The First Victim of Vecna's Curse?! | Stranger Things 4x3 Reaction

[@SpartanandPudgey]

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[@dsscam]

Enzo is, in fact, a security guard named Dmitri Antonov. He adopted the name Enzo as Hopper suggested it would convince Joyce that Hopper was truly alive. It was way longer than a year-and-a-half wait between Seasons 3 and 4. Due to COVID, it was THREE years from 2019 to 2022. And now Season 5 is currently ANOTHER THREE YEAR WAIT as it won't be released until 2025.

[@semaxwell1]

the "kids" will be old enough to have their own kids😂

[@nooneofconsequence1251]

I'm kind of happy about this... because... if there is also at least a three year jump in the continuity of the show... then that will take us up through 1989 and maybe they can feature a track off of Pretty Hate Machine. I'm thinking of "Sin", maybe? That would be awesome.

[@comeatmebro8120]

I absolutely love the reveal of Max being Vecna’s next target because the clues are all there and it adds way more weight to the situation now that Vecna is targeting one of the main characters

[@theTemplar08]

They can totally arrest her for assault and battery. But they can’t question her without a parent or legal guardians consent.

[@ericanicolee909]

In the 80s minors could definitely be questioned without a parent/legal guardian. Today (at least in California), a minor can only be interrogated if it is voluntary. If they ask to have a parent/guardian, the law requires that they have one, or a judge could later throw out the information learned in that interrogation.

[@DoddyIshamel]

Could back then tbf

[@whatboycarl]

2:30 a year and a half wait?!?! WE WAIT THREE YEARS FOR SEASON 4😭😭😭

[@abbyo6578]

actual torture two seasons in a row.. i’m struggling waiting for season 5😭

[@bbs1221]

Nah fr 😭

[@AnonymousSaiyan]

@@abbyo6578 i think itll come out next year? I think they finished filmed it all by now and its being all done up in post now

[@abbyo6578]

@@AnonymousSaiyan yeah i'm thinking they're almost done filming i forgot when they started but im hoping we will get a trailer or teaser in the fall?? im starving

[@J7nty]

@@whatboycarl and now it’s three years for season 5 aswell the waiting is torture

[@harryballsak1123]

"You can't arrest a kid?" In the US if that kid commits a violent assault yes they can. Lucky she wasn't arrested at the roller rink the night before. Also it doesn't matter if she was bullied. She can still be arrested for assault.

[@fakecubed]

A felony is a felony. Her lawyer can argue she should be tried as a minor in court, so she's only looking at a juvie sentence.

[@KthulhuXxx]

Yeah, them not understanding that is kind of strange, IMO. There's a LOT of escalation between bullying/pushing someone down and slamming a object made of hard plastic and metal into their face.

[@harryballsak1123]

​@@fakecubed Yeah it's up to the DA not the police. technically teh DA could arrest the guy who threw teh milkshake and make even fall for assault. and Angela as an accomplice. Also the bullies were dumb enough to film it.

[@HamillDavid]

Big difference between not seeing Hoppers body and them saying not the American at the end of episode and seeing Barb dead and rotting in the upside down and eleven saying she gone 😂

[@1533TodaVida]

What?

[@Strife93]

Spartan - Vampires flying around. Vecna - Hold on Spider Monkey

[@kingkev6407]

@@Strife93 lmfaooooooo 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@fiImedeterror]

spartan writing essentially fanfiction of billy joining the crew and teaming up with steve is so funny lmaoooo that man's more likely to help hunt eddie than save him

[@T.Florenz]

Tbh? If he'd lived, he would have been a changed man. He would have had the same trauma and isolation bond with the group as everyone else who has had to deal with the upside-down, and it would have been a good chance for him to make real amends with Max, Lucas, etc. It is too bad we never got that, because Dacre is such a good actor, and a delight to watch on screen.

[@steffi122]

Unless being possessed by the mind flayer changed him. Maybe he would want to save the world after that experience. But yeah Billy before the possession would totally hunt Eddie down.

[@vilmavanninen6950]

Joe Quinn said Billy and Eddie would have been friends, but hey, ignorance is bliss, right? 😴

[@patrickmcdaniel5756]

Started laughing at that also. It does confirm for me that the reason for the Billy love is just spartan doesn't retain information. That's not a knock btw, many people don't for RL let alone fictional narratives. Explains how two seasons of being horrible are wiped clean by one scene with his dad and his death. But everytime (so many times) steve gets beat up spartan is surprised. And now we get the if only Billy and Steve teamed up against the jocks .... 😂.

[@kroanosm617]

They really love Billy for some reason. More than I've ever seen. They must really like that last minute redemption type.

[@charlenealdave7881]

We love Steve ever since he became the squad's babysitter😂

[@zissoulander]

We support single mom Steve

[@AnonymousSaiyan]

@@zissoulander Steve is trans?

[@CharlesVanNoland]

Yes, in the USA, physically assaulting another person means you get arrested, minor or not. Maybe if you're at school or at home, and nobody tells law enforcement, you'll get away without being criminally charged. Assault, in a public place, against someone who despises you for being cute without trying anywhere near as hard as they do, they'll almost invariably call the cops and you get arrested. Poor innocent Pudgey, you're too good for this world.

[@kbaylor123]

No way she would’ve been handcuffed in that situation though I think?

[@katieb.024]

@@kbaylor123 I’m not an expert or anything, but unfortunately I think they would still use handcuffs. Since it was a violent offense, they’d treat her as a violent individual. If it had been a call about anything else, like maybe loud music, no they likely wouldn’t handcuff. Since El carried out a “sudden violent act,” she’d be classified as unstable/hostile. Again- just my thoughts as an US citizen who also enjoys law videos, but not an expert.

[@DnD_Guru]

Absolutely our police would handcuff a teen. Happens everyday in this country.

[@sweetkiss119]

@@kbaylor123yes he absolutely would!!

[@Uhlbelk]

@@kbaylor123 I was handcuffed when i was 12 years old and booked at the police station just like El. I believe it was in 1988, so pretty close to the same time.

[@AndrewKendall71]

I'm the age of the main kids and I knew a half dozen Eddies in my north Texas suburb back then. This show really gets it right. They were seen as bad kids but were super cool and kind. And the police treating Ell like that fits the '80s. Bullying was just... nobody cared.

[@adurham9647]

Guys. Watching y’all experience the end of that episode brought back all the chills of watching that for the first time. I love the whole series but this season is on a different level. Loving these reactions!

[@zedge527]

It kills me every time I see a reactor have no faith in Lucas's loyalties. From season 1, we've seen how important his friends are to him. We've also seen since season 1 that he's always the one playing the lookout and reconn roles in the group (his D&D character is a Ranger for goodness sake!). I knew from start that's what Lucas was doing here.

[@clarkmichaels822]

They play with that in this season on purpose though. He doesn't just follow his friends anymore, shown by him prioritising the basketball team over the D&D group. His split loyalties are a part of his character arc.

[@zedge527]

@@clarkmichaels822 His loyalties aren't split, his interests are. His loyalty is still and always with his friends, but now he has an additional interest in basketball.

[@changingmind2522]

It kills me too! People are like “is he going to betray them?!” Of course not! I had faith in Lucas.

[@shiannesteele]

With everything the main group has been through they are way more then friends to me, this group is a family. Lucas loves all the people in this found family which includes even his actual little sister so more reason to be protecting.

[@immortal5626]

Eleven slices a girls face open with an roller skate. Which is assault. Proceeds to get arrested by the cops. Pudgey: "They can't do that." Are you serious?

[@spookyspooks33]

eleven did nothing wrong. she reacted accordingly to how she was treated

[@immortal5626]

@spookyspooks33 thats not how it works. You can't assault and slice someones face open because they said a few bad words to you. Morally if you react like that you are no better than them. Legally she was rightfully arrested for assault. You are basically defending school shooters that were bullied

[@piotrnowak8725]

@@spookyspooks33 Still, verbal violence is not considered half as serious as physical.

[@spookyspooks33]

@@immortal5626 school shooters is wild never that. this is just a show jesus

[@JigInsane]

Eleven is 15 yrs old, so still a minor. They shouldn't have been questioning her without a guardian/parent or adult representation present. That could all be thrown out because of that alone. Also, they can't process her and transfer her to juve without notifying her parents/guardian. Was Eleven right, no, but there's still due process that needs to take place, especially when dealing with a minor.

[@christopherdunlap7028]

Max is one of my favorite characters and they released this season in two parts. The cliffhanger at the end of the split had me losing it.

[@mathmexican4234]

Just as a timeline thing, Robin was saying the newspaper was from the 50s, not 50 years ago. So Victors story was from '59, and in the show they are in like 86, so it's closer to 25 years later.

[@Hollygli]

Wait it's from 59? I thought it was just after the war, so late 40s.

[@mathmexican4234]

@@Hollygli Victor was in the war, then he came home and had a family, then when his kids were older, his wife got some money and they moved into that home.

[@Hollygli]

@@mathmexican4234 ah thanks!!

[@linzzyy]

It’s 27 years. 1959-1986. It’s a reference to Stephen King’s IT. The monster in that book/movie comes back to feed every 27 years. The Duffer Bros have a beautiful affinity for the works of SK

[@TheRepublican777]

Yes Lucas took them to Hoppers Cabin because right now it has been totally empty and destroyed since season 3

[@user-wy7bo9ki2t]

I really want to see their reaction at episode 4×4 Dear Billy.

[@sarahw4819]

Yeah patiently waiting for it

[@modelotimefooooo1853]

im waitin for that and for 7-9 lol

[@davidmunro546]

According to comments from patreon subscribers, they didn’t have the reaction we all expect.

[@NPA1001]

They wildly miss the point apparently

[@salvadormartinez8577]

They miss the point and weren’t really impressed with the episode. I’m on their Patreon.

[@nikejoy12]

The Department of Juvenile Justice exists for a reason. Those cops had every right to arrest El. Her attacking Angela is at least assault with a deadly weapon, if not aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, depending on how bad the injury is. The only sketchy aspect of this is them questioning El without legal consel. Unless she waived her right to consel, a decent lawyer would have a field day with that.

[@beaux2585]

And the cops interrogating her wanted her to confess to attempted murder.

[@yashurishi549]

the entire ending of episode 3 is so good man

[@vvurbajael]

Bro is mad at Robyn for going with Nancy when they barely have any scenes together why not give them that?? and Johnathan and Nancy r still together… kinda ticks me off sometimes spartan js dislikes ppl for no reason half the time😭😭

[@sweetkiss119]

This guys an idiot majority of the time.

[@TheVIVIT]

Yeah, it takes so little for him to dislike a female character.

[@Hollygli]

​@@TheVIVITbingo. There's a method to the madness. And it's unconscious bias against women

[@diankaytt]

Like when he called a female child actress ugly..

[@shiannesteele]

It's also like how in season 3 he was mad at Max for telling El to dump Mike for lying to her and teaching her to stand up for herself, be independent, and her own person which is something El really needed.

[@NatashaSalgado]

This season has a lot of Nightmares on Elm's Street, because Vecna attacks are in the victim's minds but the consequences are shown in the real world. Next episode will be wild so be prepared.

[@Jrdn357]

And Victor Creel is played by Robert Englund who played Freddy Krueger in the Nightmare on Elm Street movies, lol.

[@NPA1001]

Every season ‘honers’ different 80’s movies. This season is Nightmare on Elm street and to a certain extent Friday the 13th

[@bibliophilelady6106]

In the first episode where the counselor is talking to Max and she is listening to music, we can hear the lyrics saying "And if I only could, I'd make a deal with God, And I'd get Him to swap our places." Max has plenty of guilt.

[@magicbrownie1357]

Kate Bush is a life saver!

[@devilkyn1]

So no spoilers here, but I do want to point out something Spartan got wrong in his theory. He said Vecna's been around for 50+ years or so. The thing you got wrong is that the Creel murders took place in 1959 but the show takes place in the early 80s so it hasn't been 50+ years. Its more like 25ish years. Looking forward to the next episode :)

[@TrentRidley]

Haha, Spartan hating on Robin for ruining the Steve and Nancy team-up, but that won't last and he'll come to love the Nancy and Robin pairing I'm sure. Remember, this show always gives us team-ups we didn't even know we needed. You guys are asking some great questions..... and trust that the answers are shocking and very, very satisfying.

[@whatboycarl]

they’re lowkey weird by wanting steve and nancy together meanwhile she still dating jonathan. not to mention that spartan is biased with billy which is the a bad character😭

[@3verestrr]

@@whatboycarlliterally 😭

[@ScorpioSW]

Their view on Billy is so funny lol... I feel like they watched a different show the previous 2 seasons because until he was used by the mind flayer, Billy was an abusive potentially racist a-hole but they talk about him like he was a superhero. Sacrificing himself at the end doesn't excuse who he was or his actions IMO. It makes sense to feel bad for how he was raised and the abuse he received to make him who he was, but he chose to continue the cycle and be an abuser towards others in the same way so I will never see him the way they see him.

[@marciegay9446]

Yeah they have such a boner for Billy. I’ll never understand it

[@presto8957]

Thank you for posting this. It almost feels like they’re trolling but they’re not and it’s WILD 😅

[@TheVIVIT]

Yep, Spartan just loves him because he was a strong alpha male, hehe. And look, I do feel bad for Billy's past and everything he had to go through (yes, it doesn’t excuse anything but it does make you sympathize with him) and his sacrifice does matter and kinda redeems him in a way, so I ended up liking him in the end. However, I don't understand their extreme obsession with him.

[@MrHenry5454]

Billy is, and always was, a piece of 💩. I don’t get their love for him at all.

[@samuellevesque7997]

"He chose to continue the cycle and be an abuser"... until he didn't? He literally sacrificed himself for a bunch of kids he hated through the whole season. He is a dick and it doesn't excuse his past actions, but he had a character arc that got cut short of their expectations. I'm pretty sure that's why they like him so much. He's cool and could have been cooler in their eyes. Also, they did mention Billy's story resonated with their own lives. That felt personal and I don't really care to delve deeper. But how long do we need to ignore someone's goodwill because of what they did in the past? People can grow and improve. I am NOT the forgiving type, but I do sometimes wish I could be more understanding. Props to them for liking somebody everyone else hates.

[@viazon]

It sucks, obviously. But unfortunately, you can't just whack someone in the face with a roller skate and get away with it. Even if you were bullied first. It's still assault.

[@Kiraiko44]

I'm so confused on why Pudgey is daring people to come to the comments, about what? Her getting it right that Hopper is alive? Because people were telling her he wasn't or something? They were doing that on purpose. We all already knew he was alive. Folks were probably deterring you from thinking he was alive because we had it spoiled for us before season 4 came out (they had him in trailers for months leading up to the release so everyone already knew he was alive before the show started back up and it ruined the reveal) also please don't tell me ya'll think this Russian man's name is actually Enzo. It's a code name.

[@TheVIVIT]

It's because people always hate on them 'cause every time a character dies, they start theorizing right away that they might be alive, like when Barb died. A lot of times they end up being wrong so now she feels vindicated. Even though this time there were some clues that made it possible, unlike Barb's death when we saw a body and we even got confirmation from Eleven…

[@TheVIVIT]

And I think we all know Enzo's name isn't actually Enzo. People just call him that.

[@GJBedrin]

They didn't spoil it in the trailer. You're supposed to already know from the end of season 3... They just decided there's no point in being coy

[@APhizzle]

You must be new here…

[@secsec999]

Oh no, I just realized what episode is coming next 🙃

[@bodemackie4237]

13:14 something to know about this scene is when seeing the “gang”, she connects the dots and she realizes what’s actually going on just by seeing them there. It’s cool that you can see the exact moment she realizes what is actually happening

[@whoeveriwant9266]

They did Jonathan dirty this season

[@robertfishburn8545]

Only thing done dirty was his drop test

[@whoeveriwant9266]

​@@robertfishburn8545 drop test?

[@JigInsane]

​@@whoeveriwant9266drug test

[@robertfishburn8545]

@@whoeveriwant9266 Slang for drug test

[@whoeveriwant9266]

@@robertfishburn8545 ok but it's pretty stupid how from a photographer they turned him to a stoner

[@CgGoil]

I love the scene where Nancy is at the trailerpark, and the guys parks by the road and gets out. At that time, none of them were completly sure that it was something from the upsidedown that was the problem, but when they see each other you can tell that they feel confirmed in their worst fear. There is no way all of them would see signs of that happening independently, without it actually being true, and you can see them feeling the nightmare that has been haunting them for years, coming to live once again. I think that is one of the many many many great things about this show. That they show the impact these experiences has on the characters, and how the different characters deal with it and how they grow.

[@jolanas.5426]

The guard's name is not Enzo... that was just a proof of life thing. Isn't that clear? Hop told him to sign the letter Enzo, so Joyce would know that Hopper is really alive, because she and Hop were the only one who knew about the Enzo date, so she would know the messenger talked to real Hopper.

[@SpartanandPudgey]

We know, we just like calling him Enzo

[@johnthiele984]

​@@SpartanandPudgeyAs do we all 😉

[@Jumpman67]

@@SpartanandPudgey I also call him Enzo. It's a better name.

[@Blckthrn584]

Clearly u havent seen their reaction to the previous episode...lmao

[@michaelklaus]

@@Blckthrn584 these comments are caused by Pudgey saying "his name is Enzo essentially, which is a coincidence, or not" at 1:35; it seemed clear to them that Enzo was a fake name, as Joyce suggested, during last episode's discussion; but this suggests that she assumed his actual name was Enzo; I would give her the benefit of the doubt that her train of thought could have been that his (nick)name might coincidentally be indeed Enzo after all and that Joyce was wrong in her assumption

[@1243fad]

I never understood how Mike could be so shocked about what El did, considering she killed people right in front of him in season one

[@J7nty]

Good point

[@kikyob2473]

Vampires flying around 🤣

[@beaux2585]

It's a good thing Spartan isn't here at my house at dusk or he'd see "vampires" flying all over the place.

[@yll7570]

Season 1 -- Spooky and Mystery Season 2 -- Thriller Season 3 -- Action and Adventure Season 4 -- Traumatic and Psychological

[@Karvan420]

16:00 I'm confused. Ya'll don't have assault charges over there on your island? I know australia is a bit whacky but surely you understand that grave assault is going to result in consequences? Even if they're a minor.

[@salvadormartinez8577]

They live under a rock on that secluded island. They’re similar to uncontacted tribes sometimes in the way they process things 😅

[@Jp-do9ny]

Whacky? You guys don't even have borders lol

[@cosmo588]

@@salvadormartinez8577 what a weird generalisation.

[@MiamoryHJ]

Tbh I started liking billies character thanks to you guys! I hated him at first and didn’t feel his death, and didn’t feel why max was so impacted other than the horrendous situation that was, but by watching your reactions I finally get it, and I believe the writers wanted that kind of reaction. And Steve and Billie being a team sounds super fun! Anyways. That scene with max gave me chills when I watched it back then

[@TheBlueDragon86]

Pudgey-I will dare. Hopper is a main character, the show isn’t the same without him. They would have struggled without him for 2 seasons. Barb was a tertiary character that was in like 3 or 4 episodes. Easier to lose her, not nearly the impact as Hopper. But I’m just playing, you guys are both great. Keep up the good work!

[@Kiraiko44]

The Twilight reference is especially hilarious if you know that Jamie Campbell Bower (who they haven't directly shown yet, the orderly is introduced in episode 5) was in Twilight lmao

[@TheRepublican777]

Her powers were so much of her identity and gave her her confidence and now she has nothing plus a long distance relationship and her only girl friend Max is also long distance all she has is Joyce and Will who is nice but more quiet and Jonathan who has a friend now and smokes weed she has no one

[@ofthenearfuture]

16:00 I mean Eleven committed assault causing bodily harm (battery)... just because you're under 18 doesn't mean you can't be arrested and charged with a crime, and minors are sometimes even charged as adults if the crime is egregious enough. Being a kid doesn't mean you're free from all consequences. I will say however that it was incredibly wrong to interrogate a minor without a parent or guardian present, and the cops were coercive dickheads.

[@user-gw9sb6dx7b]

One thing that makes me all grouchy is that Hop was clearly meant to be in a Gulag (Russian work camp) while the Gulag work camp system was dissolved long prior to the setting of this show by the government and replaced with regular prisons

[@somting1329]

I still don’t get the Billy worship😭like I get it his sacrifice was heroic but for the rest of the show he was a huge dick. I hope next episode won’t be made all abt him instead of who I think deserves the most praise. Imo this was 100% Sadie’s/Max’s season

[@Hollygli]

He terrorized his step sister and her friends, bullied Steve and beat him up, was racist, tried to seduce a married woman, publicly shamed a fat kid at the pool... Sure, with the abuse and abandonment by his mother he was a tragic character but he was way too awful on the whole to not be killed off. He had a good arc in season 3. I think the obsession is just some macho stuff, empathizing with a "misunderstood" strong guy abuser.

[@rfresa]

I think it's interesting that both Nancy and Mike have a problem saying "I love you." It seems to run in their family.

[@filmpopmovie]

At least Steve is a world-saving babysitter, Spartan.

[@darkglass1]

Yes, in fact a minor can be arrested for assault.

[@KirbyHighClassof2015]

Yall kill me with this Billy mess lol

[@jmominis]

15:59 I know she’s our hero but she did smash a girl’s face in with a roller skate! Pretty much no different than the law in Australia. Under 10 cannot be charged. 10-18 is prosecuted as a child. El is supposed to be 15 in season 4 so she can be arrested and charged with ‘Assault occasioning bodily harm’ considering she used the roller skate as a weapon and most likely broke her nose. Everything that happened to her is legit. Fingerprints, photograph, etc. Only artistic licence item was no adult accompanying her. Her defence would be that she was bullied but that doesn’t change the fact she assaulted her and she gets processed as a criminal.

[@ThePharaz]

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. It hasn't been 50 years. Remember this took place around 1985; the original was around 1959, so 26 years or so.

[@saltypotion]

I love how Max’s survivor’s guilt is addressed this season, it’s very realistic. Also, Billy was abusive towards Max before she stood her ground at the end of S2. A part of her was probably relieved that he was gone, but imagine the guilt you’d feel to be relieved about smth like that on top of the crippling survivor’s guilt. Ofc she cared for Billy, but he never met her needs as a proper loving big brother, so she must’ve struggled with a lot of shame, feeling like she’s a bad person for having these feelings. Max’s character writing is much more complex S4, I truly empathize with her. Can’t wait for you to watch ep 4 it’s an emotional rollercoaster/ masterpiece!

[@HEWfunkingKNEWit]

The first victim of vecnas curse?

[@gork8468]

22:00 While being brought in for a straight up assault is legitimate, even for a minor - questioning one without a lawyer and/or parent is NOT. Not even in the 80s.

[@Amm1ttai]

"Usually, police can question minors without having a parent or guardian present if the minor is under arrest. But many exceptions to this rule prevent police from questioning a minor without a guardian there and, thus, may affect whether the minor's statement is usable in court." taken directly from a juvenile law website.

[@unrelatedcoma]

"do a little investigation, Eleven was bullied by her" - getting bullied by someone doesnt justify assault with a deadly weapon. two wrongs dont make a right.

[@Angie-se4sp]

Yes, totally, but objectively the information could change her sentence from a psychological perspective, since bullying was something that influenced her behavior, it is different from attacking someone for no reason, it was an impulsive attack caused by continuous abuse. They would take it more into consideration since they are children, I think... And just in case you're coming for me, that's an excuse that could be applied to Billy but that's not my point. The difference is that she didn't take it out on anyone for being bullied and was being a piece of shit to everyone like Billy, she just unleashed her anger on the person who attacked her.

[@unrelatedcoma]

@@Angie-se4sp her sentence from a judge wont change. she didnt tell the teachers, she didnt tell any adults or friends, she didnt stand up for herself or take any steps to not be bullied. she went along with it and then used a dramatic over escalation of force that was not justified.

[@Angie-se4sp]

@@unrelatedcoma truth, but I think that in general it is normal that sometimes children remain silent when they are bullied, which is unfortunate, I still think that something would have changed, intentions play a big part.

[@Mangolite]

Y’all timing is impeccable. You guys are the ride home from since we began this Stranger Things journey.

[@psI6]

Not gonna lie... I LOL'd right at the end when Spartan said, "ain't no way you gonna leave us there" and the very next shot was his unamused face staring straight into the camera lmao.

[@fotinitsipa6235]

i love how Joyce always knows that there's some shit happening from the other dimension but can't tell when her son is so obviously stoned lmao

[@melmelmel_]

BEGGING you to react to Yellowjackets!!! such an amazing show and right up your alley!

[@Kosh800]

So most people who watched the series live already sort of knew that Hopper was alive. The production and marketing team did a whoopsie with one of their early trailers that heavily hinted that Hopper was alive and a prisoner. So by the time the season aired anyone who had been looking at the buzz around the new season basically already knew.

[@michaelklaus]

They did NOT make a whoopsie. They purposefully REVEALED in the "From Russia with Love" trailer that Hop was alive. The reveal in ST4 was less about whether or not he was alive but how he could still be alive and how he ended up in Russia. The Kamchatka plotline was already teased in the ending/post-credit scene of ST3. What did people expect how that would tie in with the main plotlines? Especially with the notion of an American prisoner. Who should that be? A secondary or tertiary character? Chekhov's American prisoner?

[@johncspine2787]

No..fans wouldn’t have accepted Hop’s death, so the early hints and wink-winks were intentional..not to mention the fact that these seasons are well planned out far in advance..

[@pollyparrot9447]

He wants a Steve and Billy team up? Seriously? Don't get the obsession with Billy at all.

[@brysonfreeman7226]

They seem to be obsessed with Billy

[@meg8002]

right?! It's so confusing. Did they forget that Billy literally almost beat Steve to death? lol

[@panashe5268]

Hahah I can’t wait for you guys to watch the next episode. It’s going to annoy you even more 😂

[@whatboycarl]

real

[@marciegay9446]

@@panashe5268pls don’t tell me they’re stuck on Billy and ignore max……..

[@TomTomson81]

It's not only guilt but depression in general. The season deals with two major topics: Freddy Krüger and depression of children.

[@jillk368]

His name isn't Enzo, detective Pudgey.

[@charlotteplatt3280]

Love these reactions. Also remember that this is set in the 1980s so Vecna being around since 1959 would be way less than 50 years as noted.

[@MtnDua]

The Nancy/Robin team up was 💙

[@mathmexican4234]

Hop being alive was kind of spoiled during the wait for season 4 because people would see him going to set and leak it. I think they eventually just leaked it themselves. I forget exactly.

[@2982cookie]

The mugshot scene with the 3 of you made me lol 😂 BTW, Enzo is just the guard's code name

[@srichardf]

The police had every right to arrest El unfortunately. Even though Angela had been bullying her gave El no right to hit her with the roller skate. No matter how much Angela had bullied her it gave El no right to commit assault. I mentioned in your last video about how in the 80's there is no way Angela would have been able to pull her prank at the roller rink without consequences from the owners or management of the roller rink (and I say that as someone who actually grew up in the 80's). Yeah the whole California group got the shaft, especially Jonathan. I don't agree with them resurrecting that Steve-Nancy-Jonathan love triangle. They couldn't have given Steve a new love interest, even if she only appears in a couple of episodes? I can't wait to see your reaction to episode 4, as episode 4 is a bit of a wild ride.

[@ladyhotep5189]

You ever hear about juvenile rights. No questioning allowed without a third party that only has the juveniles interest in mind? You can't just lock up question, fingerprint a 15 yr old

[@ytbuser8886]

I think they're both shld be arrested. Angela gave her mental damage and el gave her a physical damage and they're both dangerous for our health and life.

[@magicbrownie1357]

@@ladyhotep5189 Police can lock up anyone suspected of a crime. Age is irrelevant.

[@srichardf]

@@ladyhotep5189 A minor can be arrested, as I was talking about El being arrested. Yes there are differences between processing a minor over an adult. Like for instance she shouldn’t have been questioned without a parent or guardian present, and I don’t recall the police offering El the chance to speak to an attorney. Also I don’t think they are allowed to take El right to juivie without her going before a judge first.

[@fakecubed]

Hopper still being alive at the end of season 3 wasn't a secret at all. As soon as the last episode of season 3 dropped they leaked it to the media that Hopper was indeed returning for season 4, in order to soften fan anger at losing such a beloved character. Anyone following the production knew he was still in the show, and knew it immediately. They weren't even really trying to hide it, hence the final scene about "the American" in the Russian prison.

[@PillagingGinger]

It’s such a trip watching new people start reacting to this incredible season. It reminds me of all the theories I floated around after every episode. And I remember absolutely losing my mind waiting for the second half of the season to come out. I can’t wait to see the reactions to everything coming together

[@georgedominguez255]

Yes Nefarious is an excellent horror psychological religious “Christian” movie. I feel it will gain a huge following and audience in the future.

[@nerdwatch1017]

The fact the cops were talking to El without her parent or some kind of guardian of representation there with her being under 18 is illegal and should have everything she said thrown out. Since the cops kinda put words into her mouth

[@magicbrownie1357]

Police can arrest people of any age in the US. Where they take them after arresting them is different. Underage are processed and kept with underage. Adults with adults. But the police can arrest anyone.

[@stoneyboloney7232]

Nice effect there with the mugshot. Caught me by surprise and made me chuckle.

[@rileytruax766]

i cant wait till you see what the real reason for hitting the shackles a bunch lol

[@terriermonisgod]

the more i watch this channel the more i get spartans eye rolls over pudgey lol... u guys are hilarious

[@corym.m.3084]

Eleven might be underage but she’s not going to get away with busting another kids head open with a roller skate. Regardless if she was being bullied it doesn’t justify it 😂. With this logic might as well let skool shooters go free

[@vilmavanninen6950]

She's a fictional character. What IS the logic here...?

[@nickrubin7312]

@@vilmavanninen6950 the logic, and even the moral of it, even if you are a good person and hero of the story, who has been bullied by "stereotypical baddies" doesn't justify opening someone head with a rollerblade and getting away with it like it is good and just and fair. I get it, btw, I totally do, I was like that for a long time, but I know I'm wasn't even close to a good person. "Couple stitches", rly? She is girl, she is kid, she behaves like trash and will grow out of it, probably? Does it justify head trauma and face scar for the rest of her life. Billy was egomanical racist piece of crap, yet when Nancy was shooting him in the car we somehow should go "don't you dare", yet when a girl in her teen years is a bit of bully we should go "yeah, scar her for the rest of her life"? Cmon

[@Liam-cg8of]

The only thing I'll say is I don't think they can question her without her parent knowing or being there.

[@adoubledg]

Pudgey’s contagious laugh 😂 got me again during the intro

[@VainSoull]

You can't arrest someone for smashing their face in with an object, comonnnnn 😅😅😅😅😅 laws must be real light wherever their from 🤣🤣

[@evilwelshman]

Unfortunately, when it comes to bullying, there are lots of different contexts that lead to response. And I get it, it is difficult. For one reason or another, bullying behaviour below a certain threshold (i.e. obvious physical injury, e.g. drawing blood) tends to get tolerated and turned a blind eye on by police (and other authorities) when it happens between kids / peers within a school environment, when the same behaviour would likely draw a different response were it to happen outside in public.

[@Corn_Pone_Flicks]

Ooh, trust me, Vecna's not an afterthought. Just hang on a little bit longer.

[@LudusAurea]

Sams dialogue in the diner scene is very empire strikes back.

[@luamorim.b]

Steve and Billy a team?? Billy beat the hell outta Steve in S2!!!

[@hasherssaa]

If you guys like karate kid, I recommend cobra kai. It’s basically a sequel but Johnny and Daniel are grown up and both open karate dojos to get back at one another. I won’t spoil anything, so you guys have something to watch after finishing stranger things.

[@luwirap]

Omy gooooood! Billy is Spartan’s Barbara now!!! Naaaauurrrr!!!

[@juanfajardo1295]

Back when they were teasing season 4 there was a phone number you could call and it was a voice message from Murray to Joyce teasing that Hop might be alive

[@ernieojeda]

The way pudy started laughing at the retake 😂❤️

[@TheFireMonkey]

they weren't hitting directly on the ankle, so the bones aren't broken, but it was enough to badly injure the flesh.

[@Forbidaxe]

Oh no... Pudgey.... I worry for her in the coming episodes. The coming story of Vecna and El's pasts kicks serious butt.

[@Amm1ttai]

Police absolutely can arrest a teen/child for assault. Interrogating a minor without a parent or a lawyer present could later cause any confession to be questioned, if there is suspicion that the child didn't understand their rights. But if they asked El if she wanted a lawyer or parent present and she said no, then they can go ahead and interrogate her without any further issues.

[@jed8935]

Hop was in the trailer for season 4 🤣 it was never a huge plot mystery Pudgy 🤣

[@CharlesVanNoland]

We did have a S4 trailer that dropped some months before the season came out, and it showed Hopper on there, so that was like the official confirmation that he was, in fact, alive.

[@changingmind2522]

This is why I hate watching trailers. Like why would they give that away in a trailer?! 😭

[@CharlesVanNoland]

@@changingmind2522 I know, it was spoilery, but still super exciting - got us all amped for the season! I'm dying to see the last season. It's going to be epicality like none other.

[@dereknolin5986]

I cackled at the editor's mugshot graphic that said -Sporta- Spartan.

[@GOffUnit]

I know what you guys mean with Jonathan. I don't know how the actor could stand the direction the writers took his character. All he seemed to do in season two was cry, and then he carried on moping in season 3.

[@Atlasss97]

Not Spartan writing billy fanfiction😂😂

[@taylorludwig32]

Literally sitting on the edge of my seat for you guys to watch the next episode! 🙌🙌 episode 4 is still to this day one of the most talked about episodes of the entire series! 💯 you're going to lose your minds!

[@rickthatmorty2338]

The joys to my week are waking up to spartan and pudgey!

[@islaythejabberwokky]

Justice for Jonathan's character arc

[@jayconant3816]

Lol the vampire clip had me busting up 😅😅