 ай бұрын
@@robs9964 and there are white "native Americans "
@Dadeeo6 ай бұрын
It wasn’t Nephi’s people who intermixed with the natives. It was the Lamanites.
@godsoffspring41956 ай бұрын
In the beginning this was true. As time went on, many Lamanites(natives) joined and mixed with the Nephites. :>)
@mammamiia81632 ай бұрын
What's the streaming website called?
@ranjanty6 ай бұрын
When a Native American or Latin American or European or African or any person in the world 🌍 understands that, every thing else will fall into place. IMHO
@williamrasoanaivo53812 ай бұрын
Hi. Thanks for this. My question: is it possible to study the DNA of Hopewell people from their remains? For example, from Zelph's mound, since Joseph Smith identified Zelph as a lamanite.
@Thehaystack79996 ай бұрын
Rod, how can I get ahold of you?
@kz6fittycent6 ай бұрын
You gotta grab him by the lapels :P
@RickBuck6 ай бұрын
What was the streaming website mentioned?
@BookofMormonEvidence6 ай бұрын
www.bookofmormonevidence.org/streaming
@mt_navyviking4 ай бұрын
You all need to talk with Dr Nathaniel Jeansen of Answers In Genesis. He has done a lot of DNA research and found that you can line up genetic splits, history, and movements of people to find out that Y-DNA is indeed a clock of mankind. He is also working with Tribal groups to get more Y-DNA testing done.
@BookofMormonEvidence2 ай бұрын
Answers in Genesis is involved with a LOT of good work involving The Creation, the Flood etc.
@loudogg736 ай бұрын
I recently noticed major evidence of other people already living where the Nephites arrived. In 1 Nephi 18:25 it says, "And it came to pass that we did find upon the land of promise, as we journeyed in the wilderness, that there were beasts in the forests of every kind, both the cow and the ox, and the ass and the horse, and the goat and the wild goat..." An ox is a castrated bull. In other words, somebody castrated it already. Nephi also mentions both the goat and the wild goat, differentiating them from each other. Something to consider noater where it all took place.
@godsoffspring41956 ай бұрын
Hi Lou. Nice observation! Which brings to mind.... in biblical and BoM times... the ox didn't always refer to castration, especially in reference of being "wild". Bovine species that weren't generally used as domesticated cattle were also called the ox. Hebrew),[citation needed] "wild ox", "wild bull", "buffalo" ..... Although I agree that there were already some indigenous people present when Lehi's party landed... the castrated domestic ox was not referred to as being wild. That would mean a lot of escapee castrated male cows with a life span of 15 - 20 years, running around the countryside at the same time to be considered existing in the wilderness and not at home on the farms. IOW... castrated bulls cannot reproduce castrated bulls, or cows for that matter, for a reality in time of a wilderness full of castrated Oxen. :>) I've always perceived 1 Nephi to imply that the Nephites brought some domesticated goats, the ass, the cow and maybe a horse or two and while journeying through the wilderness they also discovered wild native goats as well as wild horses(at least some gone wild left over from Jaredite occupation) and the wild bison(ox) too. Likely Jaredite remnants of cattle gone wild could be included as wild ox or any combination of crossbreeding the cow with the buffalo. Thus... all the animals mentioned they did find upon the land of promise, as they journeyed in the wilderness. Makes good sense to me. :>)
@loudogg736 ай бұрын
@@godsoffspring4195 I notice that ox is also differentiated from the cow. To me, that only makes sense if you are talking about domesticated animals. Do you see that differently?
@godsoffspring41956 ай бұрын
@@loudogg73 I see it two ways. One is the domesticated castrated male cow/cattle and the other is Bovine species not generally used as domesticated cattle and are usually left wild. Such as.... the African water buffalo and there are others. American Bison would be another. The Nephites would consider them male and female, the wild ox because they are of the cow species that are not domesticated. If you look up all the Bovine species there a number of untrainable or undesired groups that are considered to be wild ox. "Aurochs, or wild ox. Kouprey, sometimes called wild ox. Banteng, or wild ox. Gaur, or wild ox. Re'em, a Biblical animal sometimes translated as wild ox." Also, remember the Jaredites brought over cattle and I have no doubt that some became wild and can mate with Bison as well as the Jaredites probably crossbred domesticated beefalos. It's not beyond me to accept the Nephites might have also bumped into hybrid wild cattle as well as the American Bison that would all be considered the wild Ox. :>)
@TheLastNameR6 ай бұрын
Omni 1:17 is strong evidence for multiple populations. The descendants of Mulek "their language had become corrupted". That doesn't happen in isolation. The opposite in fact. Indigenous tribes in Africa/Asia/the Amazon have preserved their languages by isolating from the outside world.
@dondonh52436 ай бұрын
It doesn’t take another people to corrupt a language…just really poor execution/grammatical abuse of the mother language to ‘corrupt’ it!
@TheRealDonLayton6 ай бұрын
It absolutely happens in isolation. It happens in 1 or 2 generations here in the US. Language is living and change happens in every culture. But I'd think Jacob 7:1 might be a possible evidence for other cultures.
@TheLastNameR6 ай бұрын
@@TheRealDonLayton I'm genuinely interested to learn because from my research it definitely seems isolated tribes in Africa/Asia/the Amazon have preserved languages for thousands of years due to isolation. Maybe I'm not well versed In the latest research.
@TheLastNameR6 ай бұрын
@@dondonh5243 I'd love to learn. Can you provide me with some examples? My research shows indigenous peoples in Africa/Asia/Amazon have preserved languages for thousands of years through isolation. There is research on language "drift" where over generations they may abbreviate words or other phrases come "into style" but not enough to alter a language so significantly that it would be a completely different language. I'd say from context clues in Mosiah and Omni the people of Mulek and their "corrupted" language was significant enough they had to prove they came from Jerusalem using Genealogy that's how corrupted their language was its like "hey we once spoke your language and we came from the same place " that and other context clues.
@n.d.m.5155 ай бұрын
@@TheLastNameREnglish has changed significantly from its Germanic roots. Although not completely isolated, it is still developed on an island nation. Invaders helped shape the language, but many of the original words are recognizable only by study. There is a reason English is split up into Old, Middle, and Modern.
@paulsimmons95124 ай бұрын
Native North Americans have primarily O blood type. O blood type is found heavily in the middle east as per a recent video on KZbin about the blood types of the peoples of the earth. Blood types are passed down the generations like or because of DNA, right?
@mammamiia81632 ай бұрын
I can tell you the truth about the enslavement of the people who built Cahokia. It's right here: According to Exod. 12:40, And the abode of the children of Israel that they made in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years. The snake people who came up from the south were Egyptians. They enslaves the Israelites in America. Rod, I would love to talk to you more about this in case you're interested.
@ranjanty6 ай бұрын
I'm starting to wonder 🤔. Is it worth it? Trying to prove who is right? Won't we all know in the end. Yes this is all interesting but last night I heard name calling. Is this the beginning of another division of Gods children? I don't understand why this is going on. I do understand that the only thing that matters is to know what Jesus has done for me.
@TheRealDonLayton6 ай бұрын
I hear you and agree with the idea - if we're trying to prove who is right, that's not pleasing to God. For me however, it has a much different purpose. When my wife and I went to Israel, we had a deeply spiritual experience, connecting everything we knew to be true with the physical location. I was able to look around and envision where Christ taught the Sermon on the Mount, or healed the man at the pool of Bethesda, or where He was taken before Caiaphas (maybe). I entered the garden tomb and saw why Golgotha was called Golgotha. I saw a strong candidate for Peter's home and another candidate for the place (or somewhere very close) where John the Baptist baptized the Savior. We traveled to Mt. Arbel and I was able to connect a possible location for where Jesus would withdraw on occasion and pray to His Father. Not all of these sites are 100% verified. But all of them are very near or at the actual location of where they happened. I connected with Jesus Christ on an entirely different level. I was able to do the same thing at Palmyra, Kirtland, Missouri (several spots) and Nauvoo. Each time, I gained a connection to the people, the stories, the sacrifices and the miracles that took place. My testimony was deeply impacted. Maybe we'll never know exactly where these things from the Book of Mormon took place, while in this life. If that's God's will, so be it. You're right. We'll know in the end. But it would be AMAZING to be able to travel and see where the Nephites landed, where Nephi built a temple, where the Savior appeared and so on. It would have absolutely amazing impacts on the lives of millions of people. Is it worth it to learn the truth? I think so. But not to prove who is right. That doesn't matter at all.
@rconger246 ай бұрын
During the 2002 Olympics some pharisiacal news reporter cornered Prs Hinckley with a "gotcha" question based on incomplete DNA research claiming the BoM was wrong and therefore our faith in Christ based on it and also The Church. I don't blame Brother Rod Meldrum for taking up the challenge and debunking the claim with more complete science facts. He's done us a service. I'm sorry the discussion gives you such anxiety. I don't think it's necessary for you to take a view making you feel so. Hope you come to an understanding from The Spirit that brings you peace.
@ranjanty6 ай бұрын
@@TheRealDonLayton I agree with everything you said. I have some experience about what you're talking about when I visited the Hill Cumorah and the sacred grove. The other day I was watching another KZbin channel and they called Bro. Meldrum a liar and that really put me off. I just hope Satan doesn't cause a divide in search of truth. One truth we do know is we are all Gods children and until we unite Will Zion come?
@jsteinagel51506 ай бұрын
One reason is that wherever it took place, it is a covenant Land and a covenant people. These people need to know who they are and that they are under covenant🩵
@TheRealDonLayton6 ай бұрын
@@jsteinagel5150 Love it, exactly right.
@Chet-hv4po4 ай бұрын
This is a very jargony, inside-baseball discussion only suited for people who already know the details. And if I already knew the details, I wouldn’t need to spend my time listening to this-so, thanks anyway.
@dianneirinaga89956 ай бұрын
I think the problem is that the native know they are these ancient peoples but they don't feel as though they need to prove it. I want evidence because of all the people who have native blood need to know it but I also want to know tribes but not sure how to do that except through verbal accounts.
@jasonbrown50146 ай бұрын
X haplogroup
@godsoffspring41956 ай бұрын
Part of Lehi's group would have been diluted out of existence on Laman and Lemuel's side quite quickly as they were mixing with natives right from the get go. This also explains why the Lamanites greatly out numbered the Nephites from day one through rampant polygamy as well as Lamanite converts. It also explains why and how Lamanite children naturally developed dark skin. Dark skin IS the evidence some of Lehi's party was mixing with another culture(s)
@paulblack17996 ай бұрын
Offspring...go back and read your B of M. Per Jacob only Nephites were polygamists. Lamanites did not break the hearts of their wives with such behavior.
@godsoffspring41956 ай бұрын
@@paulblack1799 Hi Paul... Ummm can you be more specific?? Be careful you aren't confusing Lamanites who later became righteous with the unrighteous ones some hundreds of years earlier that first landed in America. K?? :>)
@savedbygracethrufaith6 ай бұрын
🍿 Mormon fight brewin’ 🍿
@godsoffspring41956 ай бұрын
@@savedbygracethrufaith LOL... too funny. Your popcorn might get cold. 😆
@savedbygracethrufaith6 ай бұрын
Naw, youz Mormons are always fighting in the chat. 🍿
@Pay-It_Forward6 ай бұрын
God loved the (Nephites & Lamanites) so much he had Joe translate a pseudo language on an unknown yellow metal half the weight of Tumbaga using a brown stone in a hat, so that their ancestors who no longer have their DNA, can know that (Adam & Eve) were created in Jackson County, 6K years ago.
@TheRealDonLayton6 ай бұрын
You literally just went 0 for 6. Congratulations.
@rconger246 ай бұрын
This is "paying it forward?"
@jillbrown1376 ай бұрын
Troll
@maestrafrancom6 ай бұрын
Not much spiritual thought in that comment.
@loudogg736 ай бұрын
If you are coming to argue, at least know what the argument is about 🤣🤣