Speed Overkill: How ISPs Sell You Bandwidth Instead of Performance (+ Bonus Free ISP Monitor Tool)

[@thomasimmanuel4989]

Very informative. I work for the ISP in my country, and I usually just use speed tests when attending to customers' complaints. I learned something new; now I know how to approach customers' speed-related issues. keep it up

[@Verycoolguy1337]

If u keep this up this channel will be one of the biggest networking/hacking channels in the future. Quality stuff mate!

[@plaintextpackets]

Thank you!

[@joefuckingtweten]

@@plaintextpackets I second this!

[@ijexx]

Agreed!

[@qeesher]

100%

[@whatwhat-777]

Man, why didn't I stumble upon this channel before. I am subscribed now.😊

[@juancampos352]

Certainly, your videos help me a lot because I'm studying networking but in my city there are not many ISP providers, there may be 2 or 3. Today, I have a 40 Mbps connection and cannot get the maximum download capacity when I try downloading a game such as GTA V, but at least I pay less money than the other ISP I had. With the first ISP I paid like 30 dollars, and they gave me 10 Mbps, now I pay 13-15 dollars for 40 Mbps.

[@plaintextpackets]

Great!

[@hesona9759]

Best computer networking channel, keep it up 💯

[@plaintextpackets]

Thanks, will do!

[@feiwoza]

Great video again -- please do let us know when you have the tutorial for installing probe on docker

[@truckerallikatuk]

I have way more down bandwidth than I need, and yet I still bought an upgrade... for more upload. Perils of having a lot of data that needs an offsite backup.

[@plaintextpackets]

I wish they would let you choose download and upload independently 🫤

[@KyleWood1985]

Seems like most of this would apply to a managed circuit that guarantees speed (COR) and includes a SAL. For home internet, don't most contracts state best effort?

[@plaintextpackets]

I believe they do but you should still be able to tell which ones have the best performance, if you were thinking of switching or trying others in parallel

[@KavorkaDesigns]

I have a bridged router behind the isp modem, i've tried their dns, Google, CF, etc, at random times, dns errors, timeouts, any idea. I have new modem, i tried bridge and not, same affect, even with different modems, same errors, the cables are fine/tested and swapped, there seems to be no reason for the issues, I've done hard resets ip changes etc. any advice?

[@plaintextpackets]

Have you contacted the ISP? If they've swapped everything at your house sounds like it would either be outdoor cabling issues or perhaps something farther upstream at the ISP

[@KavorkaDesigns]

@@plaintextpackets I assumed the same after many weeks/months of drop outs and test. Last week I relocated the modem closer to the incoming coax source and the issue is apparently solved! :) I tried a signal booster but that didn't help, the cable its self must have internal damage. Thanks for your confirmed, it motivated me to move the modem, I wanted it inhouse, but we have to do what's needed sometimes, at-least til I have it fixed properly

[@chrisbarnard5741]

Is there a windows version of Netprobe? I don't know anything about Dockers

[@plaintextpackets]

Full tutorial coming soon

[@thevivariumforhalfmeasures7698]

Latency is also a function of the number of hops and fibre optic cable issues.

[@MrT0mer]

Love your content!!!

[@iko359]

Thanks, wonderful video and job!

[@EngrDJDebug]

will iperf do the same thing as Netprobe

[@plaintextpackets]

Iperf can pull similar stats but not sure you can run it 24x7, and it does not have a database to store the metrics natively

[@TeslaMaxwell]

Great content and great tool sir!

[@plaintextpackets]

Thanks!

[@AmCanTech]

Cool, love the tool!

[@goddavid8819]

Is there any solution to this?

[@plaintextpackets]

First step is to detect it’s happening. Then start with your existing ISP to complain about the connection. If that doesn’t go anywhere try another ISP

[@goddavid8819]

@@plaintextpackets Thanks a ton sir/madam.

[@derickasamani5730]

If you need guarantees, ask for a business or leased line

[@plaintextpackets]

Great point

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

and pay through the nose accordingly

[@W1LDGAMING.]

How to run GitHub repo without docker

[@plaintextpackets]

Unfortunately I don’t have a version that works without docker. But I would highly recommend installing it, it’s super easy

[@W1LDGAMING.]

@@plaintextpacketsmy processor do not have a hyper visor can’t run docker

[@notaras1985]

So how do we monitor the long-term effectiveness of our ISP?

[@scotmaciver]

You sir, are me. If I made a KZbin video. I've been arguing the bandwidth/speed deal but hard with all the 'experts'. 20 year sr network engineer and I have 50mbps. Would have 25 but Xfinity upped all their bottom feeders to 50. I can run production with web services, data pulls, tunnels, etc...over 3k servers on the backend serving up, all on 500mb but ole lady Betty Lou next door needs 1gig? Gonna carry this video around with me. Just need the first 30 seconds

[@plaintextpackets]

High praise! Thank you so much. I should turn the first 30s into a short

[@TSPhotoAtlanta]

@@plaintextpackets if you do, put an +enticing+ overlay on the last 10 or 15 seconds to hype the full length feature. Nice discussion, BTW. Consider we have Gigabit fiber. It only goes down if our router goes down. We had a cable internet vendor, C****st - the big one, whose service delivered ~ 40 to 100Mb/s, once peaked @ 150. Cable cost more than Gigabit fiber. It shows peak delivery of 950Mb/s. Packet loss is typically approaching->0. We never saturate the service, usually not close. OTOH, it is so snappy! It comes w/ HBO-Max Premium. Subtract the cost of that and the price == 500Mb/s fiber service, so that we could saturate, but it’s a seeming deal. The cable-provider’s service was frequently affected by wind and especially by rain! We could lose any service for 3 to 5 days if it rained hard! Throw in an ice-storm (Atlanta area, SE United States where ice is unusual) and you’re stuch @Home (hey, the name of their service!) for up to a week with no internet, tv, or VOIP! There’s ya some packetloss, 100%. Holidays, esp. Thanksgiving in the states, we tend to see the most load balancing - I can’t quite say it’s wrong given the sudden volume of use, and that C****st would simply go down - stop providing any usable signal for internet or TV for most of the day! I suppose they balanced their over-provisioned load by serving priority customers (*higher end packages & businesses) with their available bandwidth while us suckers were left to jam the (holiday, remember) understaffed support lines: “have you tried rebooting the router?” and “try control + alt +delete” and best of all, “would you uninstall Netscape and try Explorer?”…”we can have a network engineer out to your address next week, but if they don’t find a fault with our equipment we’ll have to bill you at the service rate.” So, there are more than simply 3 technical factors to determine the quality of your internet service; yes, bandwidth, latency & packet loss, but also continuity of service, cost/month of the package, service responsiveness (*which ideally you’ll never need to find out!), even the wuality of the equipment provided can be an influence on the decision. Also consider downstream AND upstream bandwidt provision: fiber Gigabit is symmetrical-750+ down AND 750+ up. It’s basically ok to run a non-commercial server!

[@harryjohnson615]

Speec vs bandwidth, here's how I expain it to customers. I sell you a lorry that does 60Mph and carries a million bricks and you're very happy until you find out I sold your neighbour a lorry that does 60Mph but carries 100 million bricks for the same price. Which lorry is faster? They both do the same speed so it must be a capacity difference. It's a very subtle but distinct difference.

[@plaintextpackets]

Good explanation

[@brob10]

U r the best brother

[@A-Litte-Catnoreplay]

Nice Video

[@kevvyg04]

Quality not quantity….. its all we want 😀

[@lazerusmfh]

I have 4 gigabit up/down my local isp is great

[@niksatan]

not to self - been there when channel was small

[@plaintextpackets]

Dope

[@UserHandle0702]

Great Content !!

[@carsonjamesiv2512]

GOOD INTEL!🎉😃👍

[@plaintextpackets]

Thanks! 👍

[@purrrfectnarrative5201]

Good video codel or cake

[@plaintextpackets]

Both?

[@purrrfectnarrative5201]

Sure 2 routers inline.😸No I just tinker and have become obsessed lowering latency etc . Your videos are DOPE thank you

[@TSPhotoAtlanta]

“datacentre | lan | metro | regional | internet* | oceanic | satellite | interplanetary ] [ besteffort | squash” - I have a maxim: no matter how esoteric or exotic the topic, there’s at least one corner of the internet where it’s being discussed .already. at an advanced level and there are at least two experts on the topic with at least one diametrically opposite viewpoint on at least one facet of the topic [see corollaries] 1) there’s a ‘guide-model’ something, a very special, unimaginably \best/ piece of software, a router, canoe, sunglasses, single turbine, pico rasberry hat, silk scarf - you can’t compete with it, but you want it! 2) the ‘guide model’ will soon be replaced by a much better one 3) the correct answer is usually:

[@purrrfectnarrative5201]

@@TSPhotoAtlanta Send me some of your dope I already have a BIBLE

[@virtualizeeverything]

this is grate

[@magneticshrimp7429]

"fun" fact. In the western world where wholesale bandwidth is cheap, on modern well managed ISP networks, averaging over X customers, delivering 50Mbps/customer costs about the same as delivering 1000Mbps/customer. Bandwidth is a very small part of operational costs for a ISP. So the upsells are almost pure extra profit. And once the base speeds are high enough people dont upgrade that often and now you (as an ISP) are probably spending more on managing different plans (backend systems/sales/support) than you make back on customers ugprading. So I guess just run everyone at link speed and call it a day!

[@Necktwister666]

in germany you get like 1gbit down with 50mbit up I need to buy more downspeed to get more upspeed but they dont sell more then the package I already have. latency is about 11ms and packetloss is basicly 0

[@SalivatingSteve]

That sounds typical of cable internet to have a max upload speed of around 50mbit. You’d need to switch to an ISP with fully symmetric fiber optic (like FiOS here in the USA) to get better upload speeds.

[@Necktwister666]

@@SalivatingSteve Imagine having fiber in germany. I have a choice between 100mbit over phonelines and 1gbit over cable

[@xVertigo101]

Fidium Fiber offers a max of 2Gbps, with my Ubiquiti equipment I get 2.5Gbps :o 500Mbps more than advertised it's crazy! Although Fidium is fast it all depends on the hops aka servers your connection needs to travel to, and from which can drastically reduce your internet speeds. thus, it's important to download anything from your closest server to you. My best speeds are from Boston I get around 1.5Gbps on game downloads sometimes it peaks to 2.2Gbps The west coast say California speeds sit around 600-800Mbps and ping is drastically increased due to the amount of hops and whether or not a hop in the region is slow. Sometimes the most optimal route is not the fastest either.

[@OMNZero]

it nay es in Thee Band it es in The Baud Bandwidth BaudRate 🤔

[@vng-alien]

me here casually saturating my 3gb link 💪💪💪

[@drjankenstein]

ok, but if you're going to use AI generated art, spend 5 minutes in photoshop to fix up the obvious gibberish words. "bandband, latency and loss" circa 0:45 seconds is not a great first look - if people dont get its AI they think you didnt proofread.....

[@lazzalicious6220]

Not me being first