SpaceX Starlink HP No Longer Includes Router

[@jcristina]

As of yesterday, Elon Musk's SpaceX Starlink High-Performance Satellite Dish no longer includes a router. If you do a bit of research you'll be able to save yourself $250. All this and a lot more on today's VLOG. Subscribe, Share, and Like if so inclined! Also, after watching, consider commenting! Can't wait to hear from you in the comments below this video! 1-Hour SpaceX Starlink Setup and Network Design Consultations are available at jcristina.com/product/1-hour-consultation Don't forget to join my Newsletter: jcristina.com/join Super Chats And All Channel Donations Are Warmly Welcome! Thank You! Get a massive discount with PureVPN by visiting jcristina.com/vpn I truly hope you enjoy the video and find value in it! If so, please consider Thumbs Up, Subscribe, and Becoming A Member Of The Channel! For Media & Business Relations Contact 📧 jcristina.com/contact Thank you for supporting the channel! Interested in any products that I personally use? Visit www.amazon.com/shop/jcristina or go to the bottom of this description for direct links. If you would like to get a FREE copy of the Prologue to "How To Create A Digital Fort Knox - Backing Up Your Digital Life" or one of my other FREE books, simply visit jcristina.com/books Consider subscribing to the channel, commenting below, and signing up for my newsletter at jcristina.com/join Interested in any products that I personally use? Visit www.amazon.com/shop/jcristina or go to the bottom of this description for direct links. Highlighted Starlink Hardware I Have Tested In The Past: Ubiquiti amzn.to/3qC554s NetGate amzn.to/3cXiTTv Peplink amzn.to/3OnTsHM UTT Router amzn.to/3nJBLaL TP-link Router amzn.to/3IjkyhP TrendNET Router #1 amzn.to/3nVukx0 TrendNET Router #2 amzn.to/3IGxvm2 Small Battery Backup For Starlink - amzn.to/3ScbcrZ TP-link AC Router - amzn.to/3so07J1 TP-link AX Router - amzn.to/3sf2or8 TP-link Managed Switch: amzn.to/3EQJKZy TP-link Unmanaged Switch: amzn.to/3FVbaih TP-link Outdoor Access Point - amzn.to/4aXXGkS TP-link Indoor Access Point - amzn.to/3rV6Nzk TP-link Extender - amzn.to/448klJi TP-link Control Module (Gigabit) - amzn.to/4aU0oYB For High-Speed Access Points (ex. Starlink or Cable) TP-Link Control Module (Gigabit) - amzn.to/3rVBqEx TP-Link AC1900 - amzn.to/3Q28y6N For Slower Speed Access Points (ex. ATT) TP-Link Control Module (100Mbps) - amzn.to/3Lduaf3 TP-Link AC1200 - amzn.to/3OLhlsK [ Social Media & Additional Connections ] 📦 20% Off Everything jcristina.com - Code YT20 🆓 FREE eBook jcristina.com/ebook 🌒 Dark Moon Teas DarkMoonTeas.com 🎬 KZbin - kzbin.info 🔖 Twitter - twitter.com/JosephCristina 👀 Instagram - instagram.com/JosephCristina 👨‍💼 LinkedIn - www.linkedin.com/in/josephcristina 📖 Facebook - facebook.com/joseph.cristina 📰 Creative Discord Server - community.jcristina.com [ Equipment Used ] 💎 MB ] ASUS - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard - amzn.to/2rmR9LT 💎 CPU ] AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor - amzn.to/2pSCx4S 💎 COOLER ] Corsair Hydro H115i Extreme Liquid CPU Cooler - amzn.to/2rfEpJ2 💎 GPU ] MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card - amzn.to/2rndQ2o 💎 RAM ] Corsair - Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 - amzn.to/2qo8PIv 💎 SSD ] Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" SSD - amzn.to/2rmXqH8 💎 DISPLAY ] Dell - UltraSharp 34” Curved Monitor - U3415W - amzn.to/2s6pvTs 💡 Video Lighting - amzn.to/2qrDOnH 🎬 Sony ZV-1 - amzn.to/3rFkfFj 🎬 Canon EOS R & Kit Lens - amzn.to/3lEZIC2 🎙 Tascam Mic w/Recorder - amzn.to/39Xb50C 🎙 Electro-Voice RE-20 - amzn.to/37SoBQt 🎙 Zoom H4n Recorder - amzn.to/3oyF2bh 🎙 dbx 286s Compressor - amzn.to/39SLTYY The above are my Amazon affiliate links - if you purchase anything using the links above, you're supporting this channel at no additional cost to you! I appreciate your support!

[@AmauryJacquot]

simple reason: the dish is aimed at enterprise, who don't have a use for a consumer grade wifi router, and prefer using their own.

[@SARDOGFL]

Bought the HP about a month ago from West Marine and never saw a reason to use the G2 router. Hooked HP to power supply, power supply to my WiFi 6 home router with an enclosed Starlink Kit cable! Would rather have had $100 credit and they could have kept the router. OR perhaps... $100 credit toward purchase of G3 router.

[@tankliluchuck]

so glad i got my g2 standard bundle new for $299.00 a few months ago. dont have to manually move the dish and i hooked it up to my wifi6 router.

[@hanstandt9587]

I only used my router for some days in the beginning in 2021 for testing. Then I removed the Starlink router and connected the dish directly to my WAN1 on my Unifi Dream Machine. And it works perfectly.

[@jcristina]

Awesome.

[@joejones1192]

Thanks!

[@jcristina]

Thank you very much for the support. Blessings.

[@michaelsjolin9203]

On a side note, cost not considered, I dumped the substandard Gen 3 Starlink router for a TP-Link AXE5444 Tri Band WiFi 6 and couldn't be happier. I don't use the WiFi 6, but router setup was stupid simple and the router is extremely configurable , especially for the VPN user. One high note in dumping the Starlink router is that I print over the network directly to my Konica Minolta printer and the Starlink router kept changing the printers IP address on my network. The TP-Link router has NEVER done this.

[@ameritechs]

had one of the 1st customers to receive a HP Kit for RV with big label" No Router Included". He was 1 pissed off customer--they sold him one for $250 but also gave him a months free of service as when ordered no mention of the no router packaging. Looks like lots of Gen3 Starndard mounting kits will we on Market soon-- Bill Amerisat

[@drfirechief8958]

Outstanding info J. A weeks worth of research in less than 20 mins. Also, moving the "commercial" to a more central part of the video is awesome.

[@jcristina]

Appreciate you.

[@keiththompson2289]

I have to old dish and it works so perfectly, I can't imagine why I would even need this new, more expensive one.

[@btb6011]

My speeds now at (ish) 50-90 down, 10-18 up and they JUST KEEP FALLING! T-Mobile Home Internet still rocking but drops like a rock during congestion. I guess it beats smoke signals😛

[@gustavozaratini]

We like your videos about starlink, thank you!

[@jcristina]

Thank you for being here.

[@klaatu-2112]

HP Pkg also provides no waiting customer/tech support

[@jcristina]

Great point.

[@dennismckay7679]

Had my starlink for a couple of years. I did not have to angle the dish it follows the satellites across the sky.

[@holidaynz1098]

Interesting here in New Zealand I had some customers and their dishes just got realigned to North

[@Qspecialman]

The rental option has been available for a while in Europe.

[@jcristina]

Yes. It’s more recent here in the US.

[@kamikazekunze]

POE is what you need to save power and convert your system to 12v, 24v setups to save power. It’s hugely inefficient (in our case) to take 12v and convert it to 110v just so the router can step it back down to 48v. 😊

[@jcristina]

👍🏻 true

[@johnross6314]

@@jcristina kamikaze, POE = 48v. Which is international power over twisted pair cabling (used for UTP gigabit Ethernet). This is what Starlink uses for powering and data from the Ethernet interface device (with POE to the dish), which typical use will have a hard wired gigabit Ethernet connection to a user UTM/firewall. Your suggestion is not accurate. It is against code to run 120AC up to the dish (for good reason). 48V DC is efficient for power delivery. There are thousands of component suppliers that make 48V items for building network and power delivery. For example, Elon Musk (who listened to us long time ago), got on board with POE 48 volt gigabit data and power backbone for the Cyber Truck. Saving hundreds of pounds of copper (much more weight than used in the electric motors), lower complexity than legacy CAN bus.

[@michaeljohnson9760]

I think this is a good move given the choice between an actual price hike, or paying the same and no router to substitute the price hike. I definitely prefer to use my own router and wifi as I have plenty put into it, and it works much better for my setup. ISP's don't need any control into my network beyond the WAN side of a modem.

[@chriscosis]

Love the "why" behind it all. Blessings!!

[@jcristina]

Thank you. Chris

[@patraic5241]

Funny how the regular starlink dish was used by private sailboat cruisers all over the world and never had a problem. Apparently the standard system is quite capable of working in a mobile situation. Perhaps with out quite the reliability of the "commercial" version. I don't see any reason why the standard can't be offered to private customers for use world wide.

[@michip.1196]

Ciao, which cheap setup do you recommend for sailing yachts (catamaran 12m) crossing atlantic? Speed will be typically between 4 and 8kn and having some movements based on the waves? Is really the expensive maritime version needed or could we use RV standard dish with ROAM resp. GLOBAL ROAM tarif for Atlantic? Would be great to hear from your experience... Thanks, Michi

[@johnross6314]

$99 month rental for high performance is not bad. No repair issues, damage, whatever. On SpaceX. Also, in 30 months from now, they will have the jiggabit speed dish by then. Obsoleting the current product. So, trade for new one for $99 a month. NPV price between renting and buying is very close. Actually when considering use of case for business, NPV is better for 24-30 months than outright purchase.

[@jcristina]

Truly.

[@Vyndiktus]

This is good.. Friends don't let friends get suckered into allowing their ISP to control their routers. Really though, don't let some random company control your network. Keep them out.

[@jcristina]

Great point.

[@johnross6314]

My WiFi “router” on business/performance is in now used as mesh for mobile SL with its wifi appliance. Gigabit connection with power supply direct to UTM.

[@jcristina]

🚀

[@josephhoward2971]

Again I am still tripping that I have internet out in bfe, 20-30MB/s down is a lot faster than the 400KBs I had.

[@pureblood369]

Right

[@WarlordMoA]

I’ll try to pop in I have missed a few livestreams, I’ve been very tired and rundown. ‘I hope everything is well JC all the love man and best wishes.

[@5thGenNativeTexan]

I'm sure for the vast majority of people on the standard system, a bundled router is the best way to go for simplicity of self-install. However, for me, after just using the Starlink router for the basic setup, etc... I immediately ditched it for an Orbi Mesh system.

[@jcristina]

🚀

[@brycestewart3181]

Do you know if the nic in the disc is 1 gig or 2.5 gig or 10 gig ? To me that would determine what type of cable to use. Thx for sharing Good Luck We lucked out and just got fiber down our alley lololo

[@TheJirish]

Hey Joseph! Just curious if you know anyone who is residential but has a HP dish? Yes, the cost would be more but I would think the performance would be awesome. I can't justify spending the money, but would be interested in knowing if the up/download speeds are that much better. Also, not going to move from my current gen 2 to a gen 3 or something in the future unless it's de-supported. And, of they do something like that I hope there is some kind of discount.

[@SARDOGFL]

@TheJirish I bought the HP and never used the enclosed G2 router... not necessary as I ran it to my home WiFi 6 router. The signal seems great and I am simply using the Standard subscription at home right now, but considered changing to mobile or roam or marine on my boat, or my truck... some day... perhaps.

[@TheJirish]

@@SARDOGFL very cool! Thank you for sharing your experience.

[@tmcblane]

I see that the Gen 2 router is no longer available, is there a work around for this?

[@jcristina]

Used market.

[@tmcblane]

@@jcristina actually I misread their page it is discounted for now but since the gen 2 powers the dish I assume there is no other way to get around having it for the system, and thank you for the reply, love your channel

[@locutusofzork4630]

Honestly a 3rd party router will be better. They should've reduced the price at least $50 though.

[@joegomez5807]

Not sure what the drama is? If someone is interested in the this model of antenna, they most likely have a third party router and they have the money to pay for the price increase. I have the original dishy and satisfied with the service because I have no alternative. When the fiber internet company comes down my street, I am saying “adios” to Starlink Fiber is the bomb

[@jcristina]

Fiber is the goal.

[@deadlydave1]

My starlink router went bang today and stopped working. I am reading here l can use a third party router?

[@jcristina]

Yes. But you will need to set it to By-Pass Mode

[@markarca6360]

It means that you can use the router you already own.

[@jcristina]

Yep

[@Wayneclips73]

Could you link multiple dishes to make an array?

[@jcristina]

You could but would not help. They all would use the same satellite over head anyways.

[@alexdababy]

is this only for the business router? or for the personal one to

[@jcristina]

Business plan is require for max speeds.

[@TheyRiseBand]

A lot of business and power users (who the HP is mostly geared toward) don't want a router -- they'll be plugging this thing into an enterprise network or their own home router. I'm sure Starlink is doing this to cut costs and stop shipping unnecessary routers to customers.

[@Ruletub]

If you boondock with this new gen, and you have no cell service, will the app still work?

[@jcristina]

Yep

[@Ruletub]

Cool! Cool! Thx.

[@_Dutchman24_]

I don't understand why it's all so expensive in the US. In France the residential kit is now available for 349€ and a monthly fee of 40€/m for unlimited data consumption.

[@professorg8383]

The average cost for High Speed Fiber there is ~$30/month! But then the EU has very tough internet privacy laws so it is much harder to collect data on everyone and sell you information. The EU has a lot of regulations on providers, so I guess we pay more for our corporations to have less restrictions and much more corporate freedom! It costs our companies a lot of money to store all our data in big data centers! Corporate freedom isn't free!! Somebody has to pay for these "features", they don't have there!!

[@_Dutchman24_]

@@professorg8383 had a look in Spain and Italie to compare and it's even 29€/m and hardware is still at 349€, very surprising is Poland with 80€/m.

[@any4003]

So this is just my theory...this is solely based on the idea of that dishes will have POE equipment instead. Not providing a router for their HP dish is an experiment to test cost alleviation as well as customer reaction. This might be a good thing? My guess is Starlink maybe working towards allowing private IP access instead of being stuck using just the app on our phone in order to access the information for our network etc. we can possibly start accessing it all on PC as well and their working towards a new user interface. By not offering and producing private routers I would think this could alleviate cost and allow them to transfer their resources to more crucial areas of the overall experience for users. By not providing a router this would allow customers to spend that extra money on a specific router that they may want and feel might be more competitive compared to Starlinks router options.

[@jcristina]

I would like to see a $250 discount

[@any4003]

@@jcristina absolutely at the very least. $250 discount would make sense since their not providing the router anymore. I at least hope some of this will translate to more pro consumer decisions.

[@VideoByPatrick]

What happens if I go over data limit ?

[@jcristina]

You still have unlimited. The o Lu thing that happens it if there was congestion in your node/area, you will be slowed down just everyone else.

[@tankliluchuck]

paying 2.5k just for the dish is highway robbery.

[@jcristina]

Ouch

[@deanz4065]

As stated, the flat panel high-performance Starlink antenna is primarily for business/government-type users. These users are almost always plugging into their own network equipment. This means that they must dispose of (and pay for the disposal) of the Starlink wireless router. By the way, Starlink is moving on to its new 4th-generation router. These changes were announced to their premium customers last month. These users are also buying dozens of these systems at a time, which would require them to dispose of dozens of routers. These terminals also usually support dozens to hundreds of users at a time on one terminal. The Starlink routers can only handle so many users. The high-end network equipment these users use has many more security features and options than the Starlink routers. The Starlink routers to these end-users are literally in the way. Those few nonbusiness/government users willing to pay the $2500 that would be a marginal improvement (the difference is primarily in slightly less satellite downtime, usually measured in seconds) should be looking toward equipment other than the Starlink router. These high-end users are also willing to pay for premium services. The prices that you are listing are for fixed-location priority services. Global roaming priority service would be $250, $1000, and $5000 monthly.

[@SARDOGFL]

@deanz4065 I am simply (currently) a homebody and went for the HP immediately. I MAY at some point transfer the HP to my boat and/or truck, but I live in SW Florida across the peninsula from Joe and NEEDED the survivable wind rating of 174MPH (vs. 60MPH) and PREFERRED the field of view of 140° (vs. 110°). The last two significant southwest FL hurricanes have handed me a combined loss of $250,000.

[@deanz4065]

@@SARDOGFL On a moving vehicle like a boat, the improved angle of view will be more significant than on a fixed building. As more satellites are launched, this will become less significant as more satellites will be directly above the terminal. This would result in fewer dropouts. If many users make things like phone calls, even a slight reduction in these dropouts can be significant across the group. For only a small number of individuals, these dropouts may not be as overall substantial, but on the other hand, if you're calling your mother for Mother's Day, it can be annoying. It's more a factor of how much the money to the inconvenience matters to you. You could get better performance with better end-user equipment than spending on the more expensive antenna. But if one can afford both and has the money, you may become the Marina hotspot (yes, there is a pun here). There is a significant other downsize to the HP antenna. It uses significantly more power. If one is going to be power-constrained, the smaller terminal is the better choice, no matter the cost. Starlink is removing the articulated terminals for newer, smaller flat-panel antennas. The wind rating on those terminals is primarily determined by how you mount them. The weakest link is often the pole mount rather than the antenna itself.

[@SARDOGFL]

​@deanz4065 my reward from the 09/22 Hurricane Ian was a destroyed roof (and so much more). But with some quick temporary repairs, the home was still habitable. However... Comcast/Xfinity (Cable TV, landline, Internet) was out for 6 weeks, and Verizon didn't even have text service for 2 weeks. I decided that with Starlink as ISP (and my existing whole-house emergency generator), I would be able to maintain the entire Comcast TV service (using Xfinity Stream App on each Amazon Firestick), a household ISP, and complete cell service via ISP for 2 families in my Smarthome with 85+ devices... all off my home router/switch. Friends from "Pine Island" that was largely destroyed, moved in with me for 2 months. We eventually got all of Xfinity and Verizon services back, but I feel fairly confident we essentially would NEVER have lost them if I would have had reliable Starlink service then. After my roof and pool cage and boat canopy and dock electric were repaired... I felt it was time to install the Starlink HP system that I hope is the best. Don't know that the Starlink and service will get to the boat (still partially hurricane damaged), or the truck, but you do have a worrisome point I suppose regarding excessive potential power draw for the HP. With the upcoming hurricane season predicted as record, I simply hope that I get through by lowering the telescoping flagpole and removing the HP prior to Category 1's or 2's.

[@tomknorr9102]

As of today, $200/month is going to be $400/month for "mobile global". :( On the router issue: I was considering a separate router as I needed both wifi and wired. The gen 2 router that came with my kit only has wifi. So the reasoning behind the uncoupling of the antenna and router seems to be good. The hidden price hike is a bad policy. I do have different router requirements, firewall rules, sub-network configuration, guest wifi vs secure wifi. The recent price hike for the service is a bummer. It will take another 3 months to be active but certainly makes me rethink my choices.

[@jcristina]

A better third party router is not a bad way to go for sure.

[@OLDMANDOM42.Dominic]

JC LIVE!! LETS GOOOO!!! Free speech Friday BOIEEEE!!!

[@jcristina]

🚀

[@frankbooth3291]

Might you know if Starlink is working and authorized in the Middle East?? If so, what countries?? Thanks

[@jcristina]

Sorry I do not. You can check Starlink.com/map to see where it is Currently authorized.

[@fighterplane2023]

Inspite iraq still under coming soon list but sl now working n activation via japan or georgia or phil

[@JackWeems]

Would be better if they weren't using this to hide a price hike but I agree unbundling the dish and the router is the way to go. I had gen 2 (if I remember right) and immediately had to get the ethernet dongle because the bundled router wouldn't cover my house. Are they still using that stupid proprietary cord between the POE injector and the dish? I remember accidently cutting mine and having to wait a month for their overpriced cable before I could have internet again.

[@By_Rant_Or_Ruin]

Too much money. I understand that it may be many folks only option even outside of cellular high speed. But it is just to rich for me. So much for everyone having reasonable access in the US. Wasn't that a mandate 12 years ago or so?

[@jcristina]

It was.

[@mr_ice117]

I can’t wait for the day I can get starlink data on my T-Mobile phone on a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean. That is the day I wait patiently for

[@davidcolwell614]

Not going to happen. You will be able to talk on your phone from anywhere, but to get data will always require a dish.

[@kamakaziozzie3038]

If you take a lot of ocean trips, most major cruise lines have high speed Wi-Fi available on their ships. You should be able to access on your phone or laptop

[@bern12743]

A friend works for a Musk company. His phone works in the middle of the ocean over Starlink.

[@ameritechs]

J---Better option is the Gen 3 kit by Starmount for $379 and snaps in--custommer then orders a Standard Starlink Kit and for $1000 complete and can mount on Motor Home , Dune buggy or boat--We get $499 to install--so $1500 still way cheaper and speeds are great--- Bill Joyce Amerisat

[@WarlordMoA]

A longer cable for RVs it’s worth it cos you can roll the cable and tie the dish on the roof of the RV couple of zip ties or clamps and boom bobs your uncle.

[@jcristina]

🚀🚀

[@jcristina]

🚀🚀

[@slayer1112man]

Mine faces ENE

[@jcristina]

likewise..

[@wulfsnow558]

same

[@Neeboopsh]

i like this channel ;)

[@jcristina]

That’s very kind of you.

[@Phantom-darkness]

I have the HP dish and don’t use the router so perfect. It’s been sitting unused in my case.

[@bloepje]

The starlink routers suck anyway. All generations of starlink routers suck in their capabilities. The dish however is the real thing and rocks. If they can actually make the starlink dish completely operatable without that router thing that would be perfect.

[@LehtusBphree2flyFPV]

T Mobile will become the #1 company once they join starlink until then they still suck

[@jcristina]

👍🏻

[@geraldkoth654]

What do you expect for a measly $2500? I suppose you think Muskrat is your friend.

[@kamakaziozzie3038]

Muskrat 😝😂 lol! I hadn’t heard that one. “Muskrat Susie, Muskrat Sam” 🎵 🎶

[@jcristina]

Nah.

[@PurpleMrMojo]

Have you seen the new teleport Starlink to Mars button on the Starlink app yet? I haven’t heard you talk about it yet but I haven’t seen it until just now. Where are you could put the surface of Mars behind your Starlink dish. Bottom of advanced menu ❤

[@jcristina]

I have not. Where is it. I’ll talk about it tonight’s JC Live show.

[@PurpleMrMojo]

Just go to the advanced menu like you’re going to the debug area and you’ll see it at the bottom of the screen with a little switch. Very cool.

[@MarisolMarquez01]

SpaceX is increasing prices for Western countries to make up for lower prices in 3rd world countries. They have to be profitable.

[@jcristina]

👍🏻

[@gbinman]

meh, I have never used a utility provided router anyway.

[@c.jbowen2461]

To much $$$ for me.

[@prettybrwneyez7757]

So done with Elon and his shenanigans

[@timsullivan1531]

Thanks!

[@jcristina]

Thank you so much Tim!! Appreciate your support.