Specialized Launch The 2022 Kenevo SL | Putting The E In Enduro?

[@embn]

Would you pick up the Kenevo SL?

[@ElectricMountainBiker]

I would like to try one, would have been good if they sent you the version we could more afford but I also would not turn down the chance to ride an s-works either. It appears to be a another good option for those choosing their next emtb, but not one for me. Full fat all the way ⚡

[@rgd1977]

No absolutely not. I’d rather have full power and the extra weight, I don’t really care how heavy it is when riding down hill. I’d rather have full power for the climbs. Reliability is a big issue with this brand and is enough to turn me away from any of their ebikes. Obviously the price is a complete joke. I’d take a regular non ebike over this, I don’t see the appeal at all.

[@briandavis8675]

Emtb should replace mtb, but how can they when they release a bike with a lame battery then a normal bike can out pedal 🤷‍♂️. Waste of time in my opinion. The kenevo is meant to be a big mountain bike or park bike. Cant ride big mountain because battery will go flat . Cant ride park because battery go flat. May as well have a normal bike as you are not limited by such a lame battery!! I just hope when they release the REAL kenevo it will have a 800/900wh battery so it can really be used for what its intended for!

[@Coolcmsc]

Hard to tell from your recent vids, because your reviews are of such a limited range of manufacturers…. Consistency of reviewer on one YT chan is worth its weight in gold, but only if said reviewer reports on a wide range of manufacturers as well as a wide range of types of EMTB from a narrow range of manufacturers…

[@SylvainLasnier]

I'm not sure light EMTB is the way. I prefer keep an MTB to get regular feeling sometime. And EMTB to get more fun, but more planted bike

[@dewindoethdwl2798]

I love these “reviews” but would find them more informative if the bikes were the basic cooking variety. If the bog -standard “mortgage to pay, kids to feed” affordable(ish) versions are any good then the upgraded versions will surely be better. I mean new ebike prices are more than I’ve ever spent on a car!

[@Mcfc2Rich]

I agree. I bought the Kenevo SL comp but I could only find S-Works and expert videos. I think it might be to do with specialized only giving out S-Works to these KZbinrs. They want you to spent £12,500 instead of £7000

[@Bristecom]

I wish they would do a cheaper aluminum one or something. I know it's two different things but I think I'd rather just have a nice motorcycle for that price.

[@robociock]

This guy is the best, he rides best bikes in the world and don't have to spend 14k

[@MaxGiehl]

The starting price is literally a joke

[@stevejones7956]

Hi there, please be aware that Levos start at £2500 for HT and £4800 for FS

[@peteturner8493]

@@stevejones7956 Yes but we are talking about the Kenevo SL going south of nearly £9K and probably outside the reach of your average Joe Bloggs, you can sell a few at a high price or many more at a much lower one? If the true cost of components was known it would shock most ppl to know the mark up of this and other premium brand bikes!!

[@OurCognitiveSurplus]

Dudes, you need to make a clause in your sponsor contracts that you get to say 3 bad things about a reviewed product. Every single thing you review is amazing and perfect and game changing. It’s just no plausible. It makes me want to stop watching. Please.

[@unfurling3129]

Good idea

[@MrMark00024]

Yeah good idea, you need to be a bit more real with these reviews. We need a Jeremy Clarkson of bike reviews. 🤣🤣🤣

[@stevejones7956]

Hi there, sorry to be very clear....this is not a review

[@msawyer110]

Lol then stop watching.

[@OurCognitiveSurplus]

@@msawyer110 most of my friends have. I will sooner or later. It’s just a shame that this channel has all these resources and budget and great personalities, but seemingly no courage or insight into the sport

[@fimbles1015]

35nm seems very low?

[@stevejones7956]

It's a very different type of bike to Levo

[@Dubnside]

Jeez for €14,000 I think i'll hire a personal trainer and have a chef prepare healthy foods, lose 10kg get faster and buy a capable enduro bike for €4,000!

[@gkiss2030]

And have more fun in the process... I tried the first gen Turbo Levo Expert FSR and was impressed, but still like the feeling/mood of my old Kona Stinky '08 better.

[@asifitmatters1]

You mean 15k!!!!

[@porschexual]

U dont buy a electric bike to lose weight lol☕️

[@asifitmatters1]

@@porschexual yes you do! Losing weight is also about the length of time you can exercise for. So by keeping your heart rate in the right zone for a longer period of time you can lose weight more effectively than with a bio bike which could end up being too full on.

[@kaushiksharma8390]

I love my 2020 Levo, paid 7500AUD, Expert Knevo SL at $15000 AUD with mid to low range parts is beyond a joke.

[@msawyer110]

Same

[@TheAngryHusky]

No way in hell I'm paying these prices for a bike.

[@steveaj1985]

It’s only $9000 base model 🤣

[@leightondavies8884]

Great video - who was the rider who covered for Steve on the jump parts ? 🤭😁

[@brianthompson1045]

I have been critical of your specialized videos in the past but this time you nailed it! No arrogance in the interview this time, just an honest/humble assessment of the bike. Well done Steve but but you know we all wanna see Chris put a beat down on some huge jumps! Lol

[@stevejones7956]

Thanks Brian, and sorry you feel a previous interview was "arrogant".... could you let me know what that was please?

[@brianthompson1045]

@@stevejones7956 an example was the video with one of the designers from specialized were he said consumers need to be told what they need to buy and compared it to a car purchase. Saying a consumer needs to be told whether they need a minivan or a sports car because we are not smart enough to figure out what we need or want on our own. It’s not EMBN but Specialized who come off as self important and arrogant.

[@me987651234]

So it's like a more expensive, less powerful, lower capacity version of the santa cruz bullit 🤔🤔

[@unfurling3129]

Which was already really expensive

[@stevejones7956]

Hi there, it's actually a totally different type of emtb

[@me987651234]

@@stevejones7956 Ah right ok 👍, do you personally think many people will be buying bikes (from any manufacturer) at this price? I understand that they are very high spec bikes, but when you look at the value, it seems hard to justify even if I had £12,500 spare to spend on a bike. (BTW I'm not hating on the bike, it looks absolutely amazing and it'd be awsome ride)

[@stevejones7956]

@@me987651234 Tough one that, what i do know is that Levo's start at 4800 which is probably the bike most people will choose right?

[@416to212]

Steve Jones always killing it in these videos.

[@porroco]

Wonder if there is an option to mullet that bike with the hi/low options

[@Coolcmsc]

So…. Only 3kg lighter than an Santa Cruz Bullit which is no more expensive for an equivalent build…… Yet the Bullit has a much bigger battery paired to a powerful motor similar geo and 170 front and back … Time for you guys to review the Bullit please…. Oh, and yes I know about the second battery, but that adds weight (?1.5kg?) and the watt/hours are still less than the Bullit and it doesn’t change motor power… Lastly, the Bullit is Mullit, so, you say speed, well what kind of speed? When? Lastly, that BB height in Bullit equivalent geo, that’s a bit low isn’t it? Review of Bullit please?

[@stevejones7956]

Hi there, i dont quite understand why you are comparing this bike to a very different beast?

[@Coolcmsc]

@@stevejones7956 Steve, it’s mainly for three reasons. 1. For a just a Kg or so more (SLK with bat extender), the Bullit may not otherwise be so different in the slack SLK geo. 2. It was Specialized, not you or I, who chose to shake up this conversation by calling this frame an SL Kenevo, the previous gen being a hard hitting bike - a point you made too 3. But mainly a way of attracting your attention: How do we know it’s so different - certainly nothing about SC E-bikes on your channel - and maybe I can prompt you to consider your business model (how you choose bikes to review). Thanks for responding and I think you guys are great 😀

[@CarkeekW]

@@stevejones7956 for sure it is different , but it would be great to visit the Santa store and take one for a ride

[@strutstipher]

I like, but £12half grand and you still need to change the brakes.

[@993mike]

Still think the Specialized SL bikes need higher power, more like the Orbea Rise has

[@HarryKuloh]

Yup. Orbea has 60nm versus 35nm in the SLs

[@johnreese3762]

WOW! Thoughts: I want one! Great review Steve!

[@MrMr-mq8yd]

This is an add, not a review. Steve said it himself, see reply to other comments.

[@johnwarner129]

Prefer this frame design to previous Specialized emtb’s. Is the motor still the Brose though?

[@stevejones7956]

It's not in this bike no

[@johnwarner129]

Thanks Steve

[@Cheapsh0t247]

might only be in the S-Works top level, but its the first main brand that i have seen to have a "Frame Only" eBike option

[@SweBun]

Is it really fair though to compare weight between the Enduro and the S-works Kenevo SL? Lets be honest. Only a few percent will be able to affor the S-works model. Most will go with the Comp when it arrives. Then the weight difference will be bigger.

[@bikevoltrides7209]

This is a perfect do it all bike. I am thinking of selling my MetaPower29 and my Spez Enduro.🤔😁

[@dewindoethdwl2798]

Please can you do a Full-fat vs SL test involving “the rock” or “the slab”? Also, for trials fun, would an SL be better for nimbleness or would the grunt of Full-fat win the day?

[@CrashOrganism]

I should have that S-Works Turbo Kenevo SL by the end of next week. My last bike was the Scott Spark 960, Hoping the assist will help with my confidence in my knees.

[@Phalanx_84]

I totally agree, there will come a day when your 'normal' MTB becomes extinct but not until the prices of these ridiculously high priced bikes become extinct.

[@brendan1]

I'm surprised they didn't try to put more power in like the Orbea Rise. For 50% more cost too.

[@mudmuncher90]

Specialized say nothing is lighter ?. Orbea rise is

[@Aidan-nt5do]

@@mudmuncher90 orbea rise is supposed to be competition to the Levo sl not kenevo

[@marcello8823]

Enduro with motor! 🤘

[@thim8009]

Beautiful bike, still waiting to get my hands on an expert or comp Gen 3 levo

[@stevejones7956]

Great bikes the Levo's

[@msawyer110]

Love mine

[@Mcfc2Rich]

Love my Kenevo SL. Yeah it's dear but all the best stuff is. It's fucking beautiful. Every day I look at mine it never ages. Gives me lots of power up to the trails, and comes down them *way* quicker than my old eBike. Capable an sturdy af too.

[@antoniolatorre8780]

Nice bike, but 14,000 pounds and still needing to add 500 to replace to a decent brake set, makes no sense. I´d pay this price when the motor can reach close to 90 Nm and the battery is around 700 Wh at the same SL weight, else same. Before that point, the actual price just seems out of the market curve price.

[@antoniolatorre6047]

@guacyume in the 90´s mobile phones came in the form of a bag with a large antenna, 2 hrs lasting battery, and a cable to join the earphone and microphone all weighting around 5-6 kgs.... You know how the story ends today with the smartphones.

[@johnmorrison8351]

Did you already have the helmet or did you get that to match?

[@1969Escobar]

Steve Potter and the magical stick, great video as always, thanks

[@stevejones7956]

Thanks Andres means a lot

[@1969Escobar]

@@stevejones7956 cheers from Colombia 🇨🇴

[@Roaming50]

Why buy an Enduro? Easy. ‘Cause I live in a region of the US where eMTBs are still banned on any trail worth riding. 😢

[@rolux4853]

That’s ridiculous, especially for these SL models.. Do they ban fat people on bikes too? They also do more trail damage, but nobody in their right mind would deny a bigger person to ride the trails just because of his weight.. I’m really disappointed that there are such laws in the US.. Here in Germany you’re still allowed to ride your Ebike on mtb trails, thanks god!

[@stevejones7956]

Oh hell now that's an interesting comment. Sorry to hear that, whereabouts is this?

[@Roaming50]

@@stevejones7956 Boulder, Colorado. But much of the US still does not allow eMTBs on single track. Only moto trails.

[@Roaming50]

@@rolux4853 totally agree. The Fed has declared class 1 eMTBs as bicycles but it is still up to State and local land managers if they allow them. Unfortunately the hiker lobby is full of old biddies that don’t like MTB and consider eMTB “motorbikes”. Even worse is that they’re a powerful lobby so land managers are not quick to change. We also have a stupid amount of analog bikers that get butt hurt over eMTBs in “their” trails and advocate to keep them off as well 🤦‍♂️ It’s gradually changing but it’s slow.

Great bike, but price is a joke. Going strong with my Giant Trance E0 2020 into 2021 ;-)

[@DC13333]

It starts the end of cars for local transportation.

[@electric_boogaloo496]

You are not going to park a bike as expensive as that in the city and find it back when you return. At least motorcycles are harder to steal.

[@thesteeley2082]

You'll soon get fed up of only 35Nm of torque on big days out with other full fat bikes & price is ridiculous !

[@nobodyshero200]

Needs 50nm more??? I would feel seen off on 35nm for 12K. Probably fine at the FOD. It is so flat.

[@markswinney3821]

How long will it last before you will need the motor being replaced

[@PepesInfiniteRide]

No doubt the bike is beautiful and well equipped, but who should pay for it? There are so many competitors who offer something similar and that for significantly less money. So what makes this bike so special that I should pay € 14,000 for it? Anyway, thank you for the Review.

[@nonanon666]

I'll be slapping an aftermarket motor on my low-miles 2017 Enduro, saving thousands, won't be hamstrung by governors, and will have a thumb throttle for those technical uphill sections where I don't want to risk a pedal strike.

[@sionjones1675]

How do you find it on mega-technical climbs compared to the full-fat e-bikes? Does the reduced power compromise that kind of thing at all, or is it offset by the lighter bike? One of the appeals of e-mtb for me is to make the "unclimable" climable, using that extra torque, and the very smooth power output.

[@stevejones7956]

Hey Sion if you're thing is climbing the unclimable it's Levo every day. This is a different type of bike

[@sionjones1675]

@@stevejones7956 That's really interesting, thanks for taking the time to answer, Steve.

[@NeilsEMTBWorld]

I’m unsure.... will take a while to digest 🤙🏻🔋⚡️

[@smitty993]

Price is a joke, so glad I got my 2019 Levo at a third of the price and it will still be going when you’re battery is flat. You can buy a very good quality motorbike that will do 150mph for the same (or less) money. Kind of think Specialized have lost the plot with pricing.

[@stevejones7956]

Hi there, please be aware that Levos start at £2500 for HT and £4800 for FS

[@jasonsensation46]

I'm buying a 2020 model for £3700. It's steep but I will enjoy every second of it.

[@nortondlcl]

Super expensive! Why ?

[@gilbertogonzalez9494]

Why with all the competitors using 60nm on their sl’s?

[@gilbertogonzalez9494]

Why not get the forestal serion with 60nm , it’s an anduro lightweight. I’m wanting to pull the trigger but it’s overseas!what do you 🤔

[@solaris8118]

@Steve Jones While I enjoy your content/presentation, this launch analysis (I know, its NOT a review) seems to irritate the non ebikers (haters are going to hate) and the average ebike rider who don't seem to understand that Specialized have a wide range of price points for their various models. I understand that presenting their flagship SWORKS Kenevo SL shows off their top of the line model but it would have been nice to drop in a short clip of prices and options of their lower spec models. As for will I buy one, yes but NOT an $WORK$ and not until I see a need. I ride a Levo SL Comp carbon with a better spec than their SWORKS (less money and I choose the parts). My Levo SL, which is setup mullet, with Ohlins suspension performs well here in Squamish and at the Whistler Bike Park, which is a pretty good test for any bike. If Specialized sold frames only, at a reasonable cost, maybe my wife wouldn't notice the "upgrade" ;)

[@worldstallestmidget]

I have nothing against sl e bikes. In my humble opinion if I am dropping that much cash on a e bike I want the most power and biggest battery and most travel I can get! My kenevo I just bought at a smoking deal brand new was 6200! Reg 9000! I can turn my power down to match the power output of a sl! To each their own 😊

[@matt115lamb]

On my 2020 kenevo comp at bpw I can do 5/6 full runs if I don’t use turbo , who many could this kenevo sl do ? Great looking bike !

[@optimoespacio]

Strikes me that with a range extender it’s not much off the weight off a full fat ebike, but missing a huge amount of the power. If it were ~60Nm then I could see it’s purpose but for me it’s just lacking the punch I would want.

[@pacltatl]

why are they one year ahead?

[@nigelrandtoul8646]

Good design spoilt by ridiculous pricing, I'd rather fit a mastermind to my Levo for a couple of hundred quid (they are reverse compatible, well done specialized) Also I'm not sure what it actually thinks it is. I reckon you will see it at a Bike park, or downhill as a bike with inbuilt uplift.

[@adamwright2477]

Or just get both that’s what I’m doing. Currently got the enduro and about to get the Kenevo sl comp for them lazier days 😅

[@gregc8822]

2022 Turbo Levo... Why was there no comparison?

[@Raumance]

Definitely the bike I want if it was a third of the price 😂

[@me987651234]

Compare this: a £12,500 bike, or £5,000 bike (still very capable and high end) and roughly 150 days of uplifts?

[@Mcfc2Rich]

At £40 an uplift - £6,000. Love my KSL

[@msawyer110]

I'll stick with my Levo Comp. Double the battery, triple the power. Same price

[@leegibson8514]

Can't even get a 2021 ebike never mind 2022🤔🙄

[@vogti4917]

He should have started at the beginning with : super light, super capable AND SUPER DUPER expensive.

[@tomnutting3836]

People love to complain about the price You can’t afford something, that doesn’t mean that it’s wrong or shouldn’t exist. You can get a moto for the same price or less? Who cares if you don’t want or can’t ride a moto! Work harder, save longer, get finance, or ride something else ✌️

[@BenCJF]

love the bike - it's the one for me except.... price is ri-di-cu-lous, regardless how good an e-mtb it is. For 99% , spending that money on an mtb is insane apart for a tiny minority who choose to just do mtb with their life or those who drive a lambo as a daily runner.

[@jameshumphreys1936]

Consider buying one from a friend or? I picked up a 22’ Kanevo SL for $4500 usd. Smokin smash bike on trails.

[@ThunderousProduction]

Its the Double-E Duro!

[@porroco]

Who is agree that kenevo need to be a 80nm power bike, bullit makes more power with same amount of Travel and it is mullet too. Sl bikes should be another ebike class , not a kenevo.

[@barossasteve]

Yes not a Kenevo as we know, but a SL Enduro!

[@tristantopambudi3186]

Preferred older levo SL for half price Better looking , light too

[@stevejones7956]

Hi Tristano the Levo SL is a different bike

[@tristantopambudi3186]

@@stevejones7956 I know mate,

[@turbolevo8703]

My feeling is lower torque/power/weight doesn’t quite fit a downhill centred bike in the same way it can for a general purpose trail machine. The Levo SL makes more sense to me than this kenevo SL. I’m still a full fat fan though. 35nm is too low in my opinion. I think the sweet spot for these semi-skimmed variants is 60nm.

[@mixalis6168]

As per usual in the bicycle industry, Pricing is a joke ~

[@stevejones7956]

Hi there, please be aware that Levos start at £2500 for HT and £4800 for FS

[@dangerfulmind]

Never ever will emtbs signal the end of MTBs while they cost stupid amounts of money. How can you ever justify the cost of these bikes.

[@davenawahine4428]

I agree with most comments about the outrageous pricing on specialized bikes. And they are off my radar when it comes time to buy bikes or equipment. I mean... Do I have sucker written on my forehead or something?

[@Louis-Beton]

Aaaand super expensive. They have lost their minds….

[@xtrailz]

My friend David Cameron is texting Rishi right now to get me the money I need to buy this

[@stevejones7956]

Did you ride Dai Cam's?

[@davidbrent6044]

Missed out “super expensive”

[@danysnf1467]

🤔😵 Why delete first video 15 Min before?

[@GroundCRow]

They announced the bike even before Specialized did...

[@nitraM321]

i think specialized mean there is no lighter bike that is more capable, because obviously there are more capable OR lighter bikes, i like this bike, it fits it's purpose, fantastic at going downhill, who cares about going uphill, it's not made for that, but the levo is now lost in the space between the SL and the kenovo, not nearly as good downhill, and no longer the best trail bike, and the SL is just not powerful enough. i'm switching brands, i ordered a Orbea Rise

[@iosifik]

Putting the E in Expensive 😅

[@turdwarbler]

I think specialised should stop introducing 2022 bikes and get on delivering some of their 2021 bikes which we cant buy anywhere

[@tamasvarga67]

Price is perverse especially for a 35Nm bike...

[@Stokkelo]

You're starting to get real "Specialized Lovers". You guys seem no longer independent e-bike journalists.......Shame.

[@stevejones7956]

Hi Paul, yes absolutely I am a lover no doubt about that. Specialized are a partner brand. On this channel we give you regular tech insight, knowledge based features, adventure and of course ews - e racing. If there is anything you'd like to know I'm more than happy to give you details

[@leeteemtb9587]

I like my ebike simple like me, to many options & alterations with this steed.

[@stevenreyes3680]

I’ll race you for pink slips on my Banshee hardtail. You pick the uphill and I’ll pick the downhill....

[@stevenreyes3680]

Honestly, it’s apples to oranges. I don’t care what you pay, you will never get close to the performance of a Bafang BBSHD or the built in version, like say the Frey. But apples to oranges compared to what ?

[@alexkarasik5188]

why would you buy the enduro you ask? BECAUSE IT DOES NOT COST 15 FUCKING THOUSAND DOLLARS

[@msawyer110]

Blevo app has all the same metrics

[@sparky2475]

Just another example, if one were needed, of greedy mtb manufacturers trying their best to bleed us dry and price joe public out of the sport. Unless your livelihood depends on it I honestly don't see how any bike could be worth that kind of money! If you're looking at this and thinking 'if only' remember this, the true spirit of mountain biking has never been about the name on your tube but the balls hanging over the seat. Clunkers rule!

[@stevejones7956]

Price of emtb's, and getting more affordable is certainly an area that is at the forefront of many brands at minute

[@neilvan8283]

Santa Cruz all the way

[@Coolcmsc]

Yeh Boi💪

[@BryceLovesTech]

Who on earth can afford these bikes anymore

[@CarkeekW]

yet they are still selling out , im not sure either but clearly we dont know enough millionaires or hard core riders who have a terrible car and an awesome bike.

[@mrruaridhblack]

You buy an e bike for the power to blast you up the hill with ease! If I wanted a light bike I would buy a normal bike. I hope the e bike market changes to making the bikes more affordable and reliable not super light and expensive

[@dimaakh]

BEST BANG FOR UR BUCK!!

[@TCK71]

A bike for over weight, unfit rich old men! It’s getting like top gear, saying how great lambos and Ferraris are that 99.99% of people just can’t afford and can only dream about. If you’re that obsessed by bike weight and therefore smaller motors and batteries get fit and buy a regular mtb.

[@brhoades3870]

I'm definitely not an overweight rich person, Im very fit and have a good job, where I live I'll be able to do twice as many runs and still get a good workout.

[@TCK71]

@@brhoades3870 you don't need a £13000 bike to get a good workout!

[@brhoades3870]

@@TCK71 you don't need a $2k bike to get a good workout, you don't even need a bike. What's your point?

[@TCK71]

@@brhoades3870 My point is…. it’s way overpriced.

[@brhoades3870]

@@TCK71 that's your opinion.

[@maxsdr9098]

Prices for EMTBs are just insane...for 10k you can get a brand new Enduro MOTORbike (Yamaha YZ250F).

[@simonpo1]

Actual lol, 35nm? Specialized missing the point...

[@The.JZA.]

The way bike manufacturers measure geometry needs to change. Why measure bottom bracket height, head tube angle and seat tube angle when it's going to change the moment you put your weight on it? All geometry specs should be measured with 25% front and 30% rear sag taken into account.

[@badlarry172]

nice

[@pedalstrkrmtb7716]

Omg. I had to refinance my car just to afford an Enduro and Steve is like " no reason to buy an Enduro". Wow, elitist eh? It's only 11,000$ guess I will continue to love gassing out on the uphills

[@JayGee6996]

No need to fall for the sales pitch, no need for an s-works either they’re just biked designed to extract money from the rich

[@unfurling3129]

@@JayGee6996 They are overpriced but your statement is hyperbole. Dial it back to the reasonableness you are demanding of them.

[@JayGee6996]

@@unfurling3129 not hyperbole at all, over £10,000 for a push bike is not even close to a reflection of the cost of R&D + manufacturing costs. They are priced at what people are willing to pay at the top end, the sworks is awful value for money but people with deep pockets will pay the money so they can say they have the best bike. the same goes for the components on the sworks, the component manufacturers are also stealing from the rich. Not a problem in my eyes but it is what it is and it's not hyperbole. The same is now happening with superbikes, they used to be 10-12k tops, when they realised they could start to take the piss the price, mainly due to pcp loans, you're now seeing flagship bikes selling for 20-30k. The same happened with iphones. It's everywhere and it's not just inflation or the cost of manufacturing. As long as people are willing to pay the prices will keep going up

[@tannerjack9520]

14k What a joke!

[@alexbramm8526]

does the motor even make sense i feel like a 8kg hardtail accelerates quicker than this heavy bike

[@itarry4]

Yhea not sure about the constant shade you insist on throwing at the traditional MtBs all the time. I get why but it's sad to see someone who used to love riding non emtb for so long discourage others from doing it now.

[@robhaskins3068]

Yes it's not one or the other but both naturally aspirated and Emtbs that is the pleasure of cycling. But the magic of Emtbs is they turn us into gleeful kids again and broaden our ability to explore terrain multiplying the benefits of one of mans greatest gravity inventions the bicycle. I use my naturally aspirated Mtb as a training tool for Emtbs when away from my favorite full on Mtb tracks in Derby Tasmania. E=Mtb²

[@itarry4]

@@robhaskins3068 oh I fully support playing up the fun and brilliance of emtb just don't like the crap throwing, especially by someone who enjoyed the sport themselves so much for so long.

[@robhaskins3068]

@@itarry4 I can understand your frustration at Steve's comment but I suppose it depends on the image we have of have of ourselves at our stage of life .I think it's all about human evolution where some peoples ego's won't allow their brains to EVOLVE to match the technology available that allows them to enjoy life even more. I often ride up past people struggling in difficult terrain and say Why would you Not want to Explore new Grounds. Purist run the trails barefoot or swim the English channel unassisted. But that's only my thinking. They are not for racing just FUN FUN FUN.

[@itarry4]

@@robhaskins3068 totally get the appeal and as I've got heart issues they're actually the only way I can even ride so... Its the negative against the mtb I don't like just as I don't like or understand the opposite. Why not both for whoever wants it. Steve is actively trying to get people away from a sport he did himself and loved and for many young fit people can easily be a better idea, especially a better starting point. Everyone should stick to big uping the 1 they like and leave the putting down of the other out. It's not that Steve is pro ebike and I hate the opposite of people who only want mtb to exist. Just both sides need to stop being sides and accept that both have merit.

[@robhaskins3068]

@@itarry4 Yes I agree with you that we should respect everyone's çhoice of bike even single speed rigid Mtb.

[@MrMark00024]

That's a machine but who the hell will pay that for a bike. Must be mad.

[@deanmorgan7652]

I really don’t see the point. This is not a kenevo!! The vast majority of people who buy an e-mtb are not concerned about the weight. It’s 19.6 kg. That’s 3-5kg less than a normal kenevo ( depending on what size you ride). This is Less travel. Less power. Less battery. Buy a kenevo 21 save yourself near 6 grand. And just put it in eco. 🤷‍♂️. £8750 and £12500 😆🤦‍♂️ bonkers price tags

[@robociock]

I'd buy an Enduro because I don't have money for thjis

[@eliriecks3618]

It doesn't even look like a EMTB