Honda Ridgeline Poor Running - Misfire Low Cylinder Contribution

Let's have a look at this 2007 Honda Ridgeline 3.5 that was brought into the shop with a "rough running" complaint. It is a low mileage engine (79k) so it should be interesting to see what we find.
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[@jdtractorman7445]

The flat rate tech at the Honda shop is probably bragging how he beat time to get this done but fails to admit he screwed this lady's engine over royally.

[@timothykeith1367]

@kwg2005 They won't buy cars from that dealer anymore and will tell their friends this sad story

[@v1antbo]

Bingo ! Flat rate shops should be outlawed

[@PackardBelltoll]

@kwg2005 Dealer techs are so unexperienced. They cant dianosis worth a damn. They will charge for thing u dont need . I was taught that in tech school . You diagnosis is the most important part of the job. Eric o is best tech Ive ever seen and really love this guy . He deserve an award jd power cause he is honest on his repairs.Im a tech an have always fixed every problem with proper diagnosis.

[@mcanderson3511]

@@PackardBelltoll That's a really unfair and unjustified generalization. Dealership techs overall, obviously have more experience on their brand than anybody else. There are always exceptions to the rule no matter where you look. Bad apples everywhere.

[@nealpurdy1202]

@@mcanderson3511 my brother took his vw cc in for new engine at less than 70k he bought used from non vw dealer didnt know about none timing issue or if it had been addressed. Dealer agreees to put new engine in for small fee of $1000. My bro pick it up and trans and manual trans /clutch makeing bearing noise... He leaves with dealer they make him buy new flywheel and when he picks it up it makes more noise. Yeah sure that dealer tech is a genious! That messed up his manual trans and blamed it on other parts made him spend more money and made things worse.... Trouble shooting and the ability to take stuff apart and put it back together with out breaking it is undervalued but in my book priceless

[@TheFrequentlyLost]

I'm not a mechanic by any means, but My Honda Ridgeline had a misfire in cylinder 5. I decided to change out all my spark plugs at the same time as changing out 5. Well 5 was a blow out and it needed to be rethreaded. I bought a rethreading kit, followed some videos and crossed my fingers. I couldn't find a way to get a good tap on the insert so I figured I'm not gonna push my luck and get it to a garage. They told me a I would need a whole new motor but I just didn't believe it. I came across your videos regarding removing the Head and getting it machined and so I took it to another shop. Guess what I didn't need a new motor, I told him what I learned from your videos and what I tried to do and I think he appreciated how much I understood and love my Truck. So I just wanted to say thanks for your help :)

[@stevehayes5419]

Bad cats caused your problem excessive pressure and heat melted the plug out of the head cause its clogged up

[@thekingsilverado9004]

Jax sometimes just WELDING a TAP into a SOCKET will get ya by on work like that and alot of times they sell an insert KIT with the TAP & the GOOP to glue it into a head and you are done outside of people not having enough commonsense they would keep blowing air into the cylinder and have commonsense to have the valves closed at the time they do the process to blow those little shavings back out the cylinder port... I had an Isuzu many years ago it was my favorite vehicle I swear to god it had a special extra powerful motor... I dropped it off at fire stone tire store for 2 new tires for the upcoming winter... It ran sour right after I picked it up and raised hell at the counter about it the very next day... By the time I got it home and the weekend is when found someone loosened up 2 spark plugs one was nearly blown out from combustion heat and stress due to my wife being a teacher.. I bought the kit with the tap at a Napa and now days when my vehicles are being worked on I stay there and make em get it done in front of me standing in the service bay watching em... If they tell me I can't be there and watch I tell em to give me my keys.... Most people when they pick up a vehicle from a service center like Fire Stone or a Jack Williams it's always at the end of your work day and theirs and if when ya got that problem it's a morning issue and you own the issues and the problems that go with it... Never ever take a good running car or truck and just drop it off you will be sorry... Many people will know what I mean with the truth I just offered y'all...

[@kevinkeim8228]

@@thekingsilverado9004 I'm a mechanic and if u wanted to watch me do my job that costs extra, actually double. If u have to watch them ur taking it car to idiots who don't know what there doing. The other is ur trying to get work done for nothing. Fixing cars right is not cheap. U get what u pay for. Guarantee your a cheap skate, buck up and open ur wallet and bring ur car to a pro. Will be a little more loot but u won't have those problems anymore.

[@fishhuntadventure]

Kevin Keim Actually he makes perfect sense. If you’re scared to be watched I wouldn’t take my vehicle to you. Then again I’ve done basically all my own work most of my life. The times I didn’t have been either disappointing or expensive - usually both. Eric O’s are rare. I stopped going to shops almost completely in 1994ish. Took a Chevy citation (60K miles) in for state inspection and exhaust. Drove in fine, came out with broken teeth in the steering gear (rack). I asked them to show me how they found out my rack was bad. They used a five-foot steel pinch bar to ‘test’ it.

[@Blackford86]

fishhuntadventure they use a break bar test your steering hum??

[@tomauger3874]

Finally, a shop that does an honest diagnosis. Makes me wish you were my local repair shop. Keep up the great work!

[@patsfast1980]

He IS getting paid for this time... at least 90 bucks an hour around here, judging by the traffic going by and decent equipment he is using... "honest diagnostics" ain't free...

[@TheOysterjam]

@@patsfast1980 i'm pretty sure this is a charity shop and he's doing it for free

[@MrFriendsfirst]

Most shops are okay, as they say, one bad apple spoils the whole bunch. Feel for the people who get bad apples.

[@taledarkside]

i think you mean "mechanic"

[@2488samantha]

Hey Im always hosent theres still some of us left 2 ya know

[@wcjcnc]

Finally someone that knows how to perform a leak down test. Almost every other video on youtube that shows a leak down test is wrong but this guy performed the test properly. Good to see someone that knows what the hell they're doing.

[@milfordcivic6755]

Now the real issue....to make the Honda service department pay for this repair.

[@scrimmy6969]

Maybe someone from Honda will watch Eric's video. I believe Eric did a video on a GM 1500 or 2500 and GM seen the video and paid for the repairs.

[@shahsmerdis]

Please see my comment above, but she should call honda Corp, get a case number, and ask them what they need from eric to document the proof. in any case if she paid by credit card, withhold payment until this is all cleared up... just my 2cents. In any case, She is in good hands with Eric O. now she.

[@radman999]

+Bardia Ghajari They will refer back to the involved dealer.

[@robinbanks5734]

I'm pretty sure that this video is evidence that she took her car in for routine maintenance and the dealership is responsible for damages. They will make her an offer she can't refuse and sweep it under the rug....

[@georgestrickland9278]

@Jeff Sol not all dealerships are bad,my chevy dealer saved me a lot of money by replacing a part in my instrument cluster on a 97 corvette when GM said the whole thing would have to be replaced,the air cond wouldnt turn on and they fixed it for 175 bucks as opossed to over 600

[@robertdavis6708]

Let me understand this right? The nice lady takes a perfectly running Ridgeline into an authorized Honda facility to do a 100,000 service. At 87,000 miles and running OK. And it runs worse after a service? Ding the Tech. for a bad timing mark alignment. It bent a valve, Id bet my season Bengal tickets on that one. If and when Eric O pulls the head, I'll buy cheeseburgers for everyone if that #4 piston doesn't have a hit on it. I'd hire a lawyer if the Dealership balked, and get a new engine as they asserted to the customer. This is BS at it's worst. It's a wonder why people are scared shitless to take their rides to dealerships.

[@paulsosa1872]

Robert Davis can't buy a new one if the one you have doesn't break down.

[@robert-bg9pf]

Took the word right out of my mouth! (We are both Roberts so maybe our brains are connected) and the fact that Eric has the ENTIRE thing on VIDEO, the vehicle owner should be contacting Honda American Headquarters ASAP. go right over the Dealers head. Send the video, along with a very detailed write up with all the findings and discovered damage, and give them the choice of either paying for parts and labor of a NEW (NOT USED) engine at the shop of her choice, OR, she will see them, and the dealership in court where she will be going for a whole new vehicle. If they laugh her off the phone, call up the local new station. Most local stations do a "7 on your side" kind of section where they investigate scams and such and try to get people the money back or work done properly that they deserve.

[@mikemichaels4500]

"I'd bet my season Bengal tickets on that one." So, if you lost the, the winner would get season Bengal tickets. Sounds like everyone would be a loser in that bet.

[@63256325N]

I'm another that agrees with what you said. Spot on. Gives good honest , hard working, conscientious mechanics a bad name.

[@evilcnil]

She took it in 20,000 miles early , that is kind of suspicious , like she had the problem before she took it in , and was hoping the service would fix it.

[@Mr92cadi]

I have learned so much watching your videos. my Co workers catch me watching and call it. .. You tube University. I take pride in what I do, and it's nice to follow someone else that does as well. thank you Eric O for that

[@ryanosman1142]

Same thing when it comes to knowledge for the fire service.

[@cosmicallyderived]

Man I always dig that upbeat spirit of yours mate, that's a real class act there. Makes watching the vids all the more enjoyable.

[@Esteb86]

Wish I had Eric, or a mechanic like Eric near me. The type you can take your vehicle to, and know you're going to get honesty, and solid work.

[@frankhoward7645]

Great, great, video. Always wondered what a leak down test was. Thanks for the lesson. Can't believe the dealer suggested that she scrap a motor with only 80K on it. I picked up a 10-year-old Odyssey EX-L for $500 because the P.O. messed up the timing trying to change the belt so I yanked off both heads and took them to my local head shop. Turned out that EVERY exhaust valve was bent! If the dealer messed up the timing, this Ridgeline might need complete valve jobs on both heads including replacing all 12 exhaust valves. When I finished the job, I put a bright yellow Gates sticker near the timing belt indicating that it had been changed. Took the van to the dealer for the Takada air bag recall where they informed me that despite the yellow sticker indicating that the belt had 8 miles on it, it was time for a new one. You see, they don't actually look under the hood, they just look at their computer and the computer had no record of a timing belt change.

[@spudth]

"I can't go home 'til I know what's wrong with it" OCD - I love it!

[@joeravinu3239]

So much commitment to figure out the problem, you're a real professional

[@MrJcardimen]

Another fantastic video. I really appreciate how methodical you were in diagnosing the exhaust valve leak. I'm hoping you get the job so we can see what caused the problem.

[@nikkolaus]

You got yourself a new subscriber! I can tell you love your job and your semi-serious and joking mixed behavior is perfect! Keep it up!

[@whozaskin3639]

New radiator at 80k? This whole thing smells bad.

[@algrayson8965]

How OLD is the radiator? Mine was just over 10 years old @ 205,000 miles when the top tank SPLIT. The leak was so large that the coolant all blew out in seconds. SO. The thermometer sensor, having no overheated coolant circulation, didn't show any temperature rise. Engine overheated in no time at all. Aluminum block and heads: we know what happens to aluminum engines when they overheat. Blown head gasket(s), warped head(s), warped valves, more bad bad. Since internal repairs to sidewinder V6s mean engine removal, and engine removal means lowering the entire front subframe from the unibody, if I'm going to spend nearly $2,000 on labor, I'm going to put a fresh engine in.

[@raydavies6236]

The Ford dealer told my sister she needed a new radiator at 80k. She passed. At 190k miles it was still fine.

[@dougboivin3450]

Ridgelines have a known radiator issue. The lower transmission cooler connector corrodes and if not caught, the transmission fluid gets contaminated with coolant. Google Ridgline SMOD. Ask me how I know.

[@dsrpilot]

I suspect my son has SMOD now in his 2014 @108k. Trying to figure it out now. Bypass the transmission cooler or get a new radiator early in the gen 1 ridgeline.

[@donniev8181]

Yeah it's like the tech fired it up without antifreeze after servicing the car and it effed everything up. There's no way a 80k mile Honda needs a new radiator and single new coil

[@richardbambenek2601]

Dang Eric you have me so hooked I'm watching reruns. Great channel. You are a real stand up guy, very honest and a champion for the consumer.

[@AncapistanVan]

You guys are one of my favorite channels, I love how you go in depth explaining the complaint, cause, and cure. I always learn something new. Great videos, ty

[@darrenmcquade215]

Just had my Ridgeline fixed of a similar problem, Truck ran fine, no codes, But could hear a miss at the rear of the vehicle (tail pipe); like you said, putt, putt, putt. Tried Seafoam cleaners in the intake, oil and gas in case it was the carbon buildup you found. Then changed plugs and coil packs. Took a compression reading of cylinders and there wasnt a big difference between the cylinders. Finally broke down and took it to my Honda Dealer for a computer test. They found a couple of misfire codes, and a pcv code. They suggested it was the valve lash that needed adjusted, and found a bad hose on pvc system. Said they have seen it lots of times and if adjusted it should fix the problem. Since I had 100,000km and 10years on timing belt decided to do the whole job (timing belt, tensioner, valve lash adjustment) Now she runs like normal and no miss. He said valves were extremely tight, and in dire need of adjustment. Love your videos by the way.

[@brandonfriesen5389]

If I were that lady, I'd be showing the service manager this video and demanding full replacement cost of an engine and of my misdiagnosed spark plugs and a coil. Unbelievable...And if they won't play ball, I'd bombard their Google+ profile with friends' and families' negative reviews. Dealers depend heavily on this review since it's what makes them show up on certain items when you google something, so a poor average review, turns people away. I've had it where I posted a negative review of an experience at an RV dealer when I brought mine in to be repaired and they fouled it up, they replaced my trailer with a model year newer for no charge. That's the way it should be done.

[@grzegorz16100]

Wow. You must have a lot of friends;)

[@grzegorz16100]

We still don't know if that was a dealer fault! Did you watch the whole video?

[@hi-friaudioman]

Funny reading this now as Google+ is dead. Lol

[@LAactor]

@@grzegorz16100 Social media influencers have lots of "friends"

[@consaka1]

Show me a dealer that cares about their reviews. Around here they all have bad reviews except for the ones they pay to have put up.

[@serafinnieves9247]

I'm very please that great mechanic like you exist and that are honest with great ethical mannerism.Thanks bro.

[@dylanstassen1058]

As a Honda tech I knew what you were going to find based on the symptoms. Unfortunately there are some shady tech out there. Check timing marks twice and never have to replace valves..

[@Rextrent]

Lesson from this excellent vid: Buy something other than a Honda. I was fortunate enough to own an '84 CRX. That was a beauty little racer until the plastic clips started wearing and one day I observed my "rear bumper" in the street through the rear view mirror. I hadn't banged into anything, but someone must have hit me and upset the delicate connector clip that held the bumper facade in place. After that it was more bad news. I couldn't even find the thermostat and had to pay a garage to do a job I should have been able to do myself. Now I drive a Dodge truck, no great shakes, but it is not a Honda. Thanks for the fine videos.

[@int53185]

Darn newbie tech came to work after a rough one and saw double dots on the cams.

[@rickdacosta9727]

I have to respect a man who is willing to work on TPI anything.

[@socksincrocks4421]

34:03 Scott Kilmer? LOL Excellent

[@bigbosscaos3923]

Blow up your engines!

[@williamta9408]

Scotty would say, this is why you should never buy a honda....

[@garybonz]

Yup, caught that too, lol

[@js4187]

@@williamta9408 Scottys shitting on Toyotas currently . Depends on which way the winds blowing

[@gregoryfreeman9073]

Heres why you dont take it to the dealership..

[@SilverDollarSaloon]

I guessed this one correct.Your the best auto repair man that I have seen on KZbin. Keep up the good work.Even a Mechanic like me can learn from your video's You have a wonderful Family that anyone would be proud of.I wish you were in my location I would send work to your shop.. You must have more work than you can handle.Honest good working Mechanics get the word of mouth spread out like Gossip in Sunday School

[@andrewsimone6574]

Great video! I used to get all my service at the dealer because i couldn't find a trustworthy mechanic but, it seems things have turned completely. Now the dealer is the scam artist and charging through the nose for it too. Awesome video great camera work too.

[@jockodog2009]

I'm addicted to your video library. Thanks!

[@cratecruncher6687]

Oscilloscope, compression test, leak down test, even a smoke machine. Dude that was a righteous diagnostics video! From one bipod to another, I like your sense of humor too.The next question to be answered: does that #4 crown have a recent strike from the exhaust valve? Subscribed.

[@TSX52]

It takes high: energy , integrity and intelligence to deliver the quality of work that Dr. O provides. Perhaps in the future, there will be a chain of SMA shops across the states. :-)

[@av8tore71]

Eric it's a real shame that dealerships take advantage of people especially if they don't know about mechanics. My dad was always taken advantage of on both his car and airplane. This was the reason why I got my airframe/powerplant rating. Now since I have my inspection authorization I can sign off my own work in the log books which makes it easier.

[@ryanosman1142]

I just spent the last 4hours watching your videos!! I'm a plumber by trade but have learned a lot about cars from you, cleetus McFarland, and chris fix

[@rrmech11]

Eric I really enjoyed this video. Your the best. I have had all my friends subscribe to SMA

[@jabsage155]

Sur you're a good honest mechanic rare these days

[@SHADOWBLACKs650]

The dealer owes her an engine that's a bad timing job when they did the timing chain

[@dreamer2355]

This vehicle has a timing belt, not a timing chain

[@brandonneil8954]

+dreamer2355 i hate when stealerships do that to people.

[@kh155]

Honda recommends a timing belt service on this model at 60k if you tow, or live in a climate that can reach 0 or 110 degrees. I can tell you from living in Connecticut that salty road conditions and cold temps most of the year can really decrease the lifespan of belts. Even if you are under the recommended milage it is suggested that you change your timing belt every 10 years to make up for that fact that the rubber degrades over time, and with this Ridgeline being at 07 it was close enough.

[@stevehayes5419]

Belt is due at 7 years i dont care if it has 15000 miles

[@GGigabiteM]

Why an engine? Pull the head and see how much damage there is. I've seen plenty of engines which have swallowed valves be repairable with new valves and sometimes a new head if the valve seats are messed up. A few chatter marks in the top of the piston isn't the end of the world, just polish them down to prevent a hot spot that would cause pre-ignition.

[@dudndadn12212]

Best most honest repair guy. Wish you lived closer to me.

[@davidtyndall8880]

The loose strings on the bill of your cap are killing me... LOL

[@surfside75]

Take a lighter to them😁🍻

[@maniata8869]

From Canada: I like the your diagnosis method, explanation on tools you used in enough details that viewer like me who has never seen or used those tools understand how the tool works. I have watched hours and hours of your videos and I feel like I just gained years of working experiences under the car. Like you said.. “if I can do it, You can do it” ...that said... I will do more mechanical work on my car myself. Buying the right tools for the job and start working. One thing I would do difference simply because I can where I live is to buy only OEM parts. I had good and bad experience with after market parts and the fact is, if I service the car myself, I should be able to afford to buy genuine parts. As for future video wish. If you or your business partner happen to work on AC system, like replacing AC compressor, changing condenser, etc.. take a video. Thank you for posting on you tube.

[@Chris_905]

absolutely luv your channel and work you do , great content cheers .

[@jeffbrown3963]

This is why an old man still works on his own vehicles. Just requires a few extra ibuprofens. Great job diagnosing, as always with Eric O.!!!

[@zoidberg444]

Man. I feel so bad for that lady. Question is did the dealership damage it or was it just a weak valve or manufacturing issue with the engine. Interesting stuff Eric. Thanks for taking the time to record.

[@12volttech5]

Top notch diagnosis! Eric you definitely redeemed yourself after the Chevrolet Cobalt - No Crank No Start Stalling - Bizarre mystery fix.

[@arthurfricchione8119]

Excellent troubleshooting

[@erie910]

It always amazes me that he remembers where all the parts that he removed go back.

[@tumarbongrox6074]

That's an *🔻INTERFERENCE🔺* engine. If the dealer didn't set the timing belt *exactly* right then THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM!!! ➖"bent valve"➖ I have my Ridgeline at the dealer for a timing belt service with 168,000 miles. *HOPEFULLY* MINE WILL BE OK❗

[@richard1835]

I have had a couple of customers that would never take their vehicle to the dealership (stealership) again. Thank you for another great diagnostic video. Thumbs Up

[@Drmcunningham]

I really enjoyed this video and I look forward to hopefully seeing the repair. Something about this diagnosis just resonated with me. Great job both mechanically and video.

[@jamiesaunder611]

Yes it's hard to find honest mechanic really like what you're doing

[@tam1381]

Eric i dont like to say it BUT incorrect fitting of the timing belt looks like to me. Not a high mileage for a Honda and normally you would'nt expect a failure like that. However lets give the previuos person the benifit of the doubt. Main dealer repair sounds bad. I am dying to see what behind the timing cover. Nice job.

[@kh155]

I agree! I feel for the owner of this poor car, you can tell by the fact that she only brought the vehicle to the dealer for service that she cared for this car and at a reasonably low milage their is no reason why this Honda should need an engine. I know you should never assume anything but I would put my money on a dealer tech screwing up and then trying to cover his tracks, instead of manning up and admitting his mistake! The timing (no pun intended) is just too suspicious as all this occurred after a timing belt, none the less another great vid by Eric and the squad over at SMA!

[@prolifeunity]

Outstanding diagnosis! What a bear that one was to hunt down. I learned so much in 37 minutes. Time well spent! Sub. 👍

[@neutrodyne]

In the old days, we would have simply done a compression check on each cylinder. No expensive hi-tech equipment.

[@RickysHP]

A leakdown tester and smoke machine is high-tech?

[@neutrodyne]

@@RickysHP I was referring to step 1 having to use a $1000.00 plus code reader to help diagnose the problem.

[@RickysHP]

@@neutrodyne yeah, I really don't think that step was all that necessary in this diagnosis.

[@wcjcnc]

Too may people think the dealership is the greatest place on earth and their mechanics are highly trained miracle workers. I know several mechanics that have the certificates that show how highly trained they are but they just don't seem to have the touch of a real experienced mechanic. Nothing beats experience. The best mechanics I now grew up in a shop and continued learning and upgrading their skills.

[@steventenney8797]

exhaust vales probably touched when timing belt was off causing the vales to slightly bend

[@morrisontimothy227]

When you take the timing belt off if you turn the cam all the valve close so shouldnt bend valves that way. Had to have started with marks off. Also some of the motors have piston ring problems

[@pod9363]

These long form repair videos are like detective movies!

[@lustfulvengance]

Finally!! I have been waiting for this forever! Also awesome use of the smoke machine!

[@buddybarker8511]

My coworker took a civic into a honda shop for a new radiator in January and had it go low on antifreeze in 2 days. One quick inspection found the "new" radiator was covered with dead bugs .i.e. the rad was never changed, they poured in bars leak and billed him the full amount. The shop lost a service tech and a lot of customers that day

[@mikesaldana4237]

honda should replace that bent valve it was definitely bent during timing belt service

[@GlycerinZ]

Absoultely

[@doug184]

Mike Saldana that's how they lined the timing belt up, what's wrong with that LOL

[@cswann8]

More than likely they didn't manually rotate the crankshaft to feel for resistance. This is SOP for a timing kit job. If you put a wrench on the crankshaft and do a full 720 degrees of rotation all the cylinders/valves will go through their entire range of motion. If at any point in this test you suddenly feel resistance...you know a valve is contacting a piston and you've messed up somewhere and need to back out and start from scratch on getting everything aligned correctly. The Honda dealers service center put on the timing kit and whatever else, bolted everything up and sent the customer on her way. The damage happened before the car even left the bay I'm guessing.

[@algrayson8965]

@@cswann8- Piston-to-valve contact results in bent valve(s) within the first two rotations of the crankshaft. VVT may conceal soon-to-be bent valve(s) until the RPMs go up to running speed.

[@benburg436]

Right, it did not happen in a running state or it would have bent all on that cam

[@emilypollock7099]

I watch your videos with the playback speed at 1.75 and i can still understand you perfectly

[@jackburner8107]

gotta love dealships......they hung all those parts.....then said ya need an engine......wow.....

[@paulsosa1872]

jackburner8107 Can you imagine getting the bad news from the dealer. Then they walk you over to a sales person to buy a new Honda

[@DaddytechEnt]

*i LOVE these trucks. HIGHLY unusual for a Honda with this few miles to have that big of a problem already. even with the vtec*

[@cswann8]

1:20 "Lady, you need to spend $5000 on a new engine"...to which you should reply "based on what information?"

[@natewilliams3211]

And talk to my lawyer.

[@mariofollowerofjesus8068]

It is nice to know you are an honest mechanic God bless you

[@johnsmith-sw7ii]

Good one Eric Hmmmmm lets see....car goes into dealership for service....service performed....customer says something seems wrong....goes back in...more service done....customer still thinks theres a problem....back again....dealer says..."Heres your problem lady...YOU NEED A NEW ENGINE!!!" WOW...First of all no warranty????? AND its obvious that the dealership caused this problem. Maybe the lady should tell the dealership that she brought it to you for repair and that you are sworn to discover what they did for all on KZbin to see. Oh, and by the way...Lets mention that dealerships name and location so all of us watching can rush there for some of their great service.

[@Drmcunningham]

I loved it. It’s like the game I played as a teenager called “Clue”. Instead of the butler in the library with a lead pipe, we had smoke in the exhaust by a damaged valve. Good job Sherlock!

[@wetlettuce4768]

34:01 Good to see Scotty is watching over you :)

[@cgsound]

You are just like a good friend of mine with troubleshooting he could be on a car no one else could fix especially dealers and fix them the first time he worked on it. keep up the great work

[@dyizhere]

That's a shame that she took the vehicle in for a timing belt 30k miles prior to the recommended interval and they went and trashed it. That is plain and simple negligence on their part. I'd complain until they fixed it. Take it up the chain as high as it needs to go.

[@sevo12t]

Good job love how you talk in the video as if you and I are there working on the truck👍

[@johnaclark1]

Too bad you didn't drop your borescope down in the hole. Would be nice to know before pulling the head if the valve hit the piston or not. If the valve and piston touched there's only one scenario that would explain that. Then the lady would have some evidence to take back to the Honda dealer.

[@johnaclark1]

And....it's about time you posted this! Been waiting for it! I recognize the Corvette in the background from several months ago.

[@100SteveB]

Exactly my thoughts - "hey Honda dealer", "how come i have a valve shaped dent in the top of my piston?"

[@bartz118]

Maybe he did, but didn't want to put it on camera? Didn't want to get into some sort of lawsuit.

[@chrisfreemesser5707]

Maybe he had to wait until any "action" (legal or otherwise) between the truck's owner and the dealership was completed before he could post the video. I was also thinking about a camera down the spark plug hole to look for damage on the piston. Sure sounds like they screwed up the timing belt change.

[@denverdanoreno]

@@chrisfreemesser5707 ...I know this is an old post but your extremely intuitive on legality aspect...I won't continue my rant on the legal system, it would diminish the essence of the vlog !

[@rudyM45]

Mr. Eric O. After watching your video three times I took the initiatives to do my Honda Odyssey 2010. Just run it right now and do road test and it's OK. Many thanks to you and keep those videos coming.

[@AnhYeuEmMaiMai69]

posted your video to Honda's Facebook page

[@ibringyoutoruin]

fuck yeah that's shady business if a Honda tech did mess up that poor lady's timing

[@jarrod8914]

Should find out the exact dealership and post video to the google review with a one star rating. She would probably get it taken care of.

[@joelcr250]

oooooh snap

[@AnhYeuEmMaiMai69]

I told them to call South Main for the details... Honda J series are pretty much indestructible and should go half a million miles if maintained.. this guy has a TSX and that is a K series and it has 500K on the original engine tsxtravels.com/

[@Sandbag1300]

Link?

[@robertheinkel6225]

At 95,000 my Odyssey started missing. I took it to my dealer, and was diagnosed with needing new rings, covered under warranty. While the engine was completely apart, I decided to have them replace the timing belt. The belt was already removed as part of the repair. My dealer charged me $1500 to install a belt already removed. Four of the plugs were fouled and covered, but I had the other two replaced, at a cost of $200. When I complained, they stated that was the flat rate charge. Basically the mechanic was paid twice for doing the same job. The issue was caused by the ring gaps rotating, and lining up the gaps. Only happened on certain 2012 Odysseys.

[@billrimmer5596]

After he bent the valve, he took the valve cover off and readjusted the valve.

[@AnhYeuEmMaiMai69]

+ 1

[@opl500]

I looked it up - that engine is an interference design and it has a timing belt. My guess is they screwed up putting the timing belt on right and there could be more than just one valve "boogered up" as Eric O likes to say. At the very least both heads need to come off and all the pistons and valves need to be inspected, in my nontechnical opinion. And like the stealership told the lady, it may need a new engine. I would be royally pissed at that stealership in any case. I'd ax ETCG - he was supposedly born in a Honda and was working on Hondas since he was a baby as to what he'd do with this particular engine.

[@dozza202]

+opl500 its up to the customer, they are not made out of money

[@opl500]

Random Guy I hear ya.

[@Ka7wyf]

what? it had the problem in the first place. just went in for a timing belt. he did'nt bend shit old man. did u not watch vid? the techs at honda did. there is good techs and bad. in every brand of engines/cars,i think this guy is a good mechanic. my opinion. but wow. and now you can eat crow with his new vid u pos.

[@12voltvids]

I had a similar experience with a 98 Ford exploder. Took it to a shop to have a tune up. Mechanic said it needed plugs as it had 90,000 miles. After getting my truck back it ran ok for a few weeks and then far worse. Check engine light on. Took it back, he reset it. Light on again, he reset it again. Again light on. This continues back and forth for over a month. Took to another shop, what they found was he stripped the spark plug removing it, ran a tap down to tap new threads and then put in a collar to fit the replacement plug. He dropped shavings into the cylinder head which got between piston and cylinder wall and gouged big grooved in it destroying engine. They stuck a inspection endoscope into the spark plug hole to look inside and found the piston and cylinder was fubar. Returned with pictures to original shop. Found that literally over night it was under new ownership, and the new owner basically threw me off his lot. The only offer I got from the new owner was a "discount on an engine rebuild" and he was only doing this as a good will offer. Drove to the closest dealer and traded it in.

[@dekoldrick]

34:03 Scotty Kilmer with a chain saw. That is scary XD

[@charlestredway8253]

I really was fascinated watching him trouble shoot the engine. It was very interesting and educational for me because Im looking forward to owning a 2021 Honda Ridgeline.

[@satamanschmidt3428]

Where's the $25 endoscope that you showed in one of your videos. Might be time to see if the valves paid a visit to the piston.

[@georgem.323]

I was thinking the same thing to see if there is damage to the piston and if a piece was missing or misaligned on the vale. That cam would have helped potentially save me a ton of money when I had to have my Suzuki aerio into Firestone. They charged all together $2366 to get the head machined and replace a coil and spark plugs. Had I had the camera Eric showed I might have been able to try and scrape the piece of spark plug tang off the head and been done with it after using a magnet to fish it out. Small car dealer I went to get the Suzuki from used damaged spark plugs or the previous owner did. One heck of an expense.

[@DarkLinkAD]

@@georgem.323 Nice lookin little cars. Timing chain or timing belt?

[@georgem.323]

@@DarkLinkAD Suzuki Aerio uses chain

[@DarkLinkAD]

@@georgem.323 Its an underdog reliable car right?

[@georgem.323]

@@DarkLinkAD If someone hadn't been monkeying around with Electrical and replacing parts without using proper judgement and reefing on bolts to the point of stripping the heads off to where you need to use a jewelers grinding disc to take them off because nothing else will fit and it didn't have additional issues it would have been an awesome car. I no longer own it. The car would go through mass airflow sensors, O2 sensors, and I think I may have the idea of the main problem after I sold the car but I couldn't afford to keep throwing parts at it and the shops here were no help at all. I discovered on a trip over the mountains you couldn't get over 35 to 40 miles per hour at high altitude. I am pretty sure the camshaft position sensor which replaced the distributor with the coil on plug design was bad. But without the knowledge and specs to confirm it I gave up and sold the car when it was in good running state. With new O2 and MAF it generally gets about a year or two before it does it again. The cam sensor didn't occur to me till after the sale of the vehicle but had no way to contact the new owner to let them know they may need to have it looked at.

[@dreamer2355]

Most of these JA engines have a rubber cap in the timing cover that give a visual access to the cam gear which is numbered 1 through 6. If you rotate the engine and line the marks on the cover with the number on the cam gear, that will be TDC for that cylinder.

[@opl500]

timing belt. interference engine...

[@justinp8946]

Hmmm

[@Jon.Rushing]

Not all engines with timing belts are interference.

[@opl500]

Nope, but it's a special kind of engineering retarded when you see those two things together. And guess what that Ridgeline has? An interference engine, with a timing belt. Doesn't help that the stealership she was using wasn't up to the task of replacing that timing belt. It isn't like they aren't supposed to know about all the quirks on Hondas...

[@nodak81]

In a way I would say it's Honda's fault for designing such a stupid timing system. Having a rubber belt be the only thing keeping your engine from catastrophically failing, is truly retarded.

[@animalcorvair]

@@opl500 they make good 4s that about it...

[@r1eaterr]

Sad thing is she could’ve drove it another 100k without issue but chose to be proactive. Way to go wyotech grad. Love your channel wildman.

[@bitchenbob5810]

Hello. glad you do lots of talking!!! I even talk back lol

[@Keepone11]

I barely found your channel not long ago n got dam your the GOAT when it comes to any car lol props

[@Zslowzr1]

And this just verifies for about the one millionth time the work you get at the dealer when you pay top dollar.

[@robertkurtz3332]

My experience is that I pay MORE at the dealer but they know the car better than a private mechanic...makes perfect sense..but this video shows anything is possible..good job Eric...as usual...

[@hordeloverzippie254]

never take it to a dealer,they will over charge you.

[@michaellindsey31]

AGREE

[@paulgallagher3122]

I have been watching quite a few of your videos. There are probably a lot of people in your area who are eternally grateful that you have your shop. Sure wish you would set up camp in South Carolina.....

[@jptrainor]

The lady could have given a call to Honda corporate. I've had four Honda's from new. The dealer service experiences are generally good - but then again, that's usually nothing more than simple regular maintenance because they rarely have problems. There's been a few occasions where I've felt the need to go around the dealer and talk to Honda corporate. I was always satisfied with the end result. In one case a $5000 dealer quote for new transmission turned into a free used transmission from Honda corporate and $1500 install bill from dealer. In another case a dealer refusal to do a repair under warranty was turned around. And my favorite - I called Honda's customer support to explain to them that if the @#$%^#@ XM radio people ever contact me again to try to sell me a satellite radio subscription then I am never buying another Honda again since it must have been Honda who gave XM my contact info to begin with... and amazingly, I never heard from the XM radio people again!

[@denverdanoreno]

Jim Trainor, Who say's bitch'in and complaining doesn't pay out sometimes...thx for the share.

[@jcman240]

You sound like a real pleasure to do business with

[@1013redoak]

Eric you are way to kind to the Dealerships! Most of them are crooks and a ripoff! Thank goodness for your honesty! You should call out dishonesty and poor service when you see it!

[@CHIBA280CRV]

😵OFF WITH ITS HEAD!!!!

[@mikevonkleist6767]

My friend, what I do is hold my hand over the exhaust tailpipe and feel pressure. Bingo. I've diagnosed leaking exhaust valves many times doing this. One of my favorite tools is the very one you demonstrated. The leak down tester.

[@Joe78751]

Thanks! Love the way you know the engine inside-out, despite not being a ridgeline specialist. I was going to go with a ridgeline for my next buy, but think I'll wait, maybe an electric vehicle.

[@stephenarling1667]

The vehicle was not the problem. It was the incompetent service at the dealer, which damaged the engine. I want to know if the dealer fessed up and repaired or replaced the damaged engine.

[@TJD293]

One tooth off will usually bend exhaust valves on these 3.5L.. Set back in time will run but with your scenario.

[@MrAnthonyfym]

it would be across the entire bank not just 1 cyl

[@AnhYeuEmMaiMai69]

not necessarily.... I have seen a few where only 1 cylinder is damaged...

[@opl500]

So the engine can be saved?

[@andrewvillanueva4222]

Wow that sucks for the lady and she took it to the dealer for maintenance. Awesome job best videos on KZbin by master mechanic!!!

[@Mrdubomb]

Its been my experience dong leakdown tests that the air always goes out to the companion cylinder through the valves, not all the way through the intake or exhaust system, regardless, She needs to talk to a lawyer.

[@toddbirge2800]

I work for a dealership ans sometimes I get very frustrated at the techs that I work with,becuase they don't take there time to diagnose the issue.they are more worried about getting them in and out to make more money.i would love to work at a shp like yours that the first mission is to take care of the customer,and to be honest about it.wow thank you for taking care of your customers

[@MidwestMotoRider]

Great diagnostics on that when you said part 2 I was going to scream. lol but then you said naw so all is good. :)

[@kens97sto171]

Dealerships are a total rip-off. people think because it's an official dealer that they're going to get more competent mechanics. I have not found that to be the case. My mother had a 2006 Scion, always took it to the dealer for service. And generally had good results. The car developed a random misfire on cylinder 1. She took it into the dealer and they told her it needed a new ignition coil. They told her that was going to cost $600. She very intelligently asked me whether I thought that was a appropriate price and I about fell off my chair. I called the local parts supplier and have them price a denso original equipment ignition coil. The thing list for 60 bucks. And it takes all of 30 seconds to change it. Literally right on the top of the engine after you pull the cover off. I being more thorough than the dealership decided to do some actual diagnosis. And I moved the questionable ignition coil from cylinder 1 too cylinder 2. the misfire stayed on cylinder 1 eliminating the coil being the culprit. It ended up being a bad fuel injector. That same fuel injector had at one point had an o-ring failure that Toyota worked on and replaced. I suspect they screwed up the injector when they did that job damaging it somehow. Regardless I bought a new fuel injector and had it replaced in about an hour and had her on her way. From then on she always called me when she needed work done. And if I couldn't do it I would take it to a known reputable service center that I had had good service from myself.

[@frankgonzalez24]

A good dealership will own up to their mistakes.

[@heyitschinoable]

Exactly

[@alvinnagra9695]

no they wont

[@juliotorres512]

I learned my lesson!! When you adjust the valves on those Honda v-6s you adjust them on looser tolerance! Because I have adjusted them on the lower tolerance and I wound up with cylinder Miss fire on low rpm!!

[@aradam29781]

Same thing happened same cylinder number 5 on my 08 Odyssey about 5k after timing and water pump service, dealer told me nothing wrong with engine but always had a misfire code on cylinder number 5 fought with dealer for 4 months I changed plugs, coils, intake gaskets nothing fixed misfire, so took to another Honda dealer and their 25 yr Master Tech called me told me very very common issue on 3.5 v6 in Pilots, Accords, Ridgeline, Odyssey, and Crosstour after timing service valves must be adjusted loose he told me after new timing belt is installed it strains the cam bearings and make valves to tight and number 5 is the weak point and there is a TSB somewhere on it. Tech told me it cant be heard til its to late and showed me a list of over 20 other cars that had timing service done in last 6 to 12 months by the other dealer all came in for same issues. He told me all Honda dealers are suppose to do Valve adjustment at time of Timing belt service starting in 2015. But my normal dealer when i asked them about valve adjustment they told me we only adjust if noise is present, My 99 Honda CRV I adjust valves every 30k got over 200k on it not a single problem yet.

[@12vgs8606]

I would request more documentation than that! I would trust either of the Honda dealer as far as I can throw them. I think you were fed some bovine excrement wrapped in techno jumbo.

[@harveysmith100]

Thanks Adam, really good information

[@Mrdubomb]

Valve adjustment for hondas are needed for tight lash, as the valve pounds into the seat over time the clearance is reduced at the top, they never get loose, only tighter.