Speedball Rebooted - This Week In Retro 194

[@pin00ch]

50 year old git retro supernerd here. Cheers boys. This was like chilling with mates...much appreciated.

[@scotchnichols]

Duncan, excellent flourishes as usual. :D

[@darrenball4620]

Just spoke to a friend of mine who works at Rebellion, he's only played the new speedball once, and says it's not quite as quick as the old one, but they're tweaking it, the controls take some getting used to as well. I've told him to beat the devs with a stick till it's as good as the original.

[@burnrubber7547]

There was actually many differences between the ST and Amiga version of Speedball 2. I have played both versions. The Amiga version as mentioned had a lot more sounds effects and better quality. But also the game played smoother, had more animation. There was more detail on the pitch, more colours and patterns basicallly. For example the big painted star on the pitch is completely missing on the ST version. The lack of visual ques makes it difficult to know where you are on the pitch sometimes. It was also full screen where as the ST version was 3/4 screen. The frame rate was better on the Amiga. A great game on both machines but the Amiga version is better. It just is.

[@Bantam80]

I laughed at the What We Do in the Shadows reference. 😆 "BAAATTT!"

[@namcos]

Find Amiga Format CD 13, the second CD in that issue has a trove of demos AND code for making demos!

[@HappyCodingZX]

I like the text adventure library idea, but perhaps you could use the barcode scanner system instead as you do in the shop. That way you could have a shelf of 'books', each with a barcode, and then the player could choose a book, scan the code, and then play it in the old fashioned way with a keyboard and old style monitor.

[@eugenekiselev]

As always, great episode, gentlemen! The best show ever to watch on Saturday while enjoying a morning cup-o-coffee (three of them actually) and I loved it when Duncan created a-la text adventure screen with Dave on it and then with Neil :) could make it to a great text adventure game about Dave House mysteries and TWIR masters ... actually I'm gonna try to play a text adventure game with ChapGPT: I recon if i manage to explain him (her?) the rules then he (she ?) might actually create a game for me and play a narrator role in it ... maybe ...

[@Maraka77i]

Thanks for correcting ST game history Dave. Mobygames for example has tons of games presented as Amiga originals even if they were not. Hopefully there's going to be some effort from site admins to correct 16bit gaming history.

[@GotMoreCakes]

Really nice collection of Freescape games on the shelf

[@roskelld]

An entire museum dedicated to Roo Shoes hosted by Shane.

[@thomasrotweiler]

Text adventures. Spent many hours playing them back in the day. If you have them in the cave, you'll need space for people to draw the maps. Could let people carry on from other people's attempts at solving the game. FWIW there are quite a few text adventures for the Sinclair QL (emulators are available.) which are unique to the platform, some public domain.

[@PersistenceOfVisionAtari]

Dave, don''t forget those awesome demo compilations for the Atari ST from Persistence Of Vision (POV) and Ripped Off.

[@colinr0380]

I feel called out - but somehow validated - by that opening!

[@Lordborak316]

Neil's Alan sugar impression sounds exactly like Duncan, core blimey guv na!

[@strzxgvnuvwvfld3597]

Take a look at the C64 demoscene, it’s still very healthy to this day with everything running on stock machines

[@delboy3k1]

A brilliant documentary for text adventures is.....get lamp......well worth a lot. Infocom seem to get a lot of airplay, i feel but I loved the old games like scot Adams the Count or the Hulk, etc. It was my era, but I feel the early stuff doesn't get a mention. Excelsior, though.

[@TheStevenWhiting]

Always remember seeing the image of Speedball on an issue of Sega Power but never played it. Looking back at it, I think I would of liked it.

[@RetroSegaDev]

48:35 it sounds like you're describing an evolution of the Cefucom-21 covered on Rees's channel but for text adventures not learning languages :D

[@AdamChristensen]

52:50 I guess you could call them an Alan Sugar substitute. 😂

[@johnhealy3671]

E-ink kindle style tablets would be perfect for text adventures.

[@RalfPinkaire-f7w]

What a game speedball was. ❤.

[@GenerationPixel]

I finally downloaded and installed ExoDOS, I sense a huge tme sink looming beneath me 😂

[@adroharv5140]

The Amiga music for Speedball 1 is just different to the ST version and still very good. These things tend to be defined by what you get used to or witness first

[@TheRogueMonk]

I love the intro music 2 the game

[@Octamed]

Speedball 2's still got it. My favorite 2 player game of all time. I ran a competition at this years Pax Australia in the Classic Gaming area. It was intense. Here's the final! kzbin.info/www/bejne/qF6Xl6mgn9t7o9E

[@TheRestartPoint]

Those Noctua fans are great, you can put them in the Dreamcast too for better heat loss and less noise

[@ScottLeeOfficialWebsite]

Greets to my "leet friends" across the pond! Neil, did you see the demo yer in? All the best chaps, see you next round..👍 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXiadHSmYtmji5o

[@ps8437]

icecream .... icecream.... if my parents would have planed a other child back then, i would have opted for a Bitmapbrother 🎉

[@PigDogBay]

WAIT Dave sings about the Atari ST

[@PigDogBay]

Neil takes your map

[@necronom]

I've always much preferred Speedball to the sequel. They added all those daft things round the edge which meant you just ended up going for the stars or undoing the loop when the other person got it. Scoring goals became a more minor objective, which ruined it for me. I was shocked to hear Dave say he doesn't like the Amiga title tune on the Amiga! It's one of my favourite Amiga tunes. I tried the ST one and it's okay, but nowhere near as good as the Amiga one. I guess it's just what you are used to. When you grow up with a song on the radio that version if the one you like the best, even if it's a cover version.

[@darrenball4620]

I just had to compare the two tunes - the Amiga wins for me too :)

[@jmcdowall]

“u r the king of lamerz” - actual LOL :D

[@duelmonitor]

Big fan of text adventures!

[@disasterincarnate]

the best "newer" Speedball game was basically the old DeathBall mod for UT99/UT2003, that was pretty much 3d SpeedBall 2.

[@nickwallette6201]

Never played Speedball or used that mod, but it absolutely reminded me of UT2k3.

[@disasterincarnate]

@@nickwallette6201 1990 - Speedball 2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKrCon-GhMx8iJo - MOD for UT99/UT2003/UT2004, DoomII and way more - Deathball: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sITQamqPir-aias

[@hisham_hm]

Xenon 2 was great!

[@Lbf5677]

The content is funneling through Neil quite nicely

[@colinr0380]

"Set it to maximum spice flow!"

[@philjohn2649]

I wonder if LLM’s have been mucked around with for Text Adventures, interacting with NPC’s etc would be interesting

[@dentonkent3563]

Rebellion is a solid dev but don't always get things right. They made a sequel to Evil Genius recently and it didn't quite hit the mark apart from bringing back James Hannigan's music. Even the art style was too cartoony. I'd like to see Alien Vs Predator remade though.

[@nickwallette6201]

Mega Nigel? Surely you mean GeNigel.

[@johnnyretro1975]

NEIL AND DAVE IS ALEX OK HES NOT DONE ANY VIDEOS FOR LONG TIME JUST WORRIED HOPE HES WELL I MISS HIS VIDEOS CHEERS LADS GREAT STUFF

[@ThisWeekinRetro]

Alex is great, he is putting some videos up on "Als Arcade" channel and will appear in some future videos on AA. He took a break for a while and stepped back from running the business side of things to recharge.

[@johnnyretro1975]

That's great ya sure it's a lot of pressure setting up a big project like that thanks for your reply really respect that alex is top man just like all you guys love you all keep up your great work in keeping retro alive ❤

[@johnd6487]

It does seem a shame that the major players in the e-ink book industry haven't released a device capable of reading IF books - I mean, i get why.. there isn't enough IF on the publisher side to make it something they can monetise, but it would be a fantastic feature, especially in getting kids reading, given Kobo has now brought in colour, and i have half heard Amazon is now biting their heels.

[@T8staDiM3rda]

Go Catio open window throw treat out window south south say man "Cat's escaped" Take Games Drop Ultima exit room Chortle

[@Kris_A]

I'll be honest having reviewed the speedball trailer... They've just not got it right. What it needs to be is ultra cyberpunk, hard shiney metal, not plastic. The music needs to be hard, it needs atmosphere, and the courts to be dirty, steamy, poorly lit, grimey. The players all need to be scarred, have implants that reflect past injuries. It needs a back story and a backdrop of corporate nastiness, like Rollerball. More than that, it needs to feel fast and brutal. It's way way too tame in this and all versions I've seen that haven't got me to buy since Speedball 2. I can't say this enough, but the aim should be to remake Speedball 2, and make it bigger. More leagues, more players to transfer, open ended (within reason), and it can still be 2D, it doesn't need to be 3D. I'd also make sure to keep the palette as much as possible. Metal and orange, and the teams having hints of colour, but mainly metal. Whatever the Rebellion version is, it isn't it... and that makes me sad. It needs to be a dystopia quite frankly, not some kind of pretend hard cartoon. Hopefully i've made my point. :) Speedball 2 is one of the few retro games I return to and play regularly because it's a great game, after all these years, and not for a retro trip.

[@Geordie-Jedi-77]

@ThisWeekinRetro @Dave You're a massive Atari fan You claim to have an Amiga (an A1200 ?), and are in the process of upgrading it The rumour is that you don't actually own any Amiga's, at all. Show us your Amiga Dave Howay, don't be a Lamer Show us, ya Amiga We need to see you using your Amiga Dave..... ;)

[@Maraka77i]

Hundreds of big Atari fans owns Amiga and other systems also, and vice versa. Nothing unusual in that.

[@Geordie-Jedi-77]

@@Maraka77i Oh I'm fully aware of that mate. There's a bunch of Retro fans that love more than just one system or OS. Everyone can (and should ) enjoy whatever systems they want to. My comment was just having a bit of fun with Dave.

[@ScrapKing73]

You're not saying "PCBWay" correctly! ;-)

[@duncanself5111]

👊 Brutal Deluxe ❤

[@808v1]

what about Nostalgia Nerd's barcade? I thought I remembered him starting one a few years ago?

[@bigd5090]

The Atari ST could be erased from the history of Speedball 2 in my opinion. I held out to get it on the Amiga CD32 to avoid disappointment over poor sound!

[@Jimbaloidatron]

Woz Whatnots? :-)

[@kimshaky]

suppriced no one mentioned sid meyer as potentional museum

[@bazodee2]

Where can i download Dave Quest? 44:00

[@markalmond]

anyone fancy ice cream?

[@kenknight5983]

Will episode 200 reveal The Shane?

[@JimmyCall]

The video pic is a bit risque.

[@Lordborak316]

Duncan knows exactly what he's doing. 🍦😅

[@gamesbloke]

I noted the Speedball update thing on Steam. Hey its great they are making a new Speedball game I thought. And then I scrolled down the Steam page a bit... DENUVO! And then I went and did something else. A little sigh... And Speedball is dead again... I encourage Speedball fans to do the same thing I did.