Soul - DisneyCember

[@ChannelAwesome]

What a great movie to end DisneyCember 2020 on! What did everyone think of Soul? Also, what would you like to see on a future DisneyCember? Let us know in the comments! Thank you for watching & supporting us throughout all these years! Happy New Year!! Watch more DisneyCember 2020 here - bit.ly/DisneyCember20

[@disneydaniel233]

Thank you for all the DisneyCember goodness

[@seanpatrickcain2]

I can’t wait for DisneyCember 2021!!!

[@Lauren_210]

Maybe some old Disney Channel tv series from the past such as The Suite Life of Zack and Cody, Kim Possible, The Proud Family, Hannah Montana, Lizzie McGuire, That’s So Raven, etc.

[@trinaq]

Thanks so much for bringing us some top notch Disneycember content, Doug, and hope that you eventually tackle some Hayley Mills Disney movies, such as "Pollyanna!" 💖

[@air03man]

"DISNEYCEMBER 2020 Blog Day 31" draws to a closed with Pixar's "Soul" yet another 2020 film that was supposed to release to theaters but when theaters got shut down the film got release on Christmas day thur "Disney +" & much like other Pixar films this film got better for the most part a story about a soul returning to his body but runs into trouble has been done in "Coco" & "Inside out" so inclosing if you hasn't seen it go to "Disney +" & give it a watch. & that ends another "DISNEYCEMBER" now listen people 2020 wasn't a best year but we have "Disney" films to help us along the way with good films/bad films & weird films but let's face it we need a break from everything & pray 2021 might get better "fingers crossed" So My friends until next "DISNEYCEMBER" I bid you Adieu & have a safe & happy 2021 "happy new year"

[@cofagrigusfan24]

i just love how Terry & the Jerry's are animated

[@theturtwig50]

Same! They're some of my favorite creatures in 3D.

[@angieplusmakeup]

Jerry and Terry’s animation resemble the paintings of Picasso.

[@cait456]

Sameee

[@Walduhu]

Everybody says Picasso but for me, they reminded me of Joan Miro

[@LordKunTube]

@@Walduhu Another great inspiration is the italian animation series La Linea "The Line", by Osvaldo Cavandoli. Check it out, it's really good!

[@HarmonyBunny]

We expected the movie to be set entirely in the soul realm, but that's not what we got. I like it.

[@stormtraitor6545]

I actually wouldn't mind if it was set entirely within that realm.

[@MrKlausbaudelaire]

When you have New York as your setting for a movie about living life as you want, iiiiiits kind of a waste xD Almost like this movie was a foil to Tomorrowland, where I was dissappointed the movie went SO LITTLE in it when it was the major theme compared to Soul where, ironicaly, didn't spend much into the lands of souls but into the real world where the story fit so well.

[@RyanStorey1231]

I'm so glad they didn't go that route. I was so afraid that this was gonna be like The Princess & The Frog or Brother Bear or a lot of Disney movies starring people of color where they have the black character be turned into a frog or something for the entire movie. I was so afraid that they were gonna have Joe be in soul form for the whole movie.

[@southerncinephile6258]

Why would it tho?

[@HalE14]

SO glad it wasn’t in the great before completely! Like it was cool but boring enough that I didn’t want the entire movie to be there

[@kirkoli5001]

Dear Disney, please don’t make a sequel to this. It was perfect, nothing needs to be said anymore. From time to time things need to end.

[@forestgrump4723]

If they could come up with a killer story for it, I wouldn't mind a sequel called "22". Maybe like, a series of short stories she's telling a soul she's mentoring about her life? I dunno, it might work.

[@michelerusso9745]

They could do a show about moonwind and his team sailing the zone and help lost souls, i would watch it And since disney is striving to expand every universe they own to keep Disney plus alive, i don't see why not

[@Kenthis15]

They will do what promises profit.

[@juanfisi]

Give them 10 to 20 years and they will make it a live action crap.

[@SarahSharpe1231]

Honestly, at this point, just give me an Alice Braga Jerry ASMR short. Her voice and character were SO SOOTHING!!!! As for Joe and 22, yeah, I don't want to see them again. I don't want to know what happens to them. I know they're out there enjoying life and that is ALL that matters.

[@shaylenwayne9284]

I loved 22's line about how at first she thought maybe she wasn't good enough to live and that hit home.

[@sailorcat]

Yeah, I liked that line the most!

[@CRAZYGREGFILMS]

This movie did feel like a nice call back to great story development.

[@catdogmousecheese]

Especially when you compare Soul to Onward which was just a road trip movie set in a fantasy world.

[@_the_rizzler]

@@catdogmousecheese Onward was still pretty good

[@LarryDevaun]

@@catdogmousecheese not even a fantasy world onward is set in modern times. The characters could be humans rediscovering magic and the movie would still be exactly the same.

[@matheuslascasas134]

@@catdogmousecheese I feel like soul is way more ambitious, but onward is more of a personal story. I feel the heart in both stories, but pete docter is a more mature and overall better filmmaker than Dan Scanlon. I liked onward quite a bit though.

[@paperchasindude6578]

Tru onward lacked worldbuilding to be honest

[@MTTT19]

I also like how it has that moment where it asks, “Okay, you’ve accomplished this great thing you were striving for! Now what?”

[@chuckbatmangaming]

I was fully expecting him to fail somehow in the band and that would be what spurred him to return to the soul realm, but what they went with was SOOO much more mature and realistic.

[@BLasherman]

"But I want the Ocean!"

[@Biostar96]

Reminded me of Bojack Horseman.

[@fletchy40]

“Now what?” Finding Nemo

[@jennieorlando8385]

"Go find a new dream"-Eugene/Flynn Rider, Tangled (2010).

[@jackrodakthemovieguy1726]

This movie should remind everyone that no matter how insane a year can get, there will always still be something great to find from it

[@lancethefilmguy9392]

Definitely. Happy New Year my friend

[@wheresmycar9676]

Absolutely! Happy New Year, and God Bless!

[@rawrdino7046]

Say that to the people who waited for cyberpunk

[@wheresmycar9676]

@@rawrdino7046 WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT

[@Fourmath]

Yea 2017 was the last terrible year so far. At least for me. 2020 has been great for my life

[@NS-xx1ze]

Like Brad Bird said, animation isn't a genre, it's a medium, and it can be used to tell incredible stories. This proves Pixar is still an animation powerhouse, other studios can only dream.

[@jlev1028]

Didn't Brad Bird say animation was a genre? I'm not disagreeing with your argument, but I feel you misquoted him.

[@aaronroberts5272]

No, he clearly said it wasn’t a genre and even went as far as to say he would punch the next person who told him it was. You can look this up if you want.

[@aaronroberts5272]

@onyx fyre “People think of animation only doing things where people are dancing around and doing a lot of histrionics, but animation is not a genre. And people keep saying, "The animation genre. It's not a genre! A Western is a genre! Animation is an art form, and it can do any genre. You know, it can do a detective film, a cowboy film, a horror film, an R-rated film or a kids' fairy tale. But it doesn't do one thing. And, next time I hear, "What's it like working in the animation genre? I'm going to punch that person!” - Brad Bird

[@aaronroberts5272]

@onyx fyre are you high!? Seriously I don’t know how can know a big word like “slander” and be this stupid.

[@aaronroberts5272]

Okay, you are clearly doing this for attention, please leave me alone.

[@stateofhibernation]

I was fine with him living, because he actually starting living. not making his passion an obsession, seeing the world outside without the blinders he put on himself ❤

[@michaelnally2841]

Plus life is unpredictable and no straight forward path

[@watchforever1724]

Yeah I agree

[@tadstrange1465]

Notice how when Joe is falling into the Great Before it days "Walt Disney Pictures presents" but it doesn't show the title until the very end of the film? Maybe that's because that's when the story actually starts.

[@nicolemiller7760]

I was wondering why they did that- Disney doesn’t usually stylize the end title like that. And I was too emotional at the end of the movie to think about it too much, so thank you for sharing that thought: I think that’s exactly what they were going for.

[@SarahSharpe1231]

As soon as I saw the "Walt Disney Pictures presents", I had my camera open ready to take a pic to share that I was watching the movie. I was expecting an opening title just like Onward's which appears after Ian puts on his sweatshirt and walks out of his bedroom. But, yeah, it didn't come until the very end. Honestly, GREAT theory! You're absolutely right!

[@Superibis.]

If we follow this thought, Moana only starts at the end too x)

[@ammie341]

You just broke my brain dude

[@wariolandgoldpiramid]

Honestly, I'm kind of tired of this trope of not showing the title until the movie is over.

[@Dtoons]

I knew he'd end it with this movie. Happy New Year, everyone!

[@trinaq]

Congratulations on calling Doug's final Disneycember review, and have a Wonderful and prosperous 2021!🎊👏🏾💖

[@JFL1988]

welp 359 days till disneycember again

[@JFL1988]

@@trinaq 359 days till disneycember is back

[@simple-commentator-not-rea7345]

For the new year, Doug should seriously consider doing a month centered around Cartoon Network, and talk about stuff like Dexter's Laboratory, or Ben 10 or Camp Lazlow. What would be a nice name? Aproon Network? Cartoon Netmay? Cartoon November?

[@ronaldeliascorderocalles]

Joe didn't die because that way the message wouldn't have worked. The story tell us that life is beautiful and we need to LIVE IT (with its ups and downs). By staying alive at the end, the public can start living with him.

[@secondsein7749]

Agreed. Not to mention that if he die, it might send the wrong message to the wrong people. A lot of suicidal people think that people around them would be happier if they died and this movie might have enforced that message if Joe died. So yeah, Joe living sends the message that you need to live for yourself as well, and not just for others.

[@ferminmarkpousada1455]

Exactly! If Joe choose to go to the Great Beyond at the end, the movie would be against it's own message and it wouldn't work like the way it is.

[@Marco_Onyxheart]

Personally, I saw the ending as Joe finally realising he doesn't really love being this great musician that he always thought he wanted to become. His calling in life is to become a mentor. To inspire others. And at the end of the movie, he finally gets his second chance to really put it in practice back on earth. You could call it "learning to appreciate what he has", but I think it is deeper than that. He realises that what he has is the only thing that can truly make him happy. And now, he gets to be truly happy about that.

[@LoQueTeando]

@@Marco_Onyxheart I agree with you for the most part but I think that he still loves jazz but instead of making that his only purpose and getting lost in looking for the next thing that will make him happy around jazz.(I think that's what a lost soul is ) .He learned that he can use his passion to help people and enjoining life in the process.

[@vincenthawthorne9360]

I’m still completely split. I mean like, I kind of do think that it would have been even technically suicide if he did go through with his death. But on the other hand I do love it when a character does make a sacrifice and the consequences actually do go through.

[@ThemeParkAvenue]

On the last Disneycember, my critic gave to me: Thirty-one soul mentors Thirty useless sequels Twenty-nine mean teachers Twenty-eight muppets Twenty-seven cat jokes Twenty-six obscure films Twenty-five minute short Twenty-four martians Twenty-three CG dogs Twenty-two freed slaves Twenty-one crazy ghosts Twenty cool characters Nineteen zombies dancing Eighteen warriors battling Seventeen pet actors Sixteen speaking roles Fifteen experiments Fourteen Aliens singing Thirteen X-Men films Twelve Narration scenes Eleven mice-a-squeaking Ten wacky stories Nine cliched genres Eight X-men fighting Seven on IMDB Six Flynn-Fletchers FIVE BLAND NEW PLANETS! Four magic elves Three wasted hours Two best buds And a pigeon in a pear tree Thank you for being a part of this journey. Should I make a full song for this? Let me know in the replies.

[@gluttonousmaximus9048]

YES!

[@Naharu.]

Yes

[@ThemeParkAvenue]

Note: I very much love Soul and thought it was great.

[@purplepenguin005]

Oh ship! 31 already? It's been a pleasure my dude. Thank you

[@drakeware655]

Is there a possibility of you doing this again with future Disneycembers?

[@kaleeshsynth9994]

Spoilers: He got a second chance because he didn’t die, he was comatosed, and was recovering from his injury, but he was so goal focused he rushed it and cheated, which is why Terry was looking for him the other Jerries didn’t stop him because he was alive, I believe he was able to break the barrier in the first place, because he wasn’t really dead but had a strong desire to live. He was comatosed which is like being alive and dead at the same time.

[@dtduckling]

Oh that's clever.

[@elinh9755]

100% agree

[@melteddarkchocolate000]

New word I learn that sound similar to coma but it basically is coma just with tosed

[@Akatsukileader9]

Also, at the end, he wasn't even dead, he purposefully was in a music trance to try to find 22 back in the other dimension. I don't know why everybody in the film acted like he was still fated to die, when he literally survived the coma and was alive at home playing piano by that time. I never thought he was gonna die for one second.

[@elinh9755]

@@Akatsukileader9 It would have been strange if he did die at the end

[@Marco_Onyxheart]

What resonated the most with me in this movie is the whole "spark" plotline. It's kind of how I've found life works. You just have a thing that is yours. It took me at least a decade to figure out what I was about. And now, I know exactly that I've always been an embedded systems engineer. I really want to be creative, to design and build machines that do something. And looking back, it's always been a part of me. As for the ending of Soul, I felt that Joe finally found out he's not meant to be a great musician. He is a great musician, but his spark is actually mentorship. And it takes this movie for him to realise it. Playing for others is what he thought he'd love, but he doesn't really love it. He enjoys to get the opportunity, but it's not his actual life's wish. And at the end of the movie, he finally becomes his ultimate self: the best mentor he could ever be. He deserves his second chance so he can finally put it into practice during his life. You could call it "learning to appreciate what he has", but I think it is deeper than that. He realises that what he already has is the only thing that can truly make him happy. And now, he gets to be truly happy about that.

[@Swiftbow]

I think you should watch it again. One of the main points was that there IS no one spark. Life is about living it, and enjoying it. There are things you are good at, but they should not consume you to the point of ignoring everything else. That is what Joe was doing. He was so obsessed with getting "the gig" that he was forgetting everything else in life.

[@lelelew2735]

@@Swiftbow true and critic is right it was a cope out ending I was ok with lol. They were really extreme about accepting fate and cheating death then " here you go another chance " kind of odd. But i probably would've felt a way if he died without truly living. But I wonder what the message would've conveyed if they had the darker ending in real life you only get 1 ( except of you believe in reincarnation) so him accepting death and realizing he lived life would've gave the message of living life to the fullest more.

[@Bostonterrierslol]

It was the movie I think 2020 needed. See you next year everyone

[@ChannelAwesome]

See you next year. Have a great New Year!

[@AngelJuliet]

I kinda thought that maybe Joe didn’t have to ‘die’ but have a ‘near death experience’ so to me the ending is fine. He had a near death experience and learned to appreciate what he has

[@Amunie]

Oh yeah, that's good point, I didn't think of that

[@thiagoteixeira6537]

That's true ! It's not as offensive as Frozen II's ending ! Not by a long shot !

[@gameskyjumper1721]

agree. If Joe died at that point his body would've been in a morgue not hospital.

[@XonixDerps]

In fact as he said they tend to make stories based from whats already there but adding onto it. And this type of story usually is followed by that kind of ending you said// or is it transition?? .. It's still near the end so eh

[@irkenpony17]

He was still "alive" in the hospital so makes sense actually

[@brandonacevedo1681]

Just saw this yesterday and it was something that I really needed. Without saying too much, basically I've felt that I had no purpose and thought that maybe I myself am pointless. But this movie showed me that it is okay too just be alive, to breath, to eat, to love my family. When I thought about this, I let myself have a good cry and think things over. I am grateful for this movie.

[@SailorYue]

I wish we saw more about how Joe LIVED his life. Like talking to his aunties more, befriending the barbershop guys etc, and I wish we saw even a tiny glimmer of what happened to 22? And maybe a bit of wishful thinking of joe running into 22, who for a fraction of a second. They recognize eachother then move on

[@starzzzy22]

I also expected 22 and Joe to somehow run across each other in the real world. Maybe 22 wouldn't recognize Joe, but Joe would feel a sense of familiarity.

[@PrincessAshley972]

yes! this! i really wish this had been the ending

[@Nerdthatdreamsofelectricsheep]

well 22 would be a baby , so it would require a few years before they can meet

[@PrincessAshley972]

@@Nerdthatdreamsofelectricsheep my idea was for like a post credits scene that takes place when Joe was old and grey, still working at the school. 22 comes into his class and they recognize each other

[@natania7738]

I do think that would be neat, but at the end of the movie 22 was definitely heading towards Asia, and if Joe's in NYC and 22's on a whole other continent it might be hard

[@derpylovecosplay]

The ending was really got me the most. As soon as Joe says, "I'm going to make every minute count," that's what made the tears go down my face. When you get a second chance to reevaluate your life and maybe see what else you can do, you should definitely take that chance. With the past year being the way it was, it really feels like we are given a second chance to start over and rediscover ourselves. This is now in my top 5 favorite Pixar films.

[@wstine79]

Moonwind: "You know, lost souls are not that different from those in the Disneycember. The Disneycember is enjoyable, but when that joy becomes an obsession, one becomes disconnected from life."

[@TheReviewingNetwork]

I thought for a moment that Moonwind was voiced by the same guy who did Cavendish on Milo Murphy's Law, they really did sound alike but no, it's Graham Norton as Moonwind while Jeff Marsh is Cavendish on Milo Murphy.

[@1997residente]

@@TheReviewingNetwork Graham Norton is what you get when you don't cast James Corden in your film.

[@mr.twists9302]

Everyone's talking about the story. I'm just glad they animated people playing their instruments correctly.

[@tigorelloensil3676]

They’ve had that down since Coco Absolutely wonderful stuff

[@julianfadullon8130]

Pitch checked the realization song near the end, it lined up and I freaked out

[@mr.twists9302]

@Alexander Hamilton Man, that's awesome, you know why, because I too play both trombone and trumpet. Spread the brass love sister.

[@natemododragon9969]

Lmao right!

[@gluttonousmaximus9048]

I'm not so sure when/where the animators started paying attention to that detail. Certainly not when/where Animaniacs was being made.

[@ethanschenck9714]

I absolutely adored the ending. To me the film was all about enjoying life for what it is right down to the small things, and that second chance gave Joe the chance to properly do that for the first time. I especially loved its vagueness; it ended with Joe saying that no matter what happens that he'll live his life to the fullest, and cutting it off with him walking out into the world like that was the perfect way to drive that home. We don't need to know what exactly happens. Whether he keeps the gig, becomes a full time teacher, or whatever, his life will be his and he'll be happy however it goes.

[@kozytime3232]

Agree 100% this ending was perfect to me as well

[@sebastian1236669]

100% agree with you! At first I was of the mindset that he should have gone to the great beyond at the end, but after further contemplation I came upon the same thought you stated. It doesn't matter what happens in the future, what matters is Joe is gonna do his hardest to live his best life and enjoy every moment of it and so will 22.

[@nicolemiller7760]

Thank you- that’s exactly how I felt. Some of the pacing in the movie for me was a little wonky outside of that, but I agree the theme works best with a vague ending.

[@synthcatx9841]

I'm glad I found someone who agrees about the ending being perfect the way it is. Many people dont follow or pay attention to the true message of the movie.

[@watchforever1724]

@@synthcatx9841yeah I agree

[@Marco_Onyxheart]

Richard Ayoade was a brilliant casting too. He practically plays himself.

[@linedwell]

That's all he can play TBF.

[@Treychik]

he's awesome! Every line he said - I just knew it was him from the start, so unique and funny xD

[@atomica3588]

I was so happy recognizing his voice!

[@Walduhu]

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

[@Treychik]

@@Walduhu fire FIRE ! :D

[@Chimcharlover13]

And with DisneyCember now at its end, let's look at all of Doug's movies/shows that he reviewed and see where they all fall, and why: RANKINGS: THINGS DOUG ADORED: 1. Ruby Bridges 2. Soul 3. Mr. Boogedy 4. Hamilton 5. Phineas & Ferb 6. Lilo & Stich: The Series 7. That Darn Cat 8. The Wonderful World Of Mickey Mouse 9. Tron: Uprising THINGS DOUG APPRECIATED HIGHLY: 10. Star Vs. The Forces Of Evil 11. Captain EO 12. Onward 13. Mickey's Christmas Carol 14. The Adventures Of Huck Finn 15. The Incredible Journey 16. Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey THINGS DOUG FELT WERE PRETTY DECENT: 17. The Muppets 18. Candace Against The Universe 19. Chronicles Of Narnia: The Voyage Of The Dawn Treader 20. Spies In Disguise 21. Zombies 22. Johnny Tsunami 23. My Favorite Martian THINGS DOUG FELT WERE PRETTY BAD: 24. Star Wars: Rise Of Skywalker 25. Bedtime Stories 26. The Call Of The Wild 27. The New Mutants 28. Zombies 2 29. Dark Phoenix THINGS DOUG WAS INSULTED BY HOW AWFUL THEY WERE: 30. Mulan (2020) 31. Artemis Fowl 32. Secret Society Of Second-Born Royals

[@extonjonas6820]

@@ToxicTurquoise454 I dont think that is true lol.

[@aztn19]

@@ToxicTurquoise454 Rise Of Skywalker was an enjoyably bad movie that was the most fun & weakest film of the new Disney trilogy. But its best movie Last Jedi was the one most people hated, and while I agree the prequels did suck I’d gladly rewatch Revenge Of The Sith over any of the Star Wars films Disney made with the franchise.

[@jenniferorem5268]

@@ToxicTurquoise454 I wouldn't go so far as to say that everyone who thinks the movie is bad is a moron. People have different tastes and opinions. 🤷

[@TMX1138]

I do hope Doug does a review of The Clone Wars series (as well as the movie) next Disneycember.

[@buntado6]

@@ToxicTurquoise454 Prequels at least were smart from a marketing perspective, provided totally new locations and aesthetics for each faction's military forces (they made a solid game solely based on the race section of episode 1), kids wanted those toys. The sequels, aside from Kylo's lightsaber and helmet, offered nothing of that. The story was intended to follow the same formula of the original and so was the asthetic, being mere reskins of everything in the OG.

[@mosyemessy]

This made me cry... Really hard... When the girl starts playing her instrument outside his house... I just burst into tears... And I'm a grown ass man. And it's fine to cry. 😭😢😭

[@Ghostlyking-tc3vu]

I saw the movie and loved it, I feel the ending was Joe realizing that he was letting his passion become his obsession and in the process was forgetting to live but after helping 22 find her spark for life and getting that second chance from the Jerrys he now understands the importance of living your life every day like it's your last

[@kingwithoutakingdom]

To be honest, I really did think that it was about accepting that inevitable end and when he was riding that escalator towards the light, eyes closed and finally accepting that it was time, I fully expected it to end with him stepping into the Great Beyond thinking "WOW, what an ending" and it kind of threw me off when they ended with him being given a second chance. I personally think that the "darker" ending would have been a much stronger ending, not to say that what they went with was a bad ending, but it definitely felt like the safer ending.

[@SukiNoKoe]

IKR if Don Bluth could do it with Charlie, there's no reason Pixar can't with Joe...kids' movies always take the easy way out now. =3=

[@javierfebronio8907]

According to this, there were multiple endings and the writers had a hardcore debate arguing what Joe's fate should be www.joblo.com/movie-news/pixar-soul-original-ending

[@bluespiral4678]

Yea, I get that as well. Just felt like Joe dropping dead while playing the piano (poetic in itself) after getting the gig and making such a breakthrough with his mother seemed still a bit tragic; although satisfying as we the viewers saw Joe recollect heart warming moments in his life that showed him he still had a good run at life.

[@redkarter143]

I feel like it was a good ending idk why but It just felt satisfying

[@Samwise_Ass]

I'm not sure how kids would like that

[@garythestormtrooper5589]

This film is absolutely fantastic at depicting emotional moments Spoilers: The scene were Joe was looking at his life in the soul world were he thought his life was meaningless I teared up, the scene expresses sadness, depressing imagery and hopelessness in such a masterful way But during the scene were Joe thinks about his past experiences and plays the piano I teared up again but not in sadness, the scene unravels itself with beautiful imagery, shots, lighting and incredible music that fills you with hope and meaning

[@thevine2010]

Doug, I feel that complaining about the ending is like complaining about Scrooge getting a second chance in Christmas Carol. You learned a lesson, but you cannot apply it seems rather meaningless. It's a film for adults but one for children as well. Still a Pixar classic all around.

[@ribottostudio]

After watching the film AGAIN recently, it hit me: 22 ALWAYS wanted to go to Earth. But she was so heavily berated by the people meant to INSPIRE her that she just went "fck it" and hid her insecurities with this mask of indifference and aloofness, and cold attitude towards Earth. But when she finally got to LIVE it herself, she realized she was indeed always ready, and always meant to go LIVE a life-she just felt like she was never good enough to do so before meeting Joe. It just goes to show that while you might not think it in the moment, words CAN hurt, and words HAVE power. The pen is mightier than the sword, and the tongue is sharp as a blade. This is a Pixar movie that REALLY showcases the animation is NOT just for children and it's high time western audiences AND studios realize that.

[@temutemacular]

Right? I was so confused as to why some didn't appreciate how the climax was handled when it brought into light how 22 truly felt this whole time. At first, i had mixed feelings with her view in life but when you get to see her inner demons it just makes you understand why she never got her spark. No one told her why living is great, just how she should live.

[@ribottostudio]

@@temutemacular Hearing 22 cry in the sand storm was just....man it was heartbreaking then the VOICES oh GOD. Just....Dammit Pixar and your emotions.

[@temutemacular]

@@ribottostudio What's also great about 22 is that there are actually a lot of people who are in her situation. A lot of people get to not only relate to her, but get to learn atleast something and hopefully get better, because the trouble of finding purpose on life has led so many like the monsters in The Zone to be lost and confused.

[@Interfaune]

My friend said all the mentor 22 needed was an Average Joe.

[@ribottostudio]

@@Interfaune OOOOOOOOHHH

[@DramoolVecone]

I think the fact that he was accepting that he was going to die, meant he learned his lesson, so I think the gods or whatever giving him another chance was just a bit of kindness and didn’t ruin the lesson.

[@trinaq]

Yes, I concur! Joe accepting his death made the spirit Gods realize that he had a renewed appreciation for his life, so they opted to grant him another shot at life. ♥️

[@andy-floriplay-time7366]

Nah,its just Disney being Disney

[@ellie8574]

But what about all the other people on the conveyorbelt, they accepted their fate and didn't get a second chance? I understand why it got that ending, but I'm leaning a bit more towards NC's version. Because that way, it feels more like you actually get a meaningful message, and not just tempted with one. PS, HAPPY NEW YEAR! 2020 CAN SUCK IT!

[@elvalight2135]

Yeah, I personally like how it was a step back from cynicism that I see about just accepting death all the time rather than cherishing every chance you get to live. After growing up in a deeply religious household where death and the afterlife was on everybody's tongue, it's nice seeing a move shamelessly celebrate the little things in life and how ultimately people deserve kindness and second chances. It might've fit more if the theme was around the acceptance of death, like in UP where from the intro it carried that message, but here I think it works best that he got that second chance. Of course I would've loved to see him become a mentor but either way I feel satisfied.

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

@@andy-floriplay-time7366 is it tho?

[@SuperSara924]

The scene when Joe looks at all the items 22 collected and looked back on his life I started to cry, it was such a beautiful scene

[@Mylesjai89]

I think the "second chance" is a lot like when someone has a near death experience and starts living differently. I thought that 22 was gonna be a mentor or something.

[@LenardGomes]

I thought the exact same thing- near death experience; second chance; life flashing before the eyes

[@Akatsukileader9]

Also, at the end, he wasn't even dead, he purposefully was in a music trance to try to find 22 back in the other dimension. I don't know why everybody in the film acted like he was still fated to die, when he literally survived the coma and was alive at home playing piano by that time. I never thought he was gonna die for one second.

[@Jazzisa311]

@@Akatsukileader9 I mean, his soul could have entered the beyond, and he would have just died of a heart attack or something...

[@Jazzisa311]

I thought so too, but this is ever better... that there is no real purpose... because I've tried to find mine for years, thought I found it and lost it again, and now looking for it again... But I guess it's about the people and the moments. If 22 (or Joe) would have turned out to become a mentor (and yeah, I also thought that's where it was going), it wouldn't have hit me that hard, because it'd still suggest that everyone has a purpose... and to have that just not be the case, it's so much deeper.

[@davidcampbell5548]

The fact that a beautiful film like this never got a chance in theatres, yet Norm of the North did is really frustrating 😂😔

[@victoriangm7774]

I'm hoping they'll re-release it in cinemas once the pandemic is over.

[@thiagoteixeira6537]

I think the Jerrys gave him a second chance at life because they saw he had accepted death and realized what he had in those simpler moments of his life plus he was the only "mentor" that was able to make 22 go to Earth so I also think it's some sort of reward !

[@jbcatz5]

That’s precisely why, he was able to get through to 22 when no one else had. More than that, he guided her towards her epiphany rather than directing her to it like a great mentor should as he tried to do at the start. His actions showed his development and 22’s.

[@forestgrump4723]

Yea that girl is the actual definition of an "old soul" XD

[@claytonrios1]

Ah yes the film that I watched on the couch on Christmas Day. It was a great moment in this hell scape of a year.

[@trinaq]

Indeed, I watched this movie with my little cousins the day after Christmas, and we all absolutely adored it! 😍

[@lookzbyraelois]

I saw the movie, Soul, with my parents and I believe that Joe deserves a second chance because the plot of that film taught us a lesson about living life to the fullest and when your soul finds a spark, that means that you're ready to live

[@Phantomx1989]

I actually feel more inspired to live my life after seeing this movie

[@123Yellowberry123]

I feel like that's a sign of a great movie. :)

[@temutemacular]

I think the only reason why he didn't go to the great beyond is that some of the kids wouldn't be able to understand that message as much as the ending they chose.

[@maybeeton]

To be fair, I don't think kids will understand the message either way. Don't get me wrong, I'm against treating kids as dumb, they aren't. But this movie is clearly speaking to the adult in us, instead to the child. The message will probably get over their heads.

[@maybeeton]

And as Don bluth said... You can show a kid everything as long it has a happy ending. Him, accepting his life and finding happiness in the little moments, it is not a bad ending. Him going to the great beyond is honestly, also a happy ending: Finding peace.

[@diegogarcicruz6134]

Yeah I think they were like “We still need to give the kids their happy ending”

[@christopherauzenne5023]

i think maybe it was executive meddling thinking that ending may be seen as too dark for kids which in terms of executive meddling is a somewhat fair reaction

[@oscarbarton4125]

@@maybeeton I think some kids will get it, the kids that need it. As in the kind of kids that are smart and introspective about death will get the message and those are the kids that probably could do with this movie. Most kids its probably going to over their heads and they're gonna watch when they're older and have it finally make sense. Kids might understand the message with a little help from their parents though.

[@docdodgers4101]

Honestly, this is one of the few movies where I could prefer either the character living or dying. Since he lived, he learned a lesson about living life to the fullest, if he died he would have been satisfied, remembering the good moments in life and embracing them, either way the movie ended I would have felt like Joe's arc would have been completed.

[@temutemacular]

Right? Because it was completed before he even could've died.

[@sjk8495]

Interesting you gave you thoughts! Because in one anime, Cowboy Bebop, I feel similar with one character where it felt that regardless of the character's fate, it felt like the character's arc and journey was done, and the fate didn't change that. Said character's fate is ambiguous however. While admittedly I feel the character dying is preferable to me since the arc was done and would feel like a perfect end, even if the character does live, that doesn't change the fact that the character finished all that needed to be done.

[@vincenthawthorne9360]

Ok but I’m still completely unsure about the movie’s ending. I just can’t decide on it.

[@preciouscarait6352]

I thought the same!! I would've been pretty satisfied either way.

[@comiccinema8177]

The problem with Joe just accepting his death is the question of “What happens to everyone around him?” His mom who supported him? His friends and family? After such a great night he’s just gonna leave them to die out of the blue? I’ll admit the execution was a little funky, but the ending of Joe returning to life and being more appreciative of the little things he took for granted is much better than him just dying right then and there.

[@GodOfFury1]

^This

[@RyanStorey1231]

Also, that would leave the question of: "How would Joe's death be explained in the physical world?" He was at his piano when he went back into the soul realm. How would he have died if he hadn't returned?

[@bryzantine1571]

@@RyanStorey1231 heart attack? Stroke? Aneurysm? Him accepting death would go hand to hand with 22 accepting life. His death shows that we should live life and life goes on no matter what. Show the family accepting it.

[@comiccinema8177]

@@bryzantine1571 Yeah after such a great night nobody’s gonna be ok with their family member who was previously in good health just dying out of the blue.

[@bryzantine1571]

@@comiccinema8177 well yeah, there would be epilogue/time skip. Him talking about his life while showing his family grieving. As he talks we see the family slowly moving on. Mayb hav the mother go to jazz shows to honor her son.

[@IsleofJaya]

NC: I'm sure you guys had a movie about Jessie retiring or the Monsters starting an accounting firm. Pixar: He knows too much.

[@lightninglady]

Personally I was terrified that they would just let Joe die at the end and was absolutely relieved that he accepted going back.

[@KangarooMonkey]

I’m glad he lived because it would feel off if a movie about how life is good, ended with a character accepting death.

[@wrequiem1727]

This perfectly sums up my thoughts exactly and this should be upvoted more. If he died then the moral or point of the story would just be... dark.

[@aurylachai5175]

Life is made special because it's finite

[@tekuaniaakab2050]

The ending could’ve probably gone either way. I half expected him to accept his death in the end since that would’ve been a great ending to the character and his story. But i also thought that him getting another chance at life with a new perspective on the meaning of life really reinforced the message.

[@hadriangonzalez607]

Exactly. I would've been ok with either one, but the death would have felt cliche.. Literally the same dilemma that the writer had from "Stranger Than Fiction"..

[@SarahSharpe1231]

Exactly. I went through the whole ending sequence thinking Joe's time was up. I was not surprised when I saw him heading toward the Great Beyond with a smile on his face. However, I was PLEASANTLY surprised when Jerry showed up and offered Joe a second chance. And I absolutely ADORED the final shot and final line of the film. I NEEDED to hear that line. It's my new mantra. It reminds me to enjoy every second that I'm alive. And it's so inspiring knowing this is how Joe is living his life from here on out. We get the chance to now live life without searching for any reward (because life itself IS the reward) but if Joe just straight-up died, he would've been robbed of that chance. And, yeah, LIFE ITSELF IS THE REWARD. It is LITERALLY Joe's reward for succeeding with 22.

[@synthcatx9841]

This has to be one of Pixar's BEST movies. The story is cleverly thought out and beautifully put together, along with the animation and lighting (raytracing).

[@mkdemigodzillawarrior]

Actually, the whole "Joe dies in the end" ending was originally suppose to be the ending, but they decided to change it to what we have now.

[@PikachuJackskeling94]

Which is a cop out. Ss if you like the end we have now or anyone else but I’m with critic here he could have been a great mentor

[@mkdemigodzillawarrior]

I suppose.

[@Akatsukileader9]

How was Joe gonna die? he survived the coma and was in the great before not because of death, but because he went into a music trance on purpose, knowing that he could reach it that way, without having to die. He literally was alive and well right before his second visit to the great before.

[@666slateran666]

@@PikachuJackskeling94 I feel it was more powerful because Joe learned to live in the moment and be happy with what he had and not chase his dreams because it isn't actually happiness.

[@NEVETSGILBERT1233]

@Hannah Papernick-Yudin Seems like someone has never watched the lion king or up or big hero 6 or good dinosaur(I know this one isn't very good but it still counts dam it) or moana or coco although if you had said THE main character then no I don't think they done that yet in a disney or pixar film but you said main characters

[@soulwalker7688]

With him getting that second chance, he really did earn it. He shows self sacrifice and personal growth all while righting a wrong he had almost cemented in 22

[@HisBubbliness]

I'm totally stealing Jerry's "Quiet coyote."

[@_the_rizzler]

I never looked at that hand position as "coyote" 😂

[@tyrant-den884]

It's a whole thing Non-Violent Communication; which is also a whole thing.

[@natemododragon9969]

Don’t do that. Terry is gonna freak out 😂

[@HisBubbliness]

@@natemododragon9969 Terry can go back to her abacus, which is probably the most inefficient way to keep track of something like the number of souls right next to using your fingers.

[@Snes_Controller]

When I was a kid we called it the "quiet snail." Same gesture, but the ears become eye stalks.

[@CrimsionVision]

Here’s the issue with wanting Joe to stay dead. With him accepting death, he’s leaving behind his friends and family who would be devastated and who knows, probably assume the worst and that his cause of death was self harm. You also mention the girl who he helped get into Jazz, with him dead the now worst case scenario is that she’s gonna be so depressed over his death that she abandons the thing she was clearly passionate about.

[@tyrant-den884]

It's also an asshole move to making a movie about learning to enjoy life, then killing off the main character. That's not inspirational, that's a scare tactic.

[@firekirby123]

The issue is that, while it may make for a more satisfying end to the movie, it's undermining part of the message of the movie in the process. Part of the beauty of this movie is how maturely it tackles some of the more serious elements, with death being a BIG one of those. Death can be abrupt, and isn't always going to wait for you to tie up all lose ends. You likely won't even be able to say goodbye to all you love in the end. But that's life, and accepting that will help put a bigger emphasis on ensuring every moment spent with those you care about is enjoyable. Will your death bring tragedy and grief for those you've touched in life? Sure, but that doesn't erase the moments you had with them, nor the impact you had on their life. (which, side-note on that point, Jazz is kinda born out of pain and sorrow, that girl could also very easily wind up using it as an outlet, while I see giving it up entirely would have been the more unlikely result)

[@ARTSHONE121]

@@firekirby123 thank you for your poignant statement

[@lucky8X8]

@@firekirby123 I think this is an interpretation thing because to me, while death was a part of what the movie was talking about, it was not the main focus/message. The main focus is what was mentioned above, learning to enjoy life in the moment for what it is rather than striving for some grand purpose, and it makes more sense from a narrative perspective to have the ending align with the main message of the story. They could've still made it work like "you should enjoy life while you can before you're at the end of it", but also like what was mentioned above, that feels more like a threat than the inspirational message I'm assuming Pixar is going for. So all of this considered, I think ending the movie with the main character now having a chance to live his life aware of the good in it fits perfectly with the overall message of the movie, even if it elevates the seriousness of death as part of it. I guess you could consider it a tradeoff.

[@firekirby123]

@@lucky8X8 I wouldn't go so far as to say death is the main theme, just an important throughline that the movie uses to illustrate the main theme. It's still an important topic though. Still, I think that's another interesting thing about this movie; because it doesn't explicitly spell out anything but the core moral, there's enough room for interpretation and intellectual discussion on the smaller topics the movie brings up. As far as Joe's death being a scare tactic though, I don't particularly agree. Especially if the movie had a different epilogue. For example, say about 15 years later after Joe dies, we see 22 in a music class being taught by a new music teacher: the girl from Joe's old class who followed in her teacher's footsteps and wants to share her love of music. Of course, despite everything, 22 wouldn't be all that interested, until the teacher starts bringing up Joe, and starts playing a cover of his music on the trumpet. I don't think 22 should necessarily remember her time as a spirit, but I can easily see her being moved and feeling some sense of nostalgia, and as the class leaves, she pauses to ask a passing question about Joe, the teacher comments that he made an impact on her life, and the movie ends. THIS would have been a stronger end to me. Not because Joe dies, but because we can see that regardless of Joe's untimely death, his life was still meaningful to those around him, and his memory and passion still lives on despite his passing. This would also make a great way tk end the movie because, rather than being a parallel to a scene part way through the movie, this scene would be a direct parallel to the opening scene of the movie, continuing on the cycle of life and death theme without losing focus of the core theme of the movie. I'm not unhappy with the ending we got, but I do think there were better ways to cap off the story.

[@BugsyFoga]

It's the grand finale of Disneycember 2020 !!!

[@timothysmith8341]

I think for me, I wanted to see Joe finally enjoying his life. I wanted to see more. I feel like it ended a little too abruptly for me. I loved the movie so much that I didn't want it to end. I wanted to see Joe go back to teaching and love every second of it, go see his mom and give her a hug, lay down in the park and just taking in the beautiful weather, etc. At least photos of it in the credits like they did with Up. I also wished that these movies would stop taking black characters out of their bodies for the majority of the film, but that's a whole nother conversation.

[@dragonpokemonlover237]

This is what I really wanted to see and what I think was missing. There’s a brief moment during the barbershop 💈 shop scene that made think that Joe was taking his life and those around him for granted. Right at the beginning when he’s teaching band and he walks out and complains about the kids his teaching. I would have loved to see him go back to the classroom and inspire his students, hug his mum and thank her for all her sacrifice over the years.

[@timothysmith8341]

@@dragonpokemonlover237 exactly. It would have been a great ending

[@aqui0]

i also wanted an ending but I liked it because it shows how it didn't matter, and there was no correct way to live life. So it was a mystery to us, because, life IS a mystery. So I liked that.

[@HermanFalckHow]

I am pretty happy 2020 didn't end with the main character in a Pixar movie dying.

[@thegoldavenger.3829]

“She doesn’t wanna be alive” Relatable

[@stormtraitor6545]

Same as Forky in 'Toy Story 4'.

[@thegoldavenger.3829]

@@stormtraitor6545 Pixar...what’re you tryna say?

[@stormtraitor6545]

@@thegoldavenger.3829 Ha! I guess Pixar has now realised that depression is a thing nowadays with millennials and gen Z.

[@thegoldavenger.3829]

@Marcus Straya as someone with depression, i can confidently say that’s not what I’m saying

[@thegoldavenger.3829]

@@stormtraitor6545 Pixar, especially in the toy story movies, have always had depressing themes lol. I mean the bear from toy story 3 wanted to commit literal genocide from what I remember. Abandonment seems to be a favorite with them as well.

[@trosinesss]

“This feel like a return to form” Coco: “Am I a joke to you?”

[@imaginatenation3697]

YEP it is!

[@highlander723]

Coco's animation was inferior compared to soul

[@KaleSings]

That's exsactly what I thought. Coco was so much better as a whole than Souls. Souls had its moments but really failed in the most important aspects, that scene that was clearly supposed to make you cry just didn't for me. After seeing Joe unpromptly be rude to 22 throughout there journey really ruined the passing and feeling of his character. It's still a solid movie but I think Coco was a much less flawed movie that was a true return to form. To each there own tho

[@sharkanenoa5928]

@@highlander723 yeah was a great movie...but it was basically Sandwiched in between Pixars very mediorcre Sequels Cars 3 and Incredibles 2

[@FizzleFX]

coco was a slow pace bore like your joke... lacks entertaiment

[@Seeker1998]

Personally I was fine with him getting a second chance.

[@redizit]

The freak out moment on the conveyer belt is a real thing that souls experience

[@redizit]

like 1 percent

[@lordroy88]

This movie made me appreciate small things in life more. Bravo Soul, you were the better Pixar film this year!

[@jongon0848]

"The vibe most people get is Inside Out meets Coco" I got more of a Inside Out meets aspects of Ratatouille and Coco.

[@linkxmidna57]

What a perfect conclusion with 2020’s animated masterpiece

[@MojaveKnight17]

Yeah because 2020 is a mess just like this predictable boring movie 🙄

[@andy-floriplay-time7366]

@@MojaveKnight17 To me Soul was a movie that could have been a masterpiece but it just couldnt reach because of the inconsistent story.In the end its just another good Pixar movie but not great .

[@jaihdendover4282]

@@MojaveKnight17 what an unpopular opinion that no one gives a shit about. I hope you enjoy being alone on that.

[@linkxmidna57]

@@MojaveKnight17 way to ruin the mood dude, but happy new year to you at least

[@MojaveKnight17]

@@jaihdendover4282 I am 👍

[@gamebrielthegreat8027]

I promise, you're not alone. I 100% expected joe to take a look at the portal, have a moment of hesitation, and decline the offer. This was an amazing movie, but, personally. If joe had really let go, that personally, would have made it The. Perfect. Movie.

[@MarkQuick0411]

I actually legit thought he was accepting death I was like oh shit, Would’ve been bold for a Pixar film but that woulda been dark i guess lol

[@KRSStudios]

There was actually plans to have Joe die at the end but they scrapped it

[@VoidStar.]

Apparently, the perfect movie involves everyone he loves finding him suddenly dead at home after waking up from a coma. Because, if you truly believe Joe should die, then you're alright with the inevitable conclusion that his mother finds his dead body at the piano. :/

[@KRSStudios]

@@VoidStar. I don’t necessary think that route should be taken but I’m thinking like an older joe dying possibly.

[@gamebrielthegreat8027]

@@VoidStar. I'm not saying that wouldn't be heartbreaking, and I'm not saying that fact should be Ignored. I just believe that throughout the movie, it felt like Joe was making his peace. It felt like loose ends were being tied up, leaving everything in his worldly life on a good note. And, I think, if Joe had really gone to the great beyond, it would've been a seriously powerful message. One that would've stuck around for years to come

[@Jeena_Says_Hi]

Joe: having an existential crisis Jazz lady: FisH

[@MrAnimeFan4Eva]

That solo piano scene in the apartment broke me i just sat there crying my eyes our because nothing was said it shown wondefully ❤❤

[@FGH9G]

And let's not forget the music! Holy hell the music and soundtrack, the jazz, and everything was absolutely top notch!

[@dbert1024]

NC: “Soul 22 is so difficult because she doesn’t want to be alive.” Every millennial: “Bitch, me neither.”

[@blackbirddragon8045]

jumping into that hole to earth was a mistake lmaoooo

[@Chillitz]

i think this movie was made for the millennials.

[@bluespiral4678]

Yea, I think most of us millennials have more in common with 22 before she met Joe. Given enough time and reflection I think grow to appreciate the small things as 22 did while in Joe's body.

[@lunaplaysgames9824]

gen z: "Bitch, me neither."

[@motor4X4kombat]

Seriously Pete Docter is basically owning pixar at this point, since John Lasseter give up with creativity with the cars movies.

[@Poever]

He literally is. When John Lasseter left, Pete basically took his leadership role

[@NS-xx1ze]

Idk, Lasseter is an important factor why Disney came back in the 2010s. When he left, in every film since Ralph 2, it's like something s missing...

[@motor4X4kombat]

@@NS-xx1ze he like lucas and snyder he Is like the creative idea Man, you could ask him some advices he Will help you to do something great, if he isn't around or he makes things by himself he Will crash and burn.

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

The Cars films are creative, they simply aren’t Pixar’s best.

[@motor4X4kombat]

@@jeffreyquinde6707 yeah putting eyes and mouth to the cars... Yay creativity on the roofs.

[@Akatsukileader9]

Also, at the end, he wasn't even dead, he purposefully was in a music trance to try to find 22 back in the other dimension. I don't know why everybody in the film acted like he was still fated to die, when he literally survived the coma and was alive at home playing piano by that time. I never thought he was gonna die for one second.

[@PaperMario64]

I’m so happy he got another chance at life. WE ALL WANT THAT. I agree with your friends, through 22, he saw his life differently. The barbershop scene opened his eyes to how small his focus was.

[@nickdorenkamp959]

I honestly love how this film much like Coco uses music to help tell it's story in some way. I also like how both films tackle the meaning of life and the meaning of one's existence.

[@Alejandro-tc3xq]

A beautiful, heartfelt masterpiece

[@Deactorr]

Another earned Oscar for Pixar, maybe? I think so.

[@mariogamefreak1]

Best picture probably

[@alexa5675]

I hope not. This deserves to be shunned and for fans to riot. I don't like the idea of rioting but CAM'AN... It ticks all the boxes for a shunning.

[@4569packers]

@@alexa5675 What exactly did this movie do to be shunned? Please go ahead and tell us

[@breezingby2611]

@@mariogamefreak1 maybe a picture nomination, but I think they’ll settle for an animated film win There’s a major bias against animation in top categories

[@alexa5675]

@@4569packers It's reverse psychology? We'll see. Those films that deserve an Oscar don't and those that don't, do 🤣

[@daj_music123]

This movie is amazing. I just can’t understand why anybody would hate it.

[@BlitzDemonGamer3032]

truly one of Pixar's Best movies ever made

[@goodmanticore]

The problem with him having had a good life is that he thinks he had a good life until he looks back on it and realizes how sad it was. He focused too much on teeny tiny moments (which is good) but didnt realize that he was actually unhappy until he's faced with the number of bad. I don't think the ending would work if he died.

[@beffygetsgood6315]

I think you hit the nail on the head. If he'd been all about going back to fix his life and he realized it was good all along the accepting death ending would have worked. But since he was all about how great it was until he saw it in the hall it made more sense to go back.

[@britishpie7665]

With that constant message of the movie saying to "focus on the little things in life," for the movie to suddenly say "accept death" would've been a little abrupt imo Plus you sort of expect that, so its nice the movie experts that leaves on a open note for us to guess what happens to Joe

[@goodmanticore]

@@beffygetsgood6315 I actually found it very refreshing that it wasn't that he was unsatisfied with his life as the reason for wanting to go back and "try again." He wanted to go back even when he thought he was satisfied with how things went/were going.

[@shanaedyu]

I think the “mentor” ending thing would’ve been way to predictable. But the ending for me is perfect, he still could be the mentor at the school if he wanted, or the musician he always wanted to be. He can choose one or both now that he can take his second chance.

[@abthedragon4921]

I watched this movie with my parents a few days ago. It was really enjoyable.

[@wildcatste]

I actually like the "getting a second chance" ending here even though like Doug I often find such endings to be trite. It really didn't feel like that this time. I guess because the film did something that I feel doesn't happen much in family films- the character getting the goal and realizing it wasn't all it was cracked up to be. The film takes time to really let that resonate.

[@caldw615]

I think it resonates with different people for different reasons. Some older viewers might think him dying would be the better ending because they themselves are a bit closer to death and perhaps dwelled on the inevitivility of it more already to be content with it, while younger (like people in their late teens-Early 30's) might prefer him going back with this new perspective on life as a comfort for those who have anxiety about their future. Again it might be the other way around too with some older viewers maybe feeling more like they maybe "wasted" their lives but remember the good things and change their mind and so on. For me personally I've had a lot of anxiety about my future and also felt like I perhaps wasted some of my younger years because of those anxiety's but then I think about where I am now and the good things I do have that maybe I didn't initially seek out or have as an "endgoal" but am content with now.

[@BloodwolfAssassin]

One thing I appreciate about the ending, we never actually learn what Joe ended up doing with his second chance. Did he pursue his career as a musician or did he the lucrative teaching job, becoming content with the life he had. I feel like learning Joe's Ultimate fate would have made the movie lesser.

[@matteckert130]

I'm fine with him living. I don't see any point in him learning that lesson if it's too late for it to matter.

[@jeremiahnoar7504]

He could have been a mentor and learned his lesson still

[@tramrant]

Both endings would fit the movie. But if it was indeed a lesson to him, movie's actual ending fits better, cause the point of the lesson is to learn from it and move on with your /life/ with wisdom from it. If he's dead there's no 'lesson' for him. But in any case there's still a message in this movie close to buddhism's philosophy(not the reincarnation part) of finding bliss in accepting the life for what it is.

[@lordbrickmasterproductions3531]

This movies like Fantasia leaning towards more to adults and has fantastic animation

[@666slateran666]

Can confirm psychedelics and this are a great combo

[@EliteFiveJon]

Sorry, Sonic the hedgehog, there goes your Oscar win.

[@alanlee67]

Black biro haha nice. That would be more fitting if the Oscars actually awarded solely based on how good a movie is

[@alanemocab3465]

What's ironic about your statement about the ending was that Pete Doctor stated that Joe going to the great beyond or becoming a mentor was one of many drafts they wrote before coming to this ending. 😊

[@Lunautau101]

I’m honestly happy he didn’t die. I wanted him to get back and have his second chance. But either way, I felt like he learned his lesson. Die, but still know that your life didn’t amount to nothing after all, or live and go live life to the fullest, making more of those mundane but wonderful memories. Plus, I had major anxiety over my goals and “what am I doing with my life”, but by the end of the movie, seeing Joe get that second chance and seeing the lesson both he and 22 learned, gave me much needed hope and lessened my anxiety a little. Edit: I forgot to mention I talked to a friend about it and she said she didn’t want to watch because it would give her an existential crisis, and I feel like this is the kind of movie you need to watch WHEN you have an existential crisis.

[@frydsaman6857]

i agree with u completely

[@wstine79]

Doug: "Pixar, its good to have you back." Rob: "But, Pixar never left." Doug ::hard stare:: "My Pixar IS back!"

[@deshawnedwards6412]

There's no better way to end this year DisneyCember but with a new and last film of this year.

[@Ellie_R.]

As a person with anxiety I can tell you that the monster that 22 went into is real, my fears, my doubts, the negative comments all build up and I want to curl up and repeat what has been said to me... If I could show any one what anxiety looks like it’s that.

[@efstathiosn.s6494]

I have to say, I got early on that he would get his second chance legally, as a "present", for his help with 22. Truthfully, if he died in the end, it would be way too cynical and depressing, and kind of erase the point of his whole movie journey, in accepting that "living is life". He practically finally started living at the end of the movie. But yes. A fantastic movie! Loved it ;)

[@wariolandgoldpiramid]

But he accepted death. So giving him a chance to live after all - I'm not sure if it was the right move.

[@cooperhernandez6404]

I WASNT THE ONLY ONE WHO THOUGHT HIM LIVING WAS WEIRD

[@MrKlausbaudelaire]

but when you think about it, his body was still "livable", he was in the hospital with his heart still beating but in a coma, so just like people's souls detach when they are "in the zone", I guess the same can happen in near-death experiences, but I think Jerries never figured it outso they can let souls of comatoses return to their bnodies once its in living condition.

[@cooperhernandez6404]

@@MrKlausbaudelaire maybe and you do drive a point I was only thinking about it in relation to themes of the story I also thought that he suddenly enjoyed his life and felt much better giving up his own so another could live

[@wrequiem1727]

@@cooperhernandez6404 That's a bit conflicting seeing how the MC just got a chance to do what he's always wanted to do. I wanted the MC to accept death in the beginning but after we found out he wasn't actually dead well...

[@SwearfoGod.]

I still wanna know who lisa was

[@ThemeParkAvenue]

I also made my Disneycember comment, but I want to point out that some of 22’s lines sounded like Tina Fey wrote them.

[@trinaq]

Ditto, I wouldn't be surprised if Fey HAD written the lines for 22, they sound just like her real life personality! 😂

[@dariushcreates]

She did! She was the additional dialogue writer!

[@Marvelfanatic3658]

@@dariushcreates really?!

[@dariushcreates]

Yup. I stuck around during the end credits 🤣

[@Nasser851000]

The perfect movie to end off a crazy year ;)

[@bluespiral4678]

There were many touching moments, but I really loved when Joe learned more about his barbers life and the connection gained from it. Joe's expression when coming to this realization as the cat is what hit me and warmed my heart.

[@KizaruB]

I just want to see it for its animation. It looks GORGEOUS.

[@musicorumdraco2792]

*puts Pixar back on the good studio list* That feels much better

[@motor4X4kombat]

@Marcus Straya they Made the increibles 2 and toy story 4...

[@jm2621]

He didn’t die because they didn’t want children to ask their parents “where did he go?”

[@melteddarkchocolate000]

Good point there but in general I don’t think he did die. He was into playing the piano so it pretty much transfer him back to the soul land or whatever. Honestly looking back at it, that would be a horrible way to die... playing the piano and then your heart just stop and now your back on the elevator to the great beyond.

[@britishpie7665]

Never saw this movie having a "accepting death" message, especially how it focuses much more on "appreciating the little things." Would've been a pretty abrupt message imo Like yeah it would've made the ending more powerful but... its so expected lol, plus it gets us thinking more about what Joe is going to do with his life.

[@Swiftbow]

It would have been expected, yeah, and would have annoyed me. I don't think it would have made it more powerful. Killing characters is too often used merely as a means to get an emotional response. That doesn't make it BETTER. Total agree on your other points!

[@melteddarkchocolate000]

I’ve always told people that I was comfortable of dying however I can’t imagine living the soul life where I lost the sense of taste for food

[@bottlecap9129]

When Jerry told Joe he'd been given a second chance to live, I actually felt relief. Idk... 2020 had been filled with depressing news already. I think movies with the traditional 'happy ending' is pretty much what we need right now 😭

[@Epicboy099]

When the main protagonist fell down a manhole: UNDERTALE