Ben Shapiro Questions Calvinism as defined by Allie Stuckey

Dr. Leighton Flowers, Director of Evangelism and Apologetics for Texas Baptists, plays a clip from an interview between Ben Shapiro and Allie Stuckey (seen here: • Allie Stuckey | The Be... ) where Allie explain 5-point Calvinism. Ben, being a very logical thinker who can spot a contradiction with he sees it, immediately pushes back by asking Allie how she "squares that circle."
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[@airikd6535]

Hearing Leighton describe Romans 9 is like an Emmaus road experience. It makes one's heart want to break out in worship like the apostle and say _"Oh, the depth of the riches of both the wisdom and knowledge of God!"_ God bless Dr. Flowers

[@mikemcclellan7026]

Well said AIRik!

[@ProjectCould]

Although Allie was slightly inconsistent about her statements on freewill, she does recognize the gist of what Paul is actually teaching in Romans 9. Paul is teaching consistent double predestination. In fact, Romans 9 rebukes all infralapsarian Calvinists, Arminians, non-Calvinists, and even High Calvinists! Paul is teaching the dreaded doctrine of Equal Ultimacy, where God is indeed the author of sin! How so? Sin is caused by God hardening people’s hearts. He made Pharoah sin...and every time we sin, God made us sin, yet he still finds fault with us. It’s just the way God is. We are all puppets and robots, and the sooner we realize this glorious truth, the better off we will be.

[@lindsaybarlow7946]

@@ProjectCould are you being sarcastic? I’m really new to this discussion.

[@ProjectCould]

@@lindsaybarlow7946 I’m not being sarcastic. I really do believe that everything that happens has been predetermined by God, and that God brings all of the things he has predestined to pass by his power alone - therefore at the end of the day we are “puppets”.

[@lindsaybarlow7946]

@@ProjectCould how do you not despair?

[@robinkirk1821]

I don’t know what I would’ve done without your teachings. I came from a Calvinist church that hurt me terribly. Thank you, truly, from the bottom of my heart, for these videos!

[@everytingYay]

How did the Calvinist Church hurt you?

[@robinkirk1821]

John Ndung'u The incorrect doctrine caused a breach in my relationship with Christ. It, also, caused a distorted view of God which almost cost me my faith. But Praise God He pulled me out of it. That was the biggest pain, but also the people in the church hurt me terribly. It was more of an occult out in the middle of no where. This is just to summarize; there is more in the details...

[@roguedaskill]

Hello, But tell me this one thing, how can a single prophecy be determined, rather than a suggestion and a guess of the future, if GOD always leaves room for people's free will, and doesn't predetermined a future matter?

[@robinkirk1821]

LukeYeshuaisLight Prophesy is God “for telling” what is going to happen in the future based on His Foreknowledge. In the Old Testament, God would foretell what was going to happen/how He would either bless or discipline the Israelites based on their choices to obey or disobey Him. “If you do this.... then I’ll do this... if you don’t obey my commands, then I’ll do this...” and so forth. We have a choice to either obey God or disobey Him, believe on His Son as the only means of Salvation, or not. He is not going to force us, but He does know whom is going to choose Him and whom isn’t.... He’s God!!

[@Joshtheigbo]

@@robinkirk1821 your story sounds like mine

[@Emper0rH0rde]

Isn't it odd how every person who preaches Calvinism is conveniently already "saved"? It's super easy to tell people "yeah, you're going to hell, and you are absolutely helpless to do anything about it" when you know it's not going to happen to you. Why bother praying "God, be merciful to me, a sinner" when God never "elected" you? What a terrible, fatalistic dogma to raise children with.

[@DS-ll5fn]

Good point!

[@EvangelistAidan]

Sometimes I question the salvation of Calvinists...

[@CS_Lewis]

exactly...God may choose me with pure Grace and its a neverending hapiness for me... because iam a sinner and i dont deserve him but he chooses me. But someone is not choose because he is destined to be a sinner but God does not show Grace on him for what???Thats my question....For he is a sinner amd God knows weather he will want him or not??? Wait are we talking about want?? Am i not save Just by grace and that i cant even want or choose either???...its alllll mix up...will God ever do that seems senseless thats my point

[@blackfalkon4189]

@@EvangelistAidan I always question it

[@oracleoftroy]

Doesn't every Christian believe they are saved? Why single out Calvinists?

[@mikerobertson4041]

One question I've always had is, how does Allie, or any other Calvinist, know that they are one of the chosen few, and are not just fooling themselves into believing they are saved. There are so many things about Calvinism that are just indefensible.

[@ryrocks9487]

Calvin didn’t even know this and died terrified that he wasn’t.

[@sdm101869]

Very astute point. Seems pretty arrogant to assume you are calvinist because you won't really know until your either in heaven or the hot place

[@thetruthinhim8862]

To me the answer would be: if you're chosen tou will bear good fruit and be obedient to Christ till your last breath. This election thing is just an explanation of how people make it to the other side. As a Calvinist my worry is not so much was I chosen or not, but will Jesus say to me "depart from me for I never knew you you who practice lawlessness" (Matt 7:21).

[@gavinostertag1023]

Often it's baked in. If you understand and agree that is one of the proofs of a regenerate soul. Without God’s preview isn't grace you would not understand and agree with the gospel (or the calvanistic gospel as they see it).

[@MultipleGrievance]

​@gavinostertag1023 That's what every denomination thinks. They believe the holy spirit will guide believers to THIER peculiar Understanding of scripture. And if you don't agree with their doctrine, Even if you are claiming to be Christian, That's just proof that you don't possess the holy spirit.

[@BackToOrthodoxy]

I am a calvinist but I’m listening because If I’m wrong I want to know. I enjoyed this.

[@StingofTruth]

I appreciate your willingness to consider other views.

[@foolishdrunk2181]

How can you be Calvinist if you are open to the possibility of being wrong?

[@BackToOrthodoxy]

Foolish Drunk huh?

[@uncasunga1800]

@@foolishdrunk2181 because hes twenty. He knows nothing yet.

[@craigsherman4480]

If you get a chance, please read ‘Why were Catholic’ or check out the Counsel of Trent by Trent Horn. It will give you some great insight into the Catholic Church.

[@HiVisl]

I have never understood why Calvinists can't marry God's sovereignty with human free will! Calvinists have such a low view of God's sovereignty. God is so amazing he can give everyone free will and STILL accomplish everything he wants (without being surprised by anything)-that, my friend is an awesome God.

[@YoxxSHIxx]

Facts Hes more awesome with free will become His will can't be resisted regardless of what we choose.

[@mayowankenobi]

I’m not sure why we cannot accept that free will and predestination are compatible.

[@ceasedesist9676]

Cause predestination entails determinism, what you do has only 1 outcome, therefore there is no free will. It's not about the probability of other outcomes but the possibility of there being other outcomes. Even if 99% is skewed to one possibility, the presence of a 1% denotes a free will.

[@oracleoftroy]

I'm not sure what you mean, Calvinism has always affirmed both. Look at the historic confessions for example. For example, the Westminster Confession spends all of chapter 9 laying out the Calvinist understanding of human free will, and in 3.1 it quite explicitly states that God ordains whatsoever comes to pass, and that includes establishing human free will and the liberty and contingency of second causes by what he ordains. It's typically the non-Calvinists that have a hard time explaining how the Bible can equally credit both God and man for some action, especially when man's purpose is morally evil, yet Gen 50: 20, Job 1, and many other passages has no problem equally crediting man and God while affirming that man meant it for evil but God for good. They seem to believe it is mutually exclusive, so it's either God or man, never both. Or if it is both, it can't be morally asymmetric such that God purposes man's sin for good while man purposes it for evil and God will hold them accountable for that evil. I think the heart of the debate isn't free will, but is our will free from God. Calvinists answer no, we are contingent creatures created by God and our free will is established by what God ordains. Non-Calvinists tend to not define what they mean by free will but seem to affirm that it is free from God.

[@thegipper4501]

Very Good Jay........I have always wondered why the Calvinist thinks that God's sovereignty is threatened by the free moral agency of man.....which by the way, He has designed into our very being. God is indeed....AWESOME!

[@markreiber4457]

A non Christian hearing her first statement would freak out on believing that is how God is ,wow

[@GraveMistake1]

Brother Leighton you are a foot soldier for truth. I am so glad I found your channel.

[@Emper0rH0rde]

I love Allie Stuckey, but once again, Calvinism fails to hold up to scrutiny. According to her doctrine, God created certain people specifically to throw them into hell, for the purpose of glorifying himself, yet they are *still* somehow to blame for the transgressions that *God* ordained they would commit before the foundation of the world, and Romans 9 is the defense shield used whenever anybody points out this inconsistency. "God works in mysterious ways" is just another way of saying "I have no idea what I'm talking about."

[@mirandataylor6385]

Allie and so many others are using false religious beliefs in politics to confuse so many Christians. I’ve removed myself from conservatives and I’ve never been more at peace.

[@cord11ful]

@@daelinproudmore5068 They do actually, quite a lot. They create unnecessary false conundrums, and when called on it by others, they fall back on 'Oh that's a mystery; only God knows'. There is a place for acknowledging mysteries (things God hasn't revealed); when it's found in the bible. But Calvinists create their own logical conundrums & call them mysteries of God. They claim superior logic, and when they tie themselves up in illogical contradictions, pike out with 'mystery'. I've seen it over and over.

[@daelinproudmore5068]

@@cord11ful Like what?

[@penbenner2319]

What in the world are they thinking God is glorifying himself dunking people in hell it’s so disgusting and misguided miss information it makes no sense. As of my understanding in who God is. I want nothing to do with a God that created people just to distroy them for his intertainment it’s like ceaser who threw Christian in the circus to be devoured by animals my God is a God that wants everyone to come to him

[@justanotherbaptistjew5659]

The reason Calvinists use Romans 9 is because it literally addresses the objections you just made. You argued, “why would God create someone just to destroy them” and Romans 9 gives the answer. You say “how is that just?” And Romans 9 gives the answer.

[@lpl433]

I followed the Calvin doctrine when I first got saved because down here in New Zealand every church is either Pentecostal or liberal, so for me it was a breath of fresh air to listen to Christians that were serious about God, but the more I went further into it I became confused, and couldn't get past election. As I lived it out I noticed I was becoming ungraceful towards unbelievers, I still appreciate Calvinists and what they've stood for but I really appreciate this video on Roman's 9 really insightful.

[@HaydenBray-ns5rx]

Liberal is bad but Pentecostal is fine so long as their gospel is correct. You should be happy they aren't all Calvinist.

[@antoniobarbosa6097]

Dr. Flowers, I want to thank you for taking a stand for the truth of God's word! After spending 3 weeks in a Calvinist church, what was being taught wasn't making sense for me! When I questioned the leadership I was given two books to read. The first one made me question myself and the 2nd one made me question them even more!!! Then I found your podcast and I was set free! Keep spreading the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ! Blessings brother 🙏!

[@MrMikeylikesit2010]

So I took some theology courses on hermenutics and exegesis and one thing I learned ( amongst many other) is that a single verse must be read in the context of the passage, the passage in the context of the chapter, and the chapter in context of the Book, and last of all the book in context of the Testimony (Old/New) and the Tesstimony in context of the entire Bible. If using this method of study it totally destroys the Calvinist doctrine. Along many other false/errenous teachings: 2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

[@uncasunga1800]

Try Romans Malachi Hebrews all of Pauls writings John Peter The whole OT Hosea You are one extra stupid hombre.

[@daniellewallace7914]

Amen! Studying in context totally destroys calvinist heresy

[@a-aron6724]

@@uncasunga1800 it's ok essay

[@YoxxSHIxx]

@@uncasunga1800 read past romans 9 the next 2 chapters tie in. Pray and ask God to reveal the truth to you. If calvanism is true stay calvanist, if not repent for the kingdom of God is at hand.

[@Alan-hw1np]

You should read in Leviticus 16 how God limited atonement to Israel.

[@brotherderek]

I am having a conversation with a Christian, who is Calvinist, and they hold onto their position so strongly it is almost as if they are brainwashed. Honestly, I don't think any of them truly believe it, but they have been seduced into believing it is the "smart thing to do." I don't see the God of the Bible is Calvinism at all. Too many scriptures that don't fit into that systematic.

[@MultipleGrievance]

The numbers don't lie. If thier are 5 scriptures you can use as proof texts but 89 that contradict your interpretation of them, you've very likely misinterpreted your proof texts.

[@Peregrin3]

God only hardened Pharoah's heart after he hardened his own heart.

[@daddada2984]

that idea its also in the new testament... i just cant find the verse.

[@evanu6579]

@@daddada2984 Rom 9. But it doesn’t say anything after he hardened his own heart. Whether he hardened his heart after or not doesn’t really matter. Pharaoh was a wicked man who was killing the children of God’s chosen people. God decided to bring judgement upon him for it. Hardening is like setting ones stance. It’s not changing it. It’s not allowing them to change their mind/repent. Pharaoh was hardened in his evil ways so as to receive judgement to make God’s power know throughout the world.

[@daddada2984]

@@evanu6579 thnx... but romans 1 is more related... Its about man harder his heart & God completes the desire of that man. Romans 9 is more on the choosing of Israel.. I cant judge the pharaoh, we dont know if he repented. he has no good knowledge about the true God. As we cant judge other ethnic people outside Israel.

[@evanu6579]

@@daddada2984 I see. Some say that Rom 1 is about Israel as well. It does fit if you cross reference the evil things Israel did in the OT. They are the ones who knew God and changed the truth of Him into worshipping four footed beasts. They also knew the judgement of God. Rom 3:1 ¶ What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 9 ¶ What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; Something to consider. God bless.

[@daddada2984]

@@evanu6579 yes, its also applicable to Israel, because Israel people are people, human, individual human... Rom 1 is individuals base of hearts Rom 9 is the Israel as chosen people of God, where His Son will be bringing from.

[@elijah1047]

Thank for what you do, I could never agree with calvinism, and people tried to convert me over. I'm thankful for this channel for helping me see even more why this is a wrong way of viewing God and salvation.

[@jeckbalaquiao4119]

I am a Christian..I don't believe in Calvinism..

[@ironlion805]

Leighton you are so generous with these guys. Bless you for blessing those who don’t bless.

[@ryanwallbiz]

Leighton what you said at the end of this video absolutely spoke to my heart. So I want to make an offer. I currently work for a rather large organization (Focus on the Family) in the digital marketing department. I've worked with dozens of ministries over the past 7-8 years to develop and coordinate everything from designing a website to fundraising to managing events and conferences. Your ministry has been absolutely key to me being able to navigate the relationships with my Reformed friends and you've absolutely changed my life. You're deep dive into theology has been massively and profoundly impactful on my theology and explaining what I believe and why. All that to say I want to volunteer my services in helping you and Soteriology 101 in increasing your reach and I want to help with what you were talking about at the end of this video, and I want to do it for free. And not introductory free and then I start charging, I mean absolutely free. I just want to spread this message as far and as deep as possible. If you can tell me what the best way to start this conversation is, I would love to help.

[@JamesLee-pb6dl]

Awesome 👏

[@protruth1]

The most reprehensible part of Calvinism is the utter and complete misrepresentation of the character and nature of God.

[@Do_not_at_me_bro]

I thought a lot of athiests did that, but I guess they were given Calvinist teachings from people they trusted.

[@MayLeighCole]

Dr. Flowers I want to thank you so very much for desiring to continue in fighting the good fight of faith and running the race to the glory of our King, Jesus Christ. God has given you this mission field and I’m grateful you are choosing to be faithful. I am of the young generation (21 yr old) and I have grown up in a Calvinist leaning church. Yet my family has used those teachings we disagree on with our church as a time to search the scripture and know what we believe and why we believe it. I am not one to comment online but I wanted to encourage you, as I have been encouraged by you, that you are not alone in holding to this truth found in God’s word. My family and I have been very blessed and helped by your work. Your resource has been one that has helped me to see and articulate why I believe what I believe found in God’s Word. For anyone else who may read this comment please, please open up God’s word and READ it instead of identifying with the teaching of a mere man. The text is inspired, man is not. The Scripture provides commentary on every work of man not the other way around. Seek to be children of God and follow what Scripture actually says rather than the teaching of John Calvin or Arminias or anyone else. They were men. God is God. 1 Corinthians 1:10-13,17 “Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgement. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, ‘I am of Paul,’ or ‘I am of Apollos,’ or ‘I am of Cephas,’ or ‘I am of Christ.’ Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?…For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.” My plea in quoting this is we are not to be identifying with the teachings of mere men brothers and sisters but we are to be a people who read God’s Word and obey what He says. Dr. Flowers an encouragement I want to add to you sir, is to continue. Don’t give up the fight for truth. “Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.”(Heb.12:1-2) God bless you sir. And thank you!

[@joeyseven17teen6]

Just listening to Calvinism will have you like...🤔🤔??

[@Do_not_at_me_bro]

That is the correct response

[@markshaneh]

Or 🤦🏽

[@MandyGood]

I use to be a Calvinist but not anymore and this lady reminds me of my Calvinist parents and Calvinist church I grew up in. Gosh. I can’t stand it. Wow. You blew my mind with the interpretation of romans 9. I never heard it the way you explained it and a light bulb went off in my mind. Omgosh, thank you so much! I been praying for this moment for the past 8 years of my life! Thank you. God bless you so much. Btw I bought your book on kindle. You helped me so much with your videos. Please keep making more! I have to mention real fast that the Greek word for hate is love less. It doesn’t mean to hate. Jesus never said to hate our parents but to love them less than Him. That’s all. Many bibles do not have the correct translation. So it’s important to know the Greek and Hebrew and look at a strongs concordance. Why don’t you rise up? You are wonderful and impacting people with these videos. Moses said he’s not good at speaking. Maybe God could use you. I don’t have job to help out.

[@tommcmichael8679]

Leighton, you are doing more than you realize. You are right that others need to step up. Some "big dogs" but also the little dogs. Us pastors in the trenches need to write, preach, teach, video, etc the correct interpretations of Scriptures. Maybe develop our own "together for the gospel" type of group? Start on-line and grow it aggressively. Connect with those groups already strong in this doctrine. It takes people and persons to take the lead. This goes beyond the SBC.

[@MPoweredChristianMinistries]

Tom McMichael Agreed. I’m down! The real shame is that names like “Together for the Gospel” and “Gospel Coalition” SHOULD connect evangelicals for the sake of the gospel regardless of whether Calvinist or not. If we were truly coming together for the sake of the gospel, for the mission of the Church, then as long as we all hold to the five solas this matter should be considered an of-secondary-importance, in-house discussion.

[@victoryamartin9773]

@@MPoweredChristianMinistries Sounds sweet, but I don't agree. I think Calvinism is pulling people away from the Truth and should be avoided like the plague. It is a false doctrine, a different gospel, and those who teach it are in peril of condemnation. See Galatians 1 where Paul considers such false teachers to be accursed.

[@victoryamartin9773]

Yes, please please please do this! We need you to step up to it! I'm doing what I can, one person at a time. If you are a pastor, speak it to your church and encourage them to get involved. This is a battle for Truth. The church needs to wake up and fight!

[@jasoncortez3340]

I love you Leighton and all other Christians here, thank you so much for this commentary. These kinds of videos give me peace so that it doesn't feel like my mind is being pulled in two. I hate Limited Atonement, doesn't make sense with John 3:16. Cheers.

[@MarkNOTW]

Jason Cortez Exactly

[@Shikuesi]

How odd though, seeing that the verse specifically pinpoints "those who believe in him" as the beneficiaries of Christ's atoning death

[@markreiber4457]

Calvinism equals double mindedness

[@Do_not_at_me_bro]

And double mindedness makes one unstable in all their ways.

[@Ajx100x]

Might be good to prove it rather than just say it… who will lay charge against Gods elect? :p

[@markreiber4457]

@@Ajx100x trust me I can but would you change your mind ? Probably not ,just like a life long friend of mine , we have study this subject for years and he still is a calvinist lol

[@Ajx100x]

@@markreiber4457 Um I recently changed my view from non calvisnt to calvisnt but let’s see what ya got man don’t be a lazy Christian ;) haha

[@markreiber4457]

@@Ajx100x man I dont want to do all that writing lol yes trust me I get all that election predestined stuff but one must rightly divide the scriptures so I'll give you one scripture we all know .God is willing that non parish ,,,

[@WayneFocus]

Mr Flowers this is the best explanation of Romans 9 I have ever heard, and most of all it makes sense to me. Continue with your passion, God will open the doors.

[@BirchKST]

@@Spr1ggan87 So you're just assuming ill intent on the behalf of a fellow believer who hasn't arrived at the same conclusion you have? You honestly don't think someone can listen to the explanation, hear the reasoning and read the scripture for themselves and come to that understanding? Or is Calvinism now a necessary component to salvation?

[@bigdogboos1]

I loath Calvinism. But most of my brothers at church whom I love are calvinisnts. They’re just misinformed. It truly is a illogical and irrational philosophy, one rooted not in observing how God interacts with is in all history, but on a few verses used out of context. Sad because any non believer who hears of this will say it’s nonsense, and for good reason

[@makedisciples8653]

Agreed. C.S.Lewis said it best ... “If you talk nonsense about God, it’s still nonsense.”

[@makedisciples8653]

Agreed. C.S.Lewis said it best ... “If you talk nonsense about God, it’s still nonsense.”

[@arthurhaglund5129]

IF they are Calvinists, they are NOT your Brothers.

[@bigdogboos1]

@@arthurhaglund5129 that's not true at all. believing something false does not make you a non Christian. Just like you likely believe at least something wrongly regarding doctrine ... that does not make you an infidel. Not believing the Gospel makes you that. Many of my closest Christian friends are Calvinistic in their thinking, but they are doing more for the Lord than most i know. That's just an asinine statement to make. Christ warned you of doing things like that, trying to rip up the tears on your own lest you pull up the wheat also.

[@arthurhaglund5129]

@@bigdogboos1 I am sorry that you have not thought this through, biblically. My stance is Biblical, logical, rational, and the only Biblical stance there is. YOUR immediate error is to say that believing 'something' false does not make a person a non-Christian. Well, that is too broad a statement. In fact, it is so broad, that it has no real meaning. Does believing that God is a nebulous energy field make one a non-Christian? YES! Does believing that Jesus did not come to die for 100%, did not die for 100% and did not want to die for 100% of humanity make one a non-Christian? YES!, but that is only part of it. Calvinism teaches a 100% false god that mimics the true God. Calvinism teaches in very clear language and examples and confessions, that Calvigod is the one and only root of sin, he is the cause of all sin, he brings about all sin! THAT is not the nail in the coffin, it IS the coffin. There is NO form of Calvinism that claims that every single bit of what comes to pass is not subject to the Calvinistic sovereignty of Calvigod. No rogue atoms, so to speak. In other words, Calvinism holds to a false god and a false Christ. This makes it antichristian doctrine, heretical and no one who holds to it is saved, unless they are not caught up in it, holding it absolutely, but are on a journey, learning, growing and leaving behind error once it is shown to be error. Jame White? John MacArthur? John Piper? RC Sproul? ALL unsaved. They have, each and every single one of them, been corrected, fully, truthfully, contextually, and lovingly so. And they reject the true Jesus, who wants all to come, who died for all, whose father is not the root cause of any sin! As far as other types of doctrinal error, such as if Mary was a virgin after the Birth of Jesus until her death, well you are right, THAT is not a salvific issue. The trinity understanding is also not a salvific issue. If one thinks modalism is true, or duality, God and the Sprit are the same thing and Christ is a second person, instead of 3 persons, is not damnable, either. the bible gives no hint that proper understanding of the Being of God is salvific, but many who accept the unsaved heretic Calvinist will proclaim as damned one who is not a trinitarian. I know that no false God saves, Believing in a false Christ cannot save. You seem to teach otherwise.

[@H1ana2digital]

I'm praying for you Leighton that you get the support! Its a worthy cause!

[@RPM11111]

Brilliant! Thank you, brother. What I find difficult is the arrogance and beligerence of the Calvinists I encounter. I thank the Lord for your display of humility and patience. Keep on your knees, brother.

[@alexjoneschannel]

Dude, I'm trying to have a soteriological discussion with a Calvinist at my church, and he just says Molinism is silly and won't present his objections.

[@RPM11111]

@@alexjoneschannel The Calvinist has been shoe-horned into their Calvinistic beliefs through the false dichotomy of "synergism Vs monergism" (entirely philosophical terms not found in Scripture). In essence, even if you firmly believe that no one can come to Christ unless the Father draws Him, if you suggest that man has any part in appropriating the free gift of salvation by any response of his own will, that is nothing short of synergism and you are robbing God of His glory. So, not wanting to ever dare do that, the poor fellow tumbles through the monergism trapdoor into the theological framework of Calvinism. That is, they learn to believe that God is 100% sovereign and that sovereignty is best conveyed by something akin to a great lone chess player who simply can't lose because he is in fact calling all the shots...or playing against himself. Yes, every single event in the universe is executed as part of God's sovereign will. When you extrapolate this out, it is an extremely dark view of God. Because the other side of that coin, by necessity, has Satan's rebellion, to Adam and Eve's fall to every heinous act of sin to every soul that will be eternally tormented in hell, in fact, all part of God's sovereignly preferred script to glorify Himself. Yes, I'm afraid in their bid to preserve God's sovereignty the Calvinist violates God's equally important attributes of holiness, justice and love.

[@JasmineDiaz]

I've been battling w Calvinism because on one hand my church's doctrine has predestination and now that I'm doing my own research about it, so many things don't make sense to me. I tried to talk to my dad about it but he just tried to shut down any discussion about it by making me read a book of doctrine my church's lead pastor made. I'm just 17 and things like this are ones I want to be able to discuss w wiser adults. if Calvinism were true, then why are Christians against abortion? I'm against them, but seeing it from a Calvinist lense, if these babies are killed its because God is allowing it .... so then why should I be pro-life? it's things like this that doesn't make much sense to me

[@MauriceMossisitnot]

I'm glad to meet you, sister in Christ! I too have been battling with Calvinism since a friend leading a Bible study used my insecurity about intelligence to try and pitch Calvinism to me. We read Romans 9 together and after viewing it in that way I almost became agnostic. It didn't help that ex-calvinists online said, "Calvinists are logically accurate but God is cruel for basically making people to go to hell" and thus they became an athiest or agnostic or that my grandma told me my great uncle studied theology and came out the other end an atheist or that my parents who usually have a lot of Biblical knowledge and wisdom had pretty much no clue what Calvinism was. I was on my own and depressed for a week trying to reconcile God's omniscience and omnibenevolence (sovereignty vs free-will) and some days the only thing holding me back from renouncing my faith was a fear of dying and going to hell, but I've been trying to figure this out as my faith is in jeopardy over this and these videos have been helping me because I thought there was something wrong with me because the Calvinistic presentation of God's character didn't sit well with me and according to my friend, I was supposed to find it 'comforting'. It doesn't make sense to me either. The Bible is so easily misinterpreted especially after being translated into a vastly different socio-linguistic context and I've seen this deceive and tear the body of Christ apart time and time again(over anything from soteriology to pre vs post tribulation and continuation etc.) , this is one of the things that turns unbelievers off big time, breaks my heart and God's, so I think humility and understanding as well as an open heart to hear the Lord is crucial when reading the Bible especially in these end times.

[@willya6690]

Hi sis. Yo know, John McArthur said: I feel your pain too. That seems to me that he also struggles with this issue. I recommend you to listen to the sermon “Jacon and Esau” by Charles Spurgeon. Also, stick with A W Tozer theology. Also ask yourself why would God use Jonathan Edwards to bring up a revival. And why very notable cristians in the past such as Luther, Calvin, John Bunyan, Spurgeon, George Muller and others like Washer and McArthur hold to this kind of theology. Let me tell you something personal. When I come to a passage where it tells me about human responsibility, I praise God, but when I come to a passage where it says that God chooses whoever he wants, I stop, kneel down and adore God. All this matter just got me closer to God even I don’t still comprehend this very well. Blessings

[@saskiascott8181]

Trust that God is able to hear your doubts and that he rejoices in your intelligent mind and compassionate heart. Don't stop thinking and talking about this and don't be afraid to yell at God if you're angry or afraid! You'd be in good company with Jeremiah and the authors of the Psalms and Ecclesiastes :) peace

[@justanotherbaptistjew5659]

“The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may observe all the words of this law. - Deuteronomy 29:29 God works all things together according to the counsel of His will, in a manner beyond our comprehension. Yet He also has revealed that it is an offense to His holiness when we unjustly end the lives of others.

[@evelynerazohernandez9354]

I was given that book and have learned a lot...Thank God he he removed that band from your eyes and heart and have left that doctrine of Calvinist.

[@Dizzinator2114]

There was a book I read I forgot. Them name maybe later I'll add it, but in it he basically said any doctrine you can think of that would paint god as unrighteous then it isn't of god, and that settled the Calvinism debate for me. I don't think the book was about Calvinism but that was something in there that the author said.

[@evelynerazohernandez9354]

Phillip Hickman men and women is Good and evil.

[@tess1544]

Phillip Hickman ...And God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son that WHOSEVER believes will not perish but have everlasting life.

[@a-aron6724]

@Danny Murdach you'll not find any amens here. Go to an RC Sproul or John Piper video if you want some accolades based on your ability to conjure up regurgitated Calvinistic talking points.

[@a-aron6724]

@Danny Murdach well I would run far in the opposite direction of Calvinisim if you're trying to learn.

[@theresa263]

Calvinism is simply another gospel

[@karacole2304]

How so? State your claim.

[@rissroo4325]

It doesn’t make sense though. Belief being a work being one of those things that doesn’t make a lick of sense.

[@bowmannation]

@@karacole2304 Gospel means good news. Calvinism doesnt have good news for the lost.

[@cameronc1509]

Calvinists LOVE saying the word tulip and smirking like it’s super cute

[@oracleoftroy]

Lol. Personally I hate TULIP, as anti-Calvinists refuse to put in the work to understand what it means and instead assume that the first thing that popped into their head on hearing the two word phrases that make up TULIP must be what is meant. I encourage everyone to go to primary sources, in this case the Canons of Dort, if one wants to engage honestly and effectively in this debate.

[@Roger-il8iw]

Wow that first question by Ben pretty much destroyed Calvinism before she answered

[@blanktrigger8863]

@ACROSS If you believe that the Christian "obession" (racist) with the Jews is bad then you're calling the OT racist and have yourself fallen for the things of the Satan.

[@blanktrigger8863]

@ACROSS Everything you've said here is a caricature so you have no point. Nobody worships the Jews and very few people think they have any sort of special knowledge so you're generalizing from an exception. However, YHWH did clearly say those who bless them will be blessed and those who curse them will be cursed. So if you can logically prove that adhering to this is wrong or racist or obsessed, then go ahead, but understand that you're bringing these charges against YHWH and the OT. Leave the caricature at home.

[@blanktrigger8863]

@ACROSS Whenever I see the word "triggered" I know the person is going to go full blown into disregarding logic so. Either post a logical response or you'll be ignored. You're already exposing yourself and the true origins of your comments as being anti-biblical with this kind of cultural anti-sjw language. I'd like to see if you can prove biblical origins for your beliefs. That's the point. Let's leave the fallacy in the trash.

[@stefanbach7652]

I have been on Christian Forums and argued against Calvinism and all that happens is that the non Calvinist gets overwhelmed by the Calvinists who band together. Nothing has changed, no body has been saved. The Calvinists have been brainwashed to believe that any objections by non Calvinists just proves that God has hardened our hearts to be non believers and that we are not the 'chosen' ones. Hopefully with the posts still there maybe someone reads them and rejects Calvinism. I leave anti Calvinist posts on Calvinistic KZbin videos. Dunno if they work or not.

[@baruch4401]

How does Allie know that her child will not be born a reprobate? If a Calvinist parent has five children, there is the possibility some will be elected, while others are condemned to hell?

[@sanctifiedbytruth4364]

"The voice of ONE crying in the wilderness". We know this is said of John the Baptist but it also applies to encourage the way every believer can feel from time to time. Keep up the fight Leighton, even if your the only one which you are not but the enemy likes to make us feel that way to discourage us into losing heart.

[@victoryamartin9773]

Good word for the weary!

[@mary-janechambers3596]

It seems that Calvinists dominate the KZbin popular preaching. When I was leaning towards Calvinism I read Dave Hunts book “What Love is This?” And that forever settled in my mind that God chose no one for eternal destruction. And Hunt provided overwhelming scriptural support

[@MarkNOTW]

Mary-Jane Chambers I’m glad you decided to believe that God so loved THE WORLD!

[@athenkosinqampoyi6611]

@@MarkNOTW amen to that!

[@bobbyrobby3600]

Yes the book by Dave Hunt is extremely life-saving "What love is this?"

[@livingwater7580]

@@Spr1ggan87 the Hebrew word is not hated is loved less and its God choosing Israel above the first born Essau, no first born son from Adam to David in the genealogy of Jesus ever received the FIRST BORN INHERITANCE BUT JESUS. NO LOST PERSON WAS CHOSEN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. JESUS WAS THE CHOSEN ONE NOT YOU OR I. YOU WERE NOT KNOWN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. ONLY "IN CHRIST" ARE YOU KNOWN BY GOD, YOU WERE NEVER IN CHRIST UNTIL YOU BELIEVED, AND YOU ARE NOT REGENERATED UNTIL YOU ARE BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST, ITS VERY SIMPLE, BE BLESSED

[@spiritandflesh8477]

I think Calvinism just gives people a convenient way to avoid the sorting through of weighty matters. I don't mean that to be snarky either. I just think a Calvinist who continues to allow himself to sort through the scriptures will eventually come out the other end.

[@Do_not_at_me_bro]

The fact there's people who haven't bought into the teachings of Calvinists is evidence of a miracle. I've had a taste by listening to sermons before I was aware that it came into season, now I know what it is it's marked and avoided.

[@gabrielacosta2267]

When I was in high-school a preacher came by and preached that God did not die for you because He loves you you. The only reason he died for you was to show how great and powerful He is, ie his glory. I could not digest that because it was not true, it contradicts all of scripture. God definitely would never do anything that would disglorify himself. As well as God is glorified whether a person goes to he'll or heaven. Yet the Bible says time and time again that God would prefer for his glory to be shown through salvation and redemption rather than punishment.

[@HistoryBluff137]

I'm a Calvinist and still am after this video. I wasn't raised one and my mother thinks I'm a heretic for this. I respect you for your diligence. You know your Scriptures and I respect you.

[@alexjoneschannel]

Molinism my dude

[@elijah1047]

(So non aggressively asking) I really want to know your stance on is God the author of evil or not from your worldview? If not how is it not so if he controls every single thing.

[@elijah1047]

@@hondobondo hondobondo so I'm not Arminiest, but I can understand God allowing things to happen that's clear.... but you said "HE ORDAINS AND CONTROLS ALL BUT DOSEN'T CAUSE EVIL" so that means He DOSEN'T control "ALL" which means you're contradicting yourself, which is why I cant side with your world view... if you were being honest about the full extent of Calvinism it's absolutely NO FREE WILL, which means determinism... which means God ACTUALLY CONTROLS ALL even evil, which is different from allowing don't mix the two.

[@elijah1047]

@@hondobondo so you said all that to never stop a contradiction you have in your belief... God can't "CONTROL ALL" And ALLOW things to happen, because that means He isn't controlling what He is allowing to happen. Which means He dosent control all.... because God is the one determining it all makes it determinism because we have no choice. Also yes it's obvious He is all powerful and all knowing, but YOU were the one that assumed He was all controlling not the Bible. Scripture is clear with us having a free will, and there being predestination, but not double predestination... but even then the fact that you you're trying to draw a square circle and say God controls everything, but when it comes to evil, that's not Him 🤦🏾‍♂️... then who? If it's us, then Christian's that choose sin (doing evil) is more powerful than Whatever God is trying to force them to do🤷🏾‍♂️. Literally any way you go with this God Controls all instead of God being Sovereign (which means rules over all) not the same thing, it's either contradictory to itself or it makes God evil. If God says "My people perish for lack of knowledge" that's His fault because He controls all smh🤦🏾‍♂️...and there is no point in Judgment day, because we aren't the ones to blame He is... that's how ridiculous this belief system is, it makes God look weak everytime.

[@JCsBJJWarrior28]

@@hondobondo I see the same thing between calvanists and non calvanists everytime they debate in the comments. Calvanists(arrogant, condescending, moral high ground with superior intelligence aka in my view an asshole) non calvanist(mostly gracious, open to discussion of difference in theological view, tries to keep the it Biblically and Scripturaly focused, eventually gets pissed off or quits talking to douche bag on the other end). You are no exception to my observation as an outsider. Must be neat to feel so superior. But really your just a dick.

[@renatotan6751]

I thank God that i heard this clear interpretation , the right interpretation of romans 9, i am so blessed in this message, and since i heard Dr. Flower i already following you and included in my prayer that ourGod will give you more understanding of His word... God bless you...cont. the good work

[@judyisner4450]

I am so thankful for finding you! I have strong Calvinist ic friends, who are in my Bible study. And knowing that I didn’t fit in with a Calvinist and I didn’t fit in with the Armenian, I didn’t know what to call myself but through your ministry, I have found such peace and joy in the like mindedness .

[@raullukebenitez7033]

Thank you for these videos. I'm glad I came across this channel. They are a very helpful resource for me and I am grateful

[@brendagula6290]

Praise God for your videos for exposing the bad theology in Calvanism. Thank God he opened your mind and now you are able to help others. I will share your videos and also support this ministry.

[@carlosangon]

Thank you for opening my eyes Dr. Flowers!

[@torythewild6409]

Ben Shapiro vs Ravi Zacharias The planet needs this

[@spartianknight.]

How about Randall Davis, W Scott Taylor, or Michael Saia? I guess Winkie might be too old eh?

[@shortgt]

That would be mind blowing lol

[@libertarian85]

I would go with Ravi

[@Pee-Pad]

This week’s Sunday Special

[@BloodBoughtMinistries]

@@Pee-Pad Metallica do not give honor to God. In fact they have gone and spoken and sang against God. Kirk Hammet promotes satanism with him wearing clothing with the baphomet on it. Chek the vid where they have practice with lady gaga. I was a metal head for many years and God does not want us entertaining ourselves with this music or to promote these bands.

[@thetruthinhim8862]

Dr. Flowers, as a Calvinist, I appreciate your patience and gentle attitude towards Calvinists. Calvinists all want to know the TRUTH whether it hurts or not, because the truth will set you free. My motto is "Semper Reformanda", which means "always reforming". As i study Scripture I start adjusting my doctrine based on what Scripture says and conscience. I TRY to read Scripture unbiasly and connect the pieces together. Again, thank you for your videos because I'll continue to listen with an open mind and understanding.

[@MultipleGrievance]

If you really want to untangle The doctrinal framework you've had downloaded into your head, The best way to do that Is to step in a different denominations shoes. Try on a radically different denomination for size. Make yourself understand their doctrine thoroughly. Then do another and another. After a while your mind will begin to contrast and compare. At that point you'll be free from one specific framework. And really be able to just listen to the bible.

[@MultipleGrievance]

The only people that can actually read the bible free of bias are those who are doing so on their own. Those who haven't attended a particular denomination and had their framework taught to them.

[@2growdaily181]

OMG...I can't believe that some Christians actually believe that God makes some people be born as God haters and then God holds them accountable with punishment when they behave as He made them to be. The pathetic part is that they then say that this is a good thing and somehow God is good and love, etc. If these things were true then God would be the biggest monster that ever existed. The devil would not even come close to how evil God would be. Unbelievable that some people actually believe that God is like this.

[@johndoe-ln4oi]

Between Allie Stuckey and John MacArthur, I sincerely hope that Ben Shapiro doesn't believe Calvinism defines Christianity.

[@justinharrell327]

Leighton, don't be discouraged. You are definitely making a difference or you would not attract the attention of the big dogs in Calvinism. I found your material and it has helped me better understand both sides and removed any confusion I once had from Calvinists in my life. One foot in front of the other...keep running the race!

[@garybonz]

@@matt_h_27 the difference being, Leighton explains things at so finely, even a Calvinist might understand they have their head up their buttocks.

[@garybonz]

@@matt_h_27 You are an idiot if you think Flowers doesn't understand Calvinism.

[@kjvacp]

@@matt_h_27 I'll believe calvinism the day you can use the Bible to disprove the Bible. @gary bones is right. You are an idiot. But i don't blame you. God predestined you to be such an idiot, for His glory of course, but somehow it's your fault anyway.🤣🤣 🥞🐿

[@MarkNOTW]

Tjel 81 He understands Calvinism better than you. I can guarantee you that.

[@MarkNOTW]

Born A New Good to hear. Don’t allow yourself to be swayed by this false doctrine. You don’t need to be a theologian to disprove it either. John 3:16, the most famous verse in the whole Bible, disproves Calvinism in and of itself! Mankind having a free will does not negate or subvert the sovereignty of God. Feel free to comment on this channel with questions.

[@jjgems5909]

Calvinism reminds me of this song by Depeche Mode called “blasphemous rumors”. It goes: “I don’t want to start any blasphemous rumors, but I think that gods got a sick sense of humor, and when I die I expect to find him laughing.” This is the Calvinist “god” IMO. The more and more I’ve studied it, the more and more i disagree with it. That’s not the Merciful, long suffering God of the Bible. God doesn’t delight in the suffering of the wicked so why would he solely create them simply to destroy and not have mercy on them? Not offer them a way out? Sounds contradicting. Sounds like human nature, not Gods nature. Sounds like how man would do “justice”. mercilessly

[@Ajx100x]

We could see hell as mercilessly punishing sinners therefore assuming that it isn’t the nature of God but that’s reading into the text is it not? God is wrathful how is that merciful? Seems that there is a misunderstanding of the fullness of Gods nature he is holy so beyond our knowledge it is holy that everyone in hell is God rightly deciding that judgement so for them to be in hell is a holy choice for God is the perfect judge. People in hell can disagree with Gods sovereignty all they want it won’t matter.

[@genielyn1509]

Leighton, thank you for all you do! I believe in your mission (though sometimes I wish you would take a bit of a harder line with Calvinists. You are very kind...almost to a fault.) I'm thankful you shared your heart and your struggles with your listeners. Don't be discouraged. I believe most non-Calvinists don't coalesce around the issue because most have not heard of Calvinism and/or don't really know what Calvinists believe. Unless you are part of a denomination which is being threatened by Calvinism, such as the SBC, or are a former Calvinist, you are unaware of the danger it presents. I am neither and had not heard of Calvinism until about 13 or 14 years ago when a friend encountered the teaching and became convinced his struggle to live out his Christian faith must be due to the fact that he was not one of the elect, God hated him, and he was cursed by God - not because of prior life experiences and lack of a Christian support system (his job necessitated a lot of traveling which made fellowshipping with other Christians very difficult). I watched Calvinist teaching destroy his faith. I'm fairly new to your channel, but have become a fan of sorts. I've just sent a small donation and will try to do so again soon. Keep up the good work. Your voice is needed. I personally believe the enemy will try to attack you for the very reasons you mentioned, Calvinism IS a lie and it slanders the character of God, thereby hindering many from coming to Christ or discouraging them in their faith.

[@briward1654]

I agree - Genie -- this is really good stuff I am sure that Leighton has his reasons for giving lots of wiggle room. Maybe a suggestion would be, (this is what I do anyway) I say: "I am not trying to address all brands of Calvinism what I am addressing is that which is being pushed by the most popular preachers and teachers the likes of Piper, MacArthur, Grudem, Carson, Calvin and Chandler) These are the opinion makers and even "moderate" Calvinists are becoming more and more like them. So I am not trying to address anything but the opinion makers version they hold to full TULIP. I think by all of the qualifications it makes it seem like Leighton might be addressing just a few fringe people when in reality he is addressing the mainstream Calvinist current. Just a thought

[@owengunter8340]

How does Calvinism slander the character of God and how is it a lie? Also are you an arminian?

[@jahiddle]

Owen. Because Calvinists are determinists they believe that God decreed/ordained/caused all things including sin. So that is why Calvinists slander God's character.

[@jonflyhigh]

@@jahiddle I'd love for you to say that to John MacArthur's face. Just because you can't comprehend it doesn't mean it isn't true. Predestination is just something we'll understand one day when everything is revealed to us in Heaven. Until then, Calvinism doesn't affect the core of the gospel and scripture. You can still lead people to Christ regardless if you understand the full depth of something.

[@jahiddle]

The Gospel is pointless to both the elect and the reprobate according to the beliefs of Calvinism. It's pointless to the elect because they are already saved and pointless to the reprobate because they can never respond to the Gospel. And yeah I would love to say that to MacArthur's face but his Calvinism would blind him to that fact.

[@goaheadcalldonshipley7659]

Shapiro is wildly brilliant, and this right here represents why Calvinism is not a mild theological difference but a wicked misinterpretation of scripture that will lead souls to hell because people like Shapiro see the contradictions and may very well write off Christianity altogether. Its ridiculous. It’s no different from expecting my dog to perform open heart surgery knowing full well he is absolutely not capable, and then torturing him for not doing something he is incapable of. Is there anything more evil and insane? When you can’t reconcile your own beliefs simply appeal to mystery and say who are you to question.

[@jahiddle]

Yeah it's like a parent forcing a child to touch a hot stove and than spanking them because they touched the hot stove. But Calvinists are so stubborn they can't see it that way.

[@Cmbtvtrn05]

Never knew there were sooo many 'Calvin' believers....👀 woah....just heart sinking and leaves you absolutely in doubt about anything...she looks down on "Christians " or believers of Jesus Christ and what He did...unbelievable...talk about having an unnecessary panic attack. 🤯 heartbreaking

[@analiza265]

Predestination makes it pointless to evangelize, yet Calvinists call themselves "Evangelicals."

[@oracleoftroy]

That's like saying getting on a plane bound for France is pointless if you've predestined your next vacation to be in France. God predestines who is saved and the means by which a person is saved, and that includes evangelism.

[@oracleoftroy]

@@ig8895 Of course there are going to be similarities between Christianity and a Christian cult. Does that really surprise anyone?

[@ThruTheUnknown]

This was brilliantly explained, thank you Leighton for your exposition on Romans 9.

[@incognegro4229]

That was some Olympic level mental gymnastic to explain away Gods sovereignty because you think it sounds bad. Terrible.

[@ThruTheUnknown]

@@incognegro4229 Nope, God doesnt need to make ppl puppets on a string to be Sovereign.

[@chaos_to_new8657]

Dr. Flowers, take heart. My wife and I are millennials and we are not Calvinists. In fact, after reading some of your material I can recognize that I am a Provisionist such as yourself. Thank you for your clear teachings.

[@richardzamarripa2700]

Wish he would have asked John MacArthur these questions

[@sp4gsus]

Richard Zamarripa thankfully MacArthur didn’t bring it up in that discussion. I wonder why...could it be that reformed theology is abhorrent and when witnessing to someone it’s not something you would casually mention or you can forget about them embracing Christianity?

[@jonflyhigh]

MacArthur would have eaten his lunch. Instead of questioning someone intelligent on the matter, they interview someone who can't accurately explain. Rigged.

[@moezura545]

@@jonflyhigh MacArthur is wrong on many levels... most importantly he doesn't understand the infinite mercy of God - Jesus Christ is the Savior of ALL MEN.

[@moezura545]

@Rubes Ruiz what do you mean by the "simple message of the cross"? what does it mean to you?

[@kjvacp]

@Rubes Ruiz you meant False doctrines. Paul didn't teach False doctrines to anyone. Exactly ZERO apostles followed anything even remotely close to Calvinism. They went to everybody and spoke THESE WORDS, "Christ died for your sins". A calvinist CANT DO THAT! Because he doesn't know if the person in front of him is Elect or not. The calvinist thinks Christ only died for the Elect, and therefore they are forced to either LIE to people or proclaim another Gospel and be accursed as Paul said they would be in galatians 1.8-9. The only thing a calvinist can say is "Christ died." which is meaningless to the person in front of him. "How does that benefit me?". ....."well you'd first have to be chosen before the foundation of the world. And if you weren't, then Christ's death doesn't matter. But if you ARE Elect.... then i guess Christ's death STILL doesn't matter because you've always been secure thanks to an arbitrary coin toss." The Gospel in calvinism is, "you might be elect!" And THAT my friend, is a gospel the apostles never preached. They looked at every single person and said "Christ died for YOUR sins." Because calvinism is false.

[@joelkelly4154]

A Calvinist motivational speaker? What on earth? "Sort your lives out, you totally depraved vessels of wrath!"

[@Emper0rH0rde]

It's a contradiction. I love Allie Stuckey. I have no doubt she's a wonderful family woman. She is *deeply* loving, and gracious. She's also very funny. She is a Godly woman. But she's *wrong* on predestination and the doctrine of salvation. That's why we pray for our brothers and sisters in Christ who have been led astray.

[@ericfisher1360]

A Calvinist motivational speaker... "Nothing you do matters."

[@Do_not_at_me_bro]

@@ericfisher1360 a great Calvinist motivational speech would look like, you are nothing I am nothing, why am I even telling you this, this nights over it's pointless anyway.

[@Emper0rH0rde]

I honestly wonder if Allie Stuckey has ever read Paul's epistle to the Romans in its entirety, from start to finish, in one sitting. That's about an hour of reading time, and in the full context of the letter, not to mention the historical context, I honestly don't understand how people can still see the ninth chapter of Romans to be in support of determinism. It *could not be more clear* that Paul was talking about God giving the nation of Israel over to their rebellion, which was entirely of their own accord, and using that rebellion to achieve His ends. If you're a sola scriptura kind of person, your biblical theology should be based on *context,* not proof-text. Your core theological views cannot be based on one passage in one chapter in one book of the Bible. Calvinist parents should really think carefully about the ideas they're putting into their kids' heads. It's bad for a child's health to be convinced by a very young age that he is a vessel of wrath prepared for destruction.

[@ItsFinished]

Calvinism is eissagetical and illogical not to mention its definition of grace is incorrect.

[@EvangelistAidan]

Amen grace ≠ damnation to hell before Foundation of the world

[@golightly5121]

If God was really the Calvinist god, I would certainly not want to spend eternity with Him. Praise God! He is only good and not the Author of sin and evil.

[@primeobjective5469]

Right, and they would say the very fact that you hate God, equals you are a Reprobate. There, that shuts up all who oppose them. Demonize your opponents, problem solved.

[@20july1944]

God's not "only good" if He doesn't punish the evildoer.

[@golightly5121]

20july1944 : God “punished” Jesus for all sin. We are all “the evildoer.”

[@20july1944]

@@golightly5121 OK. Since we're all the evildoer, why shouldn't I indulge any sinful desire I'm confident I can get away with here on earth?

[@golightly5121]

20july1944 : You tell me, what motivates you not to do bad things.

[@kylej.reeves4268]

Thank you for taking on a rebottle of this video! Your careful and consistent exegesis is inspiring. Thank you for your faithful work on this subject.

[@kristinamedinaagee3452]

I can’t believe I came across this. The word of faith church literally (I mean in the most literal sense) brought me to spiritual and physical death. By Gods grace I survived and while I learned a lot at a great church that loves Calvinism, the Soteriology doesn’t sit well with me either. My pastor is actually the creator, if I’m not mistaken, of red grace media who directed American Gospel. I’d love to talk to you and your wife as you mentioned that you want to get your message across. Maybe even do an interview. I’ve shared some pieces of my testimony on KZbin and now a little more so on Instagram but I feel so alone in my faith. I can’t do word of faith which is 90% of modern churches (it’s just packaged in balloons and bright lights) and as much as I’ve learned in my Calvinist church (I’m so grateful for these truly amazing people) it feels wrong to commit when I’m not a believer of Calvinism and I haven’t even told them because I can’t articulate it well. And where else would I go? It feels like I’ll never find a church where I fit. All of them are some funky denomination. I’d love to connect; again, with you and your wife to keep everything appropriate even just for 15min to see what benefit we can cause

[@JennaMarie101988]

I invite you to check out catholicism! I'm Catholic and converted 7 years ago and haven't looked back.

[@factandsuspicionpodcast2727]

I've never understood how Calvinists can worship a God who is not merely responsible for every moral evil in history, but who eternally punishes others for his crimes. At least on Arminianism a Christian who believes in a literal, fiery hell can argue that no one has to go there.

[@reguser146]

my pastor gave me Elect in the Son written by R. Shank our bible study group is in Jn. 6 so I am just learning about you I love the solid info provided here and I'll ask the Lord what he has for you.

[@garybonz]

Give it back . . .

[@johnnyjohnson1370]

Remember John Calvin participated in burning people at the stake. Never repented , surely NOT A PERSON TO FOLLOW, leave the dark ages behind, follow Christ

[@quickattackfilms7923]

38:20 Wow, what a beautiful interpretation. The apostle Paul really is a genius. Traditionalism, in my opinion, makes a much more cohesive Bible narritive than calvinism. It just makes so much more sense.

[@quickattackfilms7923]

How poetic is it that Israel would become just like the Egyptians, people they probably swore they'd never be like. Goes to show how far we all can fall.

[@a-aron6724]

How blind do current day Jews have to be to not see all the narratives in the Bible dealing with their judgement for unbelief yet guys as smart as Ben can still not see it. Proves it's not about how smart or intelligent you are

[@jeffbiggs1994]

We choose to be chosen

[@washburnbilly]

I follow Jesus not a religion...... End of argument. Great video brother!

[@tonymedeiros5353]

Do you really?

[@washburnbilly]

@@tonymedeiros5353 Well I'm surely not perfect at it, but I try.

[@joserodolforamirez8773]

In God there is only light there is no darkness in Him so if He is causing good and evil then He would stop being a righteous God and evil, even though God hates evil. It does not work. God does not designate some for hell and some for heaven He wants all to be saved. The chosen are the ones He foreknew ahead of time who would be saved and who wouldn't. God is outside of time so He knows. But in all we have free will.

[@mayanezha1269]

The problem with Calvinism is that they give you a pass to continue sinning.

[@madcow9421]

Maya Nezha actually sin is decreed by god. Not a licence but a desire and delight

[@karacole2304]

@@madcow9421 Where are you getting this nonsense? You're misleading others with your ideas. Sin itself is not decreed by God. He decrees that man would sin to show Himself glorious, gracious, and full of mercy. Please stop lying. You do not understand what you're saying.

[@Romans8-9]

While Arminians who reject the perserverance of the saints, cant tell you how much sin is too much before you lose your salvation. This is also works-based salvation which is a false gospel.

[@mrs.garcia6978]

You can see Ben’s shark sense come on line as she finishes defining Calvinism for him. He was 2 steps ahead, man that’s guy is SHARP.

[@sqwearl1392]

Ok, this title has me hooked. I'm dying to hear how this conversation went.

[@dirtyburd71]

A Calvinist, if being strictly true to your belief, really can't be upset with those who disagree because your god has predetermined them to be that way.

[@MarkusGhambari]

Didn't know Allie was a Calvinist too. Makes sense now...

[@adamduarte895]

How so? I genuinely want to know because I did not know she was either.

[@AarmOZ84]

This was the problem with St. Augustine of Hippo. He did not understand St. Paul's usage of Jewish imagery (which the Epistle to the Romans was to Jewish Christians, so they did understand the imagery). St. Augustine read about "Jacob I love, but Esau I have hated," and thought that God arbitrarily loves some and arbitrally hates others. St. Augustine was a great Christian and had a strong love for Christ, but that didn't mean he understood everything in scripture.

[@mspamela2008]

No bible verse should be interpreted Calvinistically.

[@jahiddle]

I agree but the Calvinist is so blinded by their own theology they can't help interpreting Calvinism into Scripture.

[@nickkruger2611]

Leighton you are awesome. So thankful you break the BS down. Sadly wolves are spewing out that Jesus only died for an elite club. Which is CLEARLY disputed in scripture. People are BORED with the simplicity of the gospel. And here we are…

[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

How ironic. Ben is a jew, the people group which is being addressed by Paul. Unfortunately, she wasn't giving Ben the interpretation which should be properly explained to the Jew when the Christian is trying to exegete the scripture which, properly understood, explains the transition of the New Covenant. The most important teaching for dialogue between the Christian and the Jew. From the Christian perspective.

[@dustinpaulson1123]

I would love to see a Jew read and explain Romans 9.

[@galadine12]

@@dustinpaulson1123 Is this tongue in cheek? Why would someone who doesn't believe a book is revelation try to explain that book? Can't tell if you are joking around, or don't understand that Judaism doesn't care about Romans.

[@dustinpaulson1123]

@@galadine12 I'm being serious.

[@galadine12]

@@dustinpaulson1123 So just out of curiosity, why would a person practicing Judaism bother justifying a book they think is false? I might just be missing something you're pointing at?

[@dustinpaulson1123]

@@galadine12 because Ben, being a Jew, may have something worth hearing about the case Paul, also a Jew, was making concerning the passages and people he referenced from the Old Testament, which is also a Jewish text. I'm curious of his thoughts on it. Aren't you?

[@user-yv1fh3fc8y]

If the god of calvinism indiscriminately chooses who goes to hell before the person is born, and as calvinists say they have no ability to make a decision for the god of calvinism, how does a calvinist know if they’re saved?

[@oracleoftroy]

God told us the work he does in his people and tells us the fruit of that work so that we can look to God's work in us to know we are saved.

[@MathewMateo633]

DONT give up Leighton. I know how you feel. I’m thankful for your videos and I pray God helps you continue. I see how this theology is stealing away hope and lying about Gods character. It’s trickling down in all the congregations, even Pentecostals. The ignorance on this topic is huge and these theology is entering in disguise not using the word Calvinism or mentioning the TULIP, but slowly teaching the concepts. You are right , many young people are embracing it while many others are feeling condemned and disappointed. This has to stop. I feel overwhelmed too and don’t know what else to do, but to keep talking about it at church. But sadly it’s already inside the church . I attend a Spanish speaking congregation, and it’s amazing to see how much the internet is influencing the Spanish community with these Calvinistic worldview. You are right about the internet being saturated by Calvinist websites and videos that answers to most of the questions Christians have. Sadly many of us don’t go FIRST and foremost to the WORD, THE BIBLE, but seek then Internet first 😞 sad sad. That’s why many are embracing the calvinistic concepts and answers for the questions they have. I know the thing is that we need more material in Spanish. All these Calvinist teachers in the United States have influence a lot of Spanish-speaking pastors in Latin America and also Spain. And sadly the Latin community are listening to these pastors (MIGUEL NUNES, JUAN MANUEL VAZ, PAUL WASHER, SUGEL MICHELEN etcetera) because they do have the resources and the books. Don’t throw your hands up, keep going. And if you get a chance to do these in Spanish or translated, it will be great. I will also recommend doing more or like a five minutes videos to answers to typical and common questions. God bless and I will continue praying and supporting when it’s possible.

[@saskiascott8181]

This is so true how it's progressively becoming synonymous with gospel truth. But as Allie herself, you shall know the tree by its fruits and the fruits of Calvinism I see are mass exodus from the church, abusive practices, hatred, bigotry, self righteousness and wounding of people's very trust in a good creator, which is a core wound and devastating to people's lives. Bad fruit. Bad tree.

[@bobbyadkins6983]

Seems to me that the Calvinists use Romans chapter 9 to interpret the Bible instead of the Bible to interpret Romans chapter 9. Am I correct?

[@Emper0rH0rde]

Almost correct. Calvinists use John 6, and Ephesians 1 to interpret the Bible, and Romans 9 as the shield against criticism. They point to John 6 and Ephesians 1, and say "See? The Bible says so, therefore the world hates God because God first hated the world." And when you call them out on this glaring inconsistency, they hold up Romans 9, and say "Who are YOU to question God?"

[@karacole2304]

@@Emper0rH0rde who on earth said God hates the world? The Bible says He hates the wicked. It is biblical. But He is also merciful and full of grace. "The Lord tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence" (Psalm 11:5, ESV).

[@Do_not_at_me_bro]

Satanism inverts everything

[@protruth1]

I have noticed that when Calvin is “that scripture they leave out faith. we are saved by grace through faith, we are not saved by grace alone.

[@ralphbrody4225]

Why does Mr. Flowers say that God chose Jacob because he was weak when the Scriptures say “though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls- she was told, "The older will serve the younger." As it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." ‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:11-13‬ ‭ ......BEFORE they were born and had done nothing either good or bad.

[@davidochieng2975]

He looks at things after they have happened . God's plan and purpose begin before it happened

[@danielmonroe10]

You've helped me begin to put words to the deep sense of hurt I've carried with me since I first walked away from the church several years ago. I have started returning to the church in small ways through a financial course my local church has offered. And I've felt the strong need to "unlearn what I have learned" about God and theology. Luckily, I have many people in m life who have encouraged me as I've expressed anger towards God and how pointless my decisions seem in light of my understanding of theology. My uncle who is also a pastor of a small church posted your video, "Theodicy without the Free Will Defense? " and I had a really great conversation with him afterward about many of the Calvinist ideas that I've always taken at face value. Thank you for the work you are doing to help others like me who have felt burned by certain church teachers and isolated from God for years. I'm encouraged that many others have the same feelings about their beliefs and my hope is to find a better theology for myself that will be separate from many of the bad theologies that I've accepted before.

[@DS-ll5fn]

The lady is pregnant! How does she know the baby in her womb is not condamned to hell by God already? Or when her child is born amd she will teach her child about God and Jesus, at what point will she inform her child that she / he might be or not be elect.... As a believer she must give her child the truth she believes doesn’t she?

[@bulimosavatia3639]

Salvation is the work of God and not man. If I ever came to know God through my little effort, then Christ's death should have been partial.

[@Sirach144]

Jesus said "if I be lifted up from the earth then I'll draw all men to myself."

[@Do_not_at_me_bro]

Nope you are just making excuses for your love for sin. God saved everyone already, we already have it, whether we believe that or not is on you.

[@christhayer5034]

Good stuff Leighton. You have provoked my thoughts on Calvinism.

[@cre8509]

@Leighton Flowers ~ I've watched several of your videos, and this is one of my favorites! I love the connection you made between Romans 9 and earlier chapters comparing Sarah and Hagar--works vs faith. It makes SO much more sense, and in that light you can see that, in chapter 9, Paul is CONTINUING his explanation that we receive His righteousness by FAITH, not by works. (Instead of seeing Romans 9 as a sudden, abrupt turn in the conversation.) Keep up the good work! You are making a difference! You help those questioning AND those of us who seek to articulate the truth well to our calvinist friends. ***THANK YOU.*** Heading over to Amazon now to buy your book. When you mention your book, maybe encourage listeners to buy two or three and share them with a friend!

[@Luvurenemy]

Stuckey just did an interview with Jinger Duggar Vuolo. The Duggar family was in some type of cult. Jinger got out of the cult, met and married a “Reformed” pastor and wrote a book about it. Is getting out of a cult and into Calvinism some version of falling upwards? She’s a sister in Christ but her Calvinist foundations are Manichean dualism. That dualism is going to eat away at Stuckey and Duggar-Vuolo. Reminds me of Alana L confronting herself about the prospect of teaching her children that they may indeed be damned to Hell and can’t do anything about it.

[@joannawardell152]

I remember hearing J. Vernon McGee once say that Calvinism lost a lot of momentum when WW2 happened. Point being--the battle is the Lord's. We work in whatever calling the Lord has given us but it is God who gives the increase. David fought what was against 'the living God', not worried about might in numbers, size, or weaponry. David's confidence was always 'in the name of the Lord Almighty", who was being defied. As you know, the Bible is full of these kinds of true accounts. The battle is the Lord's. We work and we pray but the victory is His. The errors in Calvinism have fallen before. It can happen again. Psalm 42:11 What you are doing is encouraging--a modern day David who dares to speak up and ask people to think. Thank you!

[@ryrocks9487]

Tucker is very keen on how Calvinism is such a formative and destructive phenomenon in Western Politics.

[@misselizabeth269]

But is he wrong? 😂 It's an inescapable part of American society, whether we agree with the philosophy or not 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@philaardsma7058]

Thank you sir for your tireless efforts in fighting this unbiblical doctrine! You are more gracious than i in dealing with this. I find myself getting very angry with the scholars who teach this because of what it implies about our wonderful Savior. Keep it up brother! May God richly bless you!

[@mlwilson2956]

You get mad at people who teach that your Savior controls the universe?

[@mary-janechambers3596]

When Shapiro debates Allie he will just be confirmed in his own logic. He needs to debate Leighton

[@Emper0rH0rde]

He's had Ravi Zacharias on

[@joserivera8429]

I was waiting for this!

[@nathanburgett1599]

47:00 Which is why almost every atheist that objects to Christianity never holds up Jesus but Calvinism. It's a stumbling block to faith. I say this as a former Calvinist who's ashamed of my part in this.

[@JonathanGrandt]

It gets me a little depressed when I think of how many people think they are leaving Christianity when they are just leaving Calvinism. It’s would be like thinking I don’t like ice cream because every store only sells coconut milk frozen desert.

[@nathanburgett1599]

Yes it's grieving to see. I think that reality is why Jesus uses such strong language like, "it would be better to tie a millstone around your neck and be cast into the sea, then to cause a little one who believes in me to stumble." All these man made traditions paint an innaccurate picture of God. Not the picture seen clearly in Jesus. I understand that they think all these people believe this so this must be the truth, so I'm not going to believe in God anymore if that's who he really is. Rather than understanding Jesus said the way to life is narrow and few even find it, and the fact that he said before the end most will have departed from the Faith Delivered once for all by Jesus and the apostles. Then actually just going to God for yourself asking him to reveal who he is and Reading what Jesus said. Then let God be found true though every man a liar. Jesus clearly revealed him. The problem, I think, is that these traditions and empty deceit take people captive like Paul warns about here. 8See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. 9For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. 10And you have been made complete in Christ, who is the head over every ruler and authority.❤

[@elizabethking5523]

Dont be ashamed Nathan Burgett, God has shown u something very important. Now, u know. Now what? Share what u know. U can help others.❤

[@nathanburgett1599]

No it is shameful. I appriciate the kind words though. Yes. That's what i do now. I wasn't murdering christians physically but i get a taste of what Paul was talking about. I was leading people to myself and Calvin. It was away from jesus, even with good intent, Not to Jesus. So I stepped down from all leadership, that i shouldn't have been in to begin with, until i mature more and am taught by God myself. Otherwise, how can i help anyone. So as i grow i speak the Truth in love and hope it helps others. I try to share what i see and what I'm being taught. A lot of people have been taken captive as Paul warns in col 2. Especially those young Calvinists or people who were in it and are out of it now and really shaken and Confused. One of the big things I see alot is Young Christians who are convinced they're vessels of Wrath, or scared they might be, and so they think "what's the point of believing or doing anything" if they were destined for destruction. Breaks my heart and makes me angry. Anyway I just try to do my best to help and love people now, rather than teach everyone Calvinism. But looking back i was saved and it was still a shameful thing the harm i did. ❤

[@nathanburgett1599]

@@jrb2565 do an objective evaluation and i think you'll see it. I agree carholicism is probably first on the list. But you'll see calvinistic ideas are second. When you read the ideas that they object to they come from Calvinism very often. When I read these objections I look at it and I'm like that's not what Jesus taught or what I believe. And like if I thought that was I'd probably reject it too.❤

[@JeanlucDang87]

Love the point on the definition of sovereignty.

[@sheilasmith7779]

Where in scripture did God harden the heart of obedient people? Never. So Pharoah's will is already corrupt. God does NOT override human will, not because God can't, but because God doesn't. She misunderstands Roman's 9.