Billy Bob Interactive Training - Part 1 of 3

[@LANNYMAN6243]

It's actually pretty amazing knowing that during the 80s they had some pretty sophisticated animatronics.

[@anthony_de_paz]

Ikr?

[@Stardust_Nova]

Yeah, the most recent ones barely move as much or as fluently as these used to (and still do) Its so satisfying to see these ones still active on Aaron's channel

[@Axos_Abode]

And they had more scares than your average R rated horror movie.

[@brandonromero421]

Yes ikr

[@artistdream1234]

Plus their not the only animatronics in the 80s

[@davidshoemaker4437]

I worked at a ShowBiz that had this system, it was amazing to be able to control the character. You would be inside a control room that could see the whole dining room, so you could see what was going on and talk about it. This was way ahead of its time.

[@LoxOP]

Better then chuck e cheese they have both of the characters animatronic and walk around

[@thenerd1962]

@@LoxOP Showbiz Pizza also have Walkarounds

[@LoxOP]

@@thenerd1962 yeah I know they also had articulated faces do not think I know about that

[@thenerd1962]

@@LoxOP oh ok then I misread your comment I'm sorry

[@DrShaym]

I like how he shakes whenever he stops moving abruptly.

[@SebastianSteeleTrafficLights]

Dr Shaym LOL YOUR HERE

[@dixiethomason5326]

Same

[@TylerBlevins12]

I just watched one of shayms videos and this was on my recommended and I watched

[@hawksgoated3613]

its the souls of the children trying to escape

[@emilypilukas336]

​​​@@hawksgoated3613 Billy Bob Brockali: My friends and I are not possed by children souls! ( Roars realistically) Well, I'm not too sure.

[@sergeantinky621]

Even if I'm a kid , I have researched for 2 years of all of the show tapes, commercials , walk around costumes , animatronics , and history altogether. We need showbiz back

[@Notsofunnyman217]

5 year old me wouldn't be scared of that

[@KellyRLane]

Me to

[@FatzGeronimo1982]

Preach it

[@Covid_lover]

Me too let’s bring em back

[@zippymufo9765]

Trust me kids, I was there many times in the 80's and the RAE wasn't all that. My hometown Showbiz had the sound cranked too loud and you couldn't even talk without yelling while they were playing.

[@PossumCrafts]

I always see more people complaining about the FNAF comments than the actual FNAF comments.

[@doh5537]

so true.....

[@naomitidings1370]

stfu

[@realbasherverse]

Fuck fnaf

[@supercappymario]

Naomi Tidings fuck off

[@kwittak]

Nice

[@Pumpkitten]

Is it me or does this make you want to be one of those people who controls the animatrionics.

[@theshad0wmastr0fclass92]

I know right

[@Axos_Abode]

That way I wouldn't have to see them.

[@felixgaming9300]

Pumpkitten I wanna control billy bob

[@DantheToonMan]

Didn’t they usually program them with the show tapes before shipping them to the restaurants?

[@Goofy-kid431]

Yea

[@amberruxpin]

This is perfect ASMR material, Billy Bob has a lovely voice and I find him rather calming ♡

[@Elavator66]

SAME! i absolutely love this video.

[@elgeeie]

It's really incredible how well these robots are programmed!

[@AGPArchivist]

Comment section: 1% FNAF comments 98.5% People complaining about the FNAF comments 0.5% Everything else

[@spacekitt.n]

+Billy Shears Gaming ACTUALLY it has become: Comment section: 1% FNAF comments 1% People complaining about the FNAF comments 97.5% People complaining that there are more people complaining about FNAF comments than there are actual FNAF comments 0.5% Everything else

[@AGPArchivist]

spacekitt3n Touche...

[@NinjaGodzilla]

All of the fnaf comments got removed

[@juliangarcia5155]

Can you sing how do you get a girlfriend

[@juliangarcia5155]

Can you sing how do you get a girlfriend

[@emmaarmstrong2927]

I really like this feature of where they can interact with people LIVE! That’s pretty cool and makes the experience better, even with the breathing on the mike 🙂

[@NightParadox]

For some reason, I find the Rock-afire adorable, but I find CEC scary. It has to be the voice acting, just gives so much personality to characters like Billy Bob.

[@schmootheonly]

It doesn't help that they just stuck the CEC skins on Rock afire skeletons

[@AbrahamE]

For some reason I only like Studio C Chuck E Cheese the rock-afire explosion is amazing

[@123ili]

its cus the cec animatronics look bad

[@ramendoodles1680]

I kinda wish I was born in the 80's so I could see what good animatronic shows were like.

[@FreeSpiritPaulette]

You still can at Disney world. Then again it’s expensive

[@ComicAuzi]

"The system enhances the illusion that I am a real person! I-I mean bear!" Shh! Don't let the bears know that! Especially the female ones. That wouldn't be pretty.

[@emilypilukas336]

Billy Bob Brockali: Sorry about that. I literally meant to say bear.

[@beetlepawss]

8:48 Jesus Christ.

[@QuesoGr7]

Yeah these things were pretty creepy lol

[@wilsonthevolleyball1868]

We call this the signature "Welcome to hell!" laugh!

[@5QU1DiNK]

I think we should remove the head up part lol

[@lord_taco777]

Amen

[@Axos_Abode]

Is my nigga

[@VCJunkie]

Honey! I’m home! Hello, Dear! How was work today? Well, a talking bear taught me how to use an electronic soundboard. ... Honey? ...Dammit! I thought you were clean now! Yeah, I thought so too...

[@lizdepictor90]

Good to see that there is still files about how to control these guys, so anyone can see the hard work the operator(s) did to entertain folks back then.

[@ReadingAreaRailfan]

1980's: show biz with 2090 Technology 2019: chuck e cheese doesn't do shit

[@Covid_lover]

Lol

[@Affenganove12]

U can B R E A K D A N C E

[@noaghostuna]

Literally, I even like the ones from Showbiz more than the ones from Chuck E. cheese

[@iceturtle5152]

I’m getting nostalgia even though I wasn’t even born here but billy Bob is just too darn cute!!!

[@PresidentPixel]

Billy Bob: Hey there son! What’s your name? Kid: Sammy! Billy Bob: Can you tell me what your favorite food is? Sammy: Chuck E. Cheese brand pizza! Billy Bob: Do you lock your windows at night before you go to bed Sammy? Sammy: No... Billy Bob: Good to know!

[@giovanniferreira581]

*HOLY SHIT THIS IS A FNAF 4 REFERENCE!!!!!* And i used a *JOJO MEME FORMAT*

[@maracuj44]

OMG LMAO

[@Covid_lover]

LOL

[@looneycam2762]

LOL

[@Chipmunkboy]

Yeah, and then after the show hes told the news of them merging with Pizza Time Theatere...

[@fluffkin7432]

Show biz was better than CEC. The animatronics are creepy, but the animatronics can tell u ur name, talk to you, and unlike chucky, literally interact with you.

[@mollymoonfan5939]

Emerald the Pirate fox *Foxys gf* Don't the Showbiz animatronics also have more movements? :)

[@fluffkin7432]

mollymoon fan Yeah. I went to CEC and they have 2 different movements.

[@DannyFreddy]

mollymoon fan crazy huh?! 20 years later after chuckee c. Betrayed his friends back at showbiz, he still doesn't even have technology as advanced as them, odd if you think about it.

[@TheDankEngineer]

+The Emerald Princess no! the least movements is 8 and that was made before showbiz

[@Cortanasboyfriend]

Fluffkin actually these animatronics are alot less creepy than chuckie cheese animatronics IMO and they move better and are better in all aspects by far.

[@blueboxfnaf]

Billy Bob seems so nervous. His voice cracks a lot.

[@matturban9103]

I got to play with the interactive system at the Charlotte,North Carolina location in the mid 1980s. Sat in a little booth with a one way glass. Wore the Billy Bob walkaround out a few times too. My brother wore the walk around a lot!

[@genericusername5001]

I am now fully qualified for life. Thank you.

[@buzzcocksjr6422]

i love vintage animatronics, these are better than crud e. cheese with its trash-ugly robots.

[@Stardust_Nova]

Yeah, they barely even move. If you see them move a lot its probably a reused Rockafire Explosion animatronic

[@freaky.g283]

ikr

[@4457Specialk]

buzzcocks jr bruh you are wrong

[@aki4748]

buzzcocks jr you do know the chuck e chess’s ones are the rock afire explotion but in different cosmedics

[@Covid_lover]

@@aki4748 he means the rock afire costumes look better and worked a bit better since Chuck E. Cheese’s changed some of the movements they don’t work as well

[@itsomqbluethepotatoomq298]

This is awesome that Billy Bob did the speech instead of a boring 50 year old!

[@opticlightning3353]

At the time that sort of thing was very new. Before then yeah, you typically would meet an actual person who probably doesn't even work the job and gets paid thousands for showing a tutorial video on how to drop fucking KFC fried chicken. This makes it fun and enjoyable for doing your job.

[@xanderw7930]

HECK HE COULD EVEN NARRATE A PHONE BOOK AND MAKE IT SOUND INTERESTING

[@tedgreversiii1956]

I'm getting pretty tired of people comparing show biz to fnaf...

[@jacktv8606]

OMG i know XD

[@james43261]

Me too

[@technerdbird]

Im not :(

[@JDMilitaria]

UnluckyRabbit If anything it's good fnaf got popular, people do research and see the old animatronics from the 80's early 90's and it put's more intrest on show biz pizza. :)

[@mrarky8958]

Ted Grevers Well, get over it.

[@ladyturantulo]

Hmm. The controls don't actually look so bad to memorize, almost looks like a video game controller lol

[@just-a-squishstudios]

I love how there were manual controls to animate them. It looks like so much fun to do. I wish I could do this as a job. Honestly I want Billy Bob to wave at me in person XD.

[@shadowgrimfoxy592]

Well they are controlled by something this is just for interactive stuff

[@harrisam2663]

I love Billy Bob he is my favorite out of the five

[@JuanSalazar-br2nh]

There's actually 8 animatronics in The Rock afire Explosion. Does anyone around here believe me?!

[@workingclown]

this is bad ass. I saw ole billy bob in the "electric feel" music video by mgmt, and had to look him up. Good to see you old friend

[@bananaboxers254]

2:32 *Silent Screaming*

[@Digit4lSpace]

???

[@sp1nda]

Its upsetting to me that stupid kids don't care to learn the story behind these beloved animatronics. They were THE best animatronic band, and were so innovative for many places such as Chuck E. Cheese's animatronics, Disney Land, and other places of the sort. The creative engineer created the Whac-A-Mole, and unfortunately, they had to go out of business around the same time Arcades began to close and places like Blockbuster went bankrupt. It's truly sad how the people worked so hard on these animatronics, and everyone just says "FIVE NIGHTS AT FREDDY'S WAS REAL OMG!!" and don't appreciate how much sheer effort was put into the Rock-afire Explosion band.

[@roxanne410]

We can all appreciate that there was genuine effort put into it. I've always been afraid of the animatronics since I was a child, but I always did appreciate how they were made. FNAF is really big on gaming culture right now, though. People such as myself like to solidify something that scares them in order to help satisfy the feeling of either fear or unsettlement. Lots of us do appreciate it, and you have to realize that FNAF brought more attention to these opposed to desensitizing them. I think it's rather upsetting that someone would put down so many people who genuinely enjoy these works of art in other ways other than ignoring a mainsteam game. FNAF is a genuinely good game, and people are fans. Fans do research. We actually think these are amazingly done, but relating it to a fandom we like. It's like saying we can't appreciate dragons because we like 'how to train your dragon'. *sigh*

[@sp1nda]

roxanne410 Did you even read the comments on this video? They're disrespectful children who have no idea how great these creations were. Fandoms are absolutely stupid, they ruined everything I liked about Five Night's at Freddy's. The gameplay isn't intriguing in any way, it's the story behind it that makes it good. They compare these EXTREMELY innovative creations to an indie video game, that does not nearly have as much time, work, money, and effort put into it. FNaF did NOT actually bring more attention to them, it caused people to be reminded of the indie game "meme" because a popular KZbinr played it and overreacted to the jumpscares. What gave it more attention was when the actual creative engineer and a dedicated nostalgic fan bought the Rock-afire band, and began to play modern songs on them. The dragon analogy is absolutely ridiculous, by the way.

[@biguglybucker]

Any place I can find this? Or did they replace it with chuck e cheese?

[@sp1nda]

Logan Harris You could purchase a set of the animatronics, but otherwise no, unfortunately they were replaced by CEC.

[@biguglybucker]

Damn, it must not be cheap to buy these guys. But its probably worth every penny.

[@GoatYouhhudawg]

I wish Show Biz would come back.

[@Covid_lover]

@Camden Grabowski :( billy bobs wonderland is still open but I can’t afford to go

[@TheShrekShow]

BILLY BOB

[@Lincolntowncoupe]

This is the absolute best I've ever seen one of these operating. All the other videos i see of rockafire are showing them basically failing and breaking down

[@clonerstive]

7:55 - 7:57 Neeed. GIF!

[@clonerstive]

***** You, sir... are the hero we need. My greatest thanks to you.

[@amblyn8254]

@@w3irdo13 I'm spooked mcgooked

[@natej4230]

Sp1nach Yes that is so true. I want to see the rock-afire so badly again!

[@JohnathanPozzi]

When I was kid, Chuck E Cheese used to be called Showbiz Pizza, and we had Billy Bob instead of chuck e cheese

[@eggbag4182]

I like hearing the voice of Billy Bob getting progressively more bored and irritated while recording

[@shilpwift3366]

You know who’s special? 4:33

[@cringeanarchy7675]

Thank you 😔

[@just-a-squishstudios]

That made me smile thank you

[@midnightthesmartfox9981]

Thanks

[@FunkiBeastLin]

I'd say that there was more effort being put into the animatronics, than nowadays at Chuck E Cheese.

[@POKEMONmaster2165]

The person instructing this sounds a lot like Mr.Garrison from 'South Park"

[@rockafireshowbiz7351]

+omegapixelfredbear 64 only mr.mackey says Mkay ._.

[@deadaccount7569]

No kiddin' !

[@TrainmasterCurt]

“Texas voiceboard” Ya’ll!

[@lostgirl1243]

This comment needs more likes 😂

[@hi-es9ff]

Rockafireshowbiz LMAO

[@TheDarkVoxel]

Rabid FNAF fan here. As someone who was born to late to visit Showbiz, that game was really what got me into finding out how they work and the effort put into these antique machines. Sure, the vocal part of the fan base is often nasty, but some of us genuinely appreciate the painstaking work and detail put into these animatronics: which we never would have noticed had it not been for the game. That being said, it’s kinda sad that these restaurants are going extinct and have the bad publicity about murderous animatronics: but I guess Freddy and friends are rekindling the appreciation for robotic entertainment in a good way, too.

[@bergensteinmacwhorfmanteis2417]

Watching this while stoned includes a shocking amount of hilarity and miserableness. No more for me thank you.

[@jeffreydotson4842]

Some one ought to do a voice dub of this with Billy Bob complaining about his restaurant being compared to FNAF.

[@JuanSalazar-br2nh]

I can draw that for you. 😊

[@Throwawrenchrestorations]

I hate chuck e cheese i want showbiz back!

[@Throwawrenchrestorations]

+dog the Pao the chuck e robot was Ralph de wolf

[@blisterednugs]

its open again but there mix with the mijins the old rocken rollgroup

[@amberfox9543]

You and me both

[@hi-kp4gf]

Showbiz i miss you

[@bonniehaller7019]

Wow this REALLY COOL! Employee training videos are an important part of a growing company.

[@schmootheonly]

His wave is so cute

[@medecinewagon]

Yeah 💗🐻🍕

[@michelledoyle3654]

Wow. Though I wasn't even there for said performances, I'm so sorry that this pizzeria was bought out. My favorite was Mitzi, she was good.

[@b.collins2656]

damn these machines must have been high-tech for their day

[@twistedaxles9126]

2:55 When someone busts open a pack of doritos in class:

[@christianjaime2327]

8:43 THE NOISE HE MADE🤣

[@MonkeyWithNoBomb]

I love the fact that resturant animatronics were first meant to be used so that people in costumes wouldn't have to, because of breaks and stuff. but the fact that mostly it's like, "you can control the animatronics" you would have to take breaks, right, therefore undoing the original mean. Oh, wait, that's just for manual usage.

[@Covid_lover]

Does anyone else think billy bobs laugh is kinda sweet

[@emilypilukas336]

I think his laugh is cute and sweet.

[@toni929ann]

at least Billy Bob is not creepy unlike the Chuck-E-Cheese animatronics

[@BIGALrz053]

This is super cool! The controls are so simple, it's amazing. I go to a tech and engineering school and I'm sure that the engineering department would be super interested in this. If not them, robotics club at the very least. Now to find someone who's actually IN engineering [i'm in the creative digital media path myself: they start fires on accident all the time in engineering. fuckers are crazy].

[@Florida37GG]

this is truly extraordinary, this would of been amazing back then

[@carlstrathearn2398]

I love these animatronics.. I remember them from my childhood and I was always entertained and fascinated by them. I made an animatronic system earlier on in the year that uses an adapted version of the Eliza program (Turing test) and and Xbox kinect module to make it a fully automated system. It is these quirky animatronics that where the inspiration for that project.

[@grandaddylandscape2474]

I'm here because I love vintage employee training videos.

[@e_uthymia]

GOD I MISS MY DAD WORKING IN SHOWBIZ

[@theretrobullet]

He looks cool

[@cooltextstorys268]

Billy Bob's movement is WAY to real

[@sethhorst6158]

Creative Engineering really puts effort into making their animatronic's advanced.

[@SammyJ_Studios]

I wish this stuff was still around

[@ethan6581_]

Even though I like fnaf, I new about the Rockafire way before it. And I appreciate this stuff for what it is, and I have always been a huge fan of the RAE. And its sad when alot of people compare fnaf with it

[@ryguystudios64]

I love fnaf but what’s rockafire and

[@ChicagoMel23]

@@ryguystudios64 the stage show that included Billy Bob

[@Beelze_Bubbles]

I wish I could have met these animatronics! They look so cool! My first animatronic band I've ever met was Chuck E Cheese's, unsurprisingly. I was born 1995.

[@samantha6676]

this is terrifying to me but his voice is actually kinda cute

[@JuanSalazar-br2nh]

Billy Bob Brockali: Aww, you're too kind. 😊

[@sethwood1003]

There's a exican restaurant in Colorado called Casa Bonita that used to have similar anamatronics

[@TheDutyPaid]

Press down on the right to move to the left?

[@TheGreen_Banana]

I think it's because it means stage left, the operator is looking at it from the audience's perspective, so tilting right to go stage left would make more sense

[@lostgirl1243]

I thought that 😂

[@001GenLee]

So when the band would play on stage, there were people controlling their every move from a secret room? ....or were they on a programmer that made them move in the way that they did? I'm curious to know. lol

[@soft_box9331]

Poor animatronics Little did they know they had a bomb coming their way

[@jjyuill-rblx]

Still watch these cause I love em

[@T0ronkoo]

This is just a Fnaf vhs tape video but irl 💀

[@LycanBeast15]

I was just about to say the same thing lol

[@bbpuppetsandpropsinc.ffoun4069]

This is fricking awesome!!! I’ve been searching the internet lately for research on how these gifts work, and hopefully start making my own animatronics!

[@theanimatronicfollower929]

That's such a bad voice for Billy Bob. Good try but they could of got Aaron!

[@joeycox2614]

I didn't know he had a different voice! It's still ok to me.

[@joeycox2614]

Still sounds nice to me. If you think otherwise, that's ok. :)

[@vixentherandom3507]

TheAnimatronicFollower that's how he sounds like bro :/

[@sethhorst6158]

CEC Illinois, why did Aaron not like it?

[@allcapsROB]

Seth Horst He liked The idea for interactive animatronics, but not the way the Showbiz execs wanted to do it (this way). When he said no to this very idea, they pulled rank and did it anyway with some random voice actor.

[@eugenemckinney8736]

What more could a big brown one-toothed bear do for children at Showbiz

[@pgj1997]

That control panel actually looks really intuitive. You put your two hands on the circular discs, and it works kind of like a gamepad. Props to whoever came up with that design. They knew what they were doing. Reminds me of what VR controllers would later do. One flaw I can think of, though. Were the employees able to see what they were doing? Because that seems pretty important. I don't think it would be very practical to have someone control the animatronic, and have no reference as to what their movements actually look like. The only thing I can think of is to use the surveillance cameras for that. If FNaF has taught us anything, it's that these sort of establishments do indeed have a set of cameras to monitor what's going on (night guards are an actual thing too, by the way, it's to prevent the expensive machinery and the like from being stolen). Anything else would be too obvious, and break the illusion. Depends on where exactly the "control booth" is, I guess.

[@finlaygibson8356]

Ive been trying to find out more about the control panel but as far as I can tell the only thing on the internet about it is this video

[@Minecraftgirl-hs1yh]

Guys please stop complaining about how people are saying this is like FNAF. Scott thought about if the robots could move around so basically FNAF is INSPIRED by FNAF

[@Ten-ThousandBees]

Minecraftgirl78 800 Actually FNaF is inspired by Chippers lumber and co.

[@-CloClo-]

That’s pretty cool to have interactive robots that can communicate with the kids.

[@maybeitsalice]

i wasn't alive during the time of the rockafire explosion, but i like it much, MUCH better. wish it was still alive.

[@mondenkindqueen]

This is fascinating.

[@Digit4lSpace]

i love the wave

[@lisalee7761]

Don’t look now but this video is older than me

[@mmzchannel7287]

Lol

[@JuanSalazar-br2nh]

4:35 I can barely see that fluffy paw of his.

[@StonedOuttaMind]

Even though I'm a big fan of Fnaf, I get pissed off myself when people compare the rock afire explosion to the game. Like seriously, come on. Fnaf isn't real, just a game (a good one) and the rock afire explosion was for entertainment. And I love the rock afire explosion.

[@scout3752]

THIS

[@StonedOuttaMind]

Eh

[@jeffreydotson4842]

+Christina Wallette Yeah, there are people who actuall believe that Fazzbear's Pizzeria is or at least was a real place. When they can't find any real evidence they play the cover-up card. I could say that I saw a bunch of pink elves stealing M&M's and blame lack of evidence on a cover-up.

[@franticpanda2008]

+Christina Wallette FINALLY someone who gets it!

[@ethan6581_]

MrsGrumpySuits Inc. fnaf is the best

[@lyeondoe4990]

I love that laugh though

[@TheFunnyColours]

I don't mean to add to the whole "Five Nights at Freddy's" ordeal on this video, but honestly without it I wouldn't have gotten into this sort of thing. Animatronics used to scare me when I was younger, but ever since wandering into and learning about RAE and CEC I've been in love with them. When I saw Concept Unification, I remembered how the CEC near me was oddly familiar...so its sad to know that CEC was originally a Showbiz. But then again, such rich history near me makes me excited! I've learned a lot ever since and I'm very intrigued to learn more about these great franchises

[@SpikeLanta]

i can imagine. I loved the rockafire explosion!

[@WednesdayWorks]

at 3:31 you see the face of DEATH.

[@billybobtheanimatronic5839]

Pickle Master no silly thats...when lily put something in my butt

[@Retrococoa]

Omfg That Comment Just Made My Day.

[@jacktutorial2502]

I love billy bob

[@Marios_MadnessFan23]

Tanley

[@TheBandkanon]

this was actually very informative. Such an impossible-looking design is actually made as simple as a game controller. But I feel like robotics haven't really improved since then.

[@jacktutorial2502]

I love how he waves

[@Len11999]

I really wish someone (other than chuck e cheese) mad an animatronic band like this, the movement is so fluent and if they were still being made today, they might have actually been able to walk!

[@yourfav_yoroi]

This is so fascinating to me

[@arkansasrivervalleyhistori1089]

I love how they are not programmed in its free style

[@Somerandomjingleberry]

There ARE pre programmed shows for sure But Billy Bob specifically had this "free play" mode too, it seems

[@oklahomaisbest]

ah the good ol 80s

[@thetwistedsamurai]

Sp1nach Had to say that I really wish there were more people here that weren't FNAF-obsessed. Granted I'm glad it brought back some attention to these guys, but every single video is filled to the brim with those comments. >_< I'd kill to go see the West Virginia show, or even the Rock-afire Explosion from the documentary... my only hope is that the game maybe could refurbish these guys due to obsessed fans... I dunno.

[@aracelifierro537]

a n. .bb y

[@PointeChick08]

The one here in WV rocks!! People here don't realize how rare it is though!

[@Ladondorf]

sonicawesomeness IKR

[@brittanylolol]

I miss Circus Pizza.

[@ayame316]

This is better than a horror movie!

[@hallsofvallhalla]

I have this controller and a Billy Bob. Thanks for posting. Now i am trained!

[@ChickenEliminator]

Wow I want one of those.

[@sethhorst6158]

It would've been cool if there was one for Looney Bird as well.