SOS Bros React - Kizumonogatari Movie 3 - Wounded and Weak

[@Ultimaniacx4]

Just a note on Shinobu's name. 刃=blade　　心=heart　　忍=Shinobu The name Shinobu is literally written as heart under blade.

[@rodrigossj100]

Well the movie doesn't end in the beginning of Bake you guys forgot the Golden Week, the first Cat Hanekawa case.

[@mints5599]

The last scene with hanekawa ,with the bell sound, I think it's the first headache she had after goldenweek, her first love stress

[@alexanderholzer7392]

@Spybdar I WONDERED if that was the beginning motif from her theme looped. Neat that they did that. Like she's looming in the near future.

[@opt23241]

You think it is, I'm sure it is.

[@jalcome4201]

Then it turns out its just Shaft copying the iconic photoshot scene from that very old french movie with the kid at the beach....

[@mints5599]

@@jalcome4201 well..monogatari series are inspired by old french cinematography so yeah maybe

[@Bankgarmo]

Great reaction glad you like it i'll add a little bit with "Shinobu blade" it got mention in Kanbaru Arc When Oshino said "She can cut Kanbaru arm off so fast she couldn't even feel a thing" and that show in this movie how good she is (and she didn't even use it in her fight with Araragi prove that she didn't intend to kill him in the first place)

[@amvmaker88]

Actually in the original book she gave him like a lot of handicaps. They would just stand in front of each other punching the shit out of each other, not using any skills or battle abilities, basically just regeneration vs regeneration🤔. The movies make her seem a fair bit weaker than she actually is.

[@leekeen21]

@@amvmaker88 Ofcourse because of Shaft story telling style made that like this.

[@plague9818]

There's just something so beautiful about the fact that nobody in the story is truly happy with the conclusion reached. Shinobu is to live as a complete downgrade of a vampire, relying on her only servant in order to survive when she would rather just have him kill her so she can finally end her boredumb and suffering and so he can return his humanity. Araragi does not get to return to being a human and must now live on keeping his master alive because he doesn't want her to die. But the wonderful thing is that despite how unsatisfied they feel, they are happy just to have each other.

[@jalcome4201]

ALMOST 3 HOURS?! NEW SOS BRO RECORD LETS GOOOOO

[@SirDrFriend]

Right at the beginning, Jacob said the 2nd movie ripped his heart out. That's really funny considering the revelation about what Oshino did

[@AhkoRC]

I wonder how long it'll take for them to get off of the Oshino Time-Travel Extraordinaire.

[@GeneralCalculus]

End of nise I'd guess. It's funny hypothesis though.

[@BenjiroSensei]

@@GeneralCalculus Yeah, maybe they will readjust their theory when Kagenui tells Araragi that she, Oshino and Kaiki were in the same club in school.

[@jalcome4201]

Tbh, I accepted it as my own headconon after this. They said themselves that its just a nice theory of them nothing thats prob going to happen, so lets just shhhh and enjoy the ride with that in mind

[@waahmed7830]

Honestly it's not that out there case in point Oshino Ougi is literally araragi

[@Doominator10]

"Perpetually in a state of trying to make up for things" I'm deeply satisfied at their conclusion based on this movie. They won't even know until 3 seasons later just how extreme this mindset was imprinted on him and how. Kizu is not the start of Araragi, merely the start of the story. #Sodachi

[@jalcome4201]

Crazy how important Sodachi is to the story. Makes up for how little she is used in the overall story

[@hriddhitdatta454]

@@jalcome4201 The story isn't over yet, she will get more screentime as the later novels feature her quite a bit. The first arc itself after ZokuOwari is Sodachi Fiasco. So more MATH!!!

[@Bell043]

I just realized that they weren't mentioned in the movie how exactly vampires create thier servant. I don't think it's considered as spoils, So... this is some informations from the novel. .. .. (Sorry for my English. btw.) . . . . . . When vampires (in this series) sucked human blood. That human will unavoidably turn into a vampire(servant). To prevent that, the vampire must eat up the whole body of that human. Leaves nothing to regenerate back. Shinobu ate Guillotinecutter whole. Not just suck his blood.

[@blazearmada]

To copy a section from a very long analysis I once wrote on this amazing trilogy: This movie perfectly summarizes why Kiss-Shot/Shinobu is my favorite character in the franchise. One thing to note is that, for a movie trilogy that is supposed to focus on her, she actually doesn’t have a tremendous amount of direct interaction with Araragi apart from in Kizu 3. This is why Kizu 3 is one of my favorite anythings not just in this franchise, but in media: the amount of trust and respect that blossoms between these two, even as they fight to their gruesome deaths at the end, is something which I have almost never seen before. Their relationship is incredibly unique in that, no matter who holds the advantage in physical power at any moment in time, they treat each other as peers and equals, to the point where they are willing to sacrifice themselves for the sake of one another despite their existence as natural enemies. Araragi is willing to give himself up to save Kiss-Shot in Kizu 1, and Kiss-Shot attempts to reciprocate at the end of Kizu 3 simply because, in her 500 years, no one has ever shown her that kind of vulnerability and mercy. Both Araragi and Kiss-Shot start the Kizu trilogy as distinctly lonely figures - neither of them holds the capability to trust other people. Kiss-Shot’s only ever friend committed suicide after being turned to vampirism hundreds of years ago, which would obviously take such a huge psychological toll on a person, oddity or not. And Kizu 1 begins with Araragi claiming that having friends only leads to hurt when those friends suffer; thus, he has distanced himself from everyone in his life before Hanekawa barges into it. The two are direct parallels of one another, and by the end of Kizu 3, their fates are so intimately intertwined to the point where they cannot exist apart from each other.

[@theblackswordsman9951]

This arc is actually focused on Araragi not Shinobu and is one of the few in the series that does which is why in the second film she barely gets any time.

[@MrFreakHeavy]

"The pain of a friend is my pain too." And then you know what whenever Araragi is hurt, Shinobu feels that pain -- only, in this case, she literally feels his physical pain. Just one more symbolism. The best part is that their relationship -- which here seems like it reached its peak -- only gets better from now on.

[@nunu3026]

Nisemono is a direct sequel to Bakemono. There is one more prequel before Bake and after Kizu (Nekomonogatari: Kuro) though. Nisemonogatari is indeed the next in line if you are following the book order as you where until now. By the way, Nisemono means fake and Monogatari means story, so its Nisemonogatari meaning fake story.

[@xavmanisdabestest]

Fakestory is closer the author makes 2 words one. I guess if you wanted to connect it directly like the Japanese does you'd use imposter instead of fake and make it Impostory. Guess that would make bakemonogatari, monster story be Monstory

[@Mercure250]

@@xavmanisdabestest I've heard that "Bakemono" could techincally mean "ghost", so "Ghostory"

[@DOkyev]

@@Mercure250 well.. bakemono means : monster , ghost were more like [幽霊yuurei]. its almost impossible to translate 100% from japanese to english cuz the east/west culture difference.

[@Mercure250]

@@DOkyev Well, because of those differences, there might be an overlap between what we would call "ghost" and what they would call "bakemono". Like, personally, I think "ghost" seems more or less applicable to what we see in Bakemonogatari. So "Ghostory" would be an acceptable translation in this respect. That said, when explaining, it's still a good idea to explain that "bakemono" usually is more like "monster".

[@DOkyev]

@@Mercure250 arent ghost like spirit that has no physical properties？i dont know about that since i am asian.

[@aether_beat]

To answer the questions about the title, monogatari does mean story, and most of the titles are puns. Bakemono means monster, so a good translation would be Monstory. Kizu just translates to wound on its own, so there’s no pun there as far as I understand it. For the next section, Nisemono means impostor or fake. So we are coming up on the Impostory. I find it funny that Jacob was a pretty hardcore Senjo fan and now he’s jumped ship. It felt like they were struggling to understand bake, and not really enjoying it. I’m glad they liked the movies so much, looks like they’re starting to get a hang of the series. Though, they still seemed to misunderstand some bits. I always thought the snapshot of Hanekawa near the end was actually her getting a headache, hinting at her future cat problems. It even used the same sound effect. Oshino definitely didn’t steal Kiss-shot’s heart 400 years ago. Even if he is future Araragi like they think, I don’t see it making any sense that he would steal her heart that far back. The whole “I couldn’t” line was more meant to show that Kiss-Shot wasn’t willing to die for him. Still, love the reactions. Nise is up next, can’t wait.

[@jacobkrawczyk4772]

You're definitely right about Hanekawa - you can even see the slightly pained expression she makes at the end. And when Kiss-Shot said that the her from back then was incapable it's certainly referring to her not being understanding or "good" enough of a person to do so. I'm glad they're beginning to understand this series better, but it is still frustrating that they occasionally misinterpret some key elements. One of the big things that bothers me is how hevily they lean into the assumption that Shinobu is manipulating him - specifically supernaturally. It's funny because she actually was manipulating him in some respects, but it wasn't with charm or supernatural ability, rather it was her long term plan to be killed by him. The first big instance of their misunderstanding was the crying in Kizu 1, which they interpreted as a ploy when in reality she was legitimately scared and vulnerable - and they seemed to carry that into this movie. The other problem is they undercut the relationship between the two with this idea, making it harder to see how much they actually care for each other.

[@bennydelon]

Apparently kizumono is also a word on its own, but not as common as bakemono or nisemono, so I don't know if the author intended to use it with this meaning: jisho.org/search/kizumono

[@Defuna]

@@bennydelon With NisiOisiN it can be almost guaranteed that he intended it - the man bakes wordplay into so much of his work. (also one localization I've seen for Kizumonogatari is "Scar-y Story")

[@theblackswordsman9951]

@@Defuna Scary Story really? Ha fire that translator lol

[@jacobfoti887]

Aether Kizumono means something like damaged goods it’s used in reference to what they do too each other (it’s also a term used for a women without her virginity)

[@thecobrachickenofgeneva1554]

If you want some more insight check out the short stories Nisioisin wrote for the voice cast. "As a human": Kiss-Shot has a conversation with Guillotine Cutter. "Why": Oshino has an encounter with Kiss-Shot. "Something wrong": Hanekawa talks with Oshino after Arararagi makes his decision. "And then": Rararagi has a conversation. Slight spoilers so maybe skip if not up to date with the show. "With caution": The vampire hunters have a conversation after their battle with Kiss-Shot.

[@captortn]

Discussion begins around 1:26:25

[@Kopplex]

It's not the VA of Shinobu who is singing in the ending lol.

[@4Rxin]

It all makes sense now. The movies were delayed for that long because Shinobu's VA had to perfect her French pronunciation to sing the ED.

[@Kopplex]

@@4Rxin lmao

[@alexanderholzer7392]

@@4Rxin Lol for real. It's clearly a Frenchwoman. I don't even speak French and I can tell. Does sound a good bit like her though.

[@jalcome4201]

Its *supposed* to be her though, and thats what matters. Like how Aimer always sings *as* the person the lyrics come from in Fate songs.

[@Kopplex]

@@jalcome4201 Well yeah you can say that it's supposed to be Shinobu singing but not Shinobu's VA.

[@araragi5322]

Unconditional love I think is the most touted topic when discussing Araragi and Lola/Shinobu/Kiss-Shot. Bit of spoilers-ish but not really. Later in the series I think they elaborate and in-fact the end of this movie, Araragi explains that his life is practically tied to Shinobu for eternity because of what he did (Turning her into an empty husk).She's the first person to make him laugh uncontrollably, be at the apex of happiness but also wound him so deeply that Araragi has taken it upon himself to live a life dictated on the state of another being. It's very complicated and I wish they explained it, but I don't think it can be solidly explained. This is however a popular interpretation (unconditional love) as the reason as to why he did what he had to do. And now because of the events of kizu (and after) we come to realize that Araragi's relationship with Shinobu is practically the most important in the whole series. More than friends, best friends, family, lovers. They're one and the other, although not the exact quote but to die when they die and to live whilst they are alive.

[@simonchen127]

2:24:15 Don't know what the subs were like but Araragi's answer was "I'm not going to save you".

[@johnzhu8693]

And this is why the movie took 4 years to came out, so the storage scene wouldn't get banned.

[@zeemod1556]

I find it hard to top that fight scene in anime. There are many other contenders that may win in other categories and contexts. However, just the no holds barred approach to it's fighting and choreography. Images both hilarious and grotesque seared into my memory forever. I could watch it once a week and it may never get old.

[@sumiokodai1652]

So they're doing Nise next? Oh boy, the story picks up at episode 3. 2 episodes for reintroducing the characters.

[@bompp1]

copy-paste: I think they cut this conversation in the adaptation so I would like to share this. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Since it seemed there was still time until the bell rang, I and Hanekawa talked a little bit in that place. Of course the topic was vampire related. Hanekawa taught me something out of her vast stock of knowledge about vampires. "Well, it's only a theory." She premised. "Vampires suck human blood -- however, the implication changes completely whether they suck blood for a meal or whether they suck it in order to create a subordinate." "Yeah, I don't know if it was from the person herself or from Oshino, but I think I heard it." "A meal, well it's a meal, but creating a subordinate somehow seems to be something akin to a sexual act." "Se-Sexual act?" "Seriously." Said Hanekawa. "They say appetite and sexual desire resemble each other. Besides, following that line of thinking, isn't it clear why a vampire doesn't want that much to create a subordinate? In 500 years -- she had two subordinates. I don't know much about vampire's idea of chastity, but she has been a virtuous woman." [1] "Virtuous?" "I think her first subordinate was her lover." A rule of not creating a subordinate-- That's how they described it to me. A virtuous -- vampire. Even if they are about to die, they aren't inclined to save themselves by making a subordinate -- was it? Then. In which occasion do they create subordinates? That was the question. "......But weren't they human and vampire?" "That's why she turned him into a subordinate, didn't she? The existence of vampire halves could be said to attest to those sort of couplings...... although the circumstances were a bit different, I suppose. At any rate, this was just a conjecture. However, it's for this reason that she tried to redo what she did at that time, I think -- as an atonement." "An atonement--" She couldn't turn the first subordinate back into a human. Therefore she added a second, me, to the first. Might have been. "She didn't want to be killed by the three vampire exorcists though -- what she really meant by having found her place to die, maybe was the fact she met with you. When she met -- with the second subordinate." "A place to die -- huh." "Thinking about it, at the time when she almost lost her vampire abilities by turning you into a subordinate -- at that time when she lost her bloodsucking ability, perhaps she was already prepared to starve to death. If a vampire can't suck blood, she dies." "Well......, that's true." "But in order to turn you back into a human, she couldn't let herself starve to death." "......Last night, at the beginning she invited me to live together for eternity...... I don't know what she planned to do if I accepted her invite." "Well, that's precisely what would have happened, isn't it?" "Precisely." "Even if a person cannot live alone, two people can." "............" "Two people is better than one, just two of you is better than three -- something like that. That sort of thing."

[@lampad4549]

This is great wished they kept in the movie but it doesn't really affect the characters or the plot though

[@SilverCrow0101]

Better love story than Twilight.

[@fluck6959]

if shinobu is alive, then araragi is a vampire shinobu when she lost her parts, doesnt count as a vampire. she counts as a fragment of a vampire that has some of its traits. so if shinobu is not at 100% complete as an oddity and dies, araragi doesnt recover all its humanity because the parts are still there and he has to eliminate all the oddity not just a part. if shinobu is at 0.01% power, then araragi is 0.01% vampire. shinobu at 0.01% is still complete as an oddity, she has all the traits of a vampire but in a low level if araragi let die shinobu at 0.01%, he can regain all him humanity No matter how much of shinobus blood he sucks he wont level up as an oddity, because at the same time the less(/more) oddity existence/power shinobu has, the less(/more) araragi has too. if shinobu eats enought humans/blood, she can recover her oddity powers. did i get something wrong?

[@antimari22]

if shinobu eat human blood, she can become strong. but it not mean she become kiss shot again. it just become strong shinobu. Araragi drain kiss shot's blood with her 'Vampire existence' it self. that's why she lose her name

[@TheNazhoooox]

shinobu only gets strong if she drain araragi's blood because she can't obtain nutrients from other humans

[@marker52]

Nisemonogatari is actually my favorite anime and don't question me

[@alexanderholzer7392]

Lmao. I love Nise because it should honestly just be ridiculous shit-tier fanservice if you just judged by the episode synopses, but instead it's thoroughly enjoyable, filled with lots of fun character interactions, and still has a unifying theme and message with some nice Araragi and Shinobu development.

[@Mercure250]

@@alexanderholzer7392 Also, I love the music when Karen and Koyomi fight... uh when Karen beats the shit out of Koyomi, I mean

[@almhaemaezie7653]

i love nise to cause of toothbrush :)

[@theycallmebad]

You two should really read the book. Also: "What was his job?" As Oshino stated, he's the mediator. He maintains the Balance; he was the one who arranged the fighting 1v1 and made sure the hunters returned the limbs.

[@jalcome4201]

I think they mean the job that even got him to the city. Which is not something explained yet, at least explicitly

[@drasilisk2895]

Someone sent them some of the Light Novels in their most recent unboxing video and Jacob seemed pretty excited about it, so I'm sure they'll read them.

[@yugoxgc]

Honestly I'm amazed just how many art & animation styles they used in this O_O

[@MaidenLoaf]

Japanese flag everywhere always represented the sun in my mind - it's literally called the "Hi no Maru": "The circle of the sun".

[@leekeen21]

Omae ga ashita shine no nara, Boku no inochi ga ashita made de ii. Omae ga kyou ikite kure no nara, Boku mo mata ikite ikou. you will hear this line again in owarimonogatari season 2 and the answer from shinobu as well. But still a long journey to go there for you..

[@jalcome4201]

Yeah like a year or something lmao

[@haseddouremohamed7106]

Almost 3 hours ? What in the world is happening here ?

[@alexanderholzer7392]

The SOS brothers fell in love with Monogatari.

[@jalcome4201]

Boy this is so cool to see

[@alexanderholzer7392]

@@jalcome4201 Yeah I'm glad to see it. I could tell Bake hadn't quite landed correctly with them so this makes up for it.

[@yugoxgc]

There's a ton of different Vampire mythos. In some just getting bitten turns you into a vampire but there are others with a different take in it. In Hellsing (the Manga & the Ultimate Anime) you only get turned into a vampire if you are a virgin, otherwise you become a Ghoul (a Zombie ish thing). In some fiction it takes a vampire to consecutively feed on you several times to turn you

[@Qopa]

Shinobu was ready to kill herself so long ago. The story would've ended differently if Araragi didn't tell her that they should've eaten something first before turning him back to human. Araragi has also been forgetting the fact that she's a vampire since she has always been a kid to his eyes who needed protecting. The victimized you would call it. And the fact that he haven't felt hanger here is another reason for that as well that was why Oshino tried to hinted at it at the start of the movie. This also hinted why her first kin decided to kill himself. This is quite deep despite how simple the movie's theme is. Which is why I love this movie a whole lot since if you tweak one little event in this movie, it would've ended differently.

[@Mercure250]

Lol that Pirate of the Caribbeans ref. Also : In French, those (consonant) letters are just not pronounced, though in some cases, they are if the next word starts with a vowel. Sometimes, it indeed has to do with masculine vs feminine (green = "vert" in masc. vs "verte" in fem.), but sometimes, it's just used in word building ("univers" is always masculine, but we can build words like "universel" or "université" out of it). The reasons are more historical than anything. We stopped pronouncing a bunch of letters at the end of words, but it wasn't affected if it wasn't at the end of the word, hence why we don't pronounce the "T" in "vert", but we pronounce it in "verte", however we then don't pronounce the final "E", for example. We could technically get rid of those silent letters, which is something that is debated in some circles. We can argue that it gives character to the language, but it also makes it harder to learn, even for natives, to the point that some just accept they suck at it and don't make any efforts anymore, because they're just tired of trying. It even creates some language elitism, where those who don't master spelling are heavily looked down on (imagine grammar Nazis, but three times more aggressive... well, that's, like, pretty much the norm, in French; I'm not joking...). All in all, it makes us spend a lot of time studying the (useless) spelling of basic words, time that we could spend on more important things (like, to stay in the language sphere... expanding one's vocabulary). And don't get me started on the written grammar. We even have a random rule that was artificially introduced in the language more than 400 years ago for absolutely no reason (other than the guy who created that rule just liked how it worked in Italian, except it didn't even work like that in Italian, he made a mistake when he interpreted the rule). And it's a rule that just barely affects speech. The very great majority of the time, it only affects writing. It's ridiculous. And even when it applies to speech, there's only one word people actually apply it to. The argument from those who advocate for a spelling reform (like me, if you haven't guessed) is that a language has its character no matter how you decide to write it. With that, since the way we currently write makes it harder for no real good reason, we should reform it. Of course, the elitists and purists won't want that (and they pretty much control what's viewed as canon in the language, thanks to the Académie française and similar institutions), but I'd like to think making the language more accessible is important enough to convince a lot of people. I'm actually being quite concise here with all the arguments on the topic, and it's better to have a good knowledge of French and the French-speaking community to have a better idea, but it's a little sneak peak on the issue. And I think some of these thoughts could be applied to English too, but that's another topic.

[@paps3060]

where are you getting the idea she didn't have her heart for the first servant? oshino took her heart recently, the servant was hundreds of years ago. she couldn't save her first because she wasn't willing to die for him

[@BioMatic2]

now being serious i cant wait for them to reach episode 4 of nise. Most reaction i see are from people that are mostly confused during the whole scene wich is honestly quite dissapointing

[@BioMatic2]

@Sharon no Tamashii thats 5. im talking about the bathub scene

[@KnightCrown]

Then we have tiger arc T_T

[@fernandohinojosa3211]

T-T

[@DominoPivot]

My eyes are too dry for me to cry, but I'm still bawling and my whole body is shaking. This must be like, the fifth time I've watched this movie? Hurts every damn time. *Étoile et toi* also really hits the spot despite being a very, very simple poem. If you haven't, I highly recommend reading the Kizumonogatari novel. The audiobook is also excellent if you'd prefer that. The movies take a lot of creative liberties in order to create more striking scenes that convey the right mood without resorting to words, while the novel is full of inner monologues. Here's a thought to spark your curiosity: I don't think subway stations are common in rural towns.

[@Asuka0242]

Really glad you guys enjoyed these so much and that you stuck with it after the the first part of Bake which I don't think you guys were sold on

[@waahmed7830]

It makes me glad they watched kizu before nise, I loved bake but disliked nise, so I was worried that if they didnt like bake theyd absolutely hate nise and stop watching

[@Asuka0242]

@@waahmed7830 Yeah I think the weight that Kizu provides for subsequent scenes, particularly in Nise, should keep them invested when they otherwise might not be. I mean I love Nise but I certainly wouldn't fault anybody for not enjoying it

[@TheNazhoooox]

@@waahmed7830 x2

[@nekochibi2256]

Did you also feel succ'ed after watching that? Easily my favourite series. The best part is, we got this story near the end of Monogatari's animated cycle. Looking forward to nise or neko, whatever you guys are moving onto.

[@RainingSaturn]

FAR BETTER THAN TWILIGHT

[@shadowroxili123]

after having finally seen this conclusion (mind you i've only watched bake and like ep 1 of nise) araragi really picked the worst possible scenario for kiss shot huh, was it just attachment to her? because in the end there(in the stadium) he just ignored her begging and pleading and turned her into a shell of her former self, i think oshino put it the best at the end (the whole, removed her fangs plucked her nails crushed her throat and neutered her) and that really fucked me up at the end there especially when she was begging him to kill her and really messed with my view of araragi oh boy.... he really should have killed her and become human again, granted that would ruin the whole franchise and he probably would have gotten himself killed by an oddity but still oh man... this movie trilogy was really really good also i just realized hanekawa wanted him to "massage them properly for at LEAST one minute" was because she wanted to go all the way which after the initial shock and laughter(the whole humiliation play part really came out of nowhere) makes that scene kinda sad knowing they don't end up together in the end, even though she was ready and willing she cant even get that one moment with him :((

[@araragi5322]

Unconditional love I think is the most touted topic when discussing Araragi and Lola/Shinobu/Kiss-Shot. Later in the series I think they elaborate and in-fact the end of this movie, Araragi explains that his life is practically tied to Shinobu for eternity because of what he did (Turning her into an empty husk).She's the first person to make him laugh uncontrollably, be at the apex of happiness but also wound him so deeply that Araragi has taken it upon himself to live a life dictated on the state of another being. It's very complicated and I wish they explained it, but I don't think it can be solidly explained. This is however a popular interpretation (unconditional love) as the reason as to why he did what he had to do. And now because of the events of kizu (and after) we come to realize that Araragi's relationship with Shinobu is practically the most important in the whole series. More than friends, best friends, family, lovers. They're one and the other, although not the exact quote but to die when they die and to live whilst they are alive.

[@waahmed7830]

If yall want to see more of their monogatari content they put up a podcast (number 82) on their twitch talking bout bakemonogatari for an 1hour and 30 mins, They get into character analysis thats pretty interesting and accurate (as someone who didnt always like their theories and commentary, although they are miles above other reactors, I really liked the podcast as they get pretty in depth)

[@yami2227]

Toasted bread with peanut butter? :O

[@zero1343]

I really love Shinobu and Araragi's story together, I watched Kizu much later than this due to the release order and it really is so well done in the way it works great both here as context to their beginning but it also works great later in the story too as a rounding up of where they started and where they end up.

[@TristandTN]

guys, you both are cool!

[@iwantcoconutv2877]

So are they gonna watch all monogatari series? I wish they did

[@kaleid1014]

weekly reaction, now they're starting Nise

[@justpassingby3342]

what i have learnd from this movies is that oshino is a badass . shinobu is really kind . and mostly how much i love hanekawa. and yes now i know why araragi now always says that hanekawa is his ideal women.

[@gaharadere7955]

love your reaction! did they watch nekomonogatari kuro after this? or nisemonogatari?

[@GeneralCalculus]

Nise.

[@MyTiredAccount]

I like your shirt

[@yugoxgc]

Anyone else wish Araragi would grab Shinobu's hand in the very end?

[@SaucyMcLovin]

Have you guys ever reacted to Akira?

[@gaiko804]

Where are we going now? Nise? Neko:Kuro? Neko:Shiro? What now? Seriously though you guys are the best. It's already 2:00 A.M. here and I might as well continue your discussion later. I like that you endured the breast-fondling scene. Thinking about it, it may be a downgrade (to you guys) continuing the monogatari series since Kizu made it early. I just hope that the next arc, you continue to love the series knowing that Kizu made a huge impact on both of you. If you love Hanekawa, you'll love her more if you intend to watch Nekomonogatari next. I want to support you guys on Patreon but all I can do is watch all of your videos that is, hopefully, monetized. All in all, outstanding reaction. Thanks SOS Bros. Very Epic

[@daymi7300]

can't wait for kaiki greatness

[@e-manmorales2048]

How far in the series are they? Did they already watch neko black?

[@lizardon516]

Not yet. They've just watched two, Bakemonogatari and Kizumonogatari.

[@e-manmorales2048]

@@lizardon516 considering how much they love Hanekawa, it'd be a smoother transition into Neko rather than Nise, do u know if they plan to go chrono or release?

[@quartz_gg9090]

@@e-manmorales2048 Sorry but I have to say this. 1.Chronological is probably not the word your looking for AIRING is the term for it. 2. They're going Nise next. It's airing order from then on.

[@GeneralCalculus]

@@e-manmorales2048 Watchorder list is "Bakemonogatari (2009) Kizumonogatari Part 1: Tekketsu (2016) Kizumonogatari Part 2: Nekketsu (2016) Kizumonogatari Part 3: Reiketsu (2017) Nisemonogatari (2012) Nekomonogatari Black (2012) Monogatari Series Second Season (2013) Hanamonogatari (2014) Tsukimonogatari (2014) Owarimonogatari (2015) Koyomimonogatari (2016) Owarimonogatari (Part 2) (2017) Zoku Owarimonogatari (2018)"

[@lizardon516]

@@e-manmorales2048 They follow the release order, except Kizu.

[@yugoxgc]

Oh.... So Kiss-Shot is French, right?

[@areeshaj2585]

The scene where he sucks shinobu's blood and she was begging not to that scene hit me really hard maybe becuz I watched this movie before owari s2 I mean all the scenes where araragi and shinobu talk about this story in the whole series like in nise I didn't really understand those scenes becuz that time I haven't watched the movie after bake but when I finally watch this movie and watched that scene all emotions come to me and it broke me

[@xavmanisdabestest]

i had to turn away from the screen during the breast scene omg that made me cringe so hard but in the breast way possible. Also i'm not the biggest fan of the subs they were using for example "to be continued online" and "see how it ends on the web" that difference annoyed me despite being so minor. they got the jist of it so it doesn't matter too much. would appreciate them at some point reading the book just to get their opinion on things. it is a very good read.

[@Alex-yq1ci]

lmao, i did the same, it's weird watching that scene with other people

[@alexanderholzer7392]

@@Alex-yq1ci It's so funny on rewatch though, especially after having seen the VAs discuss the scene.

[@dannycui5503]

the theory is strong

[@shouz218]

At the very end, Araragi looked at the audience when he said "he would never recite this story to anyone". Well of course, other than the audience.

[@Nitos36]

Well he didn't wanna tell the story, which is why is why the series started with bake and not with the actual start of everything in Kizu, same with the events in the past involving Sodachi he's forgotten cause of his trauma

[@Jakokokoroko]

Also, we don't actually get to hear Araragi's monologues in this movie except for the very end there. So that's another take on how he will never recite this story since he usually comments on everything much more in the series overall. This was a stylistic choice from the movie director but it was certainly an intentional and thoughful one.

[@DeviiBT]

Hilariously badass fight, bittersweet ending, man this movie was amazing. P.S- Arararagi you chicken

[@TottoB]

Nise or neko kuro next guys?

[@antimari22]

nise

[@WolfGaming3]

NO FRENCH IS NOT GOOD XDDD when you keep struggling with it all your life in school it's hard and dumb.....but it's nice too also. Fuck I love and hate my language kill me --'

[@lizardon516]

Kizu was a missing piece of the puzzle for people watching in the anime release order. As you saw in Bake, there were many scenes "characters talking about unknown things to YOU but already happened before, that YOU don't know yet." That continued in the next 70+ episodes until Kizu films released. Once people watch Kizu in the release order, they really become eager to rewatch the past episodes all over again because they can at long last understand how the characters are actually thinking and how they are connected deep in their minds and souls. I think people in Japan back then bought disks after watching Kizu films the next half year until new arcs (Owari 2nd) released. I guess that should be also the producer's marketing strategy.

[@yourfaithlessfriend9399]

Regarding "the scene". For me it was excessive and, I think, that is because the films reach a much larger audience than monogatari fans, and I really appreciate that Jacob realized that it's not just about simple fanservise. The problem is that it ruins the treatment that the series gives to everything related to sexuality and metaphors about youth and adolescence. In addition to being used as a comedy or to break tension, you'll notice that the distance between the characters is not the same before and after those types of scenes, the characters get naked in a literal and a figurative way. More ahead in the series there are several very clear examples. This series not only uses sexuality as a resource of fanservise but is one of the few animes that I know where sexuality is part of the construction of its characters. Black Hanekawa is sensual and violent because she is the embodiment of the repressed desires and frustrations of Hanekawa, Senjougahara is possessive and threatening with Araragi because (having not resolved her traumas for having been raped) she fears that he will break with her, and for that reason she "compensates" him with dirty talk. By the way, when Araragi says he does not intend to tell this story (kizu) to anyone, he says it literally. This event is treated with much mystery throughout the series. That's why those of us who followed the series in broadcast seemed like the final piece of the puzzle (I really recommend that you watch the series in order of emission). I apologize if you did not understand. I do not have good English

[@konstantinekalandia1138]

despite dropping this series after kize couple times, just for you Bros I'm gonna give nisemono another chance. Hope I'll be proved a fool for not watching it before ;-)

[@Simpaiii]

nise is probably the weakest part of monogatari, after that it gets better and better

[@lizardon516]

Please rewatch Kizu one year later. You've just watched it as the first season(novel term), and good to watch it again before Owari 2nd as in the release order. Anyway, I look forward to seeing you two watching more Hanekawa episodes based on Kizu:)

[@Zeon081]

lookout! best girl incoming!

[@Omnimegas]

hanekawa is the true protagonist of this show

[@GeneralCalculus]

TBH Hanekawa feels like deuteragonist of this series. At least up to certain point.

[@ilkerkorkmaz4050]

After this You should watch nekomonogatari:kuro

[@ТұрсынханӘлижан]

прекрати жрать)

[@kdog1000Again]

Truly reason they took so long to make the kizu movies was to make sure they didn't ruin AraragixSenjogahara for anime viewers

[@antimari22]

just lazy director problem

[@ugamerzextraflipt1397]

should have watched this after nise in my opinion since her real name and the fact that they cant forgive each other should be known before hand

[@antimari22]

all reactors laugh in the last battle scene. it is reasonable because it is comedy scene. but it makes me bitter. because this battle is one of most serious/cruel part in the novel. i can't laugh think about how director ruin this mood.

[@GeneralCalculus]

Personally I though it's fitting because there's some inherent dark humor about two immortals locked in fruitless deathmatch. But I guess that's just me. And I've read the novel.

[@crisxias]

Well kizu and bake watched now Next for watch should be: -kuro -nise -second season -tsuki -owari -owari second season -hana -Zokuowari Al finish in monogatari.

[@antimari22]

nope

[@GeneralCalculus]

Kuro is after Nise, that's how it was meant to be.

[@crisxias]

@@GeneralCalculus kuro is before bake and after Kizu.

[@GeneralCalculus]

@@crisxias Yes. Chronologically it is. But not narratively.

[@ookam9685]

incoming worst season ever...Nise