Speed limits: Is faster safer? (CBC Marketplace)

[@chasemer6]

“Speed has never killed anyone. Suddenly becoming stationary, that's what gets you.” ― Jeremy Clarkson

[@haymantaylor7583]

+Chaseme Yes.

[@MASViper]

Agree

[@1m-a-n1nja]

I’ve always loved that quote 😂

[@campkira]

yeah... once you stuck for 2 hr in traffic... that when you need to chagne your life..

[@robertjames6890]

Speed kills your pocketbook. I don’t live in Canada, I live in the US. We use mph and not km/h here. I live in an absolute speed limit state, so speeding even just 1 mph over can get you stopped by an officer and fined $175.30. That said, it would probably be fairly easy for the driver to fight such a ticket in court, and most judges will throw it out. The rule of thumb most officers use is they only pull people over once they get to 5 mph over the limit or higher.

[@tedsheehan5457]

She also showed a bigger problem. Slower drivers tend to go to middle lane thinking it is safer when it is far more dangerous. Slower drivers should be in right lane. The advocate stated speed differential is the biggest problem which is what slow drivers in the middle lane or left lane create. Whatever the speed limit, slower drivers staying right makes everyone more safe. Slower drivers in the middle or left lane creates greater speed differential, regardless of the limit, and more dangerous conditions.

[@tedsheehan5457]

+TheGregory Colin You define going slow by whether or not you are going slower than other traffic. If cars are passing you, you are going slower than other traffic. Move to the right. It's the attitude of "I am going 100 KPH so I can drive in any lane" that is dangerous. You may not be breaking any laws but you are creating danger by creating greater speed differentials with faster traffic to the middle and left. All driver education promotes staying right except to pass. The middle lane is the most dangerous lane on the highway without the speed differentials and even more so with slower traffic in it. Take a motorcycle safety course. You will find that out day one. Higher limits work great in Europe with much higher speed limits but they don't tolerate slower drivers driving in lanes with faster traffic. If we were to educate and enforce staying right except to pass, our roads would be much safer even with much higher limits. I agree with the advocate.

[@MrNisse-ef9by]

+Ted Sheehan Right lanes on highways, usually end up in off-ramps. That means you'll be constantly shifting in and out of the right lane, as you go. If you're not planning on leaving the highway, stay out of that lane, as well.

[@tedsheehan5457]

+Mike Stavenes With respect, that makes no sense. On a 2 lane highway, do you drive in the left lane only to avoid interchanges? Of course not. What you are stating causes the problem of speed differential. Who should drive in the right lane? Only those exiting or entering the highway? The right lane on any road is for slower traffic, move left to pass if a slower vehicle is ahead of you or entering slower, then move back. It's a lot safer than sitting in that middle lane, causing unsafe conditions and having cars pass you on both sides. It's also what driver education and the Ontario Handbook state.

[@MrNisse-ef9by]

Ted Sheehan There can only be a middle lane on a three lane highway. Two lanes are different...if you aren't following the flow of traffic, then you stay right. However on a three lane highway, if people are merging ahead of you, it's best to leave the right lane to them, seeing as how not everyone gets up to speed in time to merge. If you're doing 90 and someone doing only 60 enters in front of you, you either have to hit the brakes, or switch lanes anyway to avoid rear-ending them. The same logic applies to the left lane, where people are driving even faster...you wouldn't get in the left lane unless you're going at least as fast as the cars you're merging with, or everyone in that lane has to hit the brakes to avoid rear-ending you. If all you want to do is cruise at your own pace, you position yourself in middle, with slower traffic on the right, and faster traffic on the left. If you find that people are passing you on _both_ sides...get off the highway, you shouldn't be there if you can't keep pace. ;-) In any given traffic system, the more you alter the flow of traffic, the more likely you are to cause an accident, simply because not everyone is paying the same level of attention. If you're always jumping back and forth, you will eventually jump into the path of someone who isn't watching very closely, causing them to react at the last second. Till now, I always assumed Ontario drivers were just assholes...I didn't realize they actually _teach_ you to drive erratically. Now it makes sense. ;-)

[@tedsheehan5457]

+Mike Stavenes If you are cruising at your own pace doing 90 in the center lane because you don't want to deal with interchanges, you are the problem. Why is it OK to state that you must drive at the speed of traffic if you want to be in the left lane but OK to set your own pace in the middle? It's not. I agree that if you are in an area where you have interchanges every km or so, like Toronto, maybe the middle lane is OK so long as you keep up to the speed of traffic in that lane. But where you don't have interchanges for 5-10 km, stay right. The "middle lane sitter" is the most dangerous driver on our highways. They cause the danger by going too slow in a lane meant to pass traffic in the right lane. Trucks cannot use the left lane of a 3 lane system and if cars sit in the middle doing 100 KPH or lower, with most trucks going 105 KPH (speed most companies set as max per OPP) trucks cannot pass traffic in right lane. The problem with your theory is most drivers getting passed on both sides think those passing them are the problem and they don't get off the road as you suggest. If you can't handle lane changes, you should not be on the road. A lane change every 10-20 km to pass traffic entering the highway is much safer than middle lane sitting below the flow of traffic. And it's not a problem limited to Ontario. I've driven all over North America and it's common everywhere. It's the people who don't follow rules of the road and have their own theories that cause the danger.

[@michaelsieber98]

I couldn't imagine driving less than 120kph. So glad I live in Germany where I cruise at a casual 180-200kph and our streets are still one of the safest in the world

[@jasonzhang4854]

gamerforever lucky

[@fakiie-5881]

The thing is that we have pretty bad roads here in Canada so it would be actually dangerous doing 180 lol

[@Lucky8s]

@@fakiie-5881 That's not really the problem. Germany has extremely educated and attentive drivers. Until Canada gets an actually decent driver's licensing program, increasing the speed limit isn't the right thing to do.

[@campkira]

autobahn.. if the road is well maintain.. you should had no problem..

[@byronchavarria4954]

km/h

[@hagbard72]

The Autobahn has fewer nasty collisions than does the 401. The BC doctor doesn't know what he's talking about.

[@michaelbatori8203]

+Robert Drake Yeah, he's still trying to make us swallow this non-sense. I can tell this guy never went past county line. Maybe he should point to those so called "studies" and data. Because across the USA they are raising limits and the opposite of what he is saying is happening.

[@Sinr0ne]

I went to Germany last week and felt alot safer doing 190km/h than 120km/h in Finland. The way German people drive is amazing.

[@bmw803]

Agreed. Most accidents on Autobahn are caused by foreigners.

[@EC4U2C_Studioz]

Also, consider Montana's no daytime speed limit time period. Their fatality rate was at a modern low due to increased seat belt use and drivers not using the left lane unless passing. By the time Montana returned to a 75 mph speed limit, their fatality rate began to go way up again. I agree with the fact that the BC doctor does not know what he's talking about thanks to Montana's fatality rates after a speed limit is set.

[@annelisezeender7455]

Robert Drake i

[@andrewward7042]

The basic problem is that people don't know how to drive. There is something called lane discipline, which most people seem blissfully unaware of. Drive like you do here in Europe and see how long you last.

[@campkira]

you just need more training alot of country now force beginner long class and you can not just get it as easy and it used to be,..

[@Xpired_PCP]

Even this NPC driver reporter had a problem with lane discipline. They're going 100 km/h but they're in the middle passing lane and at times they're even being passed on the right! ALWAYS. KEEP. RIGHT. *EXCEPT. TO PASS*. 2 lanes or 6 lane freeways, KEEP RIGHT, IN THE MOST RIGHT LANE, EXCEPT TO PASS.

[@SilverBlaze189sb189]

In Idaho the speed limit used to be 120kph (75mph) and when it was raised to 130kph (80mph) the accidents and fatalities went down! It's called the 85th percentile rule. Meaning that 85% of drivers go a speed that is reasonable and prudent to them. And when the speed limit is raised to the speed that 85% of drivers travel at, accidents and fatalities go down!

[@byronchavarria4954]

Also In Some Parts Of Australia 🇦🇺

[@RobinBudik]

120km/h feels weird :D goosh i am glad to be european. 140km/h is legal. 150-160 is usual and in Germany even 300km/h is legal :D

[@rockynanach]

i guess you don't have Moose and Elk on your roads.

[@RobinBudik]

+calgary nanach ok :) valid point. But in scandinavia theydo ;)

[@livefreeordiehard8898]

I guess German cars are better on highway. 🤔

[@badboy99987]

+Sarah Stevenson Germany is not that big on speed limits idk about all but some don't even have a speed limit you can just go how ever fast you feel like

[@user-vu2pp8fx4i]

Robin Budík i live in Germany and my Dad is driving around 200 km/h and that is normal. We have a Friend who dirves an BMW M6 and he is fast because in the Night he is driving like 330 km/h.

[@billwilliamson1504]

I was taught it’s more dangerous to go 80 in a 100 zone than it is to go 120

[@LNasterio]

whoever taught you this got a brain, not many people have it now days...

[@salmansengul]

As someone who was in Germany, I thinks it's hilarious seeing people discuss whether 120 kmh too fast or not! Feels unreal!

[@cheerbozz]

It’s hilarious you are comparing tiny europe where people barely own or drive a vehicle to a North America where every soul drives, has massive Highways and there is non stop traffic

[@brothaman1312]

@@cheerbozz Plenty of people in Germany own vehicles... What are you talking about?

[@edipires15]

Ghetto Law School you’ve never been to Europe haven’t you?

[@fallenslayer7433]

Any comfortable speed is safe as long as everyone is paying attention. Wish they would have some higher limits and enforce slower traffic keeps right so that people don't have to pass in the right lane which is more dangerous than speeding. Distracted driving, driving while intoxicated and people not moving over for faster traffic are the real issues.

[@fallenslayer7433]

Michael Batori yeah wish they would go after the people that stay in the left lane going under the speed limit more often. Causes people to pass on the right making it more dangerous than just passing left at a higher speed.

[@michaelbatori8203]

+FallenSlayer Why aren't they doing in it?? Because, penalties aren't stiff enough and don't bring in enough money. Remember, it's all about money not safety. If it was about safety, they would go after distracted driving and left lane hogs. It's an easy fix. Check what they do in European countries and mostly in Germany. German Autobahns barely have cops on them. It's all monitored by cameras. And you receive the citation in the mail. So, how would people understand? Hit them in the pocket book.

[@fallenslayer7433]

+Michael Batori yep wish they would enforce it. I've never heard of anyone being pulled over for sitting in the left lane.

[@mykeprior3436]

Nah sorry bro. When it's wet out I prefer the guy that's really slow just stay on the left, no swerving lanes, this is also when it's not busy.

[@acenorth7225]

@@mykeprior3436 why tho? if they just kept to the right other people could go faster (because they're more comfortable ) instead of passing in the center which would be more dangerous if the road are wet

[@wwt17]

Try cruise control.....

[@TripletStudio]

Travis Williamson that’s what I thought too, like it’s summer and a dry day too

[@ballinblaza]

dude its a brand new car

[@specialopsdave]

@@ballinblaza it has over 100,000 km on it dude, look at the odometer 1:15

[@mackcummy4976]

Speed limits generate money for everyone, from governments to insurance companies.

[@SpiritOfTheLaw]

I'm a little surprised the top comment here isn't the followup, as this was filmed in 2015 and we know how it played out. From a Vancouver Sun article in 2018: "The B.C. government is rolling back many of the 2014 increases to highway speed limits, saying it led to more crashes." More specifically: "There were 63 collisions involving fatalities on the affected highways in the three years before the 2014 speed-limit changes. And in the three years after they went into effect, there were 88 fatal collisions." It was fun while it lasted.

[@warrenviegas2300]

Really? Can you post a link to the article?

[@Xpired_PCP]

​​@@warrenviegas2300I can't post links on KZbin anymore but you can find it on CBC by typing "BC lowers highway speed limits CBC". They basically reduced the speed of 5 major highways (freeway and country side single lane roads) by 10 km/h.

[@FinchIsFubar]

Here in Va (USA) with high way speed limits. They started (in my area) that if you wish to drive the speed limit. You have to be in the slow (right lane) so if others are driving faster can pass you in the left. If you stay in the left lane and driving the limit or slower. You can get pulled over due to blocking the flow of traffic and causing the fast drivers to cut over into other lanes. So staying in the slow and driving the limit will keep you safe (so they say) and can not be pulled over. I can drive 65MPH in a 60 zone with people flying by me. I can speed up to 70-80 with people will pulling away from me. No matter what the posted limit is. People will always want to get somewhere faster for whatever reason.

[@PyroAnonymous]

HDFinch Virginia drivers generally suck.. it's left lane hog paradise, nothing flows and overly strict speed limits

[@cooldude7062]

it’s so rare to see slow drivers stay right though to be honest

[@byronchavarria4954]

USA 🇺🇸 km/h

[@UpYoursDj]

you're supposed to go the flow of traffic thats safe no matter the speed limit

[@shawnpitman876]

oh? so going 180 KM/H on ice is safer than driving like a sane person? you're just another brainless fuckwit I see.

[@blake031299]

@@shawnpitman876 definitely missed the point on that one

[@ItsKevinBroPSN]

@@shawnpitman876 his comment really flew in and out of your ears eh?

[@Xpired_PCP]

Yes and no. Yes I agree with you on premise, but the other half I don't agree because why the heck should there ever be faster than the posted limit traffic on the right lane of a road/highway??

[@EyesOfTheInternet]

120 kmh / 75MPH seems fast to her? I drive I-40 every day. 75-80 mph is normal.

[@PyroAnonymous]

For me, on the I-95 I drive 80-85 mph where the Speed Limit is 55. It's Absolute Horseshit.

[@PyroAnonymous]

TheZombaslaya​ Thing is in my state, the enforcement today is low.

[@doom-007]

55? so you drive a semi and somehow you are not fired.

[@QiuyuanChenRyan916]

Right, but you guys has much smoother road. I drove across the US a couple times. There is a distinctive difference in the smoothness of the interstate compare to our highway.

[@harshbarj]

@@PyroAnonymous Then you are a danger to others being that much above the limit.

[@radirandom]

The autobahn has no speed limit in some parts, the reason why accidents are lower is simply because of the system that is strictly followed, like getting a license in Germany is tougher, then the left lane rule is followed much more efficiently and better unlike Canada, USA, or the UK. In Germany the left lane is for the speeders above like 110 mph or 170 km/h and the right lane is for slow pokes driving less than 80 mph or 130 km/h. Some countries like Uganda or Trinidad which are less developed have the national speed limit at 50 mph or 80 km/h. In America, it is 65 mph or 104 km/h however in Texas it goes to 85 mph or 137km/h.

[@vanmeures3689]

I always thought that speed limits in canada and especially in BC are below what they should be...when driving with a modern car, it seems ridiculous to go 50 in a 50 zone. the only time I actually felt that the speed limit was reasonable is when I drove a Chevy sprint from 1977. Speed doesnt cause accidents. it is drivers behaviours that does.

[@Xpired_PCP]

Speed reduces reaction times and increases braking distance. It certainly doesn't help avoid collisions. The problem is every city residential and collector Street was built as giant highways which psychologically convinces people to drive faster than is safe for the area they are driving in. It wouldn't feel like torture driving 50 km in a 50 if it wasn't built as a four-lane giant Highway. Narrowed and reduced to one lane in each Direction with trees planted on the side, it won't feel like you're going too slow, despite the fact you're going the right speed the entire time

[@RobertSmith-rp3xk]

The faster you go the longer it takes to slow down and stop. But on the flip side of that, if you're able to travel faster it takes less time to reach your destination and so you should have less people falling asleep at the wheel. I like the main speed rule in the U.S. is to drive safe for road conditions and traffic.

[@jnvqc]

That's what safe distance is for. In order from most important to least for road safety: 1- keep a safe distance, 2- keep right, overtake left exclusively, 3- travel at the similar speed of traffic flow. In europe we follow this rules very closely. Canada is the exception, all other "developed" countries have higher speed limits on highways. Also Canada has some of the highest highway fatality rates. Remember this, at 60mph/100kmh, a car covers the distance of a football field every 3 seconds. A very attentive driver takes half a second to hit the brake pedal or 15m/50feet, that's like 3 car lengths. Roundabouts are infinitely safer, faster, and better for the environment, they are everywhere here in europe. We have very few if any high speed signal intersections.

[@Fernando-ek8jp]

When I was learning how to drive, my instructor actually blocked my speedometer because I was sticking to the speed limit while everyone around me was going faster. It baffled me back then, but I as got more experienced as driver I understood it better.

[@CoolJZero1]

80 in a 60 anyone

[@Chaosian]

+CoolJZero1 Or if you're in any school zone, 60 in a 30.

[@MarcLloydZ]

+Chaosian01 school zones are 25

[@Chaosian]

Not where I come from m8. www.th.gov.bc.ca/key_initiatives/legislation/mvb-amend.htm

[@MarcLloydZ]

Chaosian01 ok m9

[@Darksyne]

+CoolJZero1 Lol 90 on sundays

[@RodimusPrime1313]

I think when they do speed enforcement it encourages people to go below the speed limit and impede traffic. If you are do around 100 on the 401 you should be in the slow lane.

[@walterj89]

What about commercial vehicles? While 10km/h doesn't make much difference for a car, a 65,000KG truck is a different story.

[@redycoATyahoo]

+Walter Johnstone-Breen they are already limited in EU at about 88km/h

[@powerfight5]

+Walter Johnstone-Breen All trucks are electronically limited to a speed of 105 km/h so this wouldn't be an issue for commercial vehicles at all. You'll see that 99% of all trucks drive at 105 so the speed increase will actually be a good thing in this case because it'll mean trucks won't have to make as many passes when other drivers are going the current limit of 100.

[@walterj89]

+powerfight5 In BC trucks are not electronically limited. Some trucks may be limited, but none that I have driven. I'm not concerned about commercial trucks, I just noted that it wasn't addressed at all in the video.

[@johnd8305]

+powerfight5 Governed to 105km/h is a monkeys butt. Along major corridors, 80% of the trucks I see drive at 114km/h, 10% ~120km/h, and about 10% hauling heavy under the 114 mark. Legally 105 maybe, and company policies because they certainly won't pay the fines, but that is simply not reality. Flat areas probably would see a lot rolling at 105, since the most common way to circumvent the system, is ride down a hill to excess, then a click of the switch. Flats some can slip the clutch depeding, others have bypassed or defeated the system; multitude of ways. 100km/h limit is a proven number backed by scientific data, and a government in any form cannot change it without going through the same process. Money. It is what it is all about.

[@powerfight5]

+John D Yeah, some trucks pass by me so quick while I'm going 105 so I figure they had a bypass of some sort. But, what I've noticed is that after the pass, they return to the regular 105. Of course, this behaviour depends completely on the driver. I can understand it though because I've often been in situations where trucks are unable to pass each other and end up being pretty close on an adjacent lane. This is a pretty hazardous situation imo.

[@Florens405]

Here in The Netherlands, the speed limits on the highway can vary from 100-130km/h but it's completely normal and safe to drive these high speeds. They should definitely get rid of the slow speed limits on the highway in North America as well.

[@trowwzers5057]

Unlike Canada, the limits in The Netherlands are strictly enforced with high fines. 100kmph during the day with only 3-5kmph over is acceptable. In Canada, you can get away with driving 130kmph. Or 20-30kmph over the speed limit. In Michigan, you generally can get away with going 10mph or 20kmph over the speed limit. Our top limit is 75mph(120kmph). The flow of traffic typically goes 85-90mph(140-150kmph) because the enforcement isn't very high. The police are more focused on left-lane hogs or drunk drivers. I've once cruised at 210kmph to my cottage Up-North and got there in two hours. It saved me an hour of driving

[@TheAmericanCatholic]

@@trowwzers5057 Michigan is insane with speeding

[@Xpired_PCP]

I will also add, the Netherlands does a very good job in designing their infrastructure appropriately. Here in North America will have a giant Highway sized multi-lane roads cutting through residential areas with a posted limit of 50. Netherlands create the appropriate infrastructure to ensure the speeds match the infrastructure they design. Bump-outs, speed bumps, roundabouts, trees planted close to the sides of the road. Other than roundabouts, North America isn't doing anything else to calm traffic and yet they wonder why people will drive 80 or 90 km an hour in a posted 50 Zone that's designed like a Highway...

[@ryanstanley5634]

That doctor is wrong. The US's Federal Highway Administration says that speed isn't the danger for limited access roadways (interstates) in 1 direction, it's the variation in people's speed.

[@deyesed]

Faster for highway, lower for residential. Also helps drivers consciously differentiate between the two modes.

[@BorisTerekidi]

Current limits for vehicles were set when cars didn't have all of the safety features they do now (ABS, AWD, Traction Control, Airbags, Lanekeep Assist, Dynamic CruiseControl, etc). So if the cars are a lot safer now - the limits should be up by at least 20%.

[@francopellegrin4437]

Not everybody drives a brand new car. In some of the larger cities yes, but where I am probably 30% at least of cars on the road are from the 90's.

[@josephsummers2427]

They did studies in the GTA (Greater Toronto Area). In the GTA, about 20% of passenger vehicles on the road are 2012 model or newer.

[@BorisTerekidi]

Franco Pellegrin I live in GTA and i'd say 80% of vehicles on the road are no older than 15 years.

[@josephsummers2427]

***** I would say that is a fair estimate. That at least 80% (I'd say more) of passenger vehicles in the GTA were built this millenium.

[@jccgold]

Frango Pellegrin so limit the older cars with lower speed limits

[@goldwinger5434]

The government keeps telling us that speed is bad. However, it has been demonstrated time and again that just going fast does not increase your likelihood of being in an accident. Reckless driving causes accidents as does distracted driving. Speed does increase the severity of accidents but not the likelihood. Sadly our insurance companies go with the idea that going fast is dangerous and will use a traffic ticket to jack up your insurance rates and the government uses speed limits to raise money.

[@vertiian]

During my driving test, one of those "Stop100" cars blew past me going at least 160 on a 90 km/h highway, weaving in and out of traffic very dangerously.

[@byronchavarria4954]

During The COVID-19 Pandemic Many NY Drivers And Everywhere In The United States 🇺🇸 People Drive Up To 160 To 170 Kilometers Per Hour On Meadowbrook Sunrise Highway To Montauk State Parkway And Many Other Highways

[@Xpired_PCP]

​​@@byronchavarria4954I'm pretty sure that's the biggest reason why Road fatalities went up exponentially in the US despite billions of fewer miles being driven. That too also where we are in canada, a lot of provinces have legal roadside penalties even before your court date where will cost you a lot of money. Just going 150 km/h in a 100/110 km/h zone in Ontario will get you; Roadside Penalties: -30 day licence suspension -14 day vehicle impound -$500 ticket for "Stunt Driving" -$500 ticket going 50+ km/h over limit Conviction Penalties: -1 to 3 year license suspension on first offense. -$2,000 - $10,000 fine. - Mandatory "Drivers Improvement Course" that you must take 90 days after conviction, otherwise your license is cancelled and you'll have to start over (after your suspension), as a beginner license (G1). -Jail time possible, up to 6 months. -Insurance policy cost will go up 100% (or be outright cancelled by your provider). -Pay a $281 licence reinstatement fee after suspension. -VERY RARE, but cars can be seized permanently by the government, and be destroyed with zero compensation. Last time this happened was in 2006 in York Region where they crushed seized cars from dangerous driving offences, as a public PSA. It's on KZbin! You also open yourself to criminal charges (Like Dangerous Operation), which can mess you up in Canada. IDK if NY compares to ON, but alot of provinces do what I described above, especially since COVID made dangerous driving behaviours too common.

[@moekitsune]

120 needs to be the limit.

[@bmw803]

+TheJewelOfJool 120 in city limits and 130 outside cities. That is the norm in the western US. But in this province they think that going at 85 mph and following the rules is dangeours vs going at 60 mph and being in the wrong lane is safe. Go figure.

[@HKFireworks]

In mainland China there's a minimum limit for each of the offside lanes. Eg in the Fast Lane, there is a Maximum of 120 and a Minimum of 90/100, Slow Lane has a Max of 100 and Min of 70. I think that is what some western nations should do and learn from...

[@atx-cvpi_99]

In Texas, the highest speed limit is 85 miles per hour which is the highest speed limit in the United States.

[@joeygoll6233]

no 300km should be the limit

[@super87cole]

"one day if speed kills me don't cry, cause I was smiling"

[@petebusch9069]

Why do we care about the limit anymore? Law enforcement has lost all respect, do what you want.

[@Armor23OnPatrol]

Update: speed limits in Scarborough lowered mostly from 60-50.

[@TacticalGamingNetwork]

Scarborough is a joke. They police the hell out of that area - cops sitting at the bottom of every single hill. I had 5 tickets at once for driving 5-10 over. Not even kidding. The 5km over ticket was $12.86. Meanwhile since I've moved to Etobicoke, I drive exactly the same as I always have. About 10-20 even a bit higher than the posted without issues. I've never had a single ticket here in 8 years now. They police the poor areas way harder. Its ridiculous.

[@mizzorian]

It is not up to drivers to determine speed limits, it is up to the highway engineers. This should not be an opinion. Civil/highway engineers determine the speeds based on many factors. I do agree with the speed variance, but the solution is not to increase the speed; it is to impose a minimum speed limit or raise awareness to let slow drivers stick to the right lane.

[@SPAZTICCYTOPLASM]

They'll never change the limit. Fines make the government a LOT of money. Consider 50% of all traffic violations are speeding, yet less than 19% of all crashes are speed related directly or indirectly.

[@LNasterio]

whereas in Australia... most highways have speed limit around 60km/h to 80km/h... and they lowered most road in city to speed limit of 30 to 40km/h... WHAT A JOKE!!!

[@1556kelvin]

Yeah, if you make it higher than 100km/h, like 120km/h. People will also ignore that and possibly go 120km/h. You can never have a certain speed limit. People will just go faster than what it is anyways.

[@jccgold]

Not true. Cars give you a "comfort speed" wich is in many cases 110kmh 120 kmh or 130km h. Not the same for every car

[@2awesome292]

Speedometers are allowed to be up to 10% off (difference between new and worn out tires is ~2%) for legal reasons manufacturers make sure that you aren't driving faster than what's on your speedometer.

[@mindlessgreen]

If everyone goes at high speed, number of crashes may be lower. But the few crashes that does occur at 120/130 may be fatal. It's a compromise.

[@Georgeqaws]

I agree that the 401 speed limits should be 110 or 120 on most of the highway and similar highways, but this does not work when there is a lot of traffic and merging. AKA: the GTA. East of Oshawa yah it should be 110 in my opinion. But you know your fuel efficiency does severely degrade over 100 too.

[@Borntobekilled1]

yeah right...... 0.7L/100km if I drive 130 instead of 100.....

[@Xpired_PCP]

​@@Borntobekilled1it's literally on the national research council's website. Their conclusions from the study are basically this: - The majority of vehicles are most efficient between 60-80km/h depending on their drag coefficient and factors such as wind resistance or how cold the air is (colder air is heavier and harder to "break through"). That's why your car gets 10% worse fuel economy in the winter regardless of how conservative/aggressive you drive. -80-100 km/h is less fuel efficient than 60-80 km/h, but only impacts fuel economy by less than 5%. -At 100 km/h, ever single km/h over at that speed is equal to 1% worse fuel economy, and starts to fall off a cliff because the drag coefficient becomes too much regardless of how many gears/speeds your transmission has, or if it's an electric motor or CVT to keep RPMs low. So if you're going 130 km/h, you're getting 30% less fuel economy/distance than if you were going 100 km/h. We've known this since the 60s. That's why the federal highway standard in the US during the oil embargo was 55 MPH (90 km/h). It was a balance between saving fuel and speed. Same with Ontario. 400 series were 70 MPH (110 km/h) until the oil embargo, where it was decreased to 100 km/h (60 MPH), again, as a balance between speed and fuel consumption

[@cliffhopkins7101]

As soon as you raise the speed limit people go even faster

[@Xachremos]

Yup. People tend to do 10/15 over the limit. Raise it to 120 and everyone will do 130/135

[@jnvqc]

No... Did you even watch the video?

[@ladwigs]

Around here, I would say it depends,on where , because there is a section of road, where within 2 blocks, it goes from 70 --> 100, and it has a popular turn off, where if you're coming from it, you need to amp up your speed to 100, for 2 blocks

[@shubham-pawar]

Faster speed limit causes more accidents. German Autobahn :- Am I a joke to you?

[@dsmdallas2466]

The problem comes with the term SPEED LIMIT. Most drivers interpret that as mandatory speed minimum. So when they see a driver traveling at or below the limit they get angry. The simple act of driving at or below speed is felt as a passing judgment onto the speeders. This makes them want to push us to go faster by tailgating instead of simply going around.

[@masonlynch1793]

I feel like if you keep up with traffic. That is the right speed.

[@byronchavarria4954]

In Japan Speed Limit Raised To 120 km/h (75 MPH) And Australia 130 km/h (80 MPH) USA 90 To 140 km/h (55 To 85 MPH)

[@dominicoconner1973]

You are supposed to keep up with the flow of traffic you will not get a ticket if you are doing the same speed as everyone around you.

[@nebojsavorkapic2116]

I don't realize what kind of progress you expect when everybody already driving 110 120 on Highway

[@aduckquackquack5783]

This video misses the point. Canada has the potential to change and learn from other cultures. Many countries have better driver training (ergo; better drivers). The basic rules to follow are: 1) keep to the right 2) absolutely no passing on the right You can drive at any speed you want as long as you are in the appropriate lane. This system only works because of the system and the people on it. Driver training in Canada does not teach drivers these rules properly, which is why Canadians find it socially acceptable to left lane block or drive incognito in the middle lane. If you have a speed limit, or 6 lanes in each direction with uneducated and distracted drivers (texting), driving becomes impossible and unenjoyable for everyone else. Also, making the highways wider to 8-12 (or more) lanes in each direction and having carpool lanes are not scientifically sound solutions to either traffic jams or traffic flow. Driving is a responsibility, not a right. You affect every other driver around you. In nature the flow of traffic is the fastest in the middle (ergo; a speed gradient) Why can Ants and Water Rapids do this and not Canadians? Its time to learn from science and set emotions like fear aside. Raising the speed limit is only the first step of many in the right direction. Its time to show the world that Canadians can drive safely with etiquette on the world stage. Lets prevent self driving cars be the future for emotional Canadians. Education and Cooperation are the key.

[@NeilanPhotoGraphics]

here in australia we have some unrestricted roads they were limited to 120 and crashes increased the limit was withdrawn and now not as many crashes. like speed zones we now have point to point cameras in 100kmh zones and all we see is cars doing 110-120 then suddenly braking down to 80 when passing through the zones as they identify more than just your speed..... this has increased accidents

[@johna1816]

Wish there was a USA equivalent for CBC Marketplace. At least you're our next door neighbor, so we got some similar laws

[@jesusreignsforever2561]

No limits. Let people drive the speed they want.

[@r.v.b.4153]

Driving 260 km/h in Germany

[@highrzr]

So, let's just blame those that obey the law, and not the ones breaking the law.

[@Daijxo]

laws are made to be amended when they no longer serve the majority. Majority of people are driving at 120kph and when driving it is safer to go with the flow of trafiic, if not stay in the slow lane.

[@highrzr]

@@Daijxo Yep. That's why I'm mostly in the furthest right lane so others can easily go around.

[@Chaosian]

It's absolutely idiotic to say "faster is safer". Objectively, no. When you go faster, there is more force in a collision, it's very basic physics. However higher speed limits that are properly conformed to reduce ambiguity for drivers as to what speed they should be going at. This does have merits for being called safer - because it reduces confusion and makes things more predictable. I think the real statistics to look at is how many people go 120 in a 110 zone, versus 130 in a 120 zone. If it's comparable, then there's no argument - if people conform a lot more to 120 in a 120 zone, then there's definitely something to consider.

[@michaelbatori8203]

+Chaosian01 In terms of physics you're right, but the real problem is distracted driving. German drivers manage to drive at 200 mph without killing themselves by the masses. Why? DISCIPLINE. If you pay attention and follow safe driving practices, those collisions WILL NOT EVEN OCCUR. So that impact you're referring to will not hurt anyone. Avoidance through discipline is the safest driving method.

[@Chaosian]

Michael Batori You'll find little disagreement from me there. I do suspect we're reaching an asymptotic level of safety when it comes to discipline however. How can we change distracted driving, or evening drinking and driving culture? There's already some pretty notable penalties.

[@Chaosian]

Michael Batori A more inventive solution, but I'm not sure I'm down on mass surveillance being the solution for anything...

[@eSKape1994]

+Chaosian01 Objectively, you cannot make a statement about whether faster is safer or not. For an individual person, it may seem that slower is allways safer. But when we are looking at traffic, there are much more things to consider than just the physical components. Raising speedlimit to a realistic level on a road where it is safe to drive faster, can have the side-effect that people drive less fast on the other roads. This may result in less accidents and deaths on these roads, thus resulting in the saying 'faster is safer'.

[@LilMafs]

And acceleration???

[@dixonpinfold2582]

When I was a little boy in the 70s I was astonished to find, on a car trip with my parents, on a 400-series highway for the first time, a speed limit of 75mph, or 120km/h.

[@coder6083]

The insurance industry will fight any proposal to increase speed limits. As they said when the speed limit was raised to 120, the speeders still averaged 127. A ticket for 7 over instead of 27 over will not work for the insurance companies.

[@Xpired_PCP]

Insurance providers only care about high risk charges or convictions. If you plead guilty to going 7 km over the limit, they will still jack up your rates just on the fact alone that you were convicted of a moving offense.

[@EC4U2C_Studioz]

They also need to enforce the left lane law more strictly rather than the speed limit. Instead of writing speeding tickets while the speeding driver is in the act of passing other vehicles legally using the dotted yellow line on the driver's side in a 2-lane road, they should instead focus on the delay of 5 or more vehicles. 2-lane roads have worse safety ratings than freeways due to slow vehicles on them causing frustration to drivers behind them often putting the faster driver in an unsafe situation when passing. They also should focus on drivers driving too slowly in no passing zones and by the time they are in a passing zone and/or have a passing lane in their direction without using the oncoming lane for a short time, they tend to speed up to prevent anyone from passing.

[@Packerm87]

I live in the US. The fast lane or passing lane needs to be better enforced. In Germany parts of the Autobahn have no speed limit because those drivers are forced to move to the right to keep the left lane clear. No all states enforce the passing lane, so drivers get aggressive and accelerate and drive around other drivers causing dangerous conditions. In Germany they treat you higher speeding and what to do. Here they just teach you how to parallel park and use a blinker (which no one using here anymore). Accidents are caused by careless driving. Speed limits are just an excuse to bring in revenue.

[@DingisMaximus]

Meanwhile in Toronto we drive at 50km/hr on six lane roads.

[@byronchavarria4954]

Sydney Melbourne Perth Adelaide Canberra Los Angeles Washington DC Seattle And New York City 40 km/hr Tokyo Kyoto Brisbane And Miami 30 km/hr

[@pinoyeh]

IMOHO, 120 kph speed limit is more than enough as there will be a lot of other drivers who will pass you if you are doing 100 kph. Accidents usually happens on different occasions; 1. When one driver looses focus or distracted on how they drive 2. Mechanical issues of the vehicle they drive, ex. tires, brakes, suspension defects and etc. 3. Environmental conditions such as rain, snow and etc. 4. Presence of wildlife 5. Presence of aggressive drivers

[@morlandoemtp]

As a professional driver, most important thing is to not drive by other cars and leave plenty of space in front of you than the speed limit, and allow people to pass in the left lane. Speed shouldn't matter unless you have a tire blowout, medical, or environmental emergency. Soon their will be self driving technology taking over driving for us in the next 10-20 years so a lot of this discussion will hopefully end.

[@de_stroyed]

They probs could’ve found more speeders with their speed cameras, but the drivers probably thought they were there for speed tickets and slowed down when they passed by the speed cameras.

[@cameronschindler25]

I live in Texas. It’s 85 mph (137kmh)

[@HaiderAli-ot2gg]

That’s only on that one highway and Texas has loads of speed traps

[@RM-jj4ut]

its called cruise control

[@Edvard.Munchkin]

It's 120 here in Ireland and that's even slow. I reckon there should be no limit on motorways or highways as you call it. If there should be a limit make the left lane (which would be the normal lane in Ireland) limited to 120 and the next lane (overtaking lane) unlimited.

[@ast5515]

How to fix the situation: 1. Driving is a privilege, not a right. Don't give everyone and their mother a license if they are incapable of driving. 2. Keep right. First you give a warning, second you give a fine, third time no license for you. 3. Increase speed limit to 140. 4. Set minimum speed at 110. Like the dude said, speed difference kills. 5 Anything not allowed or incapable of driving 110 isn't allowed anywhere but the right lane. No passing for them.

[@owenmclain3327]

I think more along the line of being able to stop safely in an emergency and 100 klm an hour is fast enough for me. Keeping in mind most domestic vehicles are not designed for high speeds and especially roll over prone SUV's .

[@francopellegrin4437]

Yeah, I have a highway with 120kph as the posted speed limit, but I go at 130 quite a bit because there is very low traffic around my city (highway has 2 lanes on each side, no "carpool lane" and I'm from a town with 30,000 people)

[@pikachu8508]

It's fine to raise the maximum limit to 120, but It would be safer to introduce minimum limit of 80, as in such high maximum limit, slow moving vehicles poses a safety hazard.

[@Xpired_PCP]

We have that in Quebec and it's great. Minimum 60 km/h, maximum 100 km/h. The minimum limit makes that fact impressive in on itself

[@Drachnon]

I don't quite understand the argument. The guy claims the problem is people driving different speeds but that would require that the speed limit based on the lowest max speed for all vehicles. For modern cars 120km/h might be good but there plenty of vehicles, especially carrying heavy loads, that won't be able to safely maintain those speeds.

[@MEOWMEOW-wz2ql]

60 miles an hour = 75mph average. 75 miles an hour = 90 mph average. This is why the speed can't be increased.

[@p.m.williams1750]

Enjoyed.

[@TrevarLadd]

What’s hilarious is that they are talking about 75-80mph being super fast. Tbh many highways in the US 70 or 80 is the current limit but everyone goes about 85-95 in a 70 zone - but their points are all correct

[@AnguishBarbarian]

I think there should be some kind of tag for less experienced drivers and a different kind of tag for advanced drivers. Raising the limit will just have the exact same problems but at a higher pace

[@99rylee]

Calgary is the same way. Ppl go up to 120-130 kmh on the Deerfoot in a 100 zone

[@HaiderAli-ot2gg]

Deerfoot has photo radar but no one cares

[@911gpd]

Saying "we should put the limit to 120km/h so it will prevent speed variations" assumes that people are responsible and will stick to that speed because they would be satisfied to drive faster.... what a joke ! In France the speed limit on highways is 130km/h and lots and lots of drivers are breaking this limit. And yes, speed kills.

[@Taureg]

+911gpd People drive the speed they feel comfortable, the fast is the 400 series highways were designed for 130 km/h speed limits. Look it up, it was lowered during the oil embargo in the 1970's and never re-evaluated. Look at todays cars vs 1970's

[@jebbush8491]

+Taureg very true and you can use social engineering to make people slow down. Tighter lanes and foilage closer to the road makes people slow down for example.

[@H2O2FA]

The driving speed always correlates to how safe people feel... so people will drive at a speed that they do not yet feel it is too fast, which appears to be at about 120 km/hr (the BC results prove this!)

[@manuhonkanen2111]

The faster you move the less time you spend in the dangerous road!

[@queenslandballistics2987]

Absolutely nuff said. 😋

[@aimxdy8680]

Yea In Indianapolis on I-465 speed limit is 55 mph (90 kmh) but everyone goes 70-80 mph (110-130 kmh).

[@callbrin573]

i think overall speed of traffic should be more important than the speed limit

[@janekgreen]

100km/h is weird, in Germany the regular speed pn the Autobahn is 120-130, but then you see a white circle with three lines across and you go as fast as you want, as long as it is safe. It is normal in here, but then again getting a driver's license has one of the highest standards in Germany. Oh and our inter-city trains are doing over 300km/h, so yeah.

[@michaelmaniatakos3970]

Most cars, especially newer models, are set to show a higher speed to what you are actually doing. That explain some (I stress some) of the variance in speed

[@MrMundo3d]

the same stories does here down the u.s some road say 55 mph, but since is out of town, 65 mph is where most vehicle goes, even the cop goes high speed

[@liamsteen7927]

Increase the 401 speed to 120kph and install speed cameras that go off at 130kph. These will catch the people I see all the time doing 130-140kph. Also the Tim Horton’s trucks that are limited to 95kph are a hazard.

[@theeviloneohyes]

no matter how much you rasie the speed limit some goon is gonna want to exceed the limits , there will always be speed varients there will always be someone that wants to push the boundaries

[@treynolds94]

Yes but less because less people feel comfortable going 130-140 then 100-120

[@annazhou4672]

as a new driver my parents would say slow down but then my instructor tells me to speed up!! what is going on, I feel the same way on the highway too!!

[@earthmike4584]

15 over everywhere except school zones and construction sites. 21 years and not one ticket. Wisconsin, USA.

[@byronchavarria4954]

I Did 130 km/h On Sunrise Highway Entering Hampton Bays NY And 120 km/hr Back To Glen Cove NY

[@CWAent]

120 kilometers = 75 miles in the usa some highways you can go 80 miles = to 130 kilometers

[@johnfijnvandraat]

try having high way speed limits from 70-90 and everyone exept a select few go 120+ and the select few who don't go the limit and end up in the hospital or dead

[@ShiningSakura]

in utah we had our freeway as 65 mph.... and no one went that slow except a few grandmas going 60 or slower. We got lots of accidents back then. Now it is 70 MPH and we have less accidents because almost everyone is going that speed except for trucks, hauling, and that random person going slow. (we live in deer country, so we need to be slower than usual, and yes, the police will get you every time if you are too much over that amount , like over 80mph. The police in utah LOVE giving tickets so speedsters beware, it's not like california here..)

[@michaelburke7978]

How about giving each lane its own speed limit?

[@SouthernBelleReviews]

That's a good idea

[@michaelmaniatakos3970]

You get more speed variance on higher or unlimited speed limits, not on lower limits. I’ve driven on unlimited speed limit roads, I’m driving 170, I come across someone who’s doing say 110, I need to quickly decide slow down or overtake, I check and start to overtake, next minute someone who’s doing 200+ is on my tail

[@mitchryan5468]

Might be a little hard to maintain this speed...has this lady never heard of cruise control

[@georgeg9891]

Maintain as is not go faster..

[@joshuameeks6114]

on the highways here in America people go over the posted speed limit everytime, they'll do like 80 or almost 90 miles an hour

[@keepitprivate3856]

it goes back to the design of the highway holes can create problem need slower turns also if a fairly straight path, then should be faster after all the safest is follow the traffic or keep yourself on the slow lane...

[@fredhubbard7210]

120km doesn't "feel safe." You get used to anything. a 150 years ago they weren't sure that going 40km was even possible. Going fast is not the problem, Mach 3 is safe, it is the acceleration that kills. There is simply more acceleration when you interface with a bridge abuttment when you are going 130km, than when you are going 90km.

[@jmcclelland85]

The Interstate Highway system in the USA most of roads on the east coast are 65 MPH -70 MPH (105-115 KPH) I fell that is a reasonable driving speed even though I still drive 5 MPH (8kph) over the Limit no matter what the speed is.

[@mrpopular1232]

thats my car! the camaro 2SS

[@tommy605]

The speed limit in Ontario is not about safety. It's about ticket revenue. Raise the speed limit, lower the $$ from tickets which would then increase the provincial tax because they would have to make up that lost revenue. The safety discussion is essentially trying to appeal to emotion.