sound test arp 2600 / berhinger 2600

testing simple sounds for comparison , no talk

[@martijn_nl]

The original has more authority, sounds harmonically richer. It's probably the amp section. Something I've noticed with more Behringer clones. Still I think Behringer does a great job in making these machines affordable.

[@baward]

Merci Olivier. They are so close as to be virtually identical, and I would have thought that any audio difference could easily down to component tolerance difference in standard production (say, in 1975 :-)

[@VikramShankarMusic]

The reverb on the original is definitely a lot more usable than on the Behringer, but aside from that, I was actually surprised how well matched they are. I listened a good chunk of this video without looking at it and in a blind test it's really close, and a mix, would be virtually indistinguishable I think.

[@dzaxys4643]

I think they have a spring reverb in the blue behringer and a digital reverb in the black behringer 2600 so I have heard

[@agnosturaelwsr]

I have two of the Behringers, the reverb is to simple but I use external reverb/delay anyway as on every other synths I got.

[@leelek4720]

On every single notes hitting ,there is slightly pitch detune of original 2600 , which give it some adorable juicy flavor.

[@theodorlachanas171]

The old one (original) has a "rounder" sound, warmer and more human (frequency instability helps with this..). The closest to the old one is berhinger. I did not expect this from a company (Berhinger) that is not used to making quality hardware.excellent video! Thank you Olivier!!

[@psilocypher]

The ARP’s reverb is definitely superior, but that’s the be expected considering it’s a real spring, unlike the Behringer. Aside from that, I think the Behringer is hard to beat, given the price point.

[@BrianOuellette19]

The Blue Marvin, like the one here, and the Grey Meanie both have real springs. I'd be curious what the differences in the spring reverb setups are.

[@psilocypher]

@@BrianOuellette19 Oh, I didn’t realize that! I just recently purchased the original Behringer.

[@adamrourke1586]

@@psilocypher "Original Behringers" are quite rare!

[@mellytek]

in fairness the beh is capturing the harmonics , its a little bit duller in sound but for studio use it still feels like a win , feck it i'll grab one anyhow :) cheers for the comparison!

[@tsteel1722]

Voilà un vrai comparatif sans commentaire et donc sans apriori. Chacun jugera. Merci Olivier.

[@kvmoore1]

Wonderful comparison. They both sound GREAT!!!! I'm actually surprised at how close the Behringer sounds to the original. AMAZING!!!

[@noeqplease]

Super close. I love my Behringer Blue Meanie.

[@MOOTANT1]

The usual bright sound from Behringer. I have issues getting their stuff to fit in the mix. Hesitant to get their 2600

[@ElPeschke]

Love it! ❤️ At begging comparison the filter on Behringer is 100%? I'm not sure, but I hear it with less high end. All the other comparison seems like the Behringer is the same sound by Arp!

[@hajimmie]

It doesn't look 100% open to me.

[@ElPeschke]

@@hajimmie neither for me :)

[@agnosturaelwsr]

Great comparison, I now had my BARP2600 for two years and the sounds gets just better and better after more use. Of course If I could lay my hands on a original one it would be great but the Behringer does a fantastic job. I'd never had a chance to buy the original one but my BARP2600 will be followed by a number two this year!

[@synthetic24]

It is Behringer 2600 not "BARP" it has nothing to do with ARP at all. And the word "barp" sounds also stupid btw.

[@agnosturaelwsr]

@@synthetic24 Its built upon ARP2600, troll. It sounds fantastic, wonderful and fantastic. Maybe even better than the ARP

[@synthetic24]

@@agnosturaelwsr Hahaha, yeah you wish...(NOT!)

[@agnosturaelwsr]

@@synthetic24 Whatever.

[@NicolasMelis]

thank you for the comparison video 😊

[@Thoracius]

wow such difference right off the bat in the oscillators alone. And then the reverb -- it sounds like Behringer simply made a mistake. Perhaps the barp reverb could be brightened up with a mod?

[@samot1808]

Pretty sure you are just hearing the fact that the video is recorded using a room mic and both synths are being played from different speakers. They don’t sound like recordings straight from the device to me.

[@u9s0e9r]

Question for those who are into synth repair and all that stuff: how maintainable is the Behringer clone? Like down the road in 15/20 years time, would you be able to repair the Behringer 2600 if it breaks? Will it actually last that long?

[@robthebloke]

I'm going to guess it will be OK. I tend to work on 70's and early 80's equipment, which is all pretty much through hole components, rather than surface mount. The most common flaws you tend to find with vintage equipment are either caps that need replacing, or the physical movement of the sliders/switches/pots has caused a solder joint to break. Caps these days are far better quality, so that leaves you will solder breaks. Those are going to be super easy to repair. It is possible that in time, a fader may wear out, usually as a result of gunk getting inside, and either scratching the carbon, or bending the two little contacts under the fader (synths with rotary pots will always outlast those with faders). That may require a new fader to be installed at some point down the line. The moog MG-1 and rouge are notorious for that, mainly due to felt that decomposed into black tar in time. These kinds of problems are no harder to fix on modern equipment that vintage stuff, although you may have a tiny bit more wiggle room to get your soldering iron into position on vintage gear. If you are really unlucky, you may have a resistor that has over heated (typically somewhere near the start of the power rail), or in very rare circumstances, a failed transistor or diode. Those failures are really annoying, because identifying which component has failed is 99% of the repair time/cost. By and large though, modern surface mount components tend to be much more reliable than vintage stuff, so I doubt that would be an issue. (if they did fail, it would be more fiddly to locate the problem, but not impossible, assuming a good service manual is available) Old gear can have problems with failed IC's. Depending on the chip that has failed, that can be a massive problem. Typical ops amps (eg tl072) can be sourced at very little cost. But some synths have very specialised chips (eg the divider chips in a memory moog/MG-1, or most of the ICs in the yamaha CS series). In this regard, most of the behringer clones should be using pretty standard off the shelf components. You might have difficulty finding a replacement midi IC chip, or spring reverb IC in the 2600 clone (only in the black one! The blue and grey ones have reverb tanks). It's possible that a spring could become detached from a reveb tank if given a hard enough whack. That would be easy to fix. The thing I hate most about working on vintage gear, is when you open it up, and someone has made a bunch of modifications to it. You basically have to spend an age figuring out what the mods do, and whether they're working, usually without a service manual to guide you. So would I prefer to work on a behringer 2600, or an unmolested original arp 2600? The behringer :) The original PCBs on the arp 2600 were encased in blocks of epoxy resin. You'd have to chip away at that before you could even test a component, let alone replace it! I'd imagine the only major problems you could have with the behringer would be a worn out jack socket or fader. Pretty easy through hole stuff to fix.

[@robthebloke]

Will it last 15/20 years? If you cover it with a cloth or plastic cover when not in use, to keep the dust out of the faders, you're probably good for 30 years or more with only a minor recalibration every so often. Without a cover, probably after 15 years, you'll need some deoxit F5 to clean the faders. You might need to Reflow the solder on a jack socket or fader hear and there (maybe 15 to 20 years down the line - but do so when it starts getting glitchy, rather than leaving it!!), but otherwise there's no reason it shouldn't last 40 years or so. Chances are that by then, your VCF cutoff and frequency faders will be worn out and may need replacing (if you're super worried, order some now for just the VCF - 40 year old faders are hard to source!). I think people dont realise just how cheap and nasty those vintage moogs are the inside.

[@surrogatemarker]

@@robthebloke as a collector of old studio equipment, I would add to your excellent comments above, one factor that was common in the 1960’s 70’s and 80’s , is that most music artists and sound engineers smoked, and often heavily in the studio. Pots and sliders for some of the equipment I’ve collected and salvaged over the years have built up exhaled cigarette tar resin that requires cleaning with carefully chosen solvents. The built up tar resin is a dust magnet and over time changes the thermal dissipation characteristics of board components shaving some years off their life.. While in some rare cases, I think the cigarette tar patina may have actually preserved some components.. LOL

[@6stringks]

at this price its actually very affordable to have a second synth..unboxed.

[@BASS.E]

@@6stringks Smart answer

[@Farold_Haltermeyer]

There’s a visceral psycho-sonic effect lacking in the Behringer, it’s suuuuuuper subtle but probably down to minute harmonic frequency differences...but for those that can hear/feel it it’s huge

[@FrankPSF]

I'm going with the Arp. It's sound is richer, fuller, fatter ... the timbre seems expressed farther on each end of the sound. It may be that the filter response is a bit wider. Even on the high end, the resonance has a bit more pinch, bite. The Berhinger just sounds little and tinny to my ear.

[@brobocop8293]

lol

[@lottielee8359]

ARP is unique and much fuller. I really don't like the layout of the Behringer either.

[@relaxmax6808]

Nobody s mentions the difference in basses . Arp in this demo you can clearly hear the Sub Basses ! Man ! Difference is huge .

[@henrikgerlach4765]

Wow! The Behringer sounds so much phatter! Much more texture and depth! ❤️

[@henrikgerlach4765]

@Jim Dandy Maybe you are just deaf or (and?) a follower sheep?

[@DoctorJezz]

@@henrikgerlach4765 I'm guessing/hoping the comment was just irony ... ;)

[@gunjabeans]

If by Phatter you mean less character and less mojo then I totally agree. Were you listening on a cell phone?

[@agnosturaelwsr]

Now you have upset all the haters of Behringer.

[@tarkus3004]

great video. but why L-R mono?

[@meqqqievrimimi-wv7zm]

The reverb is the only thing that jumps out as being very obviously different sounding. The reverb in the ARP is much better sounding. I wonder if the reverb in the Behringer can be improved by swapping different springs into it.

[@meqqqievrimimi-wv7zm]

The attack of the notes sound very slightly different too. The attack from the Behringer seems bit more pokey and aggressive, but only a little bit and that might be able to be tweaked out with slightly different control settings. All the vibes are captured well, though. I'm impressed with it.

[@ogasi1798]

#behringer did great stuff with the 2600 - and what a setup of gear you have Olivier :-o very nice sir

[@jeanfrancoislavielle9719]

Le comparatif est éloquent : On aura tort de se priver du Behringer !

[@Pierrelegere]

Thank you, Oliver! I think the Behringer is missing the depth and texture of the Arp.

[@poinj03]

As usual at behringer... Is exactly the same without depth and textures. It’s cheap that’s all

[@Biosynth]

@@poinj03 sound isn’t cheap at all believe me

[@poinj03]

For me B. Is almost perfect clone, at 98% but it’s like a cool vst in hardware. No soul, no mojo. It’s not for me, I prefer grandmother or dsi.

[@Biosynth]

@@poinj03 I had a grandmother, and I prefer the poly-D (for functionnalities, sound is great for the two) I don’t like DSI synths, too bright. But this new b2600 is really fat, love it. Not dirty like the old one but still really enjoyable :)

[@henrikgerlach4765]

LOL Bullshit! What are you talking about? The Behringer clearly sounds much phatter. It has much more depths and texture.

[@jerelmani]

great comparison thanks!

[@ehudwachtel1850]

arp 2600 for sure!

[@ANOMAunusual]

merci beaucoup super comparatif

[@farben_]

For the things that matter the Behringer is nowhere near close, specially the reverb and filter, great demo none the less!

[@henrikgerlach4765]

Bulllshit. It's absolutely the same. The only difference is that the Behringer sounds much phatter and has much more depth. Actually exactly the way my Arp 2600 sounded in the 70s. Don't get fooled by your eyes. Make a blind test.

[@saren6538]

price is nowhere near close either to an original

[@lottielee8359]

@@henrikgerlach4765 Not what I'm hearing or seeing. The Behringer is a completely different beast.

[@alphabeets]

Well done comparison!

[@supercompooper]

A great demo comparison thanks

[@ozhalljr]

I can easily tell the difference. The ARP is in the left channel. The Behringer is in the right channel. 🤣 Great comparison.

[@garyhazelton3307]

I'll give you $699 for your original? Honestly, I hear the bass is a little better with the original with a coarser sound and the filters seem more granular. Overall, Behringer seems to have done a good job. Win for them.

[@henrikgerlach4765]

Sorry but that's pure bullshit. Behringer has the same bass and coarse in the filters. It sounds even phatter!

[@synthmaven]

The Blue sounds slightly duller to my ears when he is playing the single notes t the start but could also be the filter setting. Virtually indistinguishable while in action though,

[@BullyMaguire4ever]

Originally has more bass, and also sounds more pleasing on the top end.

[@iiizeroiii1636]

This guy is Moog'd out of his mind. what a chad.

[@gunjabeans]

Behringer does a great job of capturing the basic sound of these classic synths but they always lack the Mojo that made the original a classic.

[@o.b.v.i.u.s]

stop it

[@gunjabeans]

@@o.b.v.i.u.s Facts are facts.

[@o.b.v.i.u.s]

​@@gunjabeans that's the point... facts are facts... but you're talking "mojo", not facts, which is exactly what one does when they have no facts... you're like the Deepak Chopra of synth comparisons...

[@gunjabeans]

@@o.b.v.i.u.s Trust your ears bro. They don't sound the same and the behringer is not as good. End of story.

[@markchristopher2signal2]

Mine is on its way but it's the orange one

[@analogart5251]

Merci olivier , quel est donc ta conclusion ? le behringer 2600 est il vraiment similaire à l'original ? ça me donne vraiment l'envie de l’acquérir prochainement en plus de mon korg monologue , crave , wasp deluxe et de mon modulaire DIY encore en construction et pas encore vraiment au point lol . le behringer model D et le neutron me font aussi de l’œil , à m'écouté j’achèterai toutes ses petites machines qui me font toujours rêver .

[@3ertin]

It's a matter of calibrating.

[@vaterturk9172]

The Behringer sounds the same 30 years later

[@user-ts3ki4mb9c]

awwwwww guess you never enjoyed it anyways

[@KostyaSkober]

why left right (((

[@Rhythmicons]

Vintage is warmer.

[@danielbouchard61]

On sent quand même assez vite que c'est pas pareil...

[@alexpiano2628]

is the the new arp 2600 or old version?

[@mikaelschloenzig9590]

By the look of the output on the side ,i guess it´s an original!Having a KArp and a BArp (Blue Marvin) my opinion is that KArp and originals sounds kind of softer ,round with a warmth in the sound.BArp is "sharper/hard" in the sound and envelopes ,they are both (very) good instruments ,but KArp invites to be played on a another level than BArp (imo).

[@alexpiano2628]

@@mikaelschloenzig9590 yes i hear the difference between the Barp and an arp. But just to know if when you put the price for have the new Karp it is similar to the original or if it's still not the same...

[@mikaelschloenzig9590]

@@alexpiano2628 If i get you right,you wondering if original 2600 and KArp are close "enough"?I would guess they are as close as you can get ,or is the question is it worth the difference between Barp and KArp in moneywise?If so......i would say KArp is money well spent ,it is a masterpiece and a dream to own and play ,BArp then?Good, but more like a common hifi product, with a (very) reasonable pricetag and made for the masses, fantastic piece but not so close to the original ,love them both!

[@anonymex22]

Behringer fait un travail remarquable a essayer de reproduire les synthés analogiques, d'autrefois, néanmoins l'original sonne bien mieux! Certainement pas l'exacte réplique aux niveaux composants.

[@mattstudio8556]

Très bon comparatif, merci Olivier 👍 !

[@cymonalex]

Nice video... The Behringer reverb is awful, but generally it isn't too bad? l

[@Biosynth]

These are very different, the Behringer spring reverb is less good I think but still interesting and usable

[@saren6538]

it isnt awful..its a mechanical spring

[@mikaelschloenzig9590]

@@saren6538 Isn´t awful.... but very different ,KArp and original i guess have longer springs which tend to keep the sound in the springs.On Behringer a long reverbtime leaves the sound off somewhere and at the end with only the "barrel effect" left (due to shorter springs?), not much of original sound hangs on long in the B 2600 springs......big difference in my ears and opinion (having them both).

[@saren6538]

@@mikaelschloenzig9590 ok.. so there you go you said both different nice to have both options then .. otherwise open the Mofo up and fit some bigger springs

[@payt01]

Is that a statement or a question?

[@detectionremoise566]

Du synthé qui sonne , surtout l'ARP 2600

[@henrikgerlach4765]

?

[@songologia]

between this two particular units , in this case original ARP gives littlebit more useful richness into sound and healthier unshifted harmonics frequency band quality , but it doesnt mean that you eventually with a bit of search luck couldnt find Behringer unit which could work properly .

[@oricatmos6453]

C'est très proche mais le behringer a moins de basse et a un son plus brillant.

[@relaxmax6808]

Obvious . ARP have SUB Basses . Beringher : The Medium

[@andrewverran3498]

arp 2600 Definately warmer, nothing a little eq couldn't fix imo.

[@schoovaertssimon7904]

I don't hear the same in my left and my right ear ( Auditive accident years ago), so this vid is totally useless to me :( please upload a mono version?

[@lottielee8359]

The ARP 2600 and the Korg 2600 win. Behringer = poor mans ARP.

[@Zacharie17]

One for each ear, nice idea.

[@alphabeets]

…except when you listen to it on an iPhone. The speakers are not the same so this GREATLY messes up the comparison.

[@SomeOne-pd6vm]

i have asymmetrical hearing so rip

[@gunjabeans]

most people have different curves to each ear. Play pink noise in a DAW and pan hard right and then hard left, for me it sounds a bit different and I bet it will for you as well.

[@gunjabeans]

@@alphabeets Using a phone speaker probably isn't the best way to analyze the sound.

[@BullyMaguire4ever]

To me, the Behringer sounds about as close as a soft synth emulation would. In the ball park and yet pretty far off still.

[@stefanoskollias]

Original sounds bigger and more saturated...

[@mick_hyde]

Same.

[@samiam9059]

Probably have Serge Synthesizer in there? Yikes...

[@joelizquierdo8624]

The Blue Marvin has more options. It’s two different beasts.

[@station2station544]

That’s not an ARP 2600. The Korg re-creation only roughly “resembles” a vintage Arp so this demonstration is moot.

[@thaneco]

Did you notice any difference?

[@courbesinus]

The problem when you are talking about sound is .. the sound ..! And there is properly no comment here 🙂

[@kulikgabor7624]

yeah. for eg the arp is in the left speaker while the behringer is in the right.

[@gabsauvage]

Not really level matched it seems... too bad, it's hard to tell the difference then

[@jsaulkane5893]

sounds like they are going through totally different circuits Im no B fan .... in the vid you can see the filters are set way differently.. the arp almost fully open and the B at halfway. this is a pointless comparison

[@vincewizz8534]

This needs to be set up by ear. Even 2 vintage units have different calibrations. You are sure that applying same slider positions will give very different results. You need to trust the tester. I have a 2600 FS and a Behringer Grey Meanie: they sound different. In any case if I want to match them as close as possible the slider positions will differ. That said I like both, even if their sounds will take me to different ideas (the Korg being much darker and thicker than the Behringer, thinner but yet very interesting, also with a few possibilities that are not on the OG).

[@jsaulkane5893]

@@vincewizz8534 do they sound the same to you..? there are a few other videos showing the two.. they are nothing like this..

[@jsaulkane5893]

like I said im no B fan.. but here is a more fair comparison.. the arp does sound better.. but kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnKxZqWOhtV9a6s

[@henrikgerlach4765]

@@vincewizz8534 I also have them both. Make a blind test and you'll see (hear l that the Behringer sounds phatter.

[@vincewizz8534]

@@henrikgerlach4765 I did as soon as I received it :) Maybe it’s a calibration thing. On my Korg FS I de-calibrated the linear gain early on. It was way too low.

[@clivemathieu9386]

Terrible demo