The Most Awesome Sewage Ship In Sci-Fi

[@panstan8499]

'Best Sewage Ships in Sci-fi' This is *exactly* the content we didn't know we wanted.

[@seriousthree6071]

No shit? :p

[@panstan8499]

@@seriousthree6071 nice

[@ironwarmonger]

I though it was going to be the Ship from Quark. :-) (I know really reaching into the old days of Scifi).

[@Tephoon]

Good pun SeriousThree... Good pun

[@colinscutt5104]

100 %

[@dedrickhowell805]

High temperature steam distillation would be used to separate water from sewage and the equipment wouldn't be thermally insulated much in a P.O.S.flying port a john in space. The hot interior isn't ridiculous at all. We can thermally control all of our interiors in modern times but don't always do so in industrial settings to save on the resources.

[@chriss2031]

Sums it up nicely. As a loan worker it's your job to fly that thing from A to B, not be comfortable in it, that costs unnecessary money. Confort is at home.

[@3xfaster]

Agreed, the most we can do in the bus shop is ether open the doors a hair to bring a breeze in and also keep the glare of the sun off the concrete at bay, but then you get the radiating heat of the sun on the garage doors just turning to a conventional oven. Sometimes we turn on the exhaust system to provide some sort of draft and draw heat out (best logic for that is “heat rises, let’s suck it out”) comfort takes second consideration after utility, I’m sure the crew was taking electrolyte tablets and keeping their hydration in check, which is what we do when it’s hot.

[@JackVermicelli]

But in Earth industry, you can just not do anything, and the ambient temperature will be uncomfortable but survivable, while in space you'd have to always be running temperature control anyway just to keep a ship survivable.

[@allangibson8494]

@@JackVermicelli Industrial applications often prioritise performance over comfort. This ship is not exactly in the best maintenance condition either (as a disposable asset). The WW2 submarine analogy may be accurate, they were hardly comfortable but they did the job for as long as they had a job to do. The inside varied from baking hot to freezing cold depending on where they were and what equipment was functioning. Survivable but not comfortable.

[@cjstanky]

@@allangibson8494 yah, watching Das Boot was like seeing an entire crew slowly bake to death in some scenes

[@dariustiapula]

Everybody goes for big ships. But no-one has for the unsung heroes like the shit recycling ship mark #15742. Or the logistics ones bringing your mail.

[@Echowhiskeyone]

It's the same in the real world. Carriers, cruisers and destroyers are the hot tickets. But they need fuel, munitions, mail, TP, ice cream and soda, among other things, to complete the mission and keep up moral. No one thinks of supply ships until they are needed. And no one that needs them, even thinks of them.

[@dariustiapula]

@@Echowhiskeyone My favorite ship was the Homeworld salvage corvette. Because I like to imagine the crew off enemy ships feeling terror as their ship is dragged to fates unknown.:D

[@MrCoolguy425]

Darius Tiapula I imagine the salvage corvette just receiving a message on a monitor to “bring us the enemy cruiser” and them just flying through flak to latch on and drag a ship against its will to the mothership

[@themadhammer3305]

Echo Whiskey logistics ship are not pretty, not interesting (to many people) and the work isn't glamorous. But without them no modern military fleet, or even civilian fleets could properly function for the long distances we expect of them. Part of why I like battlestar galactica is that they do mention their slapdash logistics, such as the water ship in series 1 and the Tylium refinery throught the series

[@biocapsule7311]

Hardly, the most prolific ships are the smaller ships, the Runner's ships. The Rocinante, Millennium Falcon, Serenity, Moya, Talyn... there's always a romanticism for the small personal ships that lets you chase adventure then the large vessel that is only popular if you don't really think about having to share the ship with a crew of hundreds to thousands, if not 10s of thousands. Hell the TARDIS is the best ships because it's a luxury manor that travels.

[@acarrot9868]

"Sewage ship" and "Escort Carrier" were words I never thought would be next to each other.

[@chriss2031]

Better than "Sewage ship" and "new food source"

[@mikespangler98]

In WW II the escort or "Jeep" carriers were called Kaiser Coffins as they were built as cheaply as possible by Kaiser shipbuilding. And they were famous for inadequate ventilation as well, especially in the tropics, which is where many of them ended up. See the battle of Leyte, which had like 18 of them "Taffy 1, 2, and 3".

[@allangibson8494]

The earliest convoy escort carriers were converted oil tankers (converted in the sense that they were still carrying a full cargo of oil).

[@gameplaysuffering1620]

"scout carrier"

[@Saviliana]

Just think it was a tanker converted escort carrier, you would able to stick them together like a glove.

[@stevenrose6996]

I love that Helo was originally going to just be a throw away character in the pilot but the test audiences really wanted to know what happened to him and so RDM and the writers kept him around and expanded his arc.

[@Gelb33]

I always thought Helo was the most sane of all characters in the series despite all the shit thrown at him the man had a will of iron.

[@xxxCrackerJack501xxx]

@@Gelb33 Helo is a traitor to the human race and should have been thrown out of the airlock.

[@irridiastarfire]

@@xxxCrackerJack501xxx I find it hilarious that 2 years after posting a comment someone could log into KZbin and get a notification for a comment reply reading "Helo is a traitor to the human race and should have been thrown out of the airlock." completely out of the blue :)

[@xxxCrackerJack501xxx]

@@irridiastarfire lol, I initially thought it said "2 days ago" when I replied, my opinion still stands though :P

[@stuartfury3390]

@@xxxCrackerJack501xxx Helo was by far the most insufferable character on the show

[@ericzaiz8358]

Heres a class of ship that is always under love. REPAIR SHIPS. The ships that patch you up after the big bad is taken care of.

[@Red_Lanterns_Rage]

or the planetary dock emergency craft who come in and put out that fire where your engine used [it's okay,k you're still flying half a shp] to be when you make another happy landing.....LMFAO I think Obi Wan had seen a few too many Bob Ross episodes that day.....

[@themadhammer3305]

Red Lantern's Rage or the ships which we all know has to exist in space, coastguard cutters (or an equivalent). The only property I can think of seeing a vessel like that in is Event Horizon but I'd imagine they must exist in some form when organised space travel exists

[@ericzaiz8358]

@Lord Hosk Sometimes literally... Hate to be the guys in Starfleet who has to deal with the Enterprise. Repair Engineer: "You all did WHAT to the warp core?"

[@Red_Lanterns_Rage]

@@ericzaiz8358 yeah I could imagine the repair crew chief getting pissed.... Chief: so what's on the docket today?? Assistant: we have an Intrepid class, minor damage to saucer section, battle with Klingons, some disruptor scoring as well...we have a Support cruiser, missing 1 Nacille, port side...battle with Romulans near the Neutral Zone Chief: I'll order work crews right away....anything else?? Assistant: well there's a Constitution class...oh no, it's your fave....the Enterprise D sir.... Chief: goddamnit, what did they do this time?? Assistant: it appears they modified the warp core to exceed operational safe limits to hit Warp 11?? I didn't know that was possible, also took a massive hit to the fore section, lost deflector dish, a Nacile, heavy damage to the caucer, bridge... Chief: what isn't damaged?? Assistant: well the Galley, main hangar bay surprisingly and the other Nacille Chief, you have got to be frakking kidding me..... Assistant: chief, wrong show, we don't say Frakking here..... Chief: oh, we're saying frakkin alright, i;l go over the big man's head if I have to...... ^at least that's how I picture it lolz

[@artbrann]

you forgot they are also scheduled for a minor refit to add a turbolift, 2 decks, change the length and type of naciles and add an extra gelato machine on the bridge

[@Wizkid490]

I've always had a soft spot for cobbled-together military ships. Seeing these old civilian ships that had some military hardware slapped on and pressed into service is always cool, and I wish we'd seen more of this in the show. Why not have a couple of these old retrofits to escort the civilian fleet while the Galactica engages the enemy? Or even act as a flanking or ambushing force. Seems like with so few people and a decent number of ships, converting a couple seems like it would have been feasible.

[@HrothgarHeavenlight]

@Andy Wilderness Star Wolves have few refitted civilian ships, as basically most of TEC fleet in Sins of a Solar Empire.

[@Wizkid490]

@Andy Wilderness Probably not very long. But still, in the battle for the Tylium asteroid, they basically cannibalized a ship to use as a carrier, and it allowed them to win the battle. That's the kind of thing I would have liked to see more of.

[@ancaplanaoriginal5303]

Didn't some of the civilian ships had missiles onboard? I remember a line saying so in the series

[@7inviere]

@@ancaplanaoriginal5303 The Adriatic was armed with a few self-defense missiles. It was the only "armed" ship in the ragtag fleet other than the Galactica itself as far as i remember. But it was lost on the way to the algae planet, you know, raptor crews guiding and finding their sheeps in the gas cloud full of radiation and such. I think it was Kat who lost it. Not really sure. And that line you saw was probably on the episode where the dumbass civvies rebelled (Tom Zarek again, what a surprise) against Galactica under Roslin's so called "prophecy" at that time anyway.

[@ancaplanaoriginal5303]

@@7inviere If I was on the same situation as Adama, I'll make galactica and their support crafts jump to demonstrate the civilians that they are in no position to do shit

[@Striker163videos]

Leave it to spacedocks to appreciate the grit and authenticity of a sewage ship. This channel really is such a blessing to hard science fiction fans. Like where else would we go to learn cool shit other than a forum. This actually uses visual cues, charisma and specs I love it!

[@derpimusmaximus8815]

My take on why(from a production standpoint) it's it hot in the shitbucket - I mean, Demetrius - is that it helps sell the crew getting so much more irritable. There's not many of them, there's literally no way for them to go somewhere to cool off(metaphorically or literally). It boosts the claustrophobic atmosphere. In-universe, it's possible it's environmental systems are a bit iffy because, being a 'spare' poop tanker, it's had parts salvaged for use in ships that are more valued within the fleet, so it's engines are less efficient, generating more waste heat, and with an impaired ability to sink the heat anywhere.

[@herculeholmes504]

I agree- and the environmental controls would not be a high priority to fix, and because heat = energy, they might be reluctant to waste it.

[@Awol991]

As a poop carrier it probably did not have much crew. Just enough to fly it from load to unload point.

[@Vulpine407]

These are all good points. Someone may be tempted to argue that space (unless you're REALLY close to a sun) is the ultimate heat-sink. And that therefore the problem should be heating the ship, not cooling it. The problem with this thought is that it does not take the mechanics of thermal radiation (transfer of heat -not gamma, x or other dangerous radiation) into account. There's a lot of discussion at the NASA forums about how a starship (or just an in-system ship) would shed heat if it was powered by some reactor (fission, fusion, chemical, what-have-you) -not to mention all the other systems on the ship that would generate heat (electronics, motors, etc.) The common thought is that such a ship would require huge radiator fins that would allow the ship to bleed off excess heat into space. The Demetrius certainly looks like it has some small details on the hull that could represent such a function, but certainly not enough to easily cool all the heat the ship generates. As others have pointed out, being a low-end commercial ship not meant to carry large crews for extended periods would definitely be a major contributor to the ship's environment being less than comfy.

[@herculeholmes504]

Thinking about it, being close to a Planet or asteroid could also make space warm; outside of the Earth's atmosphere the temperature is a rather mild 10c.

[@DeusExAstra]

@@herculeholmes504 The temperature of space is irrelevant because it's an almost perfect vacuum. So, for any ship in space, other than any heat radiated away through EM radiation, space would act as an insulator, and any heat in the ship stays in the ship unless you can figure out a way to get it out... which is not an easy task.

[@Synthmilk]

The Mail Courier. The unsung hero of the Fleet, it's sole pilot makes sure the mail get's to where it needs to go. As time went on however, to add excitement to their life, they opted to keep delivering mail even during combat. Unbeknownst to anyone including themselves, this resulted in them becoming the best pilot in the fleet, making their rust-bucket civilian transport dance like a Viper through enemy fire. There should be little dialogue, to a general background of classical music during combat scenes, and some obscene death metal during the non-combat runs. Their piloting also changes between combat and non-combat. Non-combat, they take all kinds of unneeded risks like braking just past the last moment so the docking collar has to do some of the work at bringing the ship to a stop, and during combat they are the avatar of grace and perfectly executed docking, with only three functional thrusters out of 12 and the main engines down.

[@notablegoat]

I don't know that it's so ridiculous that it's hot in the Demetrius. Is it not possible that the reactor produces a lot of heat, and the cooling systems or shielding are sub-par? It seems unlikely they'd have the resources or inclination to repair a non-vital system

[@mrstarfishh33]

Agreed, I thought along these lines.

[@26th_Primarch]

Same

[@ericzaiz8358]

Or it can just be really humid. As anyone who been near the ocean or a really large body of water you know that even a nice 75-f (23C) is unbearable with over 80% humidity. Especially with no good airflow like wind. Also its a sewage ship, it probably has ALOT of water in it...

[@stephens7136]

@@ericzaiz8358 Agreed, they probably have a lot more people than the ship was designed to carry, and the atmosphere system is having a hard time coping.

[@2MeterLP]

eric zaiz I do hope they got rid of the poo before going on a recon mission :D

[@stephens7136]

I never would have thought a "sewage freighter" would be anything other than a joke, but it does make some sense that in a heavily space-going civilization, not every ship would be expected to be fully self-sufficient. There could be a lot of dedicated designs for in-space refuel/restock/waste-recycling.

[@basedeltazero714]

"but it does make some sense that in a heavily space-going civilization, not every ship would be expected to be fully self-sufficient." Perhaps so... but presumably, such vessels could dock to a station/ground platform? I mean, we hook RVs up to stationary sewage lines, we don't build a seperate poo truck to follow them. And why would anyone put an FTL drive on a glorified septic tank anyways? Realistically, I'd think such a ship could exist, but it's job would probably be a bit more complicated than 'sewage'. Something that the served ships can't just handle themselves... like a vessel to transport nuclear waste or other hazardous materials from deep space stations for recycling/safe disposal.

[@chriss2031]

You want a sewage freighter for proper processing for the simple reason that while you may can sterilize your leftovers on your own ship you aint gonna make food out of it yourself. That stuff and the gasses they produce need to go somewhere. And simply jettison that stuff into space is a waste of resources if you are in space with no access to a planet.

[@toomanyaccounts]

@@basedeltazero714 actually for sea going shipsm there are tenders that haul black water and even gray water if the tanks get full to port or other larger ships for processing.

[@basedeltazero714]

@@toomanyaccounts Huh. That could well be true. I know I've heard a lot of complaints about, say, cruise ships being bad for the environment due to their proclivity for just dumping waste overboard. As for Chriss' point, that's definitely true, but they wouldn't have had a pressing need for it until after the whole exodus thing. Hmm.

[@weldonwin]

The Demetrius is basically a space garbage truck, pressed into military service and I do appreciate that kind of improvisation

[@alanloveless4216]

0:50 They were closer to Earth than they knew; Orion is in the background just above the forward section of the hull.

[@Cailus3542]

A case of the special effects and set design folks doing an absolutely superb job of delivering what the writers wanted. One can only imagine just how much of a drain it was on Galactica's resources to refit the Demetrius, especially with five Vipers and all those personnel, but in the context of the story, it made sense. Great stuff overall.

[@mahatmarandy5977]

I humbly suggest you take a look at the United Galaxy Sanitation Patrol cruiser from the long-forgotten series, "Quark."

[@adamlytle2615]

Damn I need to watch Battlestar Galactica again. I had completely forgotten about this.

[@azuresentry815]

On Helo's upward movement, he's also proven himself to be incredibly loyal. That's something that Adm Adama always valued greatly.

[@Ravenous1369]

I'd had no idea such a vessel even existed in Galactica as I've only seen significant parts of the 1978 series, and is certainly a very interesting ship from across Sci-Fi. Your mention of other potentially underrated starships in sci-fi brought only one to my mind; the UNSC's Midsummer Night from Halo: The Cole Protocol. While its details are somewhat limited, I can't help but point out humanity's most heavily armed stealth vessel we are aware of within the Halo universe (seeing as there are even less specifics about their stealth cruiser Point of No Return). Such a blending of capabilities always has great appeal to me, and the actions undertaken by it fit logically inside the pros and cons of utilizing the design. Really disappoints me that Protocol is the only mention of the stealth frigate and we haven't heard of anything similar or even better since then. Keep up the great work mate, looking forward to the next vid!

[@harlankovacs6276]

Nice video. Little personal anecdote ,im 26 years old and since my 6 I always called my main ship Demetrius (toys models ,video game,scifi rpg) .Currently it's my reclaimer in Star Citizen.

[@highgrounder5238]

I can see you are a man of culture as well.

[@mirceazaharia2094]

Now that is commitment. I switch between ship names like I do with socks or underwear.

[@lorenroberts6786]

Sometimes you gotta scrape the bottom of the barrel to survive

[@crazyhawaiidrivers4310]

Or in that case, the sh*thole?

[@mr.t3p370]

I could see a sewage ship only needing two or three people it's possible they have the maximum number of occupants and it's why the temperature is the way it is; it being a sewage ship they might have tried to cut corners and that's why it's so hot on there.

[@Cognitohazzard]

I must have completely missed that arc while watching BSG all those years ago... I am really fond of that little ship now, thank you!

[@SheldonAdama17]

“Time to take out the garbage” - Capt Janeway

[@777Mikos]

While not in a narrative sense, I feel like Serenity's design is highly underappreciated by the community. Granted Firefly universe ship designs are all over the place but Serenity itself is brilliant. Rotating drives in particular don't get nearly enough love for how incredibly versatile and agile a ship with this design is. Would be great to see some more appreciation for the workhorse of the Verse!

[@boooster101]

Rotating engines aren't a good idea and one of the reason why VTOL planes are a rarity Lots of moving parts that you have to engineer around, also reducing the general stability and integrity. A dozen of tiny maneauvering thrusters are doing the same job with almost identical precision and far less drawbacks. They are just not that cool.

[@IncoherentOrange]

I would love to see a video on the Kuun-Lan. That thing goes through a lot for a simple mining ship. Its escort wing originally consists of purchased Bentusi fighters and mining tugs with ion cannons strapped on them. It has weapons that aren't bad. But the coolest thing about it is its modularity. It was able to recover having lost half of its drives, a chunk of crew, and a lot of her facilities and come out of it stronger than before, kitted out for war.

[@rolandjaycutter3504]

Ya know, this kinda reminds me of the Merchant Aircraft Carriers (MACs) used during WW2.

[@sid2112]

It's a pretty good choice besides availability. Without full holds her engines would be very powerful. The ship would likely be structurally sound as a liquid carrier due to the need to limit torsion causing leaks. Designed to be minimally crewed. Lots of good points for her as a converted escorts carrier.

[@Bird_Dog00]

I realy like the idea of giving less flashy ships a bit of spotlight. How about making a video with short descriptions of all kind of such ships. Be it simple utility ships or ships that have ben repurposed just like this one. Auxilary cruisers, repair tenders, auxilary carriers, q-ships ect. For example, the Wayfarer Class Q-Ships from the Honorverse, or the Quarian Habitat ships from Mass Effect, that were retrofitted with f-ing Dreadnought-class Mass drivers.

[@Alligator81]

Q ships?

[@Bird_Dog00]

@@Alligator81 An idea from WW1. A merchant ship equiped with concealed weapons. The idea is to get an enemy merchant raider - like a u-boat or a auxilary cruiser - to close for a supposed easy kill. Only to then reveal the weapons at the last moment and - hopefully - defeat the raider with the element of surprise.

[@Alligator81]

@@Bird_Dog00 Thanks.

[@Hiperruimteindustriee]

But can we just talk about how gorgeous that ship is?! It's beautiful!

[@franticnoobs9187]

I love your video, but every time I tried to watch battlestar galactica I ended up screaming one of two things at the screen. either A: "Why would ANYONE do that?!" or b: "Stop giving the cameraman cocaine!"

[@tophatminion.7558]

i was always screaming at the Cylons JUST BE KILLER ROBOT STOP DOING OTHER CRAP

[@CallsignYukiMizuki]

It's probably just me, but I dont find the shaky camera too bad, like it really adds so much to the scene sometimes, and I do agree that its a bit excessive at other times, but like that's something that you can more or less ignore?

[@franticnoobs9187]

@@CallsignYukiMizuki for me it was annoying because I like to pay attention to the details, Shows like Firefly/Serenity and on some occasions Babylon 5 used Shaky cam and you could still focus on the ship sand see the detail. on BSG as soon as you locked on to what you wanted to see the cocaine addict behind the camera panned out a bit.. then in, then out too far, then in to close, than out a bit then in and then out, then dropped the camera, then picked it up upside down, flipped it over and zoomed in far enough to see up starbucks nose. it was just annoying. From my perspective of how I like to see things.

[@CallsignYukiMizuki]

@@franticnoobs9187 LMFAO I was about comment on how the camera work on this; (link) was pretty clever up until 0:44 where it literally zoomed in on Starbuck's nose kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4vJhmCgp7llbtk

[@itRIX49]

...Oh hell no, they didn't mess wit that Caprican blow!The camera operators were definitely geeked-the-frack-off!!! Hahahahaha! More like: "c. Quit giving them that Cloud 9 METH pipe!" Hahahahaha...

[@jimmyryan5880]

Actually i forgot how good the B cast thing was at that point. It was so good seeing characters who were throwaway trainees become important due to one half character development and one half the human race becoming smaller so they become more important.

[@bxxj]

Freaking awesome video dude. Everyone and their dog did one on galactica. You dug deeper and expanded the series universe nicely.

[@johncunningham4820]

Stuff like this alludes to why People LOVE the Millennium Falcon . Held together with " 100 mph " Tape . And gets the Job done anyway .

[@cmdrgarbage1895]

The way you pronounce "das boot" Haha, very nice

[@DemonHippo266]

I'm so happy you do this Dan. Keep up the great work

[@thebagnechannel3183]

Love it. I recently rewatched the series and thought the writers and effects specialists did a great job with this ship.

[@dannyneilson920]

My sister named a novel her Sims 4 character after this channel because I have been subbed since the 1st video you posted. Keep up the awesome videos. P.S. the novel made her character rich.

[@glitchgirl7107]

Yes I did, it was an awesome novel

[@TheColdZephyr]

I imagine ships carrying sewage would also have to exist in 40k, where planets in a system aren't self-sufficient, but rather serve singular purposes. If an agri-world is meant to keep supplying forge worlds with food, they're going to have to replenish the soil somehow. This was sort of touched-on in one of the Gaunt's Ghosts novels, where a planet captured by Chaos was having its soil depleted by harsh fertilizers and a crop that rapidly depletes the soil.

[@jimmyjohnjames6397]

Gone are the days of the Pegasus providing an impenetrable defense. Yes thanks for that....LEE!!!!!?🤬🤬🤬

[@davidallen803]

You know one ship type you saw a the time in the original BSG was the shuttles, I can't remember ever seeing them in the reboot. I remember thinking while watching the original BSG how those ships would fare in an atmosphere. Except in Star Trek and all of its descendants you don't see too many shuttles, which you would think should be everywhere.

[@doemacmonkey]

David Allen there was a little nod to the original series shuttles. In the pilot miniseries where the officer that flew to the armistice station for the treaty anniversary; he flew there in the old type of shuttle- but I don’t think we ever see them again

[@DavidLemmo]

A shuttle was used during the President's expedition to Kobol to find the Tomb of Athena and the map to Earth it contained. Also, Shuttles were sometimes seen in docking bays on larger civilian vessels such as Cloud Nine and Prometheus.

[@markanderson6923]

Athena was also a member of the crew, she was the raptor pilot.

[@swillm3ister]

Really cool episode, Daniel. Cheers!

[@fvzz1]

Reminds me of some of the stories I have herd of the conversions to freighters doing the arctic convoys to Russia during ww2

[@toomanyaccounts]

you mean the ships that used to only operate in the rivers and lakes of the US that were then made into ocean going vessels?

[@RonJohn63]

Recycling your own water and waste doesn't take _that_ much room, and the end products are instantly available for reuse.

[@RockySunico]

This remains to be one of my favorite Spacedock videos.

[@perryrhodan1364]

Nice analysis and details I surely missed. Good work here!

[@TheLiamis]

It's incredible attention to detail that a fleet has a poop tanker. After all you are going to need that waste to grow food and produce fuel.

[@ala5530]

Excellent content. As a possible reason the ship is too hot/humid: a sewage ship is likely not intended for long solo missions. As such its consumables budget is going to be very tight on a long distance recon cruise of indefinite duration. Given that dumping excess heat is a bigger problem in space than heating the ship, and that every bit of power they use is dependent on an ever-dwindling fuel supply, cutting power usage spent bringing the ship's internal temperature down will give a far from insignificant reduction in consumption, thus expanding their range-until-resupply margin considerably. Add to that the fact that they've added a significant amount of extra equipment (which will consume power and thus fuel while simultaneously adding to the waste heat problem directly, although if the original sewage processing gear is turned off/removed or running at a significantly stepped down level, they could still be making a net gain in power efficiency), and probably upped the crew size beyond the designed complement (possibly beyond the book values that the life support and environmental systems are rated for), and may have had it running for longer than expected (probably since New Caprica, although they may have docked/landed since then to do the refit/conversion, potentially all the way back to before the attack on the Colonies), and it's hardly surprising the ship's hotter than is comfortable. Oh, as a recommendation for underrated utility ships in sci-fi: might I suggest the *Toybox* from PLANETES. Hard SF setting, doing garbage runs in LEO through GEO to prevent Kessler syndrome from putting to kibosh on space travel and exploration.

[@Dang_Near_Fed_Up]

This is a great example of how desperate militaries can, will, and do repurpose anything and everything they have access to, in order to get the job done. Being former military I can attest to this practice in real life. It is outstanding to see it implemented into a TV show that hopefully gets non-military personnel to think about how military personnel are forced to adapt.

[@steven401ytx]

Of all the sci fi sewage ships on the endless list of sci fi sewage ships I love and am familiar with, this is the best sci fi sewage ship. Definitely.

[@marckrieger3277]

Wow, a love letter to a Sewage Ship, thats why i love that chanel.

[@niagarawarrior9623]

regarding Helo and his rise through the ranks, i read years ago that his character was meant to die on Caprica when he gave up his seat for Gius Baltar, but an overwhelming amount of people liked his performance so he was hastily written into the show as a main character.

[@lesmoor001]

did they have to EVA to access the vipers ?

[@3xfaster]

lesmoor kelly I’m assuming they dawned their flight suits, which are pressurized, then embarked in to their vipers with a mini space walk.

[@CicadaAppreciationSociety]

RIP Gunnery Sgt. Mathias. She didn't even get an on screen death.

[@OwenGee22]

That timing, going through battlestar for the first time and got past this point just as this vid comes out.

[@PurpleRhymesWithOrange]

With a ship that has been completely repurposed with minimal resources for refitting it does not seem strange that the ventilation may not provide equal air exchange to all compartments. Particularly if some of the compartments the crew are now living in were originally only intended to be cargo spaces.It's possible that to keep areas closer to the outer hull warm enough to sleep or relax in might result in areas in the core of the ship, where the control room is, to be a few degrees warmer than what would be considered optimal comfort.

[@Bill23799]

I agree the scene on the Cylon Basestar with the 6 and Baroleigh was very good.

[@IgorKolar]

According to a recent answer on Quora, even on day-to-day operations on a current-day carrier, pilots fly whatever plane has completed maintenance and is cleared to fly, which isn't necessarily the one with the pilot's name on it. :) Not saying the situation wouldn't be more dire in the BsG scenario. Just wanted to point it out :)

[@TheIronZealot]

I love everything about this, great video!

[@gavinsmiley9377]

I really think you should watch some of the Gundam shows. There are certainly some fantastical less then grounded elements that would probably annoy you. But hiding behind that is some great hard Sci-Fi, including cylindrical rotating space colonies, Lagrange points and one of the best depictions of zero-g I’ve ever seen.

[@xuruiyu]

I really respect SF that remember that things such as sewage exist

[@thatgamingtitan]

They were really scraping the bottom of the sewage bucket for this ship. But they used it to their advantage.

[@lesthodson2802]

One point on your "environmental controls" argument: It's likely that the Demetrius' environmental controls are not functioning entirely properly, and it could be that the ship's reactor could have been increased in output to provide more power for the CIC equipment etc. thus creating more internal heat that might be difficult to dissipate. Just a thought on why the interior of the Demetrius could be so hot even with environmental controls.

[@kansascityshuffle8526]

So instead of hauling shit it now seeks it out. That’s so funny I almost shipped my pants.

[@petertimson1985]

Gods I love this channel.

[@firstcynic92]

Sorry, but that ship is far outclassed by the United Galaxies Sanitation Patrol Cruiser on the TV show Quark.

[@SpearM3064]

Congratulations on being the only other person I know who actually *remembers* that show. Then again, it only ran for 8 episodes, so it's easy to overlook. (And since I was only 8 years old when it ran, I *barely* remember it myself!)

[@stevejordan7275]

It's the only ship I know of that could open its mouth and laugh evilly into camera. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3yvo32QgcRggaM at 6:52

[@loginregional]

Aw crap. As usual I didn't check the other comments before I …sigh.

[@keirfarnum6811]

Mork from Ork might have something to say about that! Nanoo nanoo!

[@shannonlove4328]

Everyone on this thread should form a club.

[@meligoth]

It is also safe to assume the Demetrius is one of the few ships that has a tougher hull than other civilian in the Galactica fleet due to it's purpose. Add in that it operates independently, it is impervious to cyber attacks which makes the Demetrius a perfect full ship to carry on scout missions extending Viper and Raptor range as a little carrier.

[@55Quirll]

I thought you were going to talk about Red Dwarf. I never realized that Battlestar Galactica had a sewage ship.

[@xheralt]

Same here. My first thought was the Malon ship from _Voyager,_ but the thumbnail wasn't that.

[@frederalbacon]

I just love the idea of the fleet having more sewage ships than it needed. To me, in addition to the fact that it means lots of people have died, it ALSO implies that quite a few of them survived the Fall, likely because they're sewage ships, and sewage ships are going to have FTLs, because who wants to spend time travelling sublight speeds with sewage?

[@WickedScott]

I always wanted more 'lower decks' type stories on BSG. At one point I was interested in the gunners controlling those manual turrets on top of Galactica. This was one of the greatest scifi shows ever that seemed to get bogged down in the theological stuff rather than sticking with the main scifi premise. So many good character archs were lost or changed in S4 but that's another well trodden debate.

[@misium]

The environmental control could have been designed for a much smaller crew of the sewage ship. Maybe it cant keep up with the cooling required for a larger crew.

[@toddstidham8374]

I always imagined the ship normally had a small crew, but with so many extra people on board, the heat scrubbing capacity was over taxed from them converting it over.

[@billybegood466]

When I saw the title, my first thought was for the sewage transport ships in Star Trek: Voyager that were piloted by the Malon. They seemed to pack a pretty hefty punch with their weapons that certainly gave Voyager a run for the money.

[@DrownedInExile]

"We're going to be the best damn garbage scow in the entire fleet!" - Roger Wilco, Space Quest 4

[@Tech-Kaplan-Kali]

Me: It's getting late, I need to wake up early toomorrow. Just one fina look at the yout tube homepage... > The Most Awesome Sewage Ship In Sci-Fi ... How am I supposed to not click a title like that?

[@TheVeritas1]

I know. I had the same reaction.

[@garyhancox7360]

What about the Liberator from Blakes 7?

[@taudvore259]

Regarding Helo’s constant shifting around in rank and authority, aside from plot his relationship with Athena probably factors in. Although she proved herself loyal to the people she loved among the Colonials more than her own people, that fact remains that she is a Cylon and her model had shot and almost killed Adama. It was likely subconscious but Adama would constantly be torn between his trust for Helo and the knowledge that he is sleeping with someone who has been the enemy before.

[@dornflakes112]

I got flashbacks of the "blood for blood" scene with that tiny mention

[@billymanners9629]

Potential reason for it being too hot. Maybe to save money the original ship was built with passive heating from the reactor instead of a proper climate control unit and when it was converted they uprated the reactor but forgot to/weren't able to modify the passive heating system. This means that the more powerful reactor produces more waste heat and hence makes the ship too hot.

[@mattbrown3380]

How many sewage ships did the fleet have???

[@BattleUnit3]

Who the fuck would want to shoot a Sewage ship? It gets shoot BAM flaming shit in space? Nobody wants that. Not the Colonial and not the Cylons.

[@2MeterLP]

Християн лазаров Thats an interesting defense concept. :D

[@markmullins8622]

@@hildemel lol.jealous cayse your welfare economy country cant afford 10000 of anything?

[@doemacmonkey]

...a shit load of them?

[@hildemel]

@@markmullins8622 Except for health care and not acting like hypocrites. ;)

[@Red_Lanterns_Rage]

This was one of my fave sections of BSG, that whole scouting mission was a great diversion yet never lost the tension.....masterfully done IMO and yeah the demetrius was pretty cool, sewage ship, you're a scout ship now......wait what?? if ships could talk...... Demetrius: and they made me into a scout ship..... Cloud Nine: you gotta be kidding me...a scout ship?? D: yeah they put vipers on me too.... C9: aww man, sounds rough.... D: and they put CIC equipment in me.... C9: OMG.... D: and it was hot in there for some reason LMAO!

[@hyperdude144]

To speculate on the "environmental control" aspect I'd say that the ship is holding more people and equipment than it can handle. People and equipment produce heat which needs to be dispersed, but since space is an insulator, you can't do that easily. So the ship gets hot.

[@urulai]

Mostly any support ships, like repair ships, fuel tankers, tug boats. Don't get much love.

[@thernalis6292]

As another viewer pointed out in the comments, it's actually very difficult for spacecraft to reduce their overall temperature, as there is no gas in space for that heat to dissipate to. The only means for heat reduction in space is via the natural process of thermal radiation in the infrared spectrum. This process can be extremely slow, and could be a potential explanation for why the ship seems so hot. In addition, when you consider the fact that all cooling systems must, by the laws of thermodynamics, simply transfer heat from one area to another to cool it off, it would actually cause the total temperature of the ship to increase over time rather than decrease, thus potentially causing a long term heating issue.

[@TheVeritas1]

Adam, Great post. By the way, you should check out the Because Science video, "The Truth About Space War." Kyle Hill discusses how much waste heat can be a menace to a crew on a space warship.

[@tophatminion.7558]

@@TheVeritas1 a lot of Military sci-fi books use having to vent heat being the reason ships cant stay in stealth

[@BigTylt]

I would love a Sci-fi "cloaking" concept where the radiators have to be turned off along with radio silence, etc., and the crew can't use it for more than a few hours because they'd literally die of heat strokes...

[@thernalis6292]

@@TheVeritas1 I actually watch Because Science religiously... Which is kinda ironic when you think about it. XD I've seen that video. It's a really good one.

[@tophatminion.7558]

@@BigTylt yea it works really well in the books ive read. It really Cranks up the tension. As it puts a timer on how long they can stay in cloak not to mention the Hotter it gets the more stressed out The crew.

[@broderfoder9348]

Years old video about a sewage spaceship and noone have made the obvious remark of "spacedook" ? Mindboggling!

[@captnrobvious47]

Would've liked to get a closer look at the Zephyr. The habitat ring-ship that got blasted in the Ionian Nebula. I noticed that alot of ships in The Fleet are identical to the ones in the original fleet. The Zephyr however is one of those designed for this iteration along side Cloud-9, Colonial One and I'm pretty sure the Olympic Carrier. I got the impression that the Zephyr was a luxury liner. I remember a short clip of Geata leaving Galactica shoreleave or something The Pegasus comms officer, Hoshi, stops him in the corridor, passes some painkillers for his leg and kisses him goodbye. I thought she was one of the more beautiful graceful ships in the fleet that was totally out of its element for a voyage of this scale. I would've liked to see what strategic role, if any, it played in the fleet aside from being "The Other Cloud-9".

[@ariharrison9139]

Hello, first time comment, long time watcher. I enjoy your videos. Even when I know everything about a particular ship, it is still refreshing and entertaining to hear your point of view. Thanks for the great job you do and the research and effort you put into all your videos. You always ask for us to leave a request in the comment section of the video so here I go. There was a show called Space: Above and Beyond. I would like you to do The U.S.S. Saratoga, the hammerhead fighters, and the various alien ships please. Thank you Kindly in advance.

[@snarks1532]

I'd love to get an episode on another Freespace ship, particularly those of the incredibly well-made Blue Planet mod, particularly of the UEFg Karuna.

[@ShasLaMontyr]

Would love an episode on the UNSC Crade... loved the idea of that ship.

[@boblowes]

I always thought it would make sense for the Colonial Military to commandeer the best suited vessels and retrofit them as frigates or something, just so they had more options for defending the fleet. And then convert the starboard landing deck of the Galactica into a fabrication set-up, so they could manufacture replacement MkII Vipers. The Pegasus had fabrication facilities aboard her, so it should have been possible to fit go Galactica with similar. Come to think of it, during the Caprica II arc, the Pegasus, Galactica and the remaining Colonials should have been building new fighters by the score, and training pilots.

[@terryr.1243]

ANOTHER UNDER-APPRECIATED SHIP was that one civilian ship with the ring structure (what was her name?); it was hit and repaired (I loved how they showed her being repaired) admirably and kept in the series, constantly shown BUT never mentioned. I only wish there was more to o see about her.

[@Siferzion]

Don't know if there's enough info out there for a video, but I always loved the Zephyr in BSG.

[@ryusantos6145]

Mt favorite sewage ship has always been the United Galaxy Sanitation Patrol Cruiser from the 70's tv show Quark.

[@theonlyliverpoolninj]

Temperature issues are probably to do with having to carry so much fuel for the raptors/vipers. While you could presumably store it in sufficiently scrubbed sewage tanks you’d have a bad time if your fuel was not temperature controlled properly. So any parts/power for regulating that would need to be prioritised.

[@WhiteCollarCrimeDNB]

The runabouts from DS9 were the real heroes of that series.

[@soph1823]

I know I'm really late to this but this is my head canon for the reason everyone is sweating The metal sheets used were intended as warship armour, not for use on civilian vehicles and so the engines are working overtime, burning way hotter than ever intended and so, the environmental control systems literally cannot keep up with how hot it's getting.

[@Kapitaen_Flauschbart]

I am probably a bit nit picky here but i never could stand that rediculous overdone shakycam in space in this series ... tbh honest, neither on board.

[@DeusExAstra]

I have to agree I didnt like the shaky cam either. But, it's something I could ignore because the show was otherwise so good.

[@a.morphous66]

It’s great in the battle scenes (for giving a sense of the desperation that is the only constant in this show), but I agree with you wholeheartedly. The cameraman seems to be on crack half the time with all of the shaking about. At least hold it relatively still during the calm scenes, can you do that?

[@oz_bat]

To me it was a fresh take, as far as I can see shaky cam series took off after this because of Galactica's success. The whole idea that there's a lone cameraman recording humanity's desperate last stand for posterity.

[@hillaryclinton2415]

Shaky cam is fine.... just dial it down for fraks sake..

[@joeyfrost89]

I would love to see a video about the Imperial Naval Lancer Class Frigate from Star Wars Legends. A departure from Imperial large capital ship designs in an attempt to combat the use of small fighter attacks.

[@jrosa__]

Im gona re watch this show in full. Now that have finished re watching SGA.