Space Engineers - ED 209, WIP Bipedal Walker/Mech (Group Survival BTS)

I felt it was about time I showed you guys a little of ED 209, one of the coolest builds from the first season of group survival and also one of the most difficult and generally troublesome! Far from flawless, but fun :)
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[@ivanlovell1195]

Praise be unto Clang, destroyer of moving parts. _Connects two pistons together, extending one._ May He accept this humble sacrifice. _Pistons fly away._

[@Hobbyrepubliken]

Praise Clang

[@Amigo21189]

I'm still confused as to how two blocks can punch four holes in my ship.

[@ivanlovell1195]

They let their inner Clang out, obviously.

[@vallenstein9163]

Its 2 o'clock in the morninng.. exhausting weekend - W4ste laughing out and plying with his robot like a child with his action figures! Thank you for being such a genius and simply lovely man! Really nice Mech, the by far best walker I have ever seen!

[@w4stedspace]

Yeah, sounds about right :) Think I'm a bit too formal often, that's basically all I'm doing in SE :P Big Space Legos

[@raptorjesus3894]

You should upload a legless ED because TBH he would make quite a good little fighter with that articulation in his guns.

[@TimbavatiLion]

Exactly what i thought. The flying head on its own looks kinda cool.

[@H3zzard]

The Ministry of Funny Walks approves! Flaws or not, it's still genius work W4sted. Cheers for the explanation.

[@d.thieud.1056]

That head looks really fun to fly

[@w4stedspace]

Yeah, reminds me of Dr Robotnik from Sonic 2 almost :P Gonna have to make a verison of that!

[@d.thieud.1056]

+w4stedspace could you make an atmospheric hunter seeker drone?

[@deadpoolio7509]

+w4stedspace if the legs are blown off the the head could become an escape pod or a secondary phase of Ed . Keep up the great work!

[@110177Paul]

Your survival tutorials where awesome. Perfectly clear and easy to follow. Have you ever considered a series showing people how to use the program scripts to the more advanced style of playing SE?

[@w4stedspace]

Figured it was about time we talked about ED.. he's fun, and flawed, but still awesome :) Forgot that actually he flies pretty fine when safety locked down, I tend to avoid that button because of the other issues it causes. Oh, and don't lock the legs when on blocks!

[@jacobtasker1370]

Sooner or later there's gonna be Metal Gear mechs on this channel.

[@kitttengeneralbeezley8162]

+Jacob Elbon and it will be the bestest

[@UNOwen-nn6ui]

+Jacob Elbon I soooooooo wanna see this :D all in spaceengineers Metal Gear Rex, Ray , sahelantropus, and The Peace Walker :P

[@jcskyknight2222]

I had a similar chicken walker design but it was so much derpier than that! Why were you unable to use auto lock for the stepping though?

[@w4stedspace]

Wasn't controllable by the script I was using (at the time, is now) so I had no way to control it :)

[@pompadorJordanHoehn]

great video man , thats one of my last milestones on this game is to make a large bi pedal walker , ive made em on kerbal space program but this game yet , so advanced .

[@electronus97]

All it needs is a ground to air missile launcher and its a goliath. Also this thing is really cool.

[@cloroxusthestainlessone4324]

Aaaand I'm gonna make a flying urbie

[@nunyabidniss7722]

you know, with those aiming scripts and all that, you should totally 'recover' Ed's top half and turn it into some sort of ridiculous defense weapon or something. It looks like you could make it fly and maneuver pretty well, and hilariously. Bonus points if you can manage to give it a glowing mono-eye.

[@billyhyde1415]

I have no idea how to do it in-game, but you could add a couple of 'stances' to each leg that might make the movement a little more graceful, like when turning or returning to standing: First: a 'crouch' position for the leg, where it tightens the angles on the joints. On a single unlocked leg, it'd have the effect of lifting it a bit without drastically changing its position or alignment. Second: an 'extend' position, that does the reverse. This could help the locked leg offer a bit more clearance to the one taking the step, or make turning a bit easier maybe? Ed looks like an old-school MW king crab, kinda. Awesome work.

[@Lilkasserole]

For that jitter, you can connect the legs to a crossbeam connecting the "hips" then put a swivel to attach the "torso" so you don't need a swivel on a swivel, it will also allow better turning of weapons and cockpit.

[@Mg-uq7pj]

like the at-st

[@Sumaire_STi]

Just a thought for you - if you look at ED-209's design in Robocop, there actually was an interestingly unique aspect to the leg design of the machine. The knees had a very-much different take on function than conventional 'Mech designs generally have. Instead of having a rotator/pivot joint, they actually remained locked at a 90-degree angle - it never actually really changes, in that regard - but instead the lower leg actually slid forward and back, literally creating an extendable lower leg, for all intents and purposes. This is something I actually can't help but feel *may* help with future bipedal walker design, but I'm no software coder and I haven't played the game. It's just something that I was reminded of when I saw you had to keep one leg at full extension just to allow the other to clear the ground. Food for thought!

[@AGrumpyPanda]

The reason you have to invert the Y value of one of the guns is the rotors are pointed in different directions- they're both rotating in the same direction, but because they're pointed in different directions that makes one go up while the other goes down.

[@w4stedspace]

Aye I'm aware, why I inverted it

[@Upreci]

I really like the idea behind ED209, and maybe one day non-exploding and less fidgety rotors will make him a viable way to get around. Probably not, but one can always dream :)

[@JonarRoman]

GS Season 2...Potatoes finds a way to download into ED.....

[@tsambkos]

oh yes that must happen!!!!!!!!!!!! I worship Potatoes!

[@TalesOfWar]

That sounds terrifying.

[@ValosarX]

aNjaSqurl "You are illegally blanket in spagetti you have 20 seconds to umbrellas or Potatoes will open fire

[@thelordz33]

GS?

[@cyniccookie6275]

Wasted you are genius. Its the first working mech in the game :D

[@maximumeffort7096]

Just waiting for shack to arrive and FLIP OUT at what you did to the Pelican and what happened with R5. It will be Hilarious.

[@w4stedspace]

ssh, move along, nothing to see here!

[@roadtrain_]

lel :P

[@TalesOfWar]

It held up pretty well when he bashed in to it to be fair lol.

[@neptunian5686]

That's cool w4sted, I'm proud of you ;)

[@thirtymilesniper]

Quote of this video for me, referring to building a working bipedal mech, "Its relatively simple to build"... Mr W4sted. I'm still looking forward to the production video you hinted at some time ago. Also now i have started uploading myself i have you pass on a big bravo to you and your colleagues that make this look so easy. Please find the time to make the production vid, i am sure it will be a large draw for views and i really want to steel your secrets.

[@evlkenevl2721]

KZbin has recommended this video! You must watch it! You have ten seconds to comply!

[@mikk6845]

awesome man great job with all clang that happens i think it works great

[@gaalidas4836]

It's like... with the rotors unlocked you have something like the realistic thrust offset mod that was made a while back.

[@asmkalrizion7078]

Try using the hinge mod for a mech, see how that works

[@yaakhov]

you know what you could have done for the flyig is that the legs are retractable. and they make the flying more back heavy so you wouldnt only push space

[@Texfire]

Nice illustration of convergence. If it was good enough for the Spitfire, I don't know why it wouldn't work for Ed 209. ;)

[@klowN_1337]

i think we should make a battle montage with a couple eds. get the crew from the new group and lets make it happen! it would look fucking awesome! i know I should posting it as an suggestion on your group buuuut ill do that later i am currently on my phone and too lazy to boot up the PC to write a suggestion

[@klowN_1337]

I should be* posting it

[@alexrusset8614]

Don't lie. You were sorely tempted to actually fire those guns during recording.

[@jasonrtz]

Great work Wasted. Have considered adding pistons between the knees and ankles? The real ED had a shorter stride and the feet extended out in front of the body via piston allowing the body to remain more centered over the leg in contact with the ground. just a thought. :)

[@bluelightfox]

Wow, this is neat! If you're taking suggestions I'd like to see a spider crawler: more legs, less travel per leg, lower center of mass, 360-degree rotating cockpit/gun top section. Might even fit an artillery piece on it. I wonder if wheels could replace landing gear as the mech's "feet;" if so, for long trips you could lock the spider mech's legs into position and use the wheels to drive around. Not sure how one would repair a mech using projections - do projectors handle sub-grids?

[@Destro7000]

19:20 - I like your Acrostic. "GRTHMA!" super catchy xD I wonder if this walker will ever be Battlefield:2142 standard dexterity one day ;) Would be cool to see thumping over the hills. Or a WarOfTheWorlds tripod?

[@greenerion]

still 100 times better than anything I could have done :P Sop being so hard on yourself

[@w4stedspace]

I'd rather stay humble than end up an ass tbh :)

[@greenerion]

i'm just there's a nice midle ground somewhere in there ;)

[@scoobylew24]

2 Gatling guns on one arm, misile launcher in the other. Code for legs to both go up in front of body like plane fusalage, thrusters pointing down from the "femur"sections for fast combat entry/escape. I'm working on similar.

[@andrew00zero]

Same problem with Landing gear. turns out that "seperate" grids (Rotor connections) has to be connected to "Main" grid via Landing gear before Locking onto Static Grid. Means All connection would have to get locked via landing gear (from the side of Main Grid) before your legs lock onto Station.

[@Khell3770]

I think it would look more natural if you actually shortened the stride by about 15-20% and keep a slight bend to the knees. Most animals when they move have some slight degree of bend in their knees at almost all times. Maybe it's just me but it looks like it's a kid trying to stretch it's legs to match their steps to a taller parents foot prints in the sand or something. Otherwise It's looking good. Last thing. could you incorporate those "gun arms" into a fighter craft to work like a gimbled weapon? It just seems that would be really handy on some of the heavier, less maneuverable ships like the pelican... er... Warden, or possibly for engaging ground targets from the air without having to fully orient the ship. Thanks and as always, love the videos!

[@scritchscratch3061]

If only planets worked haha. ha. ):

[@EgorKaskader]

Hey, it's a working mech. You can be pleased with that already.

[@tyberiuschekov9721]

Nice Bushwacker

[@asmkalrizion7078]

Also it would be cool to make something like an AT-TE, tons of stability, and auto pilot, it would be able to climb to

[@toakrikitt]

I had made a walker a while back that would instead of walking and locking its feet as it went, "Skipped" or "hopped" leaping around and useing a mix of tires and blast door blocks to give it a small amount of give that absorbed the shock of the impacts. then again this was pre planets so I dont know if such a design would still be viable. I should find and test that thing if I can

[@karolaronai2464]

I think you should use "Auto lock" function on landing gears, and set "on/off" them instead of lock/unlock.

[@TokiRoMorbii]

Attach a platform in the middle and use a rotor to make the cockpit and arms independant of the legs to swivel the torso, ACHIEVE JENNER

[@ramses0167]

@w4stedspace i would love to see a modified version into a GDI Mammoth Tank

[@ramses0167]

i forgot to put Mk II version

[@commanderpower79]

HAha! I wanted to see this! How fantastic!

[@ltmuffler3482]

What I would like to do is make a hovering mech. The mech doesn't step, the legs would function like suspension, so that hovering over hills and along slopes doesn't throw off your aim abruptly. Hover engine mod engines in the feet for the hover, and landing gear/magnets with a toggled rotor lock allows you to set the mech somewhere like a hangar or on a hill and then you can lock the rotors and the LG or magnets to "land" it once the hovering engines are turned off. No clue if it would work but I want to get it working if it's possible.

[@Triaxx2]

Hmm... I wonder if perhaps you could connect the legs with a couple merge blocks? That way when they inevitably explode, you could just disconnect the block and drop the remnants, and then land on a fresh set and 'run' for it? Perhaps a flight mode, that folds the legs up underneath the body, so you can fly over gaps without catching them on anything?

[@w4stedspace]

could be fun :)

[@Triaxx2]

Of course you could also do the boss battle thing where the head flies away and comes back attached to something way bigger. :D

[@w4stedspace]

lol, hell yeah :)

[@Duke00x]

I know it will make flying even worse. But you should put the top half on a rotor so it can spin 360. all you really need is a bar between the two hips and then a rotor on that and then the top on that.

[@sqoops8613]

I wanna see these get dropped in to a combat zone from an orbiting production ship, it would be amazing!

[@1Okoya1]

god what kind of beast would this be if you set it up on a track system with a rotatable upper half ....a tank centaur

[@DrakarusBonehelm]

Hey wasted. how about building a T1-9 Anti-personnel tank instead? The kinda humanoid juggernaut tank with the under-slung mini-gun arms? I'm pretty sure you could make something like that both look amazing and work flawlessly. Heck, I wouldn't be upset if you made it a hover tank to avoid the Multiplayer landmines bug.

[@peterbonnema8913]

For aiming those guns, do cameras give depth information? (I don't play this game so I wouldn't know). If yes, then you can use that in your script to have the crossover point be at that particular distance. Alternatively you can add the heuristic that the mech is walking on flat ground and calculate what the distance would be to the ground for the particular angle you are aiming at and then use that to adjust the crossover point.

[@MrSHADOWANGEL999]

so many ED's, so little time

[@sad630]

Was looking through the comments and didn't see this: Have you tried having it step back when getting into the resting/standing in place motion? I Imagine that motion would be easier to get the legs back together and would make it look a little more natural.

[@Gamer225.]

can you make another survival I really liked your other ones and it helped me a lot figuring out the game

[@primetimept4720]

Best tactic. if something goes wrong, say you meant to do that it was all planed

[@RinIsArty]

I have a suggestion regards to not locking properly. Add a small bit to the Easy Automation script that sets the landing gears to autolock every time they lift up, that is something I find helps a fair bit on things that need to lift and lower every few moments.

[@w4stedspace]

When I made it EA couldn't manage autolock properly.. it can now ofc :) Hence needs a rewrite!

[@RinIsArty]

***** Yup! If you could then it would likely be near flawless.

[@w4stedspace]

It needs progressive leg checking, so the motion continues until it reaches a surface the gear can lock to - another thing EA can now check and thus I can base statements off but couldn't to begin with. Would mean any changes in terrain level is easy regardless

[@RinIsArty]

***** I have a feeling this will become even better than showin in this video once that is done.

[@w4stedspace]

That's the plan.. it's just the script also, the design is fine so far, proportions right for good movement, just needs that script to have some logic in it, not just pre-defined movements!

[@mrgraffitiman0038]

Well done it was needed to be made write

[@adrian9797ful]

You should try making a mech with the new hinges.

[@keepironman14]

that funky physics engine. can't understand the legs and goes so loopy.. you basically made a jumping walker. maybe a shit ton of gyroscopes could help negate that center of mass and thrust issue?

[@taestott]

Reminds me of the mobile trenches from Iron Brigade

[@galactus414]

Can you give us a tour of your bunker, the views you did in the series wasn't the best to get a good look at it.

[@swag-trap0123]

please ask Captian shack to do another survival series I really enjoyed it and have ed 2.0 in it please

[@theduck3876]

18:43 is when i shat myself

[@ShiroNekoDen]

was it programmed to be as adorable as a puppy

[@maximumeffort7096]

A giant gun toting death puppy but a cute adorable puppy non the less

[@w4stedspace]

lol, no it wasn't.. it just turned out that way :)

[@Privatepain1234]

you mean like Freckles?

[@ShiroNekoDen]

+w4stedspace lol

[@ShiroNekoDen]

+Privatepain1234 I like fluffles

[@seanwarren9357]

Perhaps a 40k Titan would be a better stepping off point?

[@Shadowsoldier87]

I would like to a version of ed with much smoother movement, like a true mech where the cockpit/main body does not move vertically and looking like the shadowcat mech

[@shadowrunner2323]

it's still way cool man!

[@josephpetrikov1286]

The step reminds me of the meme "when u walkin'" xD

[@stewb1409]

Now the real question is have you found something to replace the General B and D or have you fixed up Gen D to work now? :D

[@RyllenKriel]

Great video W4stedspace. You mentioned Mechwarrior, what are some of your favourite mechs and do you play MWO?

[@w4stedspace]

I played MWO for a bit.. don't really any more. I pretty much dig the classic looking clan mechs, Timber Wolf, Ebon Jag, Mad Dog etc

[@RyllenKriel]

***** Ah noooo...Clanner mechs...where's the Unsubscribe button, noooo! Haha, it's okay, I won't judge, I'm guilty of liking some of the Clan tech. Yeah, the Timber Wolf is just a great design, Ebon Jaguar too. My favourite has always been the Uziel.

[@skysy5731]

It would be awsome if you could disconnect the top Part fly with it and if you wanted you could connect it again .

[@GatoTomato]

Where is the group survival season 2!!!!!!!?????? I can't wait anymore

[@dragonflymoonraven]

so, i found a video wherein someone (in gmod) made a tripod. it looks awesome, and i was wondering if this script could help me in making one. (in space engineers)

[@greysonroberts804]

I wonder If it would be possible to weaponize the feet of that mech.

[@Duke00x]

Fly up to an enemy ship lock the feet. Which blows a hole in the ship. Then fly head into ship.

[@TearsOfLa]

Oh ed you may be very derpy, but you still work...

[@zharpain]

(1:25) i saw this and Iron Brigade went through my head lol

[@vladnovetschi]

pls do it again as a separate workshop build

[@scottmacadam6599]

I just had an idea for a build for you if you know the mecha weapons platforms from metal gear solid and the classic 80's transformers can you build a weapons platform vehicle that transforms into a robot

[@scottmacadam6599]

weapons mech

[@Beesoldier]

i've spent days or weeeks or whatever time to build mechs in SE. Ive once managed to build one that has humanoid legs and can walk on a flat surface. more than around 7 m/s will lead to the knees exploding, SE rotors are so ridiculous :/ clang is just too strong

[@rezver7707]

Man, that is a cool mech, and i think you shouldnt really do a faster one, because its gonna look quite silly. Slow mechs look majestic)

[@Mg-uq7pj]

it would look like majestic if its really big

[@ollllj]

can you do inverse kinematics in space engineers accurate enough?

[@StellarSci]

Are there any plans to release the group survival world as it was after season 1 finished?

[@theduck3876]

when i saw it striding i nearly shat myself and im sure the if the black suit was alive it would shit it self

[@tonycastro1132]

it seems talk the longer stride can be a bad idea as such clearing terrain also I've seen all lot of mech's and I've never seen a mech have such a long stride am not judging or trying to offensive but you might wana look at how mech warrior's mech actually move.

[@BluePhoenix8406]

I would love to see the MADCAT from Mechwarriors/Battletech

[@frog6124]

outro music when ed was walking and the camera was in 1 position? the one before the actual outro wit other video and annotations and such

[@w4stedspace]

Deep Southern Dirt 1 - Victor Ohlsson

[@USA0312]

W4sted why are you so badass?

[@daanm3869]

16:00 this could be usefull for breaking in someones base

[@Hobbyrepubliken]

Please convert the top half to a small figther!

[@MrG4m4]

jump jets activate at the end

[@pianogal5816]

Dem deff dredz is gonna smash dat, dem mekz iz gonna mayk it again, den da orkz iz gonna roid dem, dem is gonna stomp da ork foez!

[@ASNS117Zero]

But boss, wot if we'z took dem copy paste thingy he did'n use dat tah make all dem little stompas for uz?

[@apocryphite_2]

Is it possible to make the mouse scroll wheel change the "cross over point?" Or maybe based on a sensor placed on the gun?

[@w4stedspace]

Yeah it should be, just need to figure it out with the control script :) Something for ED 210!

[@felixkjellberg2862]

wasted you forgot one major thing about mechs in games they're on a small platform so the main shooting/pilots seat can aim

[@RAFMnBgaming]

how well does it handle inclines and/or vertical cliffs?

[@Hercules1-v9m]

You have deployed a Metal Gear. Snake has been dispatched to destroy it.

[@w4stedspace]

lol... how true that turned out to be!

[@n3onkatman]

will you do a se.2 w4sted?

[@w4stedspace]

shoulda watched to the end ;)

[@MichaelHuikeshoven]

can you make it dance like that Loony Tunes frog? "Hello my baby, hello my darling.."

[@rudesquire6904]

when is the group survival coming back

[@needsanewname414]

Still want to see an AT-AT

[@MikeHoughtonasUnit8720]

I still think ED is cool. Nothing in Se is gonna be perfect as far can see.