New Class Ideas Leaked and WoW Made Easy (For Groups!) Warcraft Weekly

[@D1str1ct]

I would like to have a LF for M0. It’s not much harder than hc but it gives that better gear. It would make it more accessible for the stepping stone to M+

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

It should have been done earlier already 👍🏻

[@Zeph914]

They could have done LFG for any of the keys.

[@D1str1ct]

@@Zeph914 nah the keys are different. But having a score against you is rubbish and should be removed. In BFA I was a DH clearing 15s and I wouldn’t get accepted into single digit keys because I didn’t have the best score. There’s so much gate keeping in keys. But going by a score isn’t the best way to judge someone’s skill and abilities.

[@alanhamilton3789]

I’ve been wanting necromancers and playable naga since vanilla.

[@MatthewTheWanderer]

How is a necromancer different from a death knight? I agree with you on naga, though. Tinkers would make much more sense as a new class.

[@Saw7th]

@@alanhamilton3789 People will only spout more negative stuff because we have something to call the undead, but they fail to have any incling to what necromamcers even do. DK and Necromancer are very different. I agree that they should be added in the game, but i hope they get the full undead spawn treatment and not the half baked method the DKs have.

[@mossysnail6857]

Nixxiom. is GOING TO LOSE IT LOL

[@STOKERMATHALLAN]

I want spellbreakers just to use the blood elf weapon, shield AND warcraft 3 animation.

[@xdelisiusx]

Your math is a little off on the Gilded Crest upgrade costs. If you got a Myth track item it's only 5 upgrades to max it at 639 or 75 crests. What this change does it make the Nascent Gilded crests cost the same as upgrading a Myth track item to the same item level as the 5/6 Myth track piece, 60. This is a good change and it should have been there from inception. The "tax" on the crafted gear has always been lower ilvl, but there was a double tax in that it cost considerably more crests to get a weaker piece.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

Correct, there was a double tax and now it's aligned closer to what it should be. The player reaction is still the same though - preplan and don't waste gildeds on slots that you'll want to craft for

[@ElCapitanGames]

lets not forget, crafted CANNOT become tier. So it also is a risk. I only get weapons in vault, once ive crafted one.

[@evanklein2855]

As a musician, I have been craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaving Bard. Seems really odd WoW is so late to the party with this one, so many other MMOs have it. There's already a lot of music animations in the game that NPCs and Hpriest use for Hymn.

[@michaelandreasen993]

someone said shaman tank specs might come

[@Zectifin]

a witch could be good. we have blood magic and death magic and we don't have casters that can use either.

[@jeffwhiting4237]

I like that old Drustvar magic. My KT Druid is one of my fave characters to RP. I'd certainly like to see that old magic backstory developed, new character or no.

[@r1pp3dx]

A few interesting things I was thinking about regarding necromancer and bard. For necromancer, it's not just about summoning, but also when you kill a player or NPC, you bring it bac from the dead and have full control over it with all their move set either manually controlled or automatically controlled. Regarding bard - they should also have a provoke talent where they can force NPCs to fight one another or have NPCs attack other players.

[@NerdsonDirtMTB]

Ok noob question, where can I find the time walking vendors (alli side) I have a ton of badges and not sure where to spend them.

[@xINVISIGOTHx]

wait, what's the last day to beat zekfir?? for void mount?

[@SoulSoBreezy]

Supposedly it should be done before the end of the season 1, so there's still a few months. Hopefully the ring will give a bit of a boost for people struggling with ilvl!

[@jedhaney3547]

Tinkerer by FAR should be the leader for next class. They've been in the the universe since at least Warcraft 2, we had full horde and alliance teams of them as NPCs in BfA(with a tank, dps and healer spec), a faction leader representing them, High Tinkerer Mekkatorque, as well as they're the last major fantasy class unrepresented as a class besides Bard. Imagine race specific customization for goblins, gnomes, mechagnomes, humans, dwarves, blood elfs, draenei, lightforged spacegoats, earthen etc. We see unique mecha and such 'tech' in some races/areas; Lightforged mechas in Legion, Arcane tech for blood elves, crystal tech for Draenei These could be handled similarly to druid forms in the barber shop or the like. Different modes of transportation(treads, wheels, legs, hover, etc), weapons(saws, shields, drills, rocket launchers, gatling guns, mortars, rayguns, etc) and such things could either be custimizations or even change depending on your talents. A steampunkish/arcaneotech/magitech mail wearing class, possibly with a heroism ability? Tank in Mechas, using energy shields and a heat/exhaust energy system for abilities(ala Rumble from LoL?), dps with a gun, assorted turrets, gadgets, etc. Healer with a mad scientist vibe using 'questionable' experimental alchemical, technological, etc devices and concoctions to heal and buff allies and debuff enemies? Bard would be intersting but I have a hard time seeing it as a entire class in WoW, perhaps as a support/dps or healer spec for rogue? SPellbreaker I could see as a spec for warrior? Warden a ranged spec for Demon Hunter. Witch a spec for warlock? Necromancer already is kinda done with Unholy DK, Shadow Priest and warlocks. Perhaps a new spec for Priest or Mage? Gunner, rogue ranged dps spec? Astrologion is just a boomkin... Celestial Lancer just sounds like some abilties for warrior, perhaps a new talent tree? Battlemage a melee caster hybrid spec for mages? Sounds alot like a shaman tbh. Possible tank spec for mage? Apothecary, just roll this into Tinkerer, specifically the healer spec. What we do need sides Tinkerer would be new specs for existing classes, helping buoy class and role diversity and I see it helping with tank and healer ques; Tank specs for Hunter, Warlock, Shaman and Evoker; Hunter could use teamwork with their pet to swap in and out, harry a foe, take on aspects of they're animal companion. Honestly Survival should have been a tank spec, the name even fits. Warlock, take on aspects of your fel demons companions, esp your Voidlord or Felguard. Shaman would use the aspect of the earth(mostly?) to be a bulwark for it's allies. Evoker, be the swole ass Dragon Knight we all wanted we saw we were getting a playable dragon knight. Use the essence of the black dragonflight(paired with red essence?), harden your scales to battle your foes. Holy Gun, ranged physical dps spec for palidan. Bannerlord, support/tank or dps spec for warriors. Use banners, shouts, etc to rally your allies and intimidate your foes. Chronomancer, time magic wielding, possibly healer/support mage spec?

[@derella]

Bard would make me so happy.

[@Boomken76]

to bring up Korthia is to invoke that the new content IS NOT RAID LVL MOBS anywhere, Korthia was scaled for heroic raiders no NORMAL PLAYERS

[@chiefputty]

Spending gilded crests on hero gear always felt bad, and I only did when I had nothing else to do. I think they need to adjust the different gear tracks a bit to make it work better. Lowering the crafting cost to 60 gilded is great, maybe a little too much as it's now cheaper than just upgrading a mythic piece (which cost 75).

[@kornfreak78]

Personally I want to see new PROFESSIONS. I think with the upcoming player housing they need to bring (Lumberjack) to the game which would enable you to harvest lumber from trees all over Azeroth and (Carpenter) which would allow you to use the wood gathered from the Lumberjack profession and make it so you could build furniture for your house. If done correctly, those two professions would be incredible!

[@JamesCusano]

I've been hoping for a Woodworker profession for years that could be a hybrid gatherer/crafter profession (like Tailoring has become) that could harvest wood from trees AND craft it into wood-based items. I agree that the timing with player housing would be perfect!

[@aaiidt5770]

Spellbreaker would be the #1 choice for me

[@nomnomNACHO]

The depletion mechanic in M+ creates an environment where people will gatekeep to reduce risk. Yes it is only one person who looses the key, but that person is creating the group and their goal is to reduce risk of a depletion when picking comp ( it may not be necessary, but ultimately it doesnt matter since it is their key)

[@AtomicShamanTTS]

I can see Bard being a Rogue Spec that provides buffs.

[@snakebyteOne]

More a fan of introducing a 3rd or 4th spec for existing classes than I would be for a sudden class explosion. We could use more tank specs (Warlock tank or Hunter tank).

[@matthewalexander2780]

I agree with you. Except for Hunter tank. While I wouldn’t mind that and I’m sure others would enjoy that, just seems weird to me. But warlock tank, shaman tank, even rogue tank - these already exist on SoD and should be implemented on live servers. It would spike a tank boon like crazy. But sadly, they would have to shift the warlock tank spells and abilities because a lot of what they already do is similar to DH. But I would still love to see it. But I am tired of the same classes. It’s been 20 years with most of these. We had monk and DH. DK. And Evoker for DF. But it’s been a long time since we’ve seen a new melee or tank class. Other games have all these classes and specs. Meanwhile, one the largest MMOs are stuck with this basic design. I would like more variety for myself and the community.

[@JbizzyG]

DH could use a third spec. I'd love it to be support like aug. Runes, demon debuffs and fel power buffs.

[@belzz2119]

​@@JbizzyG same! It's my biggest hope followed by mage healer and Shaman/WL tank

[@UniceSmith-yt]

Great video Soul. Your content is always top notch. Thank you for doing what you do.

[@Osfrie]

i've been wanting a mage tank for the longest time. a tank that maybe summons a construct to do the tanking, buffing it (aug style) to tank the hits and such while they themselves are classed as a ranged player. would be so interesting

[@Doct0rLekter]

Please don’t advertise WME, the leadership tried to profit off of the death of a member of the WOW community, refused to apologize, and then actively suppressed the community response in an attempt to have this whole thing blow over. They were removed from several recommendations for this reason and its honestly so hurtful to see anyone recommend them

[@GooseComics]

Indeed. It has also been removed from reddit's side threads as well and has been unrecommended by wowhead and everyone else that is familiar with what has been going on with the leaders of that community.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

Huh, is there an article about this?

[@GooseComics]

@SoulSoBreezy www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1gf0oay/leader_of_a_large_wow_community_uses_ibelin_to/

[@Doct0rLekter]

@@SoulSoBreezy I have additional “receipts” regarding the situation and the community leaders express refusal to acknowledge the situation or apologize so that it would blow over. I would have to contact one of the mods who quit the community over this situation to get this or see if one of my guild mates kept a screenshot or two

[@UniceSmith-yt]

Also note that many of the people complaining in the reddit articles were previous banned from WME because they were Toxic in the first place.

[@Dr0Damyen]

WoW made easy sounds really good. Do you have any idea if there is an EU variant of them? I have been looking, but the Discords I joined had like 10/20 message per day. They felt a little bit "dead".

[@unclvinny]

There is! It’s called No Pressure

[@Dr0Damyen]

@@unclvinny thank you for the tip.

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

That's interesting 🤔 have to check it out

[@MatthewTheWanderer]

It sounds terrible to me. Like elitist gatekeepers.

[@unclvinny]

@@MatthewTheWanderer really?! my experience has been that it's "politeness" gatekeepers, if anything. More experienced players are very helpful to new people, and everyone is either quiet or friendly. I've played with them for several seasons, and I'm not great at the game -- I make plenty of mistakes -- but I've learned a ton from people I run with. The only problems I've had is when (a) people aren't clear about what kind of run they want (i.e., they don't clearly say they're learning) or (b) when someone breaks the rule and brings someone who hasn't agreed to the WME 'contract'. The worst run I ever had was when someone invited a rando who was horrible.

[@lizpollock2376]

Agreed. I'm there for Necromancer and Tinker. Especially if the Tinker-Tank is literally that! When selecting Tank spec they get converted into a mechanical tank. Awesome! They would have to cover some ground to create a clear differential between Death Knights and ranged Necromancers. Personally I'd throw a Witch Doctor in there because I love that format in Diablo. But again they'd need to do some work around Shamans to differentiate, and as a Shaman is my main I'd rather they they didn't fiddle with that as it's on fire right now.

[@ctk4949]

Did they remove the weekly(120) or seasonal cap of crests????

[@MattWellmanWriter]

Yeah this last reset

[@UltimateGamerCC]

end of season they always do, but for non mythic andys, this change comes too late.

[@ctk4949]

@@MattWellmanWriter Ahh OK kewl, but not the Valorstones cap. lol

[@Skuggi88]

Can we level alts on the siren isle?

[@SoulSoBreezy]

No, it's a max level zone

[@paulachenkonobert3802]

Originally, there were to be three main groups in Wow. Alliance, Hord, and Goblin.

[@EyeKahnography]

woooo Team Goblin!

[@paxmorgana]

I think it'd be neat if they came out with an "Adventurer" class that could just wear any armor and equip any weapon that its' specializations had access to. Blizzard could just stack this class up with a bunch of 1 spec classes, then as they think of new specs, they could release the new class fully, and give you an option to get a character of that class with a level equal to your "Adventurer"s level. It would've worked better before DF's talent rework where the class has talents too, but you could probably still make something compelling with this idea. It'd be a way to give people a bunch of class fantasy without having to fully build out classes, and thus have them potentially come out more quickly.

[@ghoraxe9000]

Engineer class could be cool.. could simply call it the worker class... You build fortifications and mech suits... Upgrade them... Talent them etc... maybe bonuses to the engineering /mining/smithing... Maybe a new skill like woodcutting which any class to take on and acquire worker like abilities

[@badmind6290]

I still hope to see, one day, every class being able to be a tank or a healer. The full dps classes really struggle in queues, but it would be cool to have a talent tree revamp or addition to the classes to have them able to perform a second role, it would add variety to raids and dungeons.

[@lukehannan2682]

Hi guys, is there a similar discord for EU?

[@sky3105]

No Pressure is the EU Version of it

[@heysaekari]

WoW Made Easy discord is great and I've never had a bad experience grouping there up to 10s

[@UltimateGamerCC]

only getting the ring for Mog purposes, Tinker will spell the end of Engineering and i fear that classes similar to whomever is picked will suffer as well.

[@plummet3860]

Engineering has been dead for years

[@SoulSoBreezy]

As long as Engineers still have wormholes it'll always be one of the best profs imo

[@EyeKahnography]

I'm absolutely still gearing up to try to finish soloing Zekvir ?? and still in the patch. Loving leveling honour levels in Alterac for the anniversary and leveling pets at the fairgrounds. Looking forward to plunderstorm being ridiculous and making winter more fun. As I was out of the country and missed Forbidden Reach in DF Looking forward to Siren Isles and gearing up some alts. yeah totally in.

[@m.a.dmatt6689]

It does seam like every other expansion we get a new class, so we are due for a new one in the 'Midnight' expansion at least

[@atofose]

God it was so bad when so many people came into WME. Im so glad the community is so amazing about controlling toxic people. There was so much gate keeping for awhile and they seem to have snipped that out

[@maan22245]

What does crest do Anyway

[@robert7510]

New race was confirmed last year there is suppose to be one for each expansion in the world soul saga. As Well as complimenting classes for the last two.

[@jalzahn4404]

I'm going to jump into this next patch. I might switch my main as well. And I'm looking forward to the Tinker class, if they do it. I heard about a few of the classes from an acquaintance.

[@darknagaadventures7884]

Warcraft is so toxic, when I came back, I turned off every chat channel I could and make it a solo game.

[@josephblanchard5212]

To me it seems like they want ro fully add support looking at those lists. Almost all of them have some sort of support aspect to them. I truly want Warden. I think it would make so much sense

[@Shakalowski]

Shadowhunter like Vol'jin?

[@mrsteveruns]

Without diving in (and hopefully I didn't miss it being mentioned) but is WoW Made Easy purely for US region grouping or are other regions welcomed?

[@SoulSoBreezy]

They're us region. Spoilers alert, talking with the folks from dungeon dojo in an effort to bump them too

[@GooseComics]

@@SoulSoBreezy Yeah Dungeon Dojo is legit an awesome community! Highly recommend

[@mrsteveruns]

@@SoulSoBreezy @GooseComics Awesome, thanks. Thought it worth asking before strolling in all EU haha

[@JoniNeo2]

For the EU region you have No Pressure - EU

[@mrsteveruns]

@@JoniNeo2 Ace, thank you, I'll look into them also :)

[@JamesCusano]

With the exception of maybe Tinkerer and Bard, all of the other class concept descriptions sound better as specs or spec-options for existing classes. For example: I love the idea of dual-wielding 1-handed guns and 1-handed crossbows, but I also feel like it would be a better and more meaningful fit thematically with Survival Hunters (with optional elemental effects) and Outlaw Rogues (with optional poison and explosive effects) rather than made a separate class.

[@davidjohnston136]

You must be real fun at parties !!

[@MatthewTheWanderer]

@@davidjohnston136 That makes NO sense in context! OP is 100% correct.

[@allew7400]

Tinker, Necromancer and Spellbreaker wow

[@gregoryglenn8522]

Nice shirt! :D

[@EligiuszNiewiadomski1312]

I just wonder how nobody said Satyr as Race and Class bound with it as necromancer comes very obvious. They can be druids too so fun new druid on the board too

[@SoulSoBreezy]

off the top of my head haven't satyrs been an "always evil" kind of race? Yeah there can always be new story but it'd feel like a sudden 180

[@EligiuszNiewiadomski1312]

@@SoulSoBreezy i am not lore junkie at all but havent we did 180s few times already?

[@eldon451]

they have had some waves recently might want to look deeper

[@grennbalze]

Not sure how i feel about this idea, but ill put it out there. A key wont deplete, but you cant run it again at that level until the timer wouldve run out or you complete it. That way people cant just kick and restart if they dont like how its going. But yoy can run it lower just the same you can now

[@Djgrapejuice900]

Cross class spec. Warlock and DK have access to necromancer, mage and druid has astronomer, rogue and hunter have gunner.. Just a guess

[@OwlNightMoon]

I dont need new class. But give new spec for old classes. Like druid had 4. Other only 3, like shaman need voodoo spec, warlock need nercromancer, hunter can bard, etc

[@billflynn9962]

wish they would reimburse us for those crafted pieces we already spent 90 crests on... but good change

[@arthurfilemon6038]

Tinker is stupid - Hunters already tinker with stuff. Gunner - Hunters already use guns and similar "gun" animations Necromancer - YES - classic debuffers in Warcraft 3 - should def. be a new class. So for me it's Necromancer. Warden - Spec for Hunters Bards - please it never worked on any games, they just look and feel stupid

[@Anttheman93]

5:35, This change would affect everyone, not just the key holder. I believe keys not downgrading upon bricking would be an overall net positive for M+ because it would allow people who usually wouldn't even get looked at for keys, to be given a chance. When there is no risk to the key holder if they pull in a less skilled/bad player, they will be more open to who they allow in their keys. So, the people struggling to push IO, or get into keys in general, actually get an opportunity to. It would make having a meta group less necessary allowing for more diversity in m+. I do agree, it would cause a new problem with people starting to replace their underperformers mid key in order to push, but if you are constantly being replaced for underperforming in keys, maybe you should take a look at how you are playing. Read some guides and get better. This issue is minimal compared to the good that making that change would do for M+

[@Schon1Kevin]

the classes sound more like new hero talent specs

[@Saw7th]

Necromancer - Tank spec ^^

[@JenRenePhoto]

I'm just a casual but I'll at least check it out. I'm probably behind on story and a bunch of things anyway. I'd love to be able to find a raid or run more M+ but it's pretty much only me, my bf, and our friend in my guild. And they do more PvP. I've been relying on delves for gear, which has worked shockingly well and has me in almost all heroic gear.

[@badger2549]

Can't replace all the gear with crafted anyways - won't get set bonus so it's a non issue.

[@xaulted1]

If you think balancing 12+1 classes is brutal and often unfair, wait till there's like 20...

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

Yea it's already a sh*tshow.. Add more hero talent trees or specs but no new classes...

[@moonlghtknght]

"Balancing" is part of the problem. the game should always be unbalanced. That's what makes games like this more fun. Pokemon has been popular for as long as it has been because it's a giant "rock, paper, scissors" sort of game. WoW was like that in the beginning, once they started to make everyone the same, the game started losing subs.

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

@moonlghtknght You're mixing homogenisation with balancing. There should be a goal to balance classes as close as they can like within 1% but it's not possible and I don't think they really even want to do it because they like that some patches other classes get to be at the top and some other classes in the next patch etc (kinda my tinfoil hat theory). On the homogenisation thing they went that way at one point but they took some steps back from that. Now it's kinda messy some classes feeling very unique in a way and others feeling maybe too similar. Gameplay wise at least.

[@moonlghtknght]

@@ShadowsOfThePast "You're mixing homogenisation with balancing." Nope. I understand the difference. Homogenisation is things like giving everyone a kick, or a raid buff, or the ability to lust. I'm not talking about that. I specifically mentioned the Pokemon example for that very reason. Fire beats Grass, which beats Water, which beats Fire. Same thing should happen in WoW. A Rogue should be able to shut down a Mage, but a Hunter should be able to shut down a Rogue, etc. (Those are just examples, don't get hung up on them). Additionally, no class should really be on top of the damage meters for long either. If they went several expansions with (as an example, again, don't get hung up on it) Mages being the kings of DPS, people would be going beserk on the forums. I'm not saying they should even nerf a class into the ground to put it at the bottom either, but knocking a top DPS down a few notches and buffing a lagging DPS so it can be king for a bit is not a bad thing.

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

@moonlghtknght But that's exactly what they do in retail now. One season some classes/specs are meta and some are not. Then there's class tuning even mid season/patches where they buff the lower specs etc. The "meta" is always changing. Some classes ofc have better utility than others so it also affects stuff.

[@Skuggi88]

I would like to see m+ keys be taken out with a delve like level system put into its place. Paid carries need to be slowed down so the over inflated m+scores can be stabilized.

[@Craznar]

I couldn't do the first Plunderstorm due to disability - wondering if the new one allows ranged play?

[@Harry-db4xf]

This looks like FF14 your class matures into a higher renamed class eg: warlock > witch or mage > Battlemage and so on.

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

Warlock > rest

[@summer_hater68]

bard would be cool, but it would prefer having a new spec for each existing class right now.

[@GhostonYoutube201x]

the depletion system was good in 2016 and etc but not now, people have changed how they play games, just how raiding was the staple if you wanted gear, m+ needs a shake up or it needs a sytem to replace it, its showing overtime people are losing interest in it and the fun is not really there

[@raymondsteenbeek]

Engineer class like the island expeditions! tank dps heal.

[@SupremoMancoSama]

still waiting for my OGRE rogue! in regards of the crest i disagree with you completely, the point of view you're giving is mostly for a single spec / single toon kind of situation, my friends and i as an example we like playing more than just 1 spec in our characters and we also like BiS, with this we are able to have more crest to upgrade our gear and also craft different kind of crafted gear, i play pretty much all the specs when i am on a toon, 90 crests was a lot for crafted gear and also to buy the next level crests i am glad they are changing it for it to be less of a grind and more fun, they just need to fix a little bit more of the RNG side because trying to get BiS doing the same dungeon 100 times for a piece you really need it just doesn't feel rewarding at all, maybe giving some kind of keys like the blackrock raid and being able to buy the gear you want at least hero 1/6 or champion 1/8 depending on the key you want, to have more variety in regards of specs AND also dungeons, right now as an example there is A LOT OF PEOPLE queuing for ara kara because the egg is BiS for everybody, but there are some dungeons like city of threads... i ALWAYS have problem trying to get a group together for that dungeon, that way it doesn't matter the dungeon you can either push or queue for random 8s etc and doesn't have to be an specific one.

[@Boomken76]

11:50 they could tart by removing the bs of getting 30min que band when there client crashes, they dc, the instance breaks and cant be finished, ALL REWARDED que ban

[@Ghost-lx5oi]

Shamn tanks are overdue. They need to focus on specs and new specs, not new classes.

[@redfox4561]

Tinker all the way, please blizzard please do Tinker wow needs a technology focused class plus tinkers could be so cool and fun

[@talisredstar1543]

Eh that incorrect on ilvl alignment. The first season of Crests in Dragonflight had crafted gear = to Mythic plus gear. So the meta became, get your tier, and the super rares, then fill out every other piece of gear with crafted items. Was cool, but expensive af. So after that they dropped the max ilvl gear for crafted items to be below the mythic max gear.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

Half correct - m+ gear and crafted gear were same ilvl but were BOTH lower than the super rare stuff from mythic raids. Today dungeon gear = raid gear with crafted only one "upgrade level" behind (since upgrade levels didn't exist in 1).

[@talisredstar1543]

@@SoulSoBreezy Right, and I don't want crafted gear to ever meet the same ilvl as super rares. But I also don't want to see Crafted gear be useless either, as well as I don't want to go back to having to have crafted gear in all my none tier slots either. Crafting in TWW is expensive AF, and only now getting to a semblance of reasonable.

[@sophblueberry]

I would love bard with mogs and instruments to match. But that survey looked fake.

[@regalgiant1597]

A tinker class is so moronic, makes sense in this day and age of WoW.

[@samadams2315]

Added to my last comment add the tinkerclass to mechgnomes only ❤

[@beaudamien]

They need to get rid of mythics. They suck.

[@Nightmase]

They should first off bring paladin / shaman and druid out for all races before making another class

[@RichardEspinoza-q9i]

Here's a good idea for a new class. And it makes sense for the next expansion it's obvious ((((void Palatine)))). It makes sense. Why not how Pelicans that fell to the void.

[@michaelbrewer2411]

Still want Evoker tanks. Demon hunters that work like Augmentation

[@h0wlingstar]

Vulpera Tinker :P or a Bard.

[@lisaleone2296]

Why are they making a new class? We don't need more classes. The ones we have are already muddy. Every one of the ones in that survey already exists except for Bard which could be interesting IF they made it a true pacifist support class that did not add DPS on its own but augmented others. They would need a spec for leveling and then a spec for actual barding. Can you imagine a guy who stands back playing a lute and singing songs while everyone is getting pummeled by the boss? There's a different song for each type of damage, and a proc that makes the character freestyle and spike the buff.

[@tkevinmartin]

We are in dire need of new classes and not the same variations of the same race over and over again.

[@Rayngood]

Tinker/Gunslinger please blizz ty

[@LittleFullLotaSap]

A dual-pistol wielding class? Yes please. I came here just to say I've already made a name holder character named Roland :)

[@tyrgannusgaming6657]

I am and always will be team Bard. Pretty much the final flavour of DnD character not in WoW

[@cheerfulgestalt3282]

Why are people putting so much stock in this "leaked" survey again?

[@undefinerender9274]

Sounds to me the discord is to weed out the bads. Have fun regardless I guess.

[@Taiylim]

Some of those classes are straight mirrors of FFXIV classes lol.

[@Nokomak]

Cloth based tank? Dude. How about we get a mail armor tank class first. It's the second bulkiest armor there is yet no tank. Meanwhile leather is practically swimming in tanks. Mail is the coolest armor class and yet we have 2 classes for it... Still!?! Evoker came around but was like yeah you'll never see your mogs. It doesn't count. Tinker would be good for this. Mail armor fits perfectly. And it would be nice to run around as an engineer goblin. But why titan technology though? Titan this titan that. Boring. Goblins and Gnomes already have cool tech going on. Also. Necromancer exists. It's called Unholy DK. Honestly I cant see any other class be added further than a mechanic tinker.

[@julian.galenziok]

i want a range specc for paladins

[@octapusxft]

the timer and the downgrade were mistakes from the start. It only made M+ into more of a PvP than PvE

[@SoulSoBreezy]

haha, just about all non-queue grouping has always been a form of competitive pve

[@octapusxft]

@@SoulSoBreezy yeah, but only M+ has managed to make people so wary of wasting their time that they started using a third party site to "check the CV" of the other players. Meanwhile if the delve has issues, we just restart and be come careful. M+ was made to be way too anti fun

[@octapusxft]

@@SoulSoBreezy But only M+ made people really fly over the edge and create a third party site for profiling players

[@SoulSoBreezy]

in fairness we've already had a first party site (armory) to profile players and it's the players themselves that wanted more to measure themselves, like warcraft logs and raider.io. imo the mistake on players' part is to assume and expect game features to be always be made for them and only for them, and when it's not, respond as if it was supposed to be made for them. WoW doesn't have all of these different things to do because they expect everyone to do everything. Dungeons manage to stand in a unique postion because there're key levels (including 0) that capture a certain audience. Friction happens when the faceless game tells a team they're not good enough to achieve a certain milestone. Not everyone can deal with that reality.

[@stormrider8286]

I don't know how much I am going to play this new patch. I've been playing kingdom hearts here lately and it's been a nice little break. I've reached my goal on my main and kinda burned myself out. It's a great expansion. I just need a little break. What are you guys playing in your down time

[@tracyknowles4680]

Just look up the classes of conquest of Azeroth and Blizzard is behind

[@Crimelord1827]

Gnome DRUIDS i bet is most asked for class

[@PinkRaisins]

the ring without stats again.

[@SoulSoBreezy]

There are stats (gems).

[@CarlosSpicyweiner-iv8mq]

this better NOT be clickbait. (edit) thanks for this being informative and real information. sorry I doubted you. much respect.

[@ayasemisaki8309]

The discord sounds like a nice fantazy. But after what i see of comments it aint all good. But then again nothing is realy all good. Would be nice to see a non toxic discord group for M+ on EU. Every single season i give it a shot and everytime i stop because ragers. If they attack me i shrug it of and just takes note of what i did wrong. .. But when they rage because the tank isnt going as fast as they want. Taking as risky pulls as they want then that is a issue. Same goes for attacking healers as both these roles do a heavy job and the DPS pew pew maybe if lucky they join in on interrupts but that isnt often either. So when they rage and attack for stupid reasons then i just go away from M+ and wishes it removed so players can improve behaviour or go solo in delves.... So such a discord is sorely needed on EU. When it comes to the patch i m around and farming it. The game have kept me around since late BC so might aswell follow it until the end

[@sashimiturtle]

Necromancer!!!

[@Boomken76]

its pvp dont pretend its more then that

[@KaiserDragonTV]

I was expecting a new class not just updates ... and nope im not im playing Pantheon Rise of the fallen on Steam for 39 bucks... new game starting from the ground .

[@liquidbirds4703]

So it's HOA for wow