Star Citizen Alpha 3.24 "The Cargo Update" & The Harsh Reality of Star Citizen Updates

Star Citizen 3.24 is upon us, dubbed the cargo hauling update, and it changes everything. But seemingly it came from nowhere. Really, it's just a rebranding of features like persistent hangars, cargo hauling, and inventory updates. But why did this happen? In this video I'll explain the update model, and what's coming in the latest patch.
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[@TheFartanSpartan]

I gotta say, man, Morphologis may have the best quality in-game footage (graphically), but you HANDS DOWN have the best quality videos overall, both in editing, production, and informative content structure. No smoke blown here, just stating fact

[@AJxB]

This

[@H3xx1st]

Also, Morph is a hypocrite re: his actions during the capture the Idris event

[@Shlappy306]

TOES has the best content on SC. No drama, no click bait, just a man doing what he loves and giving us high quality content on the semi-daily. Good vibes all around here, its why I stick around.

[@SpaceTomato]

Thank you. I love the game, it's an inspiration to keep making better showcases of what it offers. Glad you enjoy :)

[@BigSneed404]

One thing I really, really think is underappreciated and misunderstood about the cargo overhaul is that it allows CIG to lean more into the fact that bigger does not always mean better. Right now, the best cargo ship in the game is ALWAYS the one with the most SCU capacity. Period. Full stop. With these changes, however, players also have to consider how easily cargo can be loaded or unloaded, whether the ship has tractor beams, and how secure the ship is during operations. For example, 9/10 cargo traders will tell you that right now the C2 is better than the Caterpillar simply for one reason: it holds bigger crates and more of them. With these changes however, the strengths of the Caterpillar are brought more into play: it has a total of nine ingress/egress points for cargo and multiple built in tractor beams. It's going to be a much, much easier process loading and unloading a Caterpillar compared to loading and unloading a C2. The C2 wins in sheer capacity, but the Caterpillar wins in ergonomics. Now, instead of there being a clear and decisive meta pick, there's arguments to be made for both of them. I think that's a very good thing for the health of the game overall. Pick the right ship for the job. Bigger isn't always better. If the cargo contract doesn't require an entire C2 or Caterpillar, maybe consider a Freelancer MAX or C1 or something else that's more manageable.

[@chrishoppner150]

As an avid space trucker, I've been waiting for this whole thing for years. I'm _very_ hesitantly optimistic. The devil is usually in the details, and CIG suck a lot at stuff like UI/UX, which is crucial for this. And I'm willing to bet cargo in general will be super easy to grief/pirate outside of your hangar, which would just kill the entire thing.

[@BC-vv3ot]

The economy balance is going to be key here

[@CecilIsANerd]

I hope like hell they can make loading/unloading and selling/buying less tedious for the HulL C, right now the dock, sell, undock, unload, dock, buy, undock, load and all the while the loading/unloading we are sitting ducks at stations for 5 minutes each load/unload action, makes it something I tend to avoid when heavy hauling is something I'm really interested in. I own a Hull D :/ I was thinking, there are 2 ways they could solve this issue. 1) either make it so we can call Cargo on coms when we arrive and unload before docking and ultimately selling, then we can sell at the kiosk and buy the next load at the same time - would still require 2 seperate load/unload sessions, or 2) allow us to Sell what we have and buy the next load while still loaded.. then while unloading cargo, it's also loading the next load of cargo, requiring only one unload/load session, even if the times are extended to compensate..

[@hanswurst9866]

Everyone can just steal cargo from a Hull A for example if you buy goods on outposts and the funniest thing is that you cannot even defend your cargo because it's an armistice zone.

[@CecilIsANerd]

@@hanswurst9866 Be nice if they gave a crimestat to the thieves and then also made it so we could draw our weapons and defend our stuff.. This issue needs to be addressed, imho.

[@chrishoppner150]

@@hanswurst9866 that’s just sad lol

[@1x1boop28]

The most important things for me is vibe and stability, with all the new colorful boxes and shapes of cargo and the multiple tiers of tractor beam it this update dilivers on vibe in spades.

[@tethan]

if they made the trolly have a forklift attachment in front so that you can just walk it into the boxes and it picks them up and autostacks it on itself.... And unstacks for you in your ship when you park it there... Then we're talking some serious usefulness!!!

[@Lenartowy]

So far trolley spawns too far back and inside floor so you cannot operate it at all, you will have to load and unload it manually.

[@Roboticus_Prime_RC]

​@Lenartowy can a ship tractor beam move them?

[@realtimbotube]

Do you really expect CIG to make any logical decisions at this point? I don't.

[@tethan]

@@realtimbotube You sound like a member of the starcitizen refunds subreddit lol

[@rolinthor]

CIG: “Best I can do is a forklift that explodes.”

[@nemesis851_]

2:34 I'll never unsee the breaking of achiles heels, as the back of the hover, crush the operator walking. More intelligent would be operator ALSO RIDES with the cargo

[@bakedstreetyt]

it looks completely ridiculous

[@Veladence]

@@nemesis851_ the worse thing is that in the modern day, we have cargo loaders which use machinery to move the loads as we ride it. But in the future, we are the machinery that moves the load.

[@SpaceMike3]

I used to drive forklifts and use manual pallet jacks and more importantly battery powered pallet jacks. They'd eat your ankle if not very careful. When I saw the hover trolley I winced so hard.

[@AccidentalFriendlyFire]

As someone whose career has pretty much been cargo and delivery, I can assure you give hours for something the size of a C2 is actually rather optimistic if you actually worry about things like weight distribution and limits, and the order of deliveries if everything isn't going to one place.

[@SpaceMike3]

I used to drive forklifts and load 40 ft shipping containers. Can confirm. At least we have to deal with products wrapped in cling film by idiots.

[@SpaceTomato]

Oh I bet loading something like the C2 in real life would be a hell of a job on its own! But for a game, maybe some leniency lol

[@tomhuitema2068]

They need to add a game loop where you have to be away from civilization for a while, so you have to know what supplies to load up with before you leave.

[@SpaceTomato]

I think most gameloops will allow for this dynamic as we get into other star systems that aren't as small or populated as Stanton. The starting system is a HUGE standout in the overall universe.

[@omnipresencetv8929]

CH3COOH if we have to wait hours to load a ship they better put functioning arcade mini games in to the verse at starports and space stations just to keep one occupied. I'm waiting for the Skibidi Gooner Patch.

[@AkselGAL]

I thought this delay time is for us filling out custom papers, hazard documents, tax documents....

[@barthsarafinprod]

Great quality and Information as always! Thanks!

[@SpaceTomato]

Thank you for watching!

[@corwyncorey3703]

People who regularly bitch about the quality of updates hitting the PU (as if it were a released game and not an alpha we pay assist in testing, a different issue) have *of course* immediately switched to kvetching about how Chris just draws things out to avoid ever finishing. Amazing how people who cannot code have opinions on how it should be done. I mean, if entitled folks don't have something to complain about, what ever will they *do* with their time? Well done on this, a simple and to the point vid explaining to new and old alike how things go, in the ways it affects players.

[@scottgust9709]

"eventually your vehicles??1!" I thought ground vehicles can be be retrieved in 3.24...thats what their saying in EVO

[@SpaceTomato]

The freight elevator will eventually deliver vehicles, for now it's still the ASOP terminals.

[@cwolfxuk-other]

The showcase of the nightscope reminds me... when you Ping in a ship you get a second of a sort of nightvision. Why not implement a nightvision using the ping effect as a temporary step until they create the version they want? That would make so many so happy.

[@DerpMcDerp101]

These are quality Vids man, nice work.

[@Sarsour_]

Awesome content and take!

[@grandtheftex4852]

Hey Tomato, just want to say I always appreciate your clarity on the state of features, if they are delayed or behind schedule and what to expect from them etc. There's been quite a few times I've come back to Star Citizen only to be frustrated because while the game often appears very impressive the current user experience can often be far from it. You videos get me excited while also setting realistic expectations and allowing me to make an informed decision on when the right time is for me to give it another try. Thank you, you've fast become my go-to for all things Star Citizen!

[@vagabondprime1691]

I love all of this. I have a feeling I'm just going to spend two weeks setting up my hangar and living in it, I do have a giant fishtank that's finally going to see some light, hahaha!

[@Wujiclips]

I stay quite hands off when it comes to the Star Citizen wait, however your videos serve as a fantastic way for me to quickly learn about what's going on. Thanks for that.

[@SpaceTomato]

Just trying to keep the information flowing! Glad you enjoy :)

[@SolarWindsRider]

People can repeating that 3.24 will greatly effect how you play the game. But if you're not doing cargo, the only change in 3.24 is inventory kiosks. I don't do cargo gameplay. I won't use new cargo loading, freight elevators, whatever else they changed. I won't use personal hangar on a planet, because I set spawn point on the space station. And will inventory kiosks change gemplay a lot? Not really, I gear up for the mission on the station, and then just interact with ship inventory or loot boxes.

[@FrenchyTube3]

Oh it’ll greatly effect how you play the game, you’ll have to click 10x more to equip all your gear off those new cool kiosks.

[@SolarWindsRider]

@@FrenchyTube3 I equip it once per several days. I don't care if it will take 30 more secs,

[@Maddock_]

Think of all the new bugs tho

[@daveroles3783]

Yes it will still affect non cargo running gameplay. You have extra steps added for no reason. You have extra bugs. You have extra time spent on things that don't need to have extra steps. You have a worse inventory system. I'm just scratching the surface of the problems this update will bring. I have been saying it for years, everyone wants this, but give it about 2 weeks after this goes live and everyone will hate it.

[@FrenchyTube3]

@@daveroles3783 he doesn’t care if it takes more “secs” though, tedious or not. He only equips once per several days lol.

[@Mcluvin51]

As long as they keep updating and improving the game I'm happy.

[@mayoluck]

Thats the problem bc it will never be done and if so half baked.

[@Mcluvin51]

@mayoluck maybe but for now I'll just enjoy what it is and wait to see where it goes.

[@AceTheFlameSiN]

@@Mcluvin51 That's 100% how I've been viewing this game from the start. MMOs are complex games and SC is attempting to take it to a truly next-gen experience, especially with the backend tech. I'm less concerned with it ever being "done" and just hope they keep making progress

[@Mcluvin51]

@AceTheFlameSiN I think people get hooked into what they promise too much or get suckered into getting the game based off of what is promised rather than what it is, I joined because of what they already have and I'm not expecting them to deliver on anything till server meshing is real and in everyone's hands. People have a right to be angry at them because of how many times they have lied/delayed things but that's not a good way to have fun.

[@jonyngvesyland5461]

thanks space tomato sir that was an okay presentation although i felt the beginning of the video, first two minutes or so was a blunder and it makes me wonder what happened when recording that segment. kudos kudos

[@SpaceTomato]

The first 2 minutes? As in the intro? It looks like in the first two minutes I introduced the update, explained what I'll do in the video, and starting talking about inventory changes. Anything in particular you were confused by?

[@LensNation]

The numbers are definitely for marketing as you said, but if they can bring everything that was shown on CitCon last year into the game, before this years' CitCon, I will call it a win. Server meshing getting in will be a huge step forward. It seems quite shaky at this stage but lets see how it goes.

[@SpaceTomato]

I'll give em till December. Let's see what they can do!

[@LensNation]

@@SpaceTomato Well, you are more lenient than me in that case- couple of months more lenient :) I am not vindictive however we know how long this "Road to Pyro" has been. Very cleverly another year has been squeezed out of it. Love CIG and what they are doing, but it's your, mine and every concerned citizens' duty to keep CIG accountable at certain level- and I know that you know :)

[@SpaceTomato]

@@LensNation Absolutely. I just assumed their 12 month rollout was starting with 3.22.

[@iranouspolaris2035]

Question will the standard Ironclad and Assualt Ironclad will be able to carry tanks drive them on that is why i bought it?

[@hutitch2647]

This was a great breakdown for any that would be confused with what would seem like wishy-washy decision making with regards to the updates and numbering conventions

[@anno-fw7xn]

I cant wait to test out 3.14.1 to test it out! I hope this is enough for curing my SC burnout or maby i wait for 4.0 if we see it this year.

[@jdakiller1017]

I just got into star citizen recently and all I want is for them to have the servers not crash every 10 minutes lmao. Already loving the game and have learned alot but cannot be asked to play atm when Im getting booted after doing like 1 small task

[@2110FSX]

I think the update numbers have more to do with internal development teams than what's delivered, for example, their are several teams working to bring server messing, that includes network teams, game teams, persistence teams and last but not least server recovery teams. All these teams imo will need to collaborate on a functioning build, hence 4.0. So imo the difference between 3.0 and 4.0 is an internal development goal and not necessarily a gameplay roadmap goal.

[@johnst65]

i hope the first focus will be game stability !! Lately the server response has be AWEFUL

[@luka5games308]

I can already see ship/cargo/ground vehicle glitching trough cargo ramp in personal hangar. So can you gram let's say all your armor anad transfer it to station?

[@Tycho-UEE]

Great video, Tomato! I'll be using this video as a link to help others understand 3.24.

[@Janman1988]

I always wonder as a fairly new player: How come so many scence show the "dropdown" F menu and not the radial one? Is there an Option for it, cause I would rather use the often seen dropdown-list like and not the radial menu (I find it to finicky). As always, thanks for ur vids man!

[@GeekyGizmo007]

2:15 I'm glad the autoloading mechanic takes so long. It should be longer and more expensive to autoload so that it incentivizes pilots to hire help to speed it up. It will also justify walking around and seeing the sites of a station to include grabbing a drink or two at the local bar which could lead into running into other players and socializing.

[@g00gleisgayerthanaids56]

@@GeekyGizmo007 that makes sense literally one time, theres nothing to really see or do other than walk around and look at things. Also slowing down the core gameplay loops while still in alpha testing just slows down tester feedback which hinders development in the long run. You really shouldnt have to pay and wait at all during development. Not to mention, walking back and forth unloading cargo is just an unsatisfying gameplay loop. It should honestly be fully automated with a loader droid. When planetary settlements and space stations have more to offer, then all that is necessary is to crank up the load/unload times to encourage players to test out the new features. I do agree that cargo loading shouldnt be instantaneous but implementing that during development is just not healthy for the players which are supporting the game and offering free labor in testing, the least the devs can do is try to keep it as entertaining as possible and keep players/testers engaged.

[@chrisunderhill8853]

Ill be honest i have not paid any attention to this game since 2017. I backed on initial kickstarter and then later picked up a package as well to help further support the dev team. I am looking forward to 4.0 but until then every single piece of this game till final beta is all subject to be completely changed.. Remember its still Early days alpha. even though they are what year 10 or 11 at this point. Its a marathon not a sprint. In my eyes and the way i feel about this project is i hope they take as long as it needs to to get a good beta. the great thing tho in this stage is most of beta will be done by the time they make it to Gold. I have not felt like i need to kick in any more money and i proly wont till the game is in its final and feature complete stage. Over the years they have really made a crap ton of progress. sometimes its hard for many to notice since they are in it every day. but for some one like me that looks at this project from time to time i can seriously see a huge progress Jump. Cheers and thanks for the tomato pasty Update!

[@SpaceTomato]

Yeah, it's absolutely different from when you were following in 2017, that's for sure!

[@russbennett5470]

I’ll be happy when my ship doesn’t randomly explode. Or my character doesn’t randomly catch on fire. Or I just randomly can’t eat or drink….. fuck there’s a lot of bugs

[@justinlawrence8483]

So will this update allow us to pick and use our owned hangars like the revel and york/aeroview etc?

[@SpaceTomato]

Not the ones we got with ships, this is still using the existing hangars, but eventually they'll give us the personal hangars as well.

[@seanc6754]

Well the way the hangers look will be tied to the home you select I believe.. so if you want to fancy hanger I would suggest going to Orison lol..at least for now.. that's where I'll go

[@laidbackbeau]

Your hangar in 3.24 will be the hangar most appropriate for your largest in-game ship at your home location.

[@SVGc1993]

So 4.0 is going to be what we expected for 3.24, and 4.01 is going to be a third of what they announced for 4.0

[@ivokucher3660]

Hey, do you recommend buying one of the packages and playing the game at this current state? I tried the f2p expo session last year and enjoyed it, although it was a bit laggy. I have a much better PC now so I should not have any issues if I do decide to play it.

[@vrutu19]

Its only $45. IMO, get a starter pack as soon as the 3.24 patch comes to open PTU or Live. No other game offers what Star Citizen offers despite all the negatives.

[@Qbertqueso]

I know you're not talking to me but it depends on who you are: -want to get a package and support development, report bugs, test features and give feedback -want to get a package and follow the development but don't have patience for a game in alpha -want to wait further down the line when more features come online

[@anthonygibbons7036]

I can’t even equip my multitool and move boxes - I will revisit again in a years time which sucks because I recently bought my C1 Spirit

[@MrMorrigan1989]

This better makes cargo 400% more profitable if the process is that ridiculous. Thats af if you would have to carry the body of any ERT mission back to the station.

[@larslaufer301]

Wasn't it said that the long loading times where wanted by design? People complained about that back when it was first announced and got yelled down in spectrum and now people realise that its bad? Wow.... I also hope to get rid of the current doll and back to something like before or better something like you showed with Cyberpunk.

[@qutatrongaming]

I can't wait for PTU, as an avid mercenary and loot goblin, I need to test it as soon as possible and understand how to most effectively manage my inventory and earn money from loot.

[@revengexmoon2087]

Typical CIG they make you wait an extra long wait time at first, then reduce it later so they look reasonable. You will then accept a longer grind because it looks like they relented. All designed to reduce credit earning.

[@malismo]

Auto loading taking approx. 30s per SCU is very acceptable. You have to take into account a player needs to be able to beat that time otherwise auto loading will ever be the only option used.

[@womblissimo6666]

So loading a 696 SCU Hercules taking 6 hours is going to encourage anyone to want to play the game? .. 24 hours for a BMM .. 38.4 hours for a Hull C .. and a mere 34.1 DAYS to load a Hull E .. I guess I'll come back and play in a month and 5 days when my ship finishes loading. .. very acceptable - lol. I don't know what times they're using in game right now, but 30s/SCU seems way out

[@DaBestEmperor]

@@womblissimo6666 It encourages group play for larger multicrew cargo ships. Also, it depends heavily on how cargo hauling will be balanced economy wise. The main aspect of dealing with cargo is the logistics behind, not the flying imo. I think this is definitely a step in the right direction.

[@romanj8352]

@@DaBestEmperor Cargo career will suffer greatly the way they are going. It will be cool and fresh for all of two minutes but will become tedious fast unless your a die hard logistician. I hope major changes come from the current testing cause everything that I have seen tells me that it’s gonna kill the game loop.

[@DaBestEmperor]

@@romanj8352 What game loop? The current cargo gameplay is to quantum travel from point A to point B. This actually adds cargo gameplay of some kind.

[@romanj8352]

@@DaBestEmperor While I agree it adds content to the game loop, it’s implementation needs working on if it is suppose to make cargo a viable option.

[@Observer_Custos]

It would be nice if ships got night vision lile those new scopes.

[@jopa_ryds]

Not played the game yet but heard you mention, weight distribution? Is weight distribution a factor on ship handling?

[@vamperic]

Not yet, eventually will be but not in 3.24

[@DistelLafisques]

They're making Death Stranding. I'm pumped.

[@thesilver3794]

The fps items terminal should just be a single click on the terminal then back to the papir doll ui . Its so bad in 3.24. Having to move items - then open drawer- then the old papir doll ui

[@fallingangel13]

thanks

[@hooperj11]

Somebody said on Reddit (sorry, whoever you are, I can't find the comment for proper credit) that the clunky item storage may actually be mostly for performance reasons--the items can just be entries in a database until you move them into the drawer, and don't have to be retained in the server. I'm not a programmer, so I don't know if if that's the case, but it might explain why the intermediate step is needed.

[@fajarn7052]

The skeptical of us would say that they changed it to avoid a one patch year. With all the SM testing and even this cargo & hangar patch, 4.0 for 2024 will be a disaster waiting to happen. CIG for sure want to make it as smooth as possible of transition, so I suspect the waiting games would continue. 3.23 on the other hand, there are many things that could be said about how they go about presenting it. I agree that they will release the patch when its ready, but on the other hand they also insist on it being a part of 3.23 which was already a substantial patch in itself. Now that it wouldn't make sense for a point patch of Q1 update which won't really iterate on what 3.23 brings, they go fk it, 3.24 it is. I wish they would either just do it like that from the start, or keep their words and make it 3.23.2

[@realtimbotube]

Maybe the 1 patch has something to do with them unnecessarily moving their GB studio and infuriating 1/2 their staff in the process. Plus the Job Openings are growing on the CIG website. Lots more to say on this topic. There's many internal issues, and I do not see them being solved, EVER. This is not a negative point of view, it's simply a reality that will be realized between now and the next 6 months by the community.

[@marvinvargas4988]

Does it really matter if they call it 3.23.2 or 3.24 though?

[@805Peej]

​@@marvinvargas4988yeah, no matter how you name it, they still missed a whole bunch of stuff in that patch and had to create another patch to get it in. 3.24 is more accurately named than 3.23.x

[@fajarn7052]

@@marvinvargas4988 in a vacuum its not. Its just a number change. It is more about what they said, and them changing it. If it was trivial, why change it at all? All we have is their words..and it keeps changing whenever the wind blows..

[@thesilver3794]

Likely gonna be used as a sell. Likely gonna be a cargo ship sell whenever 3.24 goes live

[@razalin]

I remember when we had 3.9 and the next patch was about to drop and people were like, "Yea, bring on 4.0!", and then CIG were like, "lol jks... here's 3.10" and then people started flipping tables. CIG love trolling the fans.

[@mlwg9317]

I disagree on the inventory screen. I dont want a modern inventory from a rpg. I want a Kiosk screen and UI that looks and functions like its from a kiosk screen in the future used for item management. I dont want a gamey inventory, thats kind of the whole damn point.

[@saosaoldian6742]

This is going to be painful

[@jonasa81]

Love your videos but you lost my on the numbers part. A picture with timeline of these numbers and highlighting which you are talking about might help. Can’t wait for this patch in combination with star sim (later?)

[@SpaceTomato]

I would do that, but the time it takes just wasn't in the cards right now. I suggest checking out this site! robertsspaceindustries.com/roadmap/progress-tracker/teams

[@jonasa81]

@@SpaceTomato haha np! I was also on the road to work, didn’t had my coffee. Might also be a cause 😅

[@SpaceTomato]

@@jonasa81 Oh, it is a ton of numbers, and if they aren't always in your face it's easy to not follow. But hopefully it somewhat explains the whole idea surrounding them!

[@Lenartowy]

NGL, this is the coolest patch and the worst patch we get. Personally i love the possibility of grinding scrap, delivering it to a space station and when there's a lot of it then take out cargo ship and sell it all. I can see that some people will be angry, mad, disappointed, sad etc. becasue loading big ships from mining outposts will be a lot of pain as their cargo elevators are heavily limited - You will not load Freelancer Max with one elevator. Pirates will be happy i guess.

[@Roboticus_Prime_RC]

The MAX isn't even a big ship. It's on the small end of the "medium freight" class. The C2 and CAT are both medium freight.

[@lancetango15]

I've been a backer since the beginning. I'm a true believer in immersion. However, the direction they are taking the game with hour load times are not going to work for me. I can't invest that kinda time. There has to be a middle ground. Let's find it please before we end up with something dumb.

[@anno-fw7xn]

They already sad that NPC will be abel to hired to load you ship for time and mony so with a littel bit of planing it shuld work. But i hope CIG is respecting players time.

[@ChristoffRevan]

Dude it's Evocati, the numbers NEVER stay the same. This is why I feel like Evo shouldn't have been made public, because ignorant people like you make emotional reactions based off literally nothing

[@decidius111]

this is all great but how about a stable demo so i dont loose all this after hours of play and something bugs out. I love all the cool things but they all never work right and its always so frustrating because you cant play for long because it breaks.

[@SpaceTomato]

Yeah, for now anybody looking for a smooth experience should hold off. Until they can get all these major features figured out, things will be fairly uncertain patch by patch. Hopefully server meshing helps with stability!

[@R173Y]

Can you even put small boxes into bigger boxes?

[@SpaceTomato]

Yes!

[@R173Y]

@@SpaceTomato wait are you saying handheld carry size can go into scu containers?

[@sketto1283]

Such good information! Almost like you know what you're talking about....hehe.

[@SpaceTomato]

Thank you my friend :)

[@0xC47P1C3]

It’s like they forgot it’s supposed to be fun… why the time waster features I don’t get it

[@SpuddyLlama]

Yeyeeeeeeee! I HATED the recent XT because of the sooky buggers crying about the PVPers because this XT had no mission to fight for the XT so people just seen it as a d**k move when really... some people just want PVP and it was a good source of it.. Glad the takeover has the choice for taking either side. :D

[@ericwollaston5654]

Update number issue: this changes how EVERYTHING gets called up - ships to medical pens. I see that as critically important, so don't bemoan the change.

[@TheLoneBirb]

How are you not evo?

[@SpaceTomato]

I was recently given Evo access, but the timing doesn't really work for me to try it out, at least not now while we've been moving.

[@scrap_er]

But do we get cargo on moons, there are no freight elevators...

[@hanswurst9866]

Do you mean outposts? Not every outpost is on a moon.

[@scrap_er]

@@hanswurst9866 yeah, but it doesnt change the question 😅

[@vamperic]

Outposts will have small freight lifts dealing with small stocks as they are intended to be, you wont be using a big hauler for them Outposts will only have manual loading not automatic

[@boukm3n]

Are ORG hangers a thing?

[@kevinmoore9196]

not yet, but almost certainly will be in the future

[@MarkHarpur]

"Party members can access your hangar *even if you're on the other side of the universe*?" Is that still valid in the latest evo?

[@Ace-Brigade]

Are you kidding me? I won't be able to load my vehicles yet?

[@CMDR_Birb]

Never expect CIG to do anything properly. Even UI can't be fixed after 12 years. Expect exploits and greifing.

[@luciddaze248]

It feels like there's more and more maintenance time each patch and less and less time playing the game. I'll try 3.24 but in my experience, moving boxes is as exciting as cleaning my house. SC is gorgeous. I'm just starting to realise I got sucked in by the beauty and missed that we don't have much in common.

[@lordfraybin]

Yeah but.. she looks so good... You can't help but hold out hoping things will change. That's why I keep another game or two on the side. 😊

[@DaBestEmperor]

Well as an industrial player, I greatly look forward to moving boxes.

[@GreatWolfBalistic]

Honestly, the patch names don't matter. Just the content.

[@Zethez]

Confused? Anyone

[@luispedras9560]

o7 The game is impossible to play as it is 3.23 , severs crash the game all the time ! i lost more money with servers than Piracy🤬

[@duramirez]

Sucks that ships like the Carrack, wont benefit from the Cargo stuffs from 3.24 😞

[@parkinsaw]

Sadly the Carrack kind of needs a rework as the cargo loading with it makes 0 sense lol.

[@duramirez]

@@parkinsaw truths but they don't care 😞

[@parkinsaw]

@@duramirez Just give it time eventually they will get around to it (like with the Merchantman)

[@duramirez]

@@parkinsaw ye my grandson will enjoy it 😆

[@Funkm4ster96]

I'm not a fan of the extremely long wait times. I think it should be balanced around a credit sink more so than essentially being locked out of using that ship for potentially an entire game session. I hope we see some more changes on how this works because harsh time gating seems like bad game design

[@zexor98]

Honestly, going through the comments and seeing people complain about load times being to long is actually pretty funny. Basically all it comes down to is *boohoo i cant load 700scu in 2 seconds so i cant crash to economy for everyone else anymore* If anything its justice to us low/medium freight haulers. We might actually be able to sell things now without every place being out of stock to buy/sell

[@SpaceTomato]

People are complaining about load times being long in the evocati phase of the very first patch where this exists. Just the way of things, we'll see how it's balanced!

[@mlwg9317]

its weird some people want to make this amazing immersive space sim-like into a lame gamey arcade game. People scream out loud when things happen in this game...not from anger but the shock of being yanked out if the matrix. Keeping people immersed should be the focus not cheap and easy gamey crap.

[@Reds_Resort]

Sometimes this development feels a bit like twitch plays pokemon. I feel things are getting more robustly and permanently laid down now this year Thats not to everyones taste. The try everything, evolutionary approach with endless budget was going pretty well i thought.

[@SpaceTomato]

Really shows how wild game development can be.

[@Reds_Resort]

@@SpaceTomato no matter what happens it's going to have been one of the most unique and interesting rides in the industry. Sink or swim the documentaries about it will be legendary. 🤣 Thanks for the video dude. o7

[@DiegoMonroyF]

Great video! Star Citizen itself... well, it's a scam, plain and simple. I'm sure some of the gameplay is amazing, but it's wasted +600M USD since 2011 and they're nowhere close to releasing anything official or bug free. I am amazed by how much money it still makes--all with overpromising and underdelivering year by year.

[@antwan1357]

6210 hours space trucking in Elite Dangerous and still waiting for Star Citizen to be a finished product.

[@dronegeeks]

its only been 9 years right, did you see the 46k new ship pack? so stupid

[@mlwg9317]

And you keep waiting until its finished. Games dont get made in a year man. Or 5....

[@mlwg9317]

If you think its done after 10 or even 12....please look up game development. It doesnt get done fast. No idea where people get these expectations clearly plucked from their ass?

[@hawkzulu5671]

Didnt SC and Elite both have their kickstarters in 2012? ... 2 different paths ...one game is still being developed - the other one is finished, in every way.

[@mlwg9317]

@@hawkzulu5671 One game is the most complex ever made, the other is much simpler and took much less dev time...one has massive scope and features, the other doesnt...

[@mhchx3]

"it's supposed to be the last patch before 4.0" how many patches has this been the case now ? How many years I should say ? Anyone wanna bet money with me that there will be a 3.25, another CitCon centered around Pyro and still no Pyro release by the end of the year ?

[@wafflesinsanity]

I think people forget that the C2 is not built for freight. Its a Transport courier, just like the Liberator. It was built for racing teams, mining crews, etc. small org operations with vehicles and necessities for missions. Ships built specifically for freight transport have tractor beams. Examples would be the Caterpillar, Hull series, Nomad, and etc. The 5 hours issue is related to the ships they are trying to load, and peoples misconception that hand held beams can lift 32 SCU containers. The C2, while able to carry 32 SCU boxes literally has ZERO methods of loading them. Hand held beams are temporarily boosted, and it does not gave a tractor beam. That ship and its crew will rely on something like the Argo Tractor to move 32 SCU boxes and will lose some interior space to make that happen unless they have crew willing to fly separately. So yea, filling 696 SCU by hand could take over 87 of the 8 SCU boxes. Or the 5 hours might consist of putting out a request for a local 315 or Argo Tractor (30 mins to an hour) waiting another 30 mins to an hour for an applicant to quantum or fly to that location, and 1-2 minutes per box, which at 87 boxes would be 1,5 to 3 hours... So, 5 hours is fairly reasonable if you pick a size box that local worker and your ship can't load. I would expect the nuance of loading times to change as well. Ships with 1 or more tractor beam positions should have their loading times cut down by the number of beams. There should also be calculations based on ships shape. A ship with 1 door for all loading like a Starfarer should take much longer than something like a C2 with two doors. A ship like the Caterpillar should be MUCH faster due to the ease of access to all loading positions minus the nose. But I am sure CIG already has a plan for all that. As deliveries have been my chosen gameplay loop for years, I cant wait to finally get the next larger step of those missions. Exciting times ahead!

[@wafflesinsanity]

@@captainmurphy2328 Can you pull up that lore? Because I just dug through the brochures and site information and can't find anything about freight... Because it's not freight at all. "It has become the industry standard for racing teams, ship dealers and manufacturers, construction orgs, mining corporations, and even large-scale touring entertainment outfits." But if you can find CIG posted lore on this Transport Courier (same role as the Liberator) being designed for Freight (a different mission set) I would love to be corrected.

[@captainmurphy2328]

now since i googled it, the c2 is a dedicated large cargo ship stated by cig so no people didn't forget. CIG has said in old videos that the c2 is a large cargo hauler for freight

[@captainmurphy2328]

@@wafflesinsanity on the brochure it says the c2 has 156 extra space for limitless freight. it states the m2 is the dedicated vehicle hauler

[@captainmurphy2328]

@@wafflesinsanitythat's why I replied. for anyone who sees this m2 is dedicated military vehicle transport ship. the c2 is the dedicated cargo/freight hauler. the A2 is a dedicated gunship with bombs, but all Hercules Star lifters can move vehicles. thats why you will always see players moving cargo in c2 vs the M2/A2

[@arcakahn]

Dude what’s a tomato talk?

[@jasonfrost5025]

What a disaster.

[@bones3915]

This update is for the pirates.

[@Atljeepboy]

Yeah who is going to wait hours to load your ship? I'd just log out and play another game.

[@DaBestEmperor]

Then load it yourself? OR use a different ship in the meantime. Smaller ships with shorter loading times? Largescale cargo is not meant to be done by a single person.

[@harry3282]

lol... Star Tetris (except Tetris is much faster).

[@itcanbesoo]

99.9% this patch breaks everything and doesnt work at all :D

[@Atljeepboy]

@@itcanbesoo you say that like it EVER really worked. Lol

[@itcanbesoo]

@@Atljeepboy you're right

[@stevemac3752]

Whoever thought loading your own cargo would be fun? Would be a pain in the ass in real life so why would I want to do it in a game?

[@mlwg9317]

Hire people to do it....thats been the idea

[@michaelgiertz-rath7994]

After 11 years ... nothing shocks this backer anymore. Also after all these years: we were talking about physicalized cargo and the need to load/unload your ship either by yourself or pay someone doing it, is really, really old talk. I mean, if I remember correctly, we talked about this in the old RSI forums before they got shut down for Spectrum. 2024 is finally a great year for any backer, old and new alike. We finally got a solid base to work with. Client stability is good, despite few CTDs at distribution centers (for me, at least). Server performance is still degrading over time, so every new patch comes with fresh servers and great memories. After a couple of weeks the servers are back to single digits at best and non-responding at worst. I doubt CIG will get that one fixed until they got all core techs in place, including janitor NPCs cleaning up clutter and wrecks. We also get tons of new features with each patch, all of them impactful. The game itself turns more and more into a systematic experience with every patch CIG provides. We'll get physicalized cargo today, tomorrow we might get factories, using raw materials and spewing out useful stuff. In a year we might no longer get ships from an ASOP terminal and it magically appears, but we might have to pay someone to move it to our place. Not only will this cost some money, but also some time. Instead of watching 10 minutes to tick down, I go back to a bar and listen to random NPCs. Someone tells his buddy something about an abandoned freighter on Yela, near the southern pole. Later I'll give it a shot and scan for the freighter - et voila! There it is. Full of precious cargo. No one nearby to be seen, so I start picking clean that freighter. Another hour later I return to the very same bar. The two NPCs are also present and still talk about their "secret" freighter: someone has cleaned it out and now all they have is a worthless carcass of a freighter. I mean, that's gonna be fun, right? Best 10 minutes spent instead of waiting for some unseen NPC to deliver your ship. That's what I kinda expect from Star Citizen. A massive sandbox, systematic driven personal stories no one else has, because another guy may walk into the bar but no one talks about that freighter, but perhaps about an heist at Jumptown ...

[@laidbackbeau]

💯

[@RecklessFables]

2024 is the year they finally implement the things many of us argued against doing in the old forums because people who have actual lives don't want to spend hours of realtime on rudimentary tasks. They sold us the Weekend Warrior package with a commercial that implied going out to get ice cream would be an exciting adventure involving pirates.

[@sneakyfildy]

This is some serious hopium

[@CptFugu]

I am liking this game less and less as it nears completion. There are so many "features" designed to slow down the player and waste our time.

[@SingleTrack66]

He’s talking about realistic cargo hauling. Surely the “sitting in the pilots’ seat as you travel a long distance” is the biggest time waste. And if the profession were to be reduced to just this then you might as well go play Elite.

[@CptFugu]

@@SingleTrack66 Damn. That's not a bad idea.

[@kennyknapp5531]

I do not want to have a second job playing a game. With how long things will take how expensive things will get all this "game" is doing is making us have to play for so long just to do the simplest tasks. Who wants to get off a long job and say, "Oh yeah, let's go work for hours in a game just to get ready to leave the base?

[@SpaceTomato]

If you view the cargo hauling as a second job, don't do it? Better yet, use the auto loading feature like we are already doing. If you none of the other game loops are simple enough, I'd try Arena Commander which is specifically made for people with less time.

[@hwgusn]

With every update the game becomes less of a game and more of a job. CIG has lost sight of the idea of video games being fun.

[@positronikiss]

Agree. I uninstalled :(

[@DaBestEmperor]

Its a sim. And how does adding more gameplay make it less of a game?

[@ChristoffRevan]

Uh, for one "fun" is subjective... secondly, the game is being developed as a life sim MMO in a scifi universe. For some reason people like you thought they were building a flight/physics combat game, but the only reason we have a combat focus now is because of them porting content from Squadron 42, which is the single play action shooter game.

[@tadstertrolley7770]

Why are CIG trying to force game play, in what could be an awesome game they are making it overly complex, and if it's overly complicated by stupid little time wasting stuff, new players will give up day one.

[@mariusbuys5355]

SC loves making the game harder and less enjoyable to play, in the end it just wastes my time

[@TheGlassSword]

I never expect stability, only surprised when it is so BRING IT ON!!! Also confirmed I’m so happy party members can access their inventory and call up via freight elevators in personal/instanced hangers very handy

[@sirbonobo3907]

So many Things they implemented are Not working right i have No doubt this Game will for ever be a Buggy mess

[@MMDesign1]

I cant wait for this to hit live. I know people love to bitch about this game but whatever the reason its currently not finished and its super frustrating to complaining about something you're creating before its even done. Its like mixing some eggs and flour together and having someone bitching at you because you aren't making the chocolate chip cookies you promised because they don't see any chocolate chips. Also, I need that cargo guild jumpsuit. NEED.

[@mynameisray]

Honestly they are moving in the direction of destroying the game.. The only game loop that will be left is pvp. No one is going to take minutes to hours to load a ship only for some pad ramming clown to destroy it all. It's already bad enough to lose a load that is loaded instantly.

[@SpaceTomato]

They are moving towards the game they've promised for a decade. If they didn't do this, it'd be a terrible insult to the people who joined when they laid out their plans. Here is a 2015 document on the plans all along. It's unfortunate this information isn't as commonly known, but if this means less people play the game, I appreciate they are sticking to their vision regardless. robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/engineering/14677-Design-Notes-Cargo-Interaction

[@lagaffe91]

I just hope the multitool will get severely nerfed in the future. I WANT to use the trolleys !

[@SpaceTomato]

It will! They have the mass rating boosted for now, but we'll have more need for other tools at some point!

[@vamperic]

4.0 the hand held tractor beams will use up batteries

[@Roboticus_Prime_RC]

Really, the autoload timers are the most egregious part.

[@kushnkanopy8940]

physical kiosk means more clicks and longer choir i tried it when i try to access the item i want after doing all physical stuff it still the same old UI when getting items inside the ships its a downgrade

[@vamperic]

Bring it on! LOGISTICS AT LAST Amazes me that even long term backers seem to be clueless to what SC is about and is working towards...CIG have talked about it for years but some people just seem to want to ignore it (Shrug) Stuff like this is what I kickstarted for

[@chrishoppner150]

My experience with the community in general is that everyone has a different game in their head and just talk about it as if it was fact.

[@Qbertqueso]

They get caught up in the now. They don't take CIG at their word, maybe a combo of getting tired of the pace of development or being pessimistic about CIG being able to deliver.

[@HershelStimsQuA]

Ahh, yes. "The Pirate Patch", with a dash of gatekeeping on top. You can have my spot in GII, Im out.✌

[@vamperic]

@@HershelStimsQuA How many patches have been dubbed "the pirate patch" which turned out to be bullshit? Alot of them Stating facts about what CIG have said what they want SC to become year after year isn't gatekeeping sorry to burst your bubble