LHY Audio SW-10 Ethernet Switch Review

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@meindertsprang7491
@meindertsprang7491 10 ай бұрын
The only good thing of such a switch is that it fills the pockets of the manufacturer. It is technically impossible for a switch to influence the sound of a digital stream. Period. A switch transfers Ethernet frames: ones and zero's. As long as a switchs doesn't change bits (aka: cause data corruption), nothing is changed to the information and nothing is changed to the sound produced by the digital data. Clocking issues are non-existent as Ethernet signals are self-clocking and an Ethernet transceiver tolerates a fair amount of jitter. As long as this jitter doesn't result in a flipping bit, you won't hear it. It doesn't matter if a switch uses an ovenized crystal oscillator because no switch in the entire internet does, neither does your server. The only place were jitter matters is in your DAC. Not in the Ethernet inteface. The only reason such a switch sounds better than a TP-Link is simply because you paid way too much for it, so your brain makes you think it sounds better to justify the money spent.
@richardsaila8073
@richardsaila8073 8 ай бұрын
please repeat if it helps
@jft8994
@jft8994 Ай бұрын
Amen
@vit3494
@vit3494 Жыл бұрын
The most important equipment in audio that you cannot measure is a human being. You must remember that it was a review from his ears. And I believe him. I noticed the same track sounds different ... depending on the time, lights, mood... so maybe it was one of those moments... In highly automated and noisy industrial environment, much easier then music analog signals sometimes give false/not exact information but after a few scans it comes back to normal... where some devices give alarm but some just what they got... Only blind instant A-B test can help in this case but only if you are able to listen with high concentration at that moment for the above reasons. Scientists from comments must know this. If not, they are not quite scientists... but emotional humans. Everyone must remember that you give us what YOU hear as a Human. Thank you for great videos you make for us humans! =)
@softwireengineer
@softwireengineer Жыл бұрын
I am a great far/admirer of this reviewer. I bought a DAC (Gustard A26) based on his recommendation and really like it. As a EE/CS major and who has done network programming I am trying to see how this can make a difference. (Actually, I could change the sound a little bit in my system when I change the power supply to my switch (to which my server and Streaming/DAC is connected)). My guess is the switch is very "efficiently" (less errors/retransmission) delivering the data packets to the DAC. If the DAC has an "irregular" supply of data it probably interferes with the clocking out of the data to do the digital-analog conversion. It is also possible some noise is getting transmitted/generated during the data transmission/reception between the switch and the streamer/DAC. One person who could technically explain this better is probably Steve Nugent of Empirical Audio, from whose writings I learnt lots of digital audio technologies. I suggest people try better (linear) power supplies to their commercial non-audiophile switches and also possibly experiment with filters/galvanic isolators before spending more money on these rebuilt switches. Also, note, how Sandu uses proper footers on the devices to avoid physical vibration being transmitted to these electronic devices.
@johenkay1129
@johenkay1129 Жыл бұрын
I wonder how it compares to the etherregen.
@toddt5562
@toddt5562 Жыл бұрын
I was a switch skeptic myself until I recently added an LHY audio SW 8 to my setup. I was pleasantly surprised with the improvements, which were quite similar to those you described. One noteworthy improvement was in the low level ambient details and spatial cues... My system already had a very low noise floor, and actually it was a rather shockingly unexpected improvement. I'm not one that needs to know all the technical details of why something helps my system... If I'm hearing a substantial difference that's all I need to know to enjoy the improvements 😂
@michaelwright1602
@michaelwright1602 6 ай бұрын
Same experience here too... SW8 did kind of blew me away, in both audio, but most of all, streaming video. Well worth the price of entry.
@VoltLover00
@VoltLover00 Ай бұрын
There are no benefits. Ethernet interfaces have buffers, so jitter makes no difference. You're hearing things that don't exist.
@jft8994
@jft8994 Ай бұрын
@@VoltLover00 Placebo BS.
@richardsaila8073
@richardsaila8073 8 ай бұрын
When I set up my system with an LHY SW-6 I immediatly noticed that there was more bass. But this was only the first impression ... now I'm considering to add an SW-10 and connect it to the SW-10 over SFP fibre to get my system galvanic isolated from the router. Other people say that stacking at least two switches SQ even improves further. Let's try it.
@VoltLover00
@VoltLover00 Ай бұрын
Literally technically impossible
@jft8994
@jft8994 Ай бұрын
Placebo,
@1marcod
@1marcod Жыл бұрын
Hey there I was wondering what is the brand name of the stand you have your gear on ?
@Soundnews
@Soundnews Жыл бұрын
Hi mate, I'm glad you asked, this is the rack: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4mWZYKjeriMm9U
@orrman5
@orrman5 Жыл бұрын
What i2s cable do you use between the NET and WD Sig sandu?
@Soundnews
@Soundnews Жыл бұрын
Audioquest Diamond HDMI, I believe it was discontinued some time ago.
@orrman5
@orrman5 Жыл бұрын
@@Soundnews you should give the Tubulus Concentus V2 a try, it's a very good pairing with Rockna
@Flavius7
@Flavius7 Жыл бұрын
Don't care about switches, don't care about streaming, don't care about filters and timing.. BUT I DO CARE ABOUT THAT AMAZING SETUP. The beauty, the elegance, the level of engineering... CONGRATULATIONS!🎉🎉👍👍
@borschec4164
@borschec4164 10 ай бұрын
@soundnews Hi Sandu, if you still own an R26, would be great to hear from you how does it sound with the SW-10 using its clock feeding the dac and using the optical fiber as a source of the sw-10, which is what I am thinking on doing with my R26. One box for a fiber insulation+reclocking fn the lan signal and the dac at the same time, sounds like perfection on paper. thanks!
@EvgeniyRC
@EvgeniyRC Жыл бұрын
Great review. If you noticed my message in the chat feed under the review of Hi-Fi Men Aria Organic headphones with my advice to listen to this magnificent switch. I'm thrilled with how much the sound quality has improved on my desktop headphone listening system.
@VoltLover00
@VoltLover00 Ай бұрын
Literally technically impossible.
@johenkay1129
@johenkay1129 Жыл бұрын
Nice, I'm considering one of these.
@ilanspiro1645
@ilanspiro1645 10 ай бұрын
Hi Did maybe had the chance to compare it or even better, the sw6 with the newer gustard n18 pro? Thanks :)
@phantomplastics6582
@phantomplastics6582 9 ай бұрын
I have bought 3 of these and it transformed my system. Makes no logical sense but that's what happened. Game changer.
@VoltLover00
@VoltLover00 Ай бұрын
No, nothing changed. It's literally technically impossible for an Ethernet switch to change data.
@Philo1
@Philo1 Жыл бұрын
Multumim pentru bun content! O intrebare, daca se poate: clocku in sw 6 si sw 8, e de un nivel mai jos decat in 10 ? Mersi PS: Jcat NET card ar fi o alternativa la asa un switch, sau astea is 2 componente diferite ca functie ?
@Pete.across.the.street
@Pete.across.the.street Жыл бұрын
I use Meraki 220 switches that I got on eBay for $50. They have a rather high-end clock in them and I removed the SMPS and added LPS to them. Then I cascaded them via fiber which strips away a lot of the noise. It made a pretty big improvement in my system. I want to replace my switch closest to the streamer with this one and see if there are further improvements.
@net_news
@net_news Жыл бұрын
or use wifi and solve it altogether :D
@Pete.across.the.street
@Pete.across.the.street Жыл бұрын
@@net_news I wish. Doesn't sound as good for some reason.
@net_news
@net_news Жыл бұрын
@@Pete.across.the.street wifi6E is your friend
@Pete.across.the.street
@Pete.across.the.street Жыл бұрын
@@net_news interesting, I might just try it and see.
@Pete.across.the.street
@Pete.across.the.street Жыл бұрын
@@net_news looks like you would need a streamer that works with 6e. None are made at this time that I know of.
@yannick930
@yannick930 5 ай бұрын
Great 👍, I had the same problem when I reached a certain level of transparency with my digital devices. It exposes problems with power in the network. I started with linear power supply on switches and rooter. It was better and then I went to the audiophile switches, even better and to finish better Ethernet cables, mad scientist ultra etc... And more crazy is the fact that at the end the better is the quality of the power feeding the switch and the rooter, the lower the noise floor and the more real it sounds. I recommend to use the same power cord than the streamer and the same power distributor.
@michaelwright1602
@michaelwright1602 6 ай бұрын
Another alternative to the SW10 or SW8 is the Netgear GS108Ev3 switch, around $50 on Amazon. Alpha Audio did a network switch shootout, and the Netgear GS108Ev3 came in a close second to the SW8. Slap a 12v linear power supply on the GS108Ev3 and I think it easily matches, if not surpassed the SW8. I own both, and the power supply. The nice thing is, the Netgear switch is affordable, and easily returned if it does not do anything for you. I would recommend trying the Netgear switch on a TV streaming device, and then check your televisions video quality and compare with, and without the switch. My folks thought I bought a new TV after installing the Netgear switch. ;-)
@pfcompany885
@pfcompany885 Ай бұрын
Try Zyxel gs105b v3, it is also great sounding switch
@pfcompany885
@pfcompany885 Ай бұрын
My Netgear switch doesn't work with linear power supply😢
@michaelwright1602
@michaelwright1602 Ай бұрын
@@pfcompany885 I have mine connected to an LHY LPS, 12 volt. What is the voltage on your LPS?
@andreicatla924
@andreicatla924 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting that the differences were that big due to this switch, now I'm really curios to try one... BTW, nice Tshirt ;)
@carminedesanto6746
@carminedesanto6746 Жыл бұрын
I’m so out of this ..but not because I’m not interested..but my wifi is garbage ..6MPS at best..,so I think once I get better speed and service ..yup ..this is on my list . Great video!
@urbenkam
@urbenkam Жыл бұрын
I was contemplating between lhy ock 2 clock or this with gustard r26. Not sure which one to get.
@danieldion1662
@danieldion1662 Жыл бұрын
I added the ock 2 on the r26 and the difference is obvious, not subtile, I got taller soundstage and better clarity.
@urbenkam
@urbenkam Жыл бұрын
@@danieldion1662 are you using square wave n which bnc cable are you using?
@b00m3rh4nd_sol
@b00m3rh4nd_sol Жыл бұрын
I concur. The OCK2 was a big step up, but then I added an optical-to-RJ45 adapter with a LPS and wow did that make a nice improvement. I would imagine the SW10 is another step up from that... @@danieldion1662
@b00m3rh4nd_sol
@b00m3rh4nd_sol Жыл бұрын
IMHO the only reason to go for the OCK2 over the SW10 (other than price) is if you need to feed multiple DACs as the SW10 only has one output. But as an OCK2 owner, I am considering switching to the SW10. I suspect having the network and the DAC clocked to the same great 10MHz clock will be brilliant.
@urbenkam
@urbenkam Жыл бұрын
@@b00m3rh4nd_sol but you can only tell the difference if you try both?
@YTjuanchicod
@YTjuanchicod Жыл бұрын
Waiting the Rockna review!!
@riccitone
@riccitone Жыл бұрын
I was skeptical until I even changed from a CAT8 to a well made CAT6a ethernet cable (blue jeans ethernet cable), since the extra shielding on the CAT8 actually created some sort of skin effect that can influence the signal at the connection points (so I'd read). For the longest time, thought I was using a better solution, but wondered why everything sounded out of balance, even kind of out of phase. Enter the CAT6, and then WTF. Everything came together, sounded impactful, clear, natural, way more dynamic, transients for days, couldn't get out of my chair. My system is no slouch, I was wondering why things still didn't seem right? But eureka. Ordered just a regular netgear switch to see if that could even make a difference. If it does, I'll continue this counterintuitive madness to an LHY switch!
@AudriusN
@AudriusN 8 ай бұрын
Self terminated any Cat5e cord will work.
@sainaveenbali
@sainaveenbali Жыл бұрын
What if I use wifi?
@MsSpookykid
@MsSpookykid Жыл бұрын
Oh my god! Can please someone explain me, what a switch is and where it has to beizt in my system?! I always try to understand what that thing is. But I don’t get it. I have some Ethernet ports at my router and I use them. Would putting an additional item between my router and my streamer not just another thing for what exactly? What is the use of it?
@sanp.4763
@sanp.4763 Жыл бұрын
Admittedly it is hard to understand networking from physical layer to TCP/IP and application layer. Also Hard to understand the buffering effect in the DAC and the fact that the bit jitter is not what switches and router introduce but packet jitter . Also the equivalent “noise level” inTroduced that is way below the perception capabilities of human ear. Professional audio/video used in broadcast industries do not deal with the issues audiophiles are having … but they have protocols such as PTP and SyncE to deal with timing issues but primary concern is synchronization not “soundstage” or anything SQ related. So there is an excuse for people not knowing the reality but it becomes harder and harder to just accept this magical information and analysis.
@Pete.across.the.street
@Pete.across.the.street Жыл бұрын
Why would an audiophile have a need to understand it? Just plug it in and listen, doesn't matter how it works.
@sanp.4763
@sanp.4763 Жыл бұрын
That is the point. If you understand how it works you understand that what some hear is not really true. Then it only leaves room for placebo :)
@Pete.across.the.street
@Pete.across.the.street Жыл бұрын
@@sanp.4763 so unless you understand how everything works in your system, you can't hear a difference between components? What I hear, I don't really hear?That doesn't sound right to me.
@softwireengineer
@softwireengineer Жыл бұрын
Yes, sorry missed your post. As somebody who has used a Ethernet Network Analyzer to look at data packets to look at data packets flowing between a database server and application, I think it is some combination of electrical issues and packet arrival times that is causing some perceptible differences in the DAC output. Yes, professional equipment is probably built to better standards, not just parts quality (which is mainly what audiophile companies work with), better standards in terms of technology and network protocols
@HungryEatNow
@HungryEatNow Жыл бұрын
Holy Grail!
@dixieflatline1189
@dixieflatline1189 Жыл бұрын
What is this streaming you speak of 😅
@Soundnews
@Soundnews Жыл бұрын
no idea, you tell me
@robertobrandoli4462
@robertobrandoli4462 Жыл бұрын
A great review, many people don't believe that digital music can be influenced by ethernet switch but I fully true and is a very good step. I used the SOtM sNH-10 with external master clock, but after many test in the last couple of years I found a great good ethernet cable that I replaced the Audiophile ethernet switch with only this cable connected to my Internet Provider router. No more external box and cables, just 1 plus the ground connection of this.
@alexismasset
@alexismasset Жыл бұрын
Which cable?
@robertobrandoli4462
@robertobrandoli4462 Жыл бұрын
@@alexismasset Try with google " Faber's Cable ethernet Livello 3"
@Pete.across.the.street
@Pete.across.the.street Жыл бұрын
The people who don't believe it are the ones that haven't tried it.
@iikatinggangsengii2471
@iikatinggangsengii2471 Жыл бұрын
@@Pete.across.the.street well mine apparently covers both sides, but think its at retail range atm
@iikatinggangsengii2471
@iikatinggangsengii2471 Жыл бұрын
prob even worse, most are just guesses
@kurt120032002
@kurt120032002 Жыл бұрын
I do believe network components make a difference if are part of the chain, I just don't really understand why you include them in the chain to begin with. Why have a streamer in your hi-fi chain? Player with local storage out I2S/optical in to your DAC. You literally need 5-10k more in gear infrastructure just to use a streamer and renderer and network storage.
@ConorHanley
@ConorHanley 3 ай бұрын
Amazing, presumably LHY Audio knows how networking actually works and how 'audiophile' switches' can't do anything to audio being streamed over a network. It is nicely built so doubtless that goes down well but haven't looked up its price as I can guess it will be really annoying. Combined with peoples ability to convince themselves of almost anything regarding audio the reassuring expense, build and, of course, the amazing sound quality difference they will hear is all money well spent. Course if some rotter broke into the audiophiles house , replaced the insides of the switch with the cheapest switch possible that still worked the most golden ears of audiophiles would never notice anything. Perhaps they'd rumble it if they picked up the case and it felt lighter and , perhaps maybe, convince themselves all along they'd known something was wrong with the sound...
@BotraxDiaz
@BotraxDiaz 10 ай бұрын
Network switch does not affect timing when the streamer buffers the whole file, then it's played from streamer memory, not the network. If your DAC is affected by network cable, that's a bad DAC and you need to spend more than 20$ on a DAC. Put that 600$ into a good DAC that is well built instead of a network switch that does nothing. Look at some measurements that demonstrate how network switches cannot affect sound, done by an audiophile with audiophile equipment kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHmzqIOIgd13jcU
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@elbebe1000 Жыл бұрын
Just because they put Audio in the front of the item, we must to sell a kidney in order of buying it. That's ridiculer.
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@brucerosner3547
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I can't believe how many people sincerely believe this utter nonsense. Instead of listening to your streamer in real time just record the bit stream to a file. Then compare the file with the source - they will be identical. There are no audio clocks in Ethernet. While I can believe the quality of ADC converters and DACs affects audio, simply transferring bits, whether on Ethernet, WiFi, files, cellular networks or anything else can not.
@net_news
@net_news Жыл бұрын
Ethernet switches affecting the sound is complete and utter non-sense BUT this one is a beautiful device well built and not so pricey. I'd buy one only for the looks. Audio jewelry.
@Pete.across.the.street
@Pete.across.the.street Жыл бұрын
Which ones have you compared?
@net_news
@net_news Жыл бұрын
@@Pete.across.the.street well I'm a networking engineer I've been working with switches/routers/gateways for more than 25 years... so I think hundreds if not thousands of Ciscos, Junipers, Huawei, ecc
@Pete.across.the.street
@Pete.across.the.street Жыл бұрын
@@net_news so none of the hifi switches? all of those have been in your hifi system?
@hushpuppykl
@hushpuppykl Жыл бұрын
I’m not into audiophile network switches, the science says it should not make a difference. Supposedly a fact. I use a cheap d-link network switch. When I tested the Silent Angel Bonn N8, I was skeptical. Was there a difference? Yes. Mild but definitely audible. My friend who is an IT person also tested it. He was very surprised there is a difference. I still use my d-link network switch as I prefer to spend more on the main components first. Once that is done, I may look into network switches. If you bliv, 1s and 0s are all there is, then streaming transports SHOULD sound the same when paired with a common DAC BUT they don’t. The difference is too obvious. Difference in parameters such as clarity, detail and sibilant cannot be caused by psycho-acoustic. If one believes in psycho-acoustic that much then how does that person demo gear before a purchase? Do they conduct a double blind test? Naaaaaaah … they listen, they are happy and they pay for it.
@michaelrovner4165
@michaelrovner4165 10 ай бұрын
Unitl you try it , it doesn't make any sense...but low and behold it does..I'm a professional electronics engineer and I found it does make a significant improvement on my high end rig...
@tomas_m
@tomas_m Жыл бұрын
Holding an MSc degree in computer science and knowing more than little about networking, I can confidently say that every reference to timing you made here was utterly incorrect and gullible. Sure, keep claiming you hear improved noisefloor. Although any decent DAC& AMP from the past decade makes that irrelevant, whatever, plausible in theory. But there're in the neighborhood of 50 levels of separation between the signal timed and transmitted by a switch and the input of the software decoder of your encoded (!!!) music file you're streaming from wherever. That includes multiple HW buffers on both network interfaces, multiple layers of protocol encapsulation, parsing, error corrections, possible retransmissions, HW buses, OS queue, caches, registers... And we're not even handling the decoded PCM signal yet. Timing of what's transmitted over ethernet has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with audio. Period.
@Soundnews
@Soundnews Жыл бұрын
I was expecting such a comment and it's okay if you don't believe a single word I just said. I didn't believe in network switches myself and for more than two years I refused to use one. I'm not here to tell you what a switch is doing on the hardware or software levels, I don't have a degree in computer science, I'm here to tell you what it did to the sound in two of my systems. If you believe any of that is up to you to decide.
@Pete.across.the.street
@Pete.across.the.street Жыл бұрын
He was talking about the timing of the music, you are talking about the timing of the bits. I have found that switches like these strip away a lot of noise and improve my streaming sound quality greatly. ......if decent dac you mean $10,000+ dac then yeah, some of them.
@TheMatsushitaMan
@TheMatsushitaMan Жыл бұрын
@@Soundnews If a switch affects the sound, it's failing miserably at its job. It's a network switch, not an equaliser that works in the digital domain.
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Will my network printer print better with that s**t? Does it work for video or just audio, how it selects? I'll tell you a secret - Amazon, Google, Microsoft don't use nonsense like this in their datacenters, where streaming services host their data, nor do they use audiophool quality cables.
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