Soviets had Best Sniper Rifle, and they stopped making it! But Why?

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

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[@CelticCult]

great shoots, wich ammo do you use it?

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Seller and Bellot 174gr

[@romanfedotov1152]

Old Mosin rifle had a big flaw, its wasnt reliable enough. dont know how to say in english(just use google translator); Затвор винтовки расшатывался при эксплуатации в боевых условиях это влияло на точность оружия а также на качество перезарядки(его могло заклинить)

[@YuUi-co4fe]

​@@VintageRiflesShootersClubbro, just speak Russian. U can add subtitles later. It looks like tongue twisters when u talk in English, sorry for the joke though.

[@greypawn7780]

this is the best accuracy performance i've ever seen .. 500 m without touching the scope .. and the last shot to 750 was unbelievable .. stunning sniper configuration, thanks for sharing this

[@matttodd5049]

He adjusted at 350.

[@milospejovic7873]

Becous of extrime long barel

[@cile_youtube]

A truly perfect presentation of one of the best snipers of World War II. The accuracy of this weapon after so many years is amazing, but it must be emphasized that the guy who shot from this beautiful piece of history also contributed! 👍👍👍

[@detroit313vlogs7]

What a rifle. 1940? What a piece of art

[@ivanmiloshevich4822]

Ее создали в 1889

[@romanfedotov1152]

1889 actually , 1939 made sniper version

[@imrussian6638]

A magazine-fed rifle adopted by the Russian Imperial Army in 1891. Also known by other names - 7.62 mm rifle rev. 1891 (1891/30), triple-line rifle, Mosin rifle, "Mosinka", etc.

[@SALTYCOMBATDIVER-ExInstructor]

Many 91/30 were made before 1930 (starting in 1891) and then converted (re arsenaled) after 1930. That's where the name comes from.

[@scottchenoweth4937]

That is glorious. You, and your family do such good work. Thank you.

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Thank you very much! Please help us and spread the word!!!!

[@Izot253]

I live in Izhevsk, and our factory still produces samples that have no equal in the whole world. Thanks for the video

[@jasonashley4579]

I have a 91/30 made in the Tula plant with a hex receiver in 34, all matching complete with everything for 89.99, best 90 bucks I ever spent.

[@chrisjackson1998]

I can no express enough how much I enjoy these videos, the skill at arms, the education and the enthusiasm that comes over is outstanding. Thank you Rob keep up the great work.

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Chris, thank you for taking your time to leave a comment. When those videos don't "crash" the internet, it makes my heart feel good when I read comments like yours!

[@ericdube836]

Love the mosin in all variations

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Agreed!

[@imrussian6638]

Considering it was created in 1891, it was a masterpiece at the time!

[@pandoralechat780]

Fantastic demonstration! The PEM performed admirably! Thank You Rob!

[@MercutioUK2006]

That is stunning. The rifle is 85 years old and I've seen contemporary rifles that couldn't touch it......just amazing. Even the highly vaunted Finnish M28/30 would lag behind that IMO. Great video :)

[@georgekaradov1274]

try the m39. not sure if there was M30. M28 is the national Guard variant, M39 is the Army modification

[@MercutioUK2006]

@@georgekaradov1274 28/30 was the guard version Simo used, upgraded barrel, trigger and sight - I thought it would be a good comparison :)

[@haroldbell213]

I enjoyed this video. The PU Nagant is much better than most people know. But above all it's the man using it. He's as professional as they get.

[@TacitusSapientia]

Finnish upgraded rifles can and do touch this, easyly. I had personally hold a rifle with muzzle diameter 7.61. It was upgraded last time in 1944, by the stamps. Not only they have perfect triggers, updated sights, better wood, most importantly, finns took care of the rifles religiously. They had them in reserve depos up until atleast 1990-s. Suojelukunta, SA stamped upgraded finnish mosins re the peak of mosin nagants. There are simly no better ones.

[@georgekaradov1274]

@@TacitusSapientia it all depends on which model you do have the SA markings. I have Westinghouse model with the SA marks. Nice historical thing, but it is not up to standards to the M39 that I also have...

[@johnyricco1220]

Planning ahead really helped the Soviets here. Although only a fraction of PEM was produced compared to the PU, they still manager to produced 100,000 of it. By comparison Japan made 32,000 sniper rifles, US 28,000 Springfield sniper rifles, UK 22,000 No.4 (t). These three combined were less than the PEM.

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Yes, people often really don’t understand how ahead of time Soviets were with the sniper program, including production aspects

[@JohnCampbell-sl5nx]

Yes my friend ! I think NATO and the Ukrainian's have found that out the hard way.

[@PyromaN93]

​@@VintageRiflesShootersCluband sniper tactics too.

[@lional4898]

​@@JohnCampbell-sl5nx you forget that Ukraine was core of soviets along with Russia. It's just Russia is 10-11 times richer compared to Ukraine. Still ukrainians managed to decimate russian fleet without any fleet of own. They managed to take back most major early days advances. Russian sniper school might be really good, but having 10 times economy, 3-4 times the population and still lose gained territories with huge losses? I believe hard time was received by Russia

[@JohnCampbell-sl5nx]

@@lional4898 yes ! All that and only with NATO training and equipment of eight years standing, and the success on the naval front only by the assistance of Royal Navy's dirty little trick's brigade, as for me I despise war and the misery it brings, but bombshelling your own supposed people for eight years is no way to inclusivity, banning the russian language, the russian orthodox church etc etc, the history book shows when one empire meets another we have war. This was all planned in Washington ⁉️ PS thanks for your comment 🙏

[@andyw570]

Thank you both so much! What a great team!

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Thank you for watching and commenting!

[@timbow50]

One of the best performing rifles you’ve had. Amazing piece of equipment.

[@Gorsky69]

I will add to this that there were no sniper schools or any official training courses in Germany . In the USSR , a mass public sniper movement was organized , driven by patriotism . There were official military shooting courses and sniper schools . For example , "Voroshilov Shooter" , GTO (Ready for work and defense ) , OSOAVIAKHIM , the Higher Rifle School of the Red Army command staff , the courses "Shot" , the Central Women's Sniper Training School.

[@vertigo2604]

I don't agree with you, man. In Germany there were sniper schools, but they appeared only when the war started. And quality of education in soviet army was different. Sometimes the most accurate soldier in the platoon just took the sniper rifle without any special cources. If before the war he was, for example, a sports shooter or a hunter, then he had a much greater chance of surviving and becoming a first-class sniper

[@peregrev]

Курсы "Выстрел" не имеют никакого отношения к снайпингу,это курсы для командного состава.

[@pavelisaev6424]

nobody wants to see a strong Russia. Especially world gay-government

[@Gorsky69]

@@peregrev Study history before you pretend to be a genius. On December 26, 1926, the training battalion of the Rifle Tactical Courses was used as the basis for the formation of the 2nd Rifle Regiment of the Moscow Proletarian Rifle Division Moscow Military District. In 1929 Vystrel added a sniper training course to its structure.

[@babs6558]

@@Gorsky69 Какие нахер снайпера в РККА в 26 году? "Выстрел" это не про снайпинг, это точно. А ОСОВИАХИМ и "Ворошиловский стрелок" это тоже не снайперская школа, а скорее, спортивная секция. Причем, бюрократическая секция. Там не результат был важен, а массовость, для отчетов начальству. Снайпера во время ВОВ - или охотники, или реальные спортсмены. Поэтому в снайперах так много было коренных сибиряков-азиатов. Это потом уже, после начала войны, скорее всего финской, командование начало хоть как-то чесаться насчет школы снайперов. Но за 2 года ничего фундаментального сделать было не успеть.

[@thedude1-wn2ij]

Incredible to think that was around pre war. I love the channel, such a good way to learn from someone who is as passionate about the history as they are as good a shot.

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Thank you for being with us and watching videos and commenting!!!!

[@KathrynLiz1]

Great rifle by any measure..... It disappoints me that because of the animus towards the post-war Soviet Union we seem to have forgotten that if it had not been for those incredibly brave Russian soldiers, we'd all be speaking German now, if we were still alive at all. They died in their millions to liberate their land and were a huge factor in saving us all from Hitler's regime. I for one will never forget it, even though I was born in 1942 and was a mere babe at the time.

[@drapedup76]

This is a proven fallacy that “we’d all be speaking German” 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@yvessautter8592]

Very true!

[@zlo333]

@@drapedup76 who proved it and how?

[@Hyperborea_001]

@@zlo333 There will be no evidence. Take it on faith)))

[@aresares9548]

Спасибо ,за ваше понимание !!!

[@haroldmilroy4489]

As always Rob incredible marksmanship and commentary. Also the picture quality is outstanding. Thank you

[@richardturk7162]

Great video Rob.

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Thank you Richard for watching and commenting!

[@invictus3598]

An amazing demonstration of shooting accuracy with vintage rifle. Thank you for sharing!

[@brucechynoweth]

That rifle is impressive ! Wow, You were on top of it !!!

[@jameshayden5053]

Initially I thought that the weight of the Suppressor would throw the Scope turrets off but Obviously not. Excellent Video Rob.

[@davesaunders568]

Love watching your programmes. Your knowledge and humour is not only informational but entertaining. Thanks Rob, and of course Ullah. 👍👍

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Thank you for watching and commenting Dave!

[@billhuber2964]

This guy knows his stuff. My compliments.

[@michaelofminsk8951]

I am so glad that in the museum of WWII here in Minsk we can see the brammit silencer system and nagant revolver with it And the whole story of the rifle, scope and silencer is very interesting and teaching!

[@peterleblanc661]

Amazing shooting from shooter and the rifle. Most of the shots were dead center. I remember as a kid I thought if you did your job as a shooter every bullet would go through the same hole. Really amazing to see such an old firearm get this close to that childish fantasy.

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Thank you for watching and commenting!!!!!

[@АндрейШмырев-ж3з]

Это только в кино бывает...😉😂

[@George-nc4yc]

I have two Mosins and both are excellent rifles. Everyone taking a mechanical engineering class should disassemble the Mosin's bolt- so clever and durable and absolutely genius!

[@edwardherbert882]

wonderful job brother, thank you for the education and helping me get back to shooting long range again . thanx rob

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Thank you for watching and commenting Edward!!! Glad to hear that you are back to the shooting!

[@edwardherbert882]

my great and humble pleasure@@VintageRiflesShootersClub

[@luigipasta9496]

Love when not only how you show us how it works, but tell us about it's history take us to another level!!..... great job!!

[@milsurpmarine8628]

Interesting video… great shooting. I recall reading something about the Soviets issuing a special sniper 7.62x54R round to their snipers, I believe it was designated 7N1. You did quite well with off the shelf S&B, I wonder if this 7N1 round would make a difference.

[@Karov1]

Powodzenia w zawodach -trzymam kciuki :]

[@buzsalmon]

Great job Rob!

[@PalKrammer]

Rob, you make it look easy. Such expert shooting! Thank you for such an informative and enjoyable video. Also: great camera work!

[@matthewrezuke8130]

Rob, should do some shooting footage through the scope cam.

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

It wouldn't work when shooting - bolt handle was wouldn't clear the scope with camera on it...I tried....

[@imrussian6638]

A magazine-fed rifle adopted by the Russian Imperial Army in 1891. Also known by other names - 7.62 mm rifle rev. 1891 (1891/30), triple-line rifle, Mosin rifle, "Mosinka", etc.

[@Wade__Wilson]

In the 2000s, I served in the Russian army and was among those who took inventory of army warehouses. Hundreds of thousands, if not several millions, of Mosin rifles are stored in boxes wrapped in oiled paper. The rifle itself has long been withdrawn from service, but if a major war breaks out, they will be issued en masse to the population. The same applies to PPSh, Thompson submachine guns, and Kalashnikov assault rifles. Machine guns from the Second World War. And many many others.

[@colinyoungblood620]

Great shooting Robski awsome to see the vintage still doing the business like back in the day.👍

[@troygarrigues7082]

Just watched this awesome video again. This is some crazy Vassili Zaitsev enemy at the gates shit bro.

[@justanothergunnerd8128]

Great video!

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Thank you for watching and commenting! Helps to beat KZbin algorithms!

[@Browninghumpback]

Such a great video! Many tks

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Thank you for watching!

[@johnclark1925]

Love this guy and his lass. Great videos every time. ❤

[@jamesdick9153]

My son and I are moms in fans, but find that the skill of the person behind the rifle makes a big difference. You are a legend, best vintage rifle shooting I’ve ever seen

[@nesquick84]

Best channel on KZbin

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

I don't know about that, but thank you! And thank you for watching!!!!

[@nesquick84]

​@@VintageRiflesShootersClubyou're welcome! And I stand by my statement lol

[@rickyjones7013]

I absolutely loved the video ww2 weapons are my passion I own 2 of them and really want to get more. Now as a mosin nagant enthusiasts and owner of a very nice M39, the way your rifle performed was beautiful. My M39 doesn't have a scope or anything on it it's all original from 1941 and it's an absolute dream to shoot, I can only imagine how nice that 91/30 PEM rifle shot.

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Thank you for watching and commenting Ricky!

[@babybirdflieshigh]

This is a very good channel with great content... 70,000 subs now, should be 700,000!! More people need to see these videos.

[@jeffbailey7765]

Good job and video Brother. Amazing and beautiful piece of art in the rifle. Just curious Rob, what type of tripod are you using?

[@zezebulon6730]

always a pleasure to see you again !

[@AdamWeber-pi1gs]

I could watch you shoot all day, Sir. Phenomenal.

[@enjoynature4113]

Very nice video, well done.

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Thank you for watching and commenting! Greatly appreciated!

[@АндрейНикитенко-ф4с]

As a Russian, I am impressed by both your skill and the level of your knowledge about the subject. And yes, this is a very perfect weapon in its simplicity and effectiveness, but to manufacture it using the very primitive USSR own equipment of that time, deep knowledge and ingenuity were required from technologists.

[@adrienbelhumeur5101]

Great video! I like your pem 😍

[@terrydees5998]

I really enjoy this episode thanks.

[@anthonyross9276]

Well done rob!

[@Jim-g3s7m]

Where can I get that suppressor and will it fit on my PU sniper rifle

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Yes, it fits PU rifles too. Call MG Arms llc from PA "[phone]"

[@ibfubar]

He did an earlier video where he gives info about the silencer.

[@SkipShooter]

Rob,thanks for your videos. I especially enjoy the videos with Veronica. My oldrst daughter has started shooting vintage CMP so these have been a big asset. Big thanks from an old 8404 99-11 ✌️✌️✌️

[@w.knudsen5570]

Good presentation, thank you.

[@barry7608]

Nice bit of kit, thanks and good luck at the comp.

[@thylacine123]

being able to see the bullet trajectory in footage is just wild! insane engineering built to last

[@mikebaum5976]

Nice job.. Rob and Ula..thankyou.

[@philgraves56]

Great videos, by the way!!

[@rogermiller5765]

Super COOL my Brother I wouldn't want to try and hide from you most people don't even realize how far you are shooting STAY COOL bless you and yours

[@dibbuk5730]

Excellent shooting. I notice you drop the cartridges in front of the bolt, and then close the bolt to chamber the cartridge. I have never seen a Mosin Nagant extractor that could snap over the rim of the 7.62x54R cartridge without breaking. I was taught to always feed through the magazine, so that the back of the cartridge will rise up behind the extractor as the bolt pushes the cartridge forward into the chamber.

[@whitecollarbehindtheglass6214]

What kind of camera are you using to film this video? it is very clear. Thanks

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Hi, it’s Canon 80D and Nikon

[@richardwales9674]

Hope you show us some of that competition as I think it'll be interesting. Will Veronica go with you and what will she be shooting if she is. Is she OK, she was going for an op and I haven't seen/heard anything since. I may have blinked and missed something? Don't need details. I also like it when you shoot together it's good to see the young ones picking up those skills to the point I've seen so far.

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Hi Richard, she is on the carrier path to registered nurse, so sadly, she won't be able to participate in videos anytime soon...:-(

[@richardwales9674]

@@VintageRiflesShootersClub Thanks for the reply. Just remembered I'd asked. 🤪 Best wishes and success for her then. :-)

[@nightrider3587]

I have to say, I am Impressed , the gun and the video content ,and presentation 👍👍👍

[@terencefranks1688]

absolutely brilliant & well made video - most informative & interesting - many thanks for your brilliant presentation !

[@vernondodge1689]

Great video Robert!

[@gudrich]

Это самое шокирующее видео по точности винтовки Мосина что я когда либо видел ! Просто невероятные результаты ! Большое вам СПАСИБО за эту стрельбу . Надеюсь никогда не попасть к вам в прицел )) This is the most shocking video on the accuracy of the Mosin rifle that I have ever seen! Just incredible results! THANK you very much for this shooting. I hope never to get into your sights))

[@btj1969]

Excellent video!!!! Respect!!!

[@Wk-is8eh]

Rob you are so lucky to have good weather for shooting! Where I am the weather has been so cold and windy that I haven't been out to the range since last fall, it's miserable

[@iMost067]

I love how in 10 years opinion about mossin changed from "Its worst bol action riffle in the world" to "its possibly best sniper riffle of the era"

[@VIKINGX-rc9tg]

There may be more modern and better options these days in regards to a bolt action rifle, especially for the money. However I LOVE the Mosin, configured correctly and accurized they are still extremely capable rifles. The 54r round is still cheaper than 308 and if you want to reload them hot you are right in between the power of the 308/30-06. Best of both I think. My only bitch is Lehigh defense or somebody needs to make a match solid in the 170-180gr class for some extra long range shooting. .510-.560 g1 BC is about it all we can get bullet wise currently.

[@THATMOFODIRT]

Good stuff 👍

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Thanks 👍

[@PetrosArgy]

Awesome video and history lesson. The only thing that could have made it better was if Ula shouted "Dawaj Towarzyszu!" instead of "Ready!" 🤣

[@SlavGuns]

Superb video! Question, how do you even find one of those vintage suppressors?!?!?!

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

In Europe, they aren’t that hard to find, but in USA , you can only buy clones - Check MGArms LLC from PA

[@jamesjarvis7887]

These rifles can actually shoot this well I have a pu and a pem you just need to spend some time with adjusting the zero on the optic mount love all your videos good job to both of you thanks

[@TheBigford460]

i have built a basic copy of this rifle out of my 91/30 with a Timney trigger and 3x9 scope. it's a great shooter. Only problem I have is the cheek weld. I enjoy your videos and history. Out here is Missouri my rifle is a great deer hunting rifle and puts meat on the table.

[@bryanfaulkenburg462]

I really like your boonie . The brim being cut down seems to be a modification I may do to one of mine . Is it cut down to a 1 1/2" brim ?

[@MattWaller04]

What a wonderful piece of history! The accuracy is pretty incredible

[@christopherreed4723]

Rob, did you bed that receiver and barrel on linseed oil-soaked felt, as I've read the Russians did, or is in bare in the stock? What is your opinion of that bedding method? Note to others: I've seen a lot of posts on various forums from folks who've tried this trick, and subsequently ruined their stocks because they used "normal" oil (gun oil, vegetable oil, whatever). Needless to say they weren't terribly thrilled with the results and expressed their disappointment most stridently. The vital "ingredient" here is LINSEED OIL. Linseed oil polymerizes on contact with air, forming a hard surface (why it's used for wood finishes, oil-based paints, etc). In dense felt, this polymerization produces a material very similar to the original form of linoleum flooring, which is *said* to have improved the rigidity of the barreled action (and, thus, aaccuracy). Basically pre-epoxy glass bedding.

[@DevilbyMoonlight]

Amazing performance from such a classic, not had the chance to handle one of these..

[@hummingbird9149]

Biggest problem with the Mosin 91/30's Ive found is the comparatively thin and long barrel, which means they tend not to maintain accuracy for as many successive shots in a row as the thicker stepped barrel Mauser K98k, not to mention the beefed up barrel on the improved Finnish version of the Mosin, the M39. That said, still accurate rifles the 91/30s, I just personally have had better results with K98ks, M39's, Springfield 1903s and K31s.

[@hummingbird9149]

If only all your vids could be on such a windless day

[@stevenraabe5935]

hey robies cool video and if you could have one rifle what would it be and what caliber wood it be in

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Steven, from vintage rifles or modern ones?

[@ikrivonos]

Awesome video and story!

[@squidgypoppet]

Great video as always, so how does the the mosin combined with a modern svd scope fair on the range?

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Hi, interestingly in later years, after WWII, there were attempts to put SVD scopes with mounts on the mosins. Unfortunately, since this solution was based on side rail, it placed scope really high over the bore...so it was not really "improvement" in terms of ergonomics at all...idea never stick around.

[@chrisgs8727]

I need one of those barrel attachments /sadly silencers are banned in my country, but if its no functional its ok.

[@mosinmeister25]

Curious as to what the internal baffling system was on the Bramit suppressor as it didn't seem to effect bullet drop very much.

[@northman77]

Very nice shooting! My garbage rod was clearly not from this batch lol... That said, what is this spotting scope? I'm curious.

[@rnginu59]

Amazing rifle, im in love!

[@Silva_Surfer]

great video!

[@peanut3050]

GREAT DEMONSTRATION OF THE 91-30!

[@tabbithacampfield4116]

Years ago i picked up a 39 Izzy 91/30 that shot pretty good. From a yard sale Very cheap So i corked the barrel and shimmed the reciever add sniper bolt body Mounted a repo PE scope with the top mount. But had to end up welding the mount to the rifle "no gunsmiths" wanted to mount it proper All in all it shoots great. And the mount is more stable

[@myopiniongoodyouropinionbad]

Why do sniper mosins have that different bolt?

[@owenberg3366]

The bolt needs to clear the scope- the straight bolt doesn’t. Hence the bent bolt for sniper variants.

[@christopherreed4723]

It's actually a completely different part from the normal straight bolt. The sniper bolt has a longer shank to give it better placement when closed and improve leverage. You can get modern repros of that type of bolt handle to swap into your bolt group if you look around. I do *not* reccomend bending a factory straight bolt. It'll barely clear the upper edge of the stock, and will look janky (as well as not working as well).

[@HitchElcapri]

That is a beautiful rifle.

[@VintageRiflesShootersClub]

Thank you!

[@Cnupoc]

I agree 💯

[@irspider]

You're asking the right question. I have a few more whys: Why was the RPD-44 removed from service? Why was the PPS-43 removed from service? The fact is that I am Russian and live in Russia, for me these are not idle questions, like how good, serviceable weapons in my army are replaced by worthless and expensive ones. I saw some things with my own eyes, in 2013 I saw just stacks of cut T-62 tanks stacked on top of each other. There were hundreds of them. New, they just sat in storage for 30 or 35 years. And now the T-55s are already going into battle in Ukraine...

[@carlzebisch8411]

For firing from a Mosin rifle with a BraMit supresor, used cartridges 7,62x54R with reduced charge powder and bullet 9,6 gramm (~148,2 gn) type "L" 1908

[@skrajina8037]

Great video Polski brat! Regards from Serbia!

[@trickkynickk]

great hit on the last shot, wish they made more PEM rifles

[@MrConspark]

Awesome accurate, well made for its time (mass produced) and good looking sniper rifle. You are so lucky and skilled with this beautiful example Rob. 😅 Love the Russian guys singing 👍🤣

[@Browninghumpback]

Great video and account! Are u gonna do a video on the swiss K31 ? That will be top

[@Keith-q9p]

Would you be willing to share your back story and or history? Keith.