Star Citizen 4.0 Is Almost Here - The Road To 1.0 | Launch Sequence Podcast

We’ve waited years for Star Citizen 4.0, and even now the update is not technically in our hands. But there are reasons to believe the next update is the vaunted server meshing update, and we may see it this summer according to a new roadmap update. But what’s included, and why is this the first major version change to Star Citizen since 2017. I’m joined by Star Citizen streamer Xerostate to discuss the update and its place in the journey to release.
Today’s Guests:
XeroState
Twitch - / xerostate
KZbin - / @xerostatelive
Twitter - / xerostate
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00:00 Introduction
04:30 4.0 Is Finally Here
13:40 Other MMOs and Star Citizen
32:00 The Pyro System
43:20 Is 4.0 Looking Good Enough So Far?
57:20 Star Citizen Design Changes
01:24:55 What Comes Next?
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[@TheRealNimble]

Finally has reached a point where all the friends are hopping on and playing. only up from here i think.

[@ChrisR395]

I've told my friends to get on it after 4.0 releases. I'm waiting very eagerly.

[@indivestor]

1 year away from this

[@robynfooks4865]

It's definitely the first time in... years where I logged in to check the new build out and actually felt like there will actually be something there with in 2-3 years.

[@Vitonezz]

I dont think we are there yet, we still got elevators not working, weird things happening at hangars. Like a friend of mine bought the 325a and when he lands and open the ship door, the ship is floating high in the sealing. Really weird. He gave up already. So yeah, lets wait another year before bring normies in.

[@herbv3449]

same with my friend group , we are having a good time

[@munkan9435]

About the medical ships and respawning. If you have two orgs fighting over jumptown and they both have a respawn ship parked at a distance. What is stopping one org from trying to kill the others med ship? Wouldn't that make the combat less of a war just on juptown but also a fight over respawns. People will have to protect the ship, wouldn't they? Plus, the ship would need to be able to keep the freshly spawned people equipped. All this sounds like a lot of people having jobs to do other than fps and stopping bombing runs. Sounds a lot more fun to me.

[@robertseymour1432]

yeah exactly, respawns are only good if you pay upfront costs to carry extra equipment to equip after respawn

[@Qwarzz]

I see this only as a good thing. Reminds me of the Undying Mercenaries book series.

[@mjss88]

This is exactly like Planetside 2. You bring your spawn vehicle to an enemy base, and the battle is both taking the base and protecting your spawn, while the other faction is defending and trying to destroy your spawn. Really good gameplay.

[@terencespragg5708]

I think you would treat that respawn ship as you would a king in a medieval battle you would protect it and as for the respawn injury it may not fix it depends on its tier. So best to have multi c8r to go to space to dock with larger ship with higher tier beds.

[@geradov2013apk]

I think the respon change would add to the war style to fighting. A lot of logistics come into play with capturing a point away from natural spawns. Being forward deployed, orgs have to be good on being properly equipped with weapons, armor, personnel, & supplies. Balancing attacking, defending & bleeding out another orgs logistical resources with big org on org fights will flesh out these big fights for places.

[@thezeke8510]

"in freedom units" He means to the power of the declaration of independence

[@indivestor]

Xerostate - I subbed man - You speak a lot of sense.

[@XeroStateLIVE]

NONsense mostly, but o7

[@mjss88]

There are so many things the could do for new/starting players in the landing zones: having “gang” hideouts to go do some fps (which requires you to get kitted out). Once the freight elevator comes in that will be a whole new world of possibilities. “Hey, here’s a ship if you repair it” so you have to buy components, call them into your hanger, use them to repair your ship. There’s a LOT they “could” do, it’s just if they realize or have the will to do it.

[@aennaenn7468]

Eve online has these really great mission pages called the activities tab where it separates things into the different careers, mining, combat, exploration, industrial. And the mission includes where to go and how to do it at a base introductory level. And they're usually a series of missions that go into the deeper parts of whatever those careers are. So we could have something similar that isn't necessarily the tutorial, but it's a. If you're interested in getting into this particular gameplay style, you can sign up for these. And they're repeatable. So if something changes they can update the missions to reflect the new mechanics or if you've just not done it in a long time, you can refresh your memory.

[@AlarienEvenstar]

It shocks me how many people don't recognize how close Sea of Thieves and SC are.

[@Rob-lt6gb]

I'll be very interested to see how they're able to push the AI forward with server meshing and what that allows. It's obvious that they're super limited right now and doing their best to squeeze out as much as possible out of the servers, often to their detriment. For me, if they get the AI / server performance sorted in 4.0, I'll be happy for additional gameplay to be added in .x patches after that.

[@AccidentalFriendlyFire]

DDO, LOTRO... You've got part of my MMO history there. It's extensive. ESO, SWTOR, PlanetSide 2, and Fallout 76 are all currently installed, along with the former two. :-) And that last one is an example of an MMO with buildable bases other players can interact with. My personal C.A.M.P. has creating stations open for public use, as an example.

[@malismo]

Was a great talk, gentlemen. Was also a fun time in the chat :).

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

Love seeing ya in chat!

[@Wh1terider]

I just realized they talked about individual players and the concept of them being able to create missions. This could be very healthy and idea generating for the Narrative Team. That's got to be valuable to them.

[@TUROCK320]

SOLO players are a part of SC on Spectrum. It is very complicated to have an Alpha game with SOLO / PvE / PvP player base x)

[@wraith511802003]

Yes, you put out a beacon for combat support, medvac, transport from one location to another. An many other things in the future.

[@Tsudico]

@@TUROCK320 I'm not sure that solo play would prevent player created or initiated missions. I think when people think of player created missions PvP missions like bounties or similar are thought of first and may be the only thing they can think of but I don't think that needs to be the case. For example, someone could post a delivery mission of certain ship components from the purchase site to their home station. The contract doesn't need to force interaction between the players for the delivery to be completed successfully. How many players would prefer things to be delivered instead of having to go get everything from each location themselves?

[@skewty]

And a contract system for "hired help" (somewhat have this already with refueling) (example on a Reclaimer) that does the math according to an agreed upon rate. Cargo is tagged with meta of owners (listing) and it cannot be materialized.. only sold. when sold, it goes to proper owners at agreed upon rate. Pirated cargo is lost. Lost / pirated cargo is taken out of pilot's bank or becomes debt owed.

[@StevenTheGeek]

Aside from mission giving, definitely high value passenger transport could get people back to the planetside. From planet to planet or planet to orbiting station will cause tons of traffic. Especially if high risk NPCs have to get out and wait for another transport at orbiting station. You'll be able to spy on what ship they get on for a hijack mission outside of security. Like Garindan from Star wars at Mos Eisley spotting the Millenium Falcon

[@ralaxgaming]

Re: Xerostate No bounties in Pyro. They could still do bounties in Pyro but faction based depending on your rep with the different gangs.

[@jedi_drifter2988]

IMO Different levels of gameplay will be linked to different systems. My idea of endgame, which really isn't, because there is none in SC, would be pushing out the Vanduul from one of their established systems and rebuilding it, starting new trade, bases etc. This will be the most rewarding in UEC, but will come at a high cost since you will need Keep/defend It. You will need really good rep. to get the best ships and players to complete the task. The more dangerous the system, the higher level of experience and reputation you will need.

[@alejandrotroche6381]

Aaccess to the frontier of coding can't have a due date but a high price. Most people look to undestand the surface as a way to handle the uncertainty of shared space awareness (MMO). Access to this experience is so unique, imersive and familiar (to the players dreams and expectations). Star Citizen requires a shared space/time awareness to overcome it's current challenges.

[@troyalessi]

MY SOLUTION TO RESPAWNING/D.O.A.S.M. If I were designing 'death of a space man', I'd implement as such: Lore: combine the sci-fi of Altered Carbon and The Sixth Day: (Altered Carbon's) 'Sleeves' that can be your new body upon respawn, but (like in The Sixth Day) they have the 'memories' that carry injury forward. Gameplay: 1. Your 'LOCAL' bodies/sleeves are finite, which can be stored in ships/medical vessels. This creates a logistical gameplay loop to consider, and players will be mindful of how many lives they have (as a pool; which affects group gameplay; and plays similar to many PvP gameplay modes on the market where 'game over' occurs when there are no more 'sleeves' to pull from in storage). Sleeves can have an economy built around them and their availability. 2. 'Memories' would 'mentally carry-over' Tier 1-3 injuries and how they affect your new body/sleeve (like in The Sixth Day), wherein your body is technically brand new, but there is a brain connection to your previous body that makes you think you still have a certain injury. This would be time based, and it can be affected by medical gameplay systems; like being able to do a physical rehab exercise to speed things up, or to apply some cognitive test to speed up the recovery of the injury carry-over. 3. When there are no more bodies/sleeves in local storage to pull from, you get redpawned where your DNA was stored (like is already in the game). IMO, this wouldn't tax the dev teams to much for implementation, and it fits within a reasonable space of science fiction that has logic, weight, and consequence to it. Let me know if yall agree, or if it doesn't make sense to how you'd prefer gameplay. ✌️

[@RD-qn4gt]

Good perspective Xerostate!

[@HappyHungrySleepy23]

All they need to do for respawning is add some kind of "respawn juice". Make it something that needs to be collected or grown. Bing bang boom fixed

[@Biggerfoot]

They can’t make money off that so they won’t ,

[@HappyHungrySleepy23]

@Biggerfoot respawn juice, replacement limbs etc, could be sold as a feature of science ships lol

[@Biggerfoot]

@@HappyHungrySleepy23 no one wants that in this game seriously not one person yea if you own do pve that might be a thing but if they can’t make money off of it it won’t be added into the game it’s why there arnt jet packs or parachutes or new weapons , or things that work as intended for that matter

[@HappyHungrySleepy23]

@@Biggerfoot I don't agree with you, but to each their own

[@vorpalrobot]

This is planned but not implemented. They are absolutely gonna have respawn juice

[@jamwheelgaming2543]

Star Wars Galaxies had a great player built towns mechanic that was great. People made it their home. They built shops in them, and they were great to visit. Something along those lines would be great.

[@Haegemon]

I think the game is intended to have a fluid gameplay through systems. Pyro will become a kind of hideout for unlaws and there will become the main workplace for bounty hunters while pirates will move to Stanton to find good loot and then retreat to Pyro with their treasure. When there is a thrid system I doubt the caravan of goods is passing through the gate of Pyro byt from the gate rhar comes from a safe system while Stanton will be less secure so pirates will have their chances there.

[@bloodstoneoperator5372]

A lot of great ideas and important conversations. Once again I hope devs see this and run with it.

[@llillian4055]

Great discussion!

[@caractacuspotts680]

Great talk with a lot of insights. As far as respawns in a C8X at Jump Town, there will be people just looking for medical ships or vehicles to blow up. If you die, you will suddenly find yourself back at a landing zone. Plus, the logistics are not all that easy. You park 2 KM away and respawn, and then run all the way back to JT? That will get old quick. Medical vehicle respawns don't worry me at all. o7!

[@Sarsour_]

Awesome discussion and content!

[@The-Rusty-Pigeon-Gamingchannel]

Very good chat guys 👍🏻👍🏻. I hope 🤞🏻 CIG will have a look 👀 at the points you are talking about. There are a lot of good things that everybody wants in game and how the game would be in the future 🙌🏻😃 again thanks 🙏🏼

[@0Metatron]

Richard Tyler talked about how all the game loops are going to be webbed together and become part of a meaningful mesh and the whole game’s success hinges on that IMO. Hopefully we will get to a place where players playing different game loops will have to start relying on each other and a necessity for player interaction on from an org level to the individual player level is created.

[@LucidStrike]

That's one of their considerations in designing each system: Because the complexity of each of these PARTS can compound as a WHOLE, they have to be careful how complex each part is. Otherwise, it becomes too difficult to ensure a consistently MANAGEABLE player experience.

[@0Metatron]

@@LucidStrike what I mean is: Take a mining commodity for instance. You need this commodity in order to craft a rare military component from a blueprint (which you loose every time your ship explodes so you have to craft many as backup) but hopefully the shops won’t sell this commodity in great volume and we will have to rely on players either selling to a station that we can buy from or buying direct from players who like mining for it. Just one example of how a PVP org could build relationships with a mining org

[@Platinumsniper]

I personally don't care for Pyro being added.... I might go there once or twice. I care for what it symbolizes and the future systems that will be added.

[@xXE4GLEyEXx]

This update pulled me back in so hard that for a solid two weeks now I pretty much only play Star Citizen... Cant bet enough of it >

[@MidnightWolfSDJ]

I said this on SaltEMike’s stream and I will say it again here (not that I disagree with anything y’all said in this video but more directed towards the community in general), but I don’t think CIG should have to change how they want to present a new ship. Yes the timing was probably not the best due to the new change to respawn; however, people are just as guilty with reading into things as CIG is bad with time/timing itself. The “Nursa” ad was meant to be a corny in lore advertisement of the vehicle as if the vehicle was a new real vehicle back in the late 90s-early 2000s. The focus in the ad was supposed to be on the vehicle itself; not a mechanic that isn’t even mentioned in the video. Just like in real life the ad was meant to curve the truth about a product for the purpose of sales/hype. The video had nothing to do with the DOASM mechanic, yet people read so much into everything that they go immediately to the extreme. Look at the old way videogame announcements were to the public. The communities of games had to scratch the bottom of the barrel to get any kind of information out of a company about a new game. They even complained about lack of information many of times. Now we have a gaming Company that is so transparent (I would argue overly transparent) they provide almost weekly updates and info dumps on all things Star Citizen in the form of ISC and SCL. We have hours upon hours of information laid out in front of us, but as a community get into an uproar about one little in-game advertisement that has nothing to do with a future game mechanic. Why ignore the hours of information and listen to an ad about something completely different? We need to be better than this as a community. We need to get out of the scratching the barrel mentality that old game development has programmed us to think. Habits are hard to break so I’m not saying we all change over night. But we all need to just learn to trust CIG when it comes to changes like the respawn mechanic. We need to remember this game is still considered Alpha and literally everything is subject to change or be temporary fixes to make something better with current mechanics, until other mechanics come online.

[@zawadlttv]

"like an asteroid" you can even land on asteroids without bouncing off by now...

[@TimothySnowman]

(Regarding the nUrsa Med-Bed debacle) On the one hand, I agree with CIG being more consistent in their messaging across different mediums, but on the other hand, I really like in-fiction advertisements being just that: advertisements. Like, I'm not going to trust everything I hear on an ad in real life just like I'm not going to take an in-fiction ad in SC as gospel for game mechanics. I think Helldivers 2 is the perfect example of this. That game puts clearly-false information in front of the player as propaganda all the time. Granted, that's very clearly the tone of the game, and it's generally done in a tongue-in-cheek manner. However, I don't think the nUrsa commercial should be getting harped on as much as it is.

[@JackMelqart]

i dont know.. all the MMO's i played, there was an initial story line and then it was mostly about getting into a guild and do stuff for the guild, do dungeons, or territory wars, ect..

[@leoncantwelliii7946]

If you want more people to "hire other people as crew" we need some way of rating people and leaving reviews. For both the crew and the person putting out the hiring contract. If your a terrible boss and get a bad rating, people will know to avoid working for you. Or if your a crazed murder hobo who just wants to cause issues for what ever crew you join, I do not want you anywhere near my ship. Currently you roll the dice any time you try to get random people to crew up. I would just rather fly solo than risk having my time wasted by somebody else who decides to be a chaos gremlin because they're bored. The only crew I fly with currently are people I'm friends with irl and it'll stay that way until we have some way of weeding out the problem people before we group up.

[@theg0z0n]

I'm pretty sure Xerostate hasn't heard of the BMM and Privateer. He's wanting to make an auction house, which would negate a large portion of that gameplay... Being a store in a major landing zone.

[@Platinumsniper]

I would like them to do a new design brief on Medical and DOASM. Like they did for Cargo and Engineering

[@Spidder81]

Cant wait for 4.0 to hit LIVE, also looking forward to start testing Pyro in EVO and onwards. Honestly, once they got Pyro in, server mesh and rep layer working as intended and jump points working, we can get other systems in faster.

[@ChrisR395]

Agreed. I'm hoping for Pyro by the end of August and Nyx by Citcon. After that, one system per update - but I'd be okay with 2-3 per year. It's time to see the scale of this game ramp up.

[@ratedxvn]

@@ChrisR395 Damn, I need whatever they put in your cereal this morning...

[@TUROCK320]

😂 GOD speed budies

[@Killingblaze]

In a game with near instant coms a physical quest giver you are required to go to in person is forcing you to go to a location.

[@Killingblaze]

My concern is, as stated most people are solo PvE players, solo players don’t want their gaming interrupted by people blocking their access to another system. They will accept it from time to time but if it is all the time then those players won’t play

[@Haegemon]

The game ha its own rules and those can make it diificult to not be bothered. Pyro is not intended to be a comfortable place for easy travel. The PVE elements of the game can be used like a valve to control PVP. Let's say Pyro becomes a pirate base, the paradise for crime, there isn't law nor "police"" NPCs are just gangs that attack everybody but their friendlies, there isn't so many valuable goods in Pyro but the treasures that pirates steal, so pirates have to attack in Stanton using their foothold near Crusader, but stanton has law enforcement and NPC fleets patrol the area. Bounty Hunters have to sneak into Pyro to locate and capture the suspects which are hidding in Pyro and bring them back to where they are claimed, while mercenaries can join the local enforcement of Stanton to twart pirate activity, and pirates can join the gangs from Pyro to do assaults on Stanton commertial routes.

[@Mindbulletz]

I think the Nursa release timing goes back to them trying to release ships with gameplay. Like, they thought this is what we wanted. But the fact that they also positioned themselves to capitalize on it made it a little sleazy.

[@Greeniecake]

Pyro is gonna be crazy!!!

[@indivestor]

craaaaaayzeeeee

[@BernhardMarchhart]

No spawnsuits in the ursa and the problem is solved. Storage is so smal these days so after 3 respawns you can go naked. So the motto is: die .... get your corps back maybe..... and reorganize then you have a new chance. No chance you can run 30 times to jumptown even not in a C2.

[@shmayazuggot8558]

I suspect UEE will be hard core in Stanton when 1.0 hits.

[@toddsidney]

Excited for 4.0 and Pyro. I think it’ll be a huge boost to the general interest in Star Citizen.

[@R1PPA-C]

This is how folk felt many many years ago with things like mining .....and other features that were supposed to stir the pot. I've just removed SC last night after testing 3.23 from wave one and hitting live ....its just something I don't have the time for anymore ..... everything I write about the project is the same old, same old, then I find myself literally hours down the drain and frustrated as hell. I'll wait for 3.23 x with hangars, try for a few mins, become bored , remove the game, then maybe Come back at 4.0 and be prepared yet again to leave Pretty quickly ....also I'll make sure to watch the very few genuine creators that are actually reporting on the game in it's entirety , not just cherry picking nor giving out biased fluffys to keep the brainwashed cult members clicking and subbing. All whilst making cig feel like all is fine all is OK, we don't need to change anything , look at all there beautiful comments from our cult of bootlickers, 'keep it broken guys we're still earning money '..... It also pains me to see all these new players in game chat all witnessing first bang the state of the damn thing, and mainly down to these cratores hud winking them into buying a copy with their uploads which literally hide 2/3 of this utter garbage fest

[@GalaxyEdgeStudios]

@@R1PPA-C Comparing adding a singular gameplay loop to an alpha that up until now - didn't even have a guarantee that you wouldn't lose all your stuff and get sent to the other side of the universe because the server 30k'd - to server meshing being implemented which will mean consistent server FPS and functioning AI is so incredibly disingenuous that I don't even fully know how to respond. 3.2.3 was the first step towards turning SC from tech demo to "actual playable game", 4.0 is the next step in that line. SC is not a "main game" currently unless you find a specific thing to do that really hooks you and you're okay with a shitload of bugs, and it probably won't be for a long while. If that puts you off wait until 1.0 and save yourself the frustration that is inherent in alpha testing. Note that I'm not making any value judgements on the length of the development process or "what the game should be after x amount of years" because that's a very different discussion.

[@R1PPA-C]

@@GalaxyEdgeStudios the issue is, even if they did eventually start learning how to dev properly, there's no real game here and I can't see one happening any time soon... .I've been a backer since day 1 and along with many other OG's that have sadly left or more likely passed away ...bugs and optimisation aside ...theres not really a lot going on, it's a good tool for me to start feeling tired after half an hour or so, maybe I shouldn't have uninstalled it...instead just keep a copy next to my bed instead of taking sleep meds. The ambitions were too high, they sapped the life out of what could have been the greatest game ever, but it's one big convoluted mess of unconnected and very broken loops with no direction , it's s shame and I hope that when I come back in a few years they've sacked every single one of the management, Chris Cloberts has finally been given a gagging order to stop his meddling and just hopefully there will be a big open server meshed world with many many different game mechanics, systems and quanta is finally in game and working and fingers crossed it does what it says on the tin < everything I'll keep waiting but I'm doubtful, till then o7

[@wraith511802003]

@@R1PPA-C You tin foil hat low tier trolls all have the same script.

[@shippy1001]

@@wraith511802003 Just wait and see, I truly doubt 4.0 will be available in 2025, also keep in mind, we had a 7 months from 3.22.3, to 3.23.0, now 3.23.1, Chris Roberts himself said that "Hopefully" they can get 3.23.4 by the end of the year, which means 12 months plus or minus 2 months, to get 1 patch. All the while 4.0 has dozens of features, pretty sure SC will release 2-3 of those "features" and call it 4.0.0, than 4.0.1, 4.0.2 and so on... You can`t lower the bar when you are about to fail and call it a success, but that`s what CIG been doing for the past 11 years of development.

[@nephrium]

After 4.0 I want to see stability become paramount. When I get up in a ship I should not be shot into space. Rail systems shouldn't drift at 1000mph through a building. Dropping an item shouldn't mean it has 50% chance of going through the ship/planet. All missions should work 99% of the time. Stability. Stability. Stability. Stability. Stability. Stability. Stability. Stability. Stability. Stability. Stability. Stability.

[@Tsudico]

I think CIG will be able to better control stability once they have the dynamic mesh in place and they will try to get to the dynamic mesh as soon as they can. They might need to have the static mesh to collect data on server performance metrics with different player loads and server entity counts so they can create the rules defining when to split servers and how best to do so. Once they have sufficient information, if they can move to dynamic they will because it will allow them to focus on stability.

[@michu1247]

I think game the closest to star citizen is gta V It has single player version and a multi player version like squadron 42 and Star Citizen. Goal is to do some gameplay loops to grind money for new vehicles. And Its open pvp sandbox.

[@texnorthman]

There needs to be a tutorial, in AC. Elite did this well where you have a selection of training missions you can do that teach you most of what you need to be able to play the game, but it wasn't in the game itself so you weren't risking anything by getting it wrong or messing up.

[@TUROCK320]

No time for this budy. Élite IS a game. SC is a démo or a feature x). But yes a tutorial for each job should be good, it IS classical. Hf

[@SgtHack802]

I have a great idea for CIG! Fix the bugs in the game before adding anymore!!!!

[@rock2k14]

I don't think Pyro is going to be as bountry free to pirates as you think, after all they aren't going to give Pyro without the rep system, and these different factions hate eachother, they're definitely going to put bounties out on eachother and people working with those opposite factions.

[@Tainted-Soul]

the sale of stuff is a great idea along with delivery eg I would like a F66 someone has one. I buy they ship it so a delivery mission is issued so another player then pick the package up and delivers it to your home base / city it turns up in your local inventory. of they want to save cash they pick it up themselves LOL

[@kishkin8743]

Sadly, SC is as wide as an ocean and as deep as a thimble. I can't wait for them to focus on anything other than combat. That is the only way for the game to get from pre-alpha to alpha.

[@LucidStrike]

Tbf, it also has more depth to its mining than most every other game and definitely more immersion.

[@surject]

What does Xero think about the MM flight & combat ?

[@r3vak216]

Microtap Syrup, coming to a space port near you

[@RazSkull673]

If SC does not have PVE where we needs multiple capital ships plus swarms of fighters to achieve an objective I would be very upset.

[@Tsudico]

Just to be sure I understand this correctly, do you think that multiple capital ships plus swarms of fighters should be able to be commanded by a solo player or are you suggesting that there should be cooperative experiences with multiple players against a common foe?

[@SolarTara]

Just thinking about SC (off topic from the video) But like in the future to they plan on having players carry many on their person? So players can get robbed or you can get money off killing people? idk just a thought

[@-DarkFox-]

Pyro "crime" will be met with justice from factions, I believe.

[@HappyRBOB]

would be awesome if you could eventually take a job as a solo engineer on an NPC operated ship.

[@metacube9913]

Ngl the currently announced stuff in the 4.0 patch seems really underwhelming Can't wait to do bunker missions in Pyro

[@yous2244]

True, still just tech and no gameplay

[@wraith511802003]

Pyro was a very exciting experience for players who got a taste in the EPTU. New dangers, new places to explore, a lot larger than Stanton. Alot more places to get in to trouble.

[@metacube9913]

@@wraith511802003 There's literally nothing "dangerous" in those places lmao, it's the same bullshit as Stanton

[@Xenon676]

When are they going to allow. People to post items. That they wish to sell?

[@Duncan275]

Id rather have the craigslist trading. It creates more dynamic situations. I get they are scary, thats what adds the gravity

[@captainnewton4618]

When will VR be supported

[@jgrizz7943]

@xerostate & SpaceTomato Pirates will be where ever Cargo is. If cargo is in Pyro then there will be Pirates. If cargo is in Stanton then there will be Pirates. This is not Rocket Science.

[@UnderdogSMO]

there wont be an auction house because that is entirely the space of the Banu Merchentman and Barter ships

[@XeroStateLIVE]

Until last week, respawn was going to be locked to T1 beds 👀 ya never know. but yeah BMM would be cool to use in that scope for sure.

[@Haegemon]

​​@@XeroStateLIVE This is just temporary. It will be tweaked further down the line, they are just testing now due to the current state of the game, because with this decision made pointless some of their spaceships, the big hospital ones.

[@freelancerthe2561]

@@XeroStateLIVE I don't think you understand the ramifications of this. It was pretty common in Korean MMOs in the early 2000s to have player run shop stands in town, usually the town square; because an auction house requires its a own back end, and gets manipulated by bots. Ragnarok Online had a whole class designed around hunting items, trading goods and equipment, and using your cart to haul goods to remote locations and set up shop. A lot of modern MMOs would never allow this kind of class to work, due to the Auction house, Fast travel, and a desire to funnel individual players into a crafting/collecting ecosystem. I've started to go out of my way to challenge all forms of convenience, because of the way its dominates MMO design paradigms. I'm not against it in most cases.... but I've been hugely concerned with how its being used to justify streamlining out entire game systems just to allow a subset of players who hate doing things from having to do things. Modern MMOs are easier to play, but their also routinely shallow or have incredibly short half lives, because its now questionable if the game is engaging with a player, leading a player, or exploiting a player. I've never played WoW, but can easily recognize its influence in modern games. Having come of a long stint with the Guildwars games, and its distinct differences through its slow shift into becoming WoW-like, Home harvesting nodes used to be a fun rare reward that gives you a few extra materials per day. Now its considered mandatory to min/max gold production, and that all players should have it by default, since haves and have nots are "bad game design". And while we're at it, players also routinely demand a cash shop upgrade to auto harvest every day, so the whole process is totally passive. These cultural issues aren't limited to the AH. Fast travel, mounts, aggo mechanics, harvesting, drop rates, champ or elite tier mobs, PvP, PvE, group content, solo content, time gates.... you name most well known MMO conventions, and I can make an argument about how it changed the game's culture for the worse in the long run. Just look at what happened with WoW Classic. For a short period, the player base started bonding over shared struggled.... But in the same time span as it would take for people go through an expansion pack, all the selfish and impatient behaviors from Retail came back. This isn't limited to WoW, but WoW Classic made the comparison very easy to make. Because at its core, regardless of how large the demographic is, the Solo Mindset is inherently toxic to games fundamentally designed around multiplayer. And when a single player game is given multiplayer, theres never enough incentive to actually play cooperatively, if no Dev put enough effort into designing ecosystems for it. I can boil it down to this pretty easily. A group minded player will usually have little issue playing solo, because they will be able to recognize problems that are too big for a single player to address. A solo-main player expects to succeed in spite of the game's intentions, because "thats how games are supposed to be". Its not hard to notice most of the loud solo players believe it their "RIGHT" to be able to succeed using multicrew ships, without needing other players as crew. Their solution to almost everything is some form of automation. AND their justification is almost always pitched as addressing the inconvenience imposed by other people. THIS is why I now routinely challenge a lot of suggestions citing better solo player experience.... because they're usually thinly veiled attempts at automating the game play out of a game, and removing its value from everyone for their own benefit. For example..... why wouldn't everyone have an NPC Engineer if they're just as good or better than players doing the Engineering job? And if everyone can solo a multicrew ship using NPCs to automate processes, why not every group just field their own ship? And if you look closely enough, that path leads to many of the things that lead EVE to be stuck in the design its in now. It can't scale up or down, because one player per automated ship, regardless of size, is just too man power efficient. And knowing the history of Dust514 and Valkyrie, and why both failed to integrate into EVE's main universe, did a lot to inform the kind of design traps most games would normally embrace, while SC set out to explicitly avoid.

[@KenFromchicago]

There might not be a crime stat in Pyro but there will be gang rep and while cops won't come for you, you can have gangs gunning for you in Pyro. Unlike the cops in Stanton, gangs might be shooting to kill instead of arrest. OTOH, surviving gang attacks could build your rep with other gangs and open missions you wouldn't otherwise get until you got this level of rep with said gang. Thus, some players might deliberately poke at some gangs to build rep with other gangs. Me? I'm a clean living, law abiding citizen, hauling goods of a legal nature from A to B, occasionally exploring and mapping new sights. I will be above such illegal tomfoolery, keeping my nose clean in lawful Stanton or open systems that haven't been infested by the vilest criminal scum of the 'verse. 👎😠🤣

[@jedi_drifter2988]

Crime stats might disappear later, after rep. is finalized and we get enough systems. If you have really bad rep. in a system or with widespread gangs or UEE, you will not be able to enter these systems without being killed or punished. Also every time you encounter anyone in these gangs or other factions, they will attack you, which will be for the automatic bounty.

[@Gnarfendorf]

​@@jedi_drifter2988 I dont think they will disappear completely, unless the rep loss from unlawful killing in monitored space is so immense that it would make security immediately hostile to you.

[@Uberzit]

12:55… he talkin’ about Berks? Gotta be

[@SgtHack802]

My wife played SC for the first time today. She said, why don’t they fix the bugs? She tried doing missions. She couldn’t finish any due to the bugs. Shame

[@Dragotalon]

I am not sure why medical respawning is such a thing they always said beds would respawn if you had the medical goo to respawn but would be at a cost they took away respawn which if you look at 4 or 5 years ago always wanted beds to respawn at a cost

[@nemesis851_]

If CIG wants to trade my PC for a new build, they can have mine as a “Real World” player machine 😂

[@durtyred86]

Look....I'm tired of having to fight for the right of solo players right to enjoy themselves.... Xerostate is on point about this... You don't punish a playerbase "just cause".... Yes, they matter. Yes, they have a right to buy whatever ship they want. No, they shouldn't just get the short end of the stick just cause CR says he wants to promote team play.... The fact of the matter is, just as Xero said, the majority of players play solo. And in games where the team play is borderline forced down your throat, the game usually dies out quickly. Not everyone gets a raging boner from chugging across the galaxy literally nut to butt with EVERYTHING they do. Some people love the solitude. For those that don't, cool. Chug along as you were. You can't/shouldn't build a game, Space Tomatoe, with the idea that ships will eventually have the ability to be operated with NPC's, literally sell millions of those ships with you guessed it, a huge majority of players anticipating and expecting these ships to be ran by them and their NPC crew, then snatch the ship away from them and say; No ship for you!!! I'm not an expert but ugh....I'm pretty sure that would be a PR nightmare....Wouldn't you say? Yes, it has to rain before it shines sometimes and most of us are fully prepared for the pending drought of large solo ship control that T-0 engineering will bring.... That doesn't mean it will stay that way... Sometimes you just have to tear up the walkway to pave a smoother road. We're ready for that. We're also anticipating npc's. We don't expect to be on par to a human crewed ship but we expect to at least have a fighting chance.... If they opened up tomorrow and said ships needed a live crew to run, and if you didn't have one, you'd be stuck in single seater ships only...... I can promise you funding will come to a grinding halt and from there forward, you'd see a huge difference in ship sales. Sometimes you have to just look at the big picture and respect what's keeping this train rolling...

[@oldman1111]

AH gameplay: BMM

[@cmdrls212]

Remember Jared's infamous Road to Pyro and 4.0. Wow that was such bait

[@vorpalrobot]

He was speaking for the company, not himself. It was CIGs road to pyro.

[@cmdrls212]

@@vorpalrobot even worse 🤣

[@vorpalrobot]

@@cmdrls212 what's funny is I'll often defend CIG but I'm not sure which road to pyro you're cranky about because it's happened so many times 😭

[@garywilburn7384]

I expect 4.0.2 to be last. I call it "Error 402 Patch"

[@teemos2732]

Peyote (irl)

[@ObiWahn68]

3.23.2 wil be the next patch

[@SpaceTomatoToo]

:o

[@wouterhak2694]

why have a auction house when you dont have rarity levels on items it would be dead on arrival ,you need atleast the same items with rarity imagine the old wow rarity it has for exemple more bullits or has better shielding vs balistics etc etc.

[@Diogenes76]

SCPU is not a sandbox (player based stations and economy etc). It has no sandbox underpinnings and has so far shown a fundamentally different design paradigm than a sandbox. I am not trying to be mean, but technically, the foundation is not a sandbox one so far.

[@Tsudico]

I don't know if I would consider player based stations or a player run economy to be necessary aspects to a sandbox game. I think many people consider a sandbox style game to be a game where players can have fun in a variety of ways and is less about a narrative progression than a player's self-directed progression.

[@Diogenes76]

@@Tsudico I think what your describing is more open world gameplay vs sandbox. Sandbox just as its name indicates is a game like a sandbox where you just have the tools to build what you need to play the game. Games can have a mix of both though. People mistake SC as a sandbox because of its raw alpha state.

[@Tsudico]

@@Diogenes76 You basically said the same thing in a different way than I did. Your "like a sandbox where you just have the tools to build what you need" is my "player's self-directed progression." There have been many examples of players creating entertainment within Star Citizen that isn't included directly in the game play itself but emerges out of what can be done by combining different portions of game play. But it is likely we will have to agree to disagree, it seems you see open worlds as a different genre entirely where I see open world as a style of sandbox.

[@Diogenes76]

@@Tsudico A sandbox is more like and Eve and UO where the players almost completely create the economy and content. SC only seems like that because us players have to create the content because for now because the game is in Alpha. If you look at the development so far they seem intent on hand tailored content like SoO, Xenothreat etc. It is also CR MO. SC is an open world game like ESO, but with little content because it is an alpha.

[@Tsudico]

@@Diogenes76 You are seeing hand tailored content specifically because CIG is still working on features. SoO and Xenothreat are example missions and mission chains in preparation for dynamic events that can occur due to player interactions. But even in your own lauded games like Eve and UO there is hand tailored content and economic tweaks mixed in with the other stuff. For example, Ultima Online had expansion packs that contained new quests and advanced the story. And Ultima Online attempted to have an AI ecology but it couldn't keep up with player activities. I would say that Quantum is a spiritual successor to that idea by having AI be able to dynamically adjust the universe while still taking player actions into account.

[@polblanes]

I don't think the pirates and criminals will go to pyro. They will want to be where traders go, and traders won't have a reason to go to pyro.

[@XeroStateLIVE]

Miners likely will, and depending on how commodities spawn/trade to/from Pyro, they might go there for supply (or demand!)

[@vincebarry9840]

How can we defend the medbed change!!! Its no more a medevac or medical its Zerg refinery gameplay..at least replace all the ambulance skin and interior design with bacta cloning tub...so pissed.

[@androssthered1157]

Speaking from the typical pirate's perspective... if there is nothing to incentivize us to GO to Pyro (more lucrative loot and opportunities to steal stuff) it will be a cool sightseeing tour then we'll be back in Stanton pirating the usual C2 full of gold or RMC. Because we can get PVP action in Stanton.

[@ncpolley]

Tbh, yeah. If ordinary people have no reason to go to Pyro, there's definitely no reason for pirates to go there. The only way I see the "safe" Stanton "lawless" Pyro thing working is if Pyro has many valuables, low security Stanton has high demand for valuables, high security.

[@BeggarsOutpost4]

Last alpha patch is 4.0... The first Beta patch will be what they are calling 1.0.... Beta 1.0...

[@MrOCSOLJAH]

I'm so tired of the game being un playable. Ryzen 9 and 3080 64 gb ram should be plenty.

[@wraith511802003]

YOu got a shite rig or router an ISP setup.

[@munkan9435]

Check if your game is installed on an SSD. My PC a little less than yours and I run the game just fine.

[@Haegemon]

Low and medium graphics work only with CPU, high and highest work with GPU. The game requires a SSD drive or even a M.2 but still it's a demo, a game in development, a test bed.

[@steveshirley2250]

You're right, it should, and does for many people with worse specs

[@thezeke8510]

I genuinely find Xerostate to be my kind of gamer. I never watch him. Unfortunately.

[@XeroStateLIVE]

I'm choosing to take this as a compliment

[@thezeke8510]

And now I am choosing to subscribe. You drive a hard bargain. ​@@XeroStateLIVE

[@bhz8499]

Problem is it’s not “new” how long ago did people fly in it? How along was it first shown, are we getting the odyssey? This isn’t an achievement. Just like graduating from 5th grade is and should be expected; not lauded as a major achievement.

[@schtoobs]

Star Citizen lacks stability in server performance, player progression and worthwhile gameplay. I'm worried that people (especially CIG) think that it is a good game as it stands. Even when it's working pretty well, it's not good. Big improvements in 3.23 but the game is a bit too hard unless you've paid big money for a decent ship (lesser ships take 10x as many hits as mine, is it a bug?). I'm only up 30k after 3 days effort and a lot of bugs and irritations wasting my time and resetting my progress. So now it's a more enjoyable player experience (it really is) the game has become harder and more of a grind to progress. Lack of content seems to be the cause as there aren't enough missions to cover all the different ships and possible players taking part. My poor Aurora has no function other than handballing single boxes of waste into space. Does seem a little like they are tweaking mission difficulty and events for those who have bought big ships and large player groups (testing!). Increasing the difficulty and grind to stop sweaty players and clans from hoarding huge amounts of money ( CIG protecting their ship selling revenue) is gonna have a bad effect on solo players and players who can only afford a basic starter ship. The core of the game HAS to be about progressing from a shitty-ship-having-nobody to a fleet-owning-legend. The need to buy a bigger ship to be able to enjoy the game content is greater than ever. I think they will tweak and change and add content to fix this but given the financial model at play in this development, it's important to keep an eye on it because assuming the game becomes all smooth running, bug free and "feature and content complete", player grind vs ship sales WILL be the issue that makes or breaks the game for many people. Hopefully they will make enough money to be able to respect our time and also make the grind a fun experience.

[@Gnarfendorf]

I get where you are coming from, but without the need to grind for big ships or expensive equipment what would be the incentive to so any of the money making activities in the first place? Balancing MMO economies so they dont lean too much in one direction or the other is not easy, and depending on how they do it it wont appeal to certain groups period. The spacedad who has maybe an hour a day to play the game shouldnt expect to be able to keep up with the no-lifers who have all the time in the world, be it skill or moneywise.

[@MersageSW]

"Freedom units". What in the patriotism?

[@MersageSW]

Lmao

[@sosayweall2509]

There are lots of things you can do in star citizen that are unique...lol like what?

[@Qwarzz]

I haven't played another game when my friend can come and land in a hangar on my ship and we then fly some place together to land and do some shooty stuff. Of course most of the unique stuff pretty much just makes sense in roleplay sense. The actual missions do not require any of the complexity SC has.

[@carllong8954]

The big ships need a reason to be used.

[@wraith511802003]

YOu dont follow along do you ? THey have addressed this at length. Now that SM is in the mix an growing, they will be able to address the larger ships an what they will be used for.

[@shippy1001]

Well, they already have a purpose. Did you buy them? There you go, that's their purpose.

[@vrnorwaynorway6048]

sucks that Space Tomato or other SC YT cant be more critial. CR said pryo was done in 2019 they lie so much its fkn redicules. Roadmap does not mean anything. They lie so much i dont want to play the game.

[@3Dsirius]

Your Star Citizen attempt comparison with CyberPunk 2077 game is unrealistic. CP2077 price for the full game was 60$ at launch. Now you can buy CP2077 Ultimate edition (which include Phantom Liberty expansion) for 53$ discounted and it is a very good REAL game (after 2 years of patches since 2020 release date). Time for CP 2077 development including patches after release was aproximately 6+2=8 years. Star Citizen is in development for 12 years and has no official release date with a budget way bigger than of CP2077 (4 times bigger?). Also Star Citizen price is too expensive, paying minimum 50$ for the core gameplay and a basic ship, if you want a normal experience you have to pay more like 200$. Also Star Citizen is selling ships packs with delusional prices up to 20.000 USD. So Cyberpunk 2077 is a real AAA game, and Star Citizen it IS NOT EVEN a GAME, it is a PLEDGE as Robert Industries lawyers called it, to guard against buyers lawsuits. Pledge legal definition is a thing that is given as security for the fulfilment of a contract or the payment of a debt and is liable to FORFEITURE in the event of FAILURE. So Robert Industrie, for money greed reasons, do not sell Star Citizen as a game, a FINISHED or in development game, and instead they sell VIRTUAL PROMISES - PLEDGES for REAL MONEY and it is still plagued by numerous bugs. Better call a spade a spade.

[@Trillineatus]

Just say how it is, cig lacks creativity. And not just a little bit, they dont have inspiration to make 1 mission interesting or replayable for me. Its BORING as Hell.

[@danielgurley7377]

why are yall are pushing "staying on a planet for long periods of time" that sounds so boring to me.

[@SgtHack802]

This game is pay to win. The capital ships that have been bought will show pay to win when they are released. Big areas will be controlled by the wealthy orgs. I watched a guy at Pyro, controlled a town with a HammerHead.

[@Gnarfendorf]

Pay to skip. Pay to win would mean you only can get them by paying real money.

[@Biggerfoot]

I already posted a video on why pyro isn’t out and have contacted the ftc about KZbinrs and certain streamers getting paid under the table to promote this scam of a game, pyro is completely finished server meshing has nothing to do with it because you have to go through pyro gate to join another server so pyro and Stanton are completely different severs and need no server meshing at all to work just fine and I don’t know if they are doing this too you because your black or something but they could be, they just want every chance possible to steal money from young people by saying they will release pyro during a ship sale when it’s already completely there purposely holding back content so people spend more money for it, this game is a scam and you would know this if you played the game instead of just accept cash for videos and pulling the wool over your viewers eyes you will pay for this in the future

[@Gnarfendorf]

Oooooh did someone get their refund denied and now has to throw a tantrum?

[@Biggerfoot]

@@Gnarfendorf hey your the brainwashed cultist here so there really isn’t anything you can say 😂😂

[@michaeldicenzo119]

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